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PaChukwudi44:
Jesus was not created.He was begotten.He is of the same substance as the father

Emusan:
That's why I said you people are robot only program to act the way the governing body wants.

My points on this thread so far was never ABOUT why JWs are using the name JEHOVAH, do we need to use this name or the TRANSLATION of the Hebrew name.

My points was raised from the OP itself. Now I'll quote the portion of the OP and insert my comment in red, maybe this time you people can receive sense.



I believe this explanation is enough for a Primary 4 pupils to understand unless their teacher is from Kaduna.

Hairyrapunzel:
You have seen the name of the article. It is watchtower's article. Go and look for it. I am waiting for you to say the article doesn't exist that it is fake.

You can Check your jw online library as the whole article is there.
When stating a reference in a research work the journal publishing your work never asks for the full article. Use your brain. I referenced your work to state my opinion.

The bottom line is your leaders have acknowledged that no ancient Greek scriptures ever contained the word Jehovah in them. No matter how you want to hide it by telling me to quote the whole article it won't work. Just read 'the divine name that will endure forever'.

I repeat no ancient Greek manuscript that we possess today of the books of Matthew to Revelation contains God's name in full
Your leaders are even aware.

Hairyrapunzel:
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Lol. You say the Bible is perfect yet the most important name disappeared and its only 2000 years later your God gave the sign and asked you people to put the name 237 times in the new testament in your bible.

You see how you reason? Anybody that disagrees with your governing body members interpretation is an apostate. Interesting. I keep learning new things about your religion

You put something never seen in the new testament before. Your whole religion is apostate. They go against the true manuscript only to insert something new. All these based on an assumption that the scribes removed Jehovah from their writeup. In other words, based on hear say you make all your authoritarian doctrines and followers must strictly abide by them.

You people are not even sure about what you believe.
BTW I love your so called apostate sites. They are very informative and have given me an insight to what your religion really is about.

You ain't supposed to be looking at those apostate sites. That means you're watching pornography therefore you will be slaughtered by your Jehovah in Armageddon alongside all non jws. You are committing a disfellowshiping offence.

I no you will hold on to your delusions because your leaders have told you this is your fake life and your real life is the imaginary utopian paradise in your head AKA north korea in the new system. [/s]

lovingJehovah:
Oh cool, thanks for that information, bro. He seems like an apostate.

Emusan

So I used all the names of God; be Jehovah

Hairyrapunzel
The position of God's name is unshakeable in the Hebrew Scriptures... With the Christian Greek Scriptures, the "New Testament", the situation is different... no ancient Greek manuscript that we possess today of the books of Matthew to Revelation contains God's name in full." The Divine Name that will Endure Forever p.23


This paragraph shows you people agree that the new testament does not contain God's name in full

lovingJehovah:
Jehovah is the true God of the Bible, the Creator of all things. (Revelation 4:11) The prophets Abraham and Moses worshipped him, as did Jesus. (Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17) He is the God, not just of one people, but of “all the earth.”—Psalm 47:2.

Jehovah is God’s unique name as revealed in the Bible. (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 83:18) It comes from a Hebrew verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars suggest that the name means “He Causes to Become.” This definition well fits Jehovah’s role as the Creator and the Fulfiller of his purpose. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) The Bible also helps us to know the Person behind the name Jehovah, especially his dominant quality of love.—Exodus 34:5-7; Luke 6:35; 1 John 4:8.

The name Jehovah is an English translation of the Hebrew name for God—the four letters יהוה (YHWH), known as the Tetragrammaton. The exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. However, the form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530. *

Why is the pronunciation of God’s name in ancient Hebrew unknown?

Ancient Hebrew was written without vowels, using only consonants. The Hebrew-speaking reader could easily provide the appropriate vowels. However, after the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost. *

Some feel that the divine name was pronounced “Yahweh,” while others suggest different possibilities. A Dead Sea Scroll containing a portion of Leviticus in Greek transliterates the name Iao. Early Greek writers also suggest the pronunciations Iae, I·a·beʹ, and I·a·ou·eʹ, but none of these can be proved to be the pronunciation used in ancient Hebrew. *

Misconceptions about God’s name in the Bible

Misconception: Translations that use “Jehovah” have added this name.

Fact: The Hebrew word for God’s name in the form of the Tetragrammaton appears some 7,000 times in the Bible. * Most translations arbitrarily remove God’s name and replace it with a title such as “Lord.”

Misconception: Almighty God does not need a unique name.

Fact: God himself inspired Bible writers to use his name thousands of times, and he directs those who worship him to use his name. (Isaiah 42:8; Joel 2:32; Malachi 3:16; Romans 10:13) In fact, God condemned false prophets who tried to make people forget his name.—Jeremiah 23:27.

Misconception: Following the tradition of the Jews, God’s name should be removed from the Bible.

Fact: It is true that some Jewish scribes refused to pronounce the divine name. However, they did not remove it from their copies of the Bible. In any case, God does not want us to follow human traditions that deviate from his commandments.—Matthew 15:1-3.

Misconception: The divine name should not be used in the Bible because it is not known exactly how to pronounce it in Hebrew.

Fact: This line of reasoning assumes that God expects people who speak different languages to pronounce his name identically. However, the Bible indicates that God’s worshippers in the past who spoke different languages pronounced proper names differently.

Consider, for example, the Israelite judge Joshua. First-century Christians who spoke Hebrew would have pronounced his name Yehoh·shuʹaʽ, while those who spoke Greek would have said I·e·sousʹ. The Bible records the Greek translation of Joshua’s Hebrew name, showing that Christians followed the sensible course of using the form of proper names common in their language.—Acts 7:45; Hebrews 4:8.

The same principle can be applied to translating the divine name. Far more important than the exact pronunciation chosen is that God’s name be given its rightful place in the Bible.

otemanuduno:
The rich man in Jesus story was in a flame of fire, according to your jesus. Does it mean that passage of the bible didn't happen? If it didn't, then this means that your jesus is a liar for saying that it did? Go and read about the rich man and Lazarus in your evil book and come back here to tell me that Jesus(the fictional character) didn't prrach about the everlasting fire of hell.
According to your storybook(bible) the rich man was not destroyed eternally but he suffered eternal torment in the flame of fire. Is that passage a lie?

Hairyrapunzel:
Your reasoning is the daft one here.

You say it's only the righteous that will live forever on earth

but your governing body members that say they are going to heaven

and the 144000 are not among the righteous since they will not live forever on earth

JusticeSeeker:
which one is destruction by fire? as a JW or anyone who denies Christ or His teachings, you shall eternally burn in the lake of fire. that's the scriptures and Jesus' saying

raphieMontella:
Grasping at straws.

That means when Yahweh said in Isaiah something 7 women shall take hold of one man, he means we should marry 7 women.

Deicide:
Yahweh have multiple personality disorder

Deicide:
Jesus drank booze

and was also patronizing prostitute why shouldn't you? or are you guys, not Christians "Christ-like"

raphieMontella:
If two can become one flesh.. ..
Give me a comprehensive reason why 3 can also not become one flesh.
Give scriptural reference condemning polygamy for floor members of the church.

CatfishBilly:
Wet dreams are normal biological and physiologic happenings. It has nothing to do with the supernatural or demons or whatever.
If you don't know, ask questions instead of just assuming.
This issue has been treated a zillion times here.

iamdrfresh:
isn't that all from what He told us? What if He controls our choice?
How can you be certain?

iamdrfresh:
I understand where you're coming from but my point is everything is predetermined...He, being d alpha and d omega, already knew that guy would not use his 1talent but decided to give him still. Right from d womb, he ordained Jeremiah a prophet.. He wasn't left with much of a choice tho.
Whether I'd fulfill my assignment or not, he already knows.

Gshegg:
Okay, Continue..

Hairyrapunzel:
I would reply you from the bottom of your post.


Please give me a passage that Jesus or jehovah said his followers should not become soldiers or join military I am still waiting.

theologian there are millions with varying views you are allowed to think and say what you like.

Everybodys desire is for peace to reign but some people dont like peace. Nobody supports going to war for no reason. If there is a threat to or if people want to destroy your country and citizens you havery a right to protect your country and it's citizen.
I pray for the Nigerian military out there in war zones protecting the country from invaders may they win and may the war end.

The earliest followers of Jesus may have rejected war and military service but the bible tells us in acts 10 about cornelius who was in the roman army he was baptized and so was his household but Peter didn't condemn his occupation or ask him to leave the army. In Matt 8:5-13 Jesus healed a centurion servant. The centurion had faith in Jesus. Jesus never condemned his occupation or never asked him to leave his occupation. In The new testament no verse condemns being in the military.

Isaiah 2:4 He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

It is a prophecy. And it doesn't still say God condemned soldiers or people for joining the military. God will settle the disputes among nations. For now the dispute isn't settled by God yet.

Still Jesus never said being a soldier or joining the military is a crime and if you join you will not make eternal life. Not all soldiers in the military carry weapons there is there are different occupations in the military.

ChristianFreedo:
@bolded, a typical Jw response when backed to a corner. Have seen many of your type before.

That was how one elder pop his eyes and and grind his teeth at me when I told him of 1975 . He basically called me a liar. When I should he documented proof, he went from 'the society didn't published those', to 'even if they did, let them, I still believe them'.

When I thought of it, I came to understand why. How can he accept the organisation prophecies falsely about 1975? Even the source of the message about 1975, the organisation, denied their own message.

So, you can tell me to shut up or shut down. Its nothing new.

One elder told me that if someone has God Holy spirit, he will arrived at the same conclusion as the organisation in doctrine, and I asked him, if you don't have the spirit, you wouldn't. He chuckle, tried to beat about the bush.

I asked him. Since they had the Holy spirit and arrived at those conclusion, why has the conclusion change over the last 20years? My guess was, he knew his response didn't have any sense at all. He was just busy rephrasing his indoctrination, with absolutely no biblical understanding.

At the end, he used style and left.

achorladey:
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.............................
ONE morning, High Priest Aaron stood at the entrance of Jehovah’s tabernacle, holding an incense-burning fire holder. Nearby, Korah along with 250 men were also offering incense to Jehovah, each one with his own fire holder. ( Num. 16:16-18 ) At first glance, all the men seemed to be LOYAL worshippers of Jehovah. Unlike Aaron, however, the others were arrogant renegades attempting to usurp the priesthood. ( Num. 16:1-11 ) They had deluded themselves into thinking that God would accept their worship. But such an expectation was insulting to Jehovah, who can read hearts and could see their HYPOCRISY.— Jer. 17:10 .
Appropriately, the day before, Moses had predicted: “In the morning Jehovah will make known who belongs to him.” (Num. 16:5 ) Sure enough, Jehovah differentiated between genuine worshippers and counterfeit ones when “a fire came out from Jehovah and consumed [Korah and] the 250 men offering the incense.” ( Num. 16:35; 26:10 ) At the same time, Jehovah spared the life of Aaron, signaling approval of the real
priest and genuine worshipper of God.— Read 1 Corinthians 8:3 .
A similar situation arose some 1,500 years later in the apostle Paul’s day. Certain professed Christians adopted false teachings; yet, they continued to associate with the congregation. To the casual observer, these APOSTATES might not have been different from others in the congregation. But their APOSTASY presented a danger to faithful Christians. These wolves in sheep’s clothing began “subverting the faith of some.” ( 2 Tim. 2:16-18 ) Jehovah is no casual observer, however, and Paul would have known this from the way God handled the situation with the rebels—Korah and his supporters—centuries earlier.

Hairyrapunzel:
A christian can be a soldier and a soldier can be a christian the bible never condemned any christian soldier or being in the army.

ChristianFreedo:
Thank you for your response

In order words, they didn't condemn it. They instead tried to placate Hitler by condemning the same people he was killing in order to look good. The league of nations that condemned the atrocities committed by Hitler, was condemn before Hitler as well in order to appear Pro Germany in a number of ways.

My brother, stop defending the indefensible. There is a reason Watchtower refuses to discuss the letter to Hitler and the declaration of fact. They compromised, and the world that saw those documents knows it.


The bloodshed in the hands of watchtower and it's leader is massing up to the heavens. Someday, God will call them to account.

And meanwhile, save your strength. Because you will need it to defend the actions of watchtower in Malawi and Mexico.

Hairyrapunzel:
Where in the bible did God say people should never participate in any kind of war that they should die instead? You people say God's wOrd whereas that statement may not be in the bible

olaolaking:
I have asked him this same question countless times. He claimed to be a Christian but cannot face the challenges of being one. I don't have any issu with his reasoning, we cannot all think the same way or accept the same thing. But if you are looking for a 2-face Christian, he stands tall.

Funny thing is that he still sees that as acceptable by God. Giving excuses why you still do some wrongs as a Christian?

He never saw this as exactly the same things every sinner does.

Tell me who does not have an excuse to give when you are default.

But then, my question is, who takes this kind person serious?

Hairyrapunzel:
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Dont cherry pick Rutherford and his cohorts were in support of German Nazi regime they where friends of German government at that time and they supported German governments anti semitic policies in hating jews.

The matter on ground is they supported hitlers policies and which was all about hating the jews. There is no excuse don't quote Romans 13: 1-4 they did not even quote the verse in their letter to Hitler. And that verse never said we should support a government will kill millions of people because they are of a certain race they didn't like.


They never even condemned the killing of jews even when other religions condemned Hitler on that. Your people even supported him. You people like to support bad people.

Jws Always try to cover up their wrong doings.

From the whole story Sef Rutherford was a narcissistic he goat, a delusional bastard and a schizophrenic idiot also a murderer he actually was the cause of the death of 2500 jws who were killed at that time.
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ChristianFreedo:
Let's keep this very simple.

Can you show us in print, the Watchtower condemnation of Hitler's action towards the Jews?

Hairyrapunzel:
So they are not the enemies of Germany

and they were not financed by the jews. .

Ubenedictus:
HERE RUTHERFORD CONDEM THE LEAGUE OF NATION. Let us remind the government and the people of Germany, that it was the League of Nations compact that laid upon the shoulders of the German people the great unjust and
unbearable burdens. That the League of
Nations compact was not brought forth by the friends of Germany.

Ubenedictus:
The letter I am seeing not only says that jw and the nazi share common ideals, it also condemns the jews, it didnt try to help them as they were been persecuted but to futher condemn them, the it goes on to condemn the league of nations that stood against the nazi atrocities.

Abeg, that has nothing to do with fraud, that is clear support for hitler and condemnation for d anti nazi.