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Emusan:
Psalm 37 that he will inherit earth forever.

Emusan:
Just imagine, when you don't know what to say and lack scriptural understanding.

Jehovah is the shepherd of Israel so if Jesus is NOW THE GOOD SHEPHERD and only GOD is GOOD, that makes Jesus to be what? Mr. JWs



I agree because that's makes Jesus God by calling Himself GOOD SHEPHERD.



But He deservers both the words GOOD and SHEPHERD that only belongs to His Father.

Tell me another one.

Emusan:
This is what it means when you're using Psalm 37:9-11 alone, now you see that this verse doesn't favour your argument because the RITGHTEOUS here means ANYBODY WHO EVER PASS THROUGH THE EARTH AND RIGHTEOUS. So if some particular people will live in heaven it means those people are not righteous because Psalm 37 says "THE RIGHTEOUS"




No it's you who should show us where it's written in the scripture that some people's righteousness will make them live forever on earth and some people's righteousness will make them live in heaven.

Emusan:
Ohhh....so how many types of righteousness do we have in the scripture, if some people's righteousness will make them live in heaven and some inherited the earth Because the verse didn't discriminate!

By the way you haven't address this point, the verse said LIVE and NOT RESSURECTED.

You've started transferring your aggression. Chil eeh it's not yet time!

solite3:
stop trying to dogde
Answer my question.

solite3:
I laugh @ your ignorance, for the fact Jesus refers to himself as good shepherd has destroyed your assumption.

When Jesus said call no man good, does that include himself?

solutionsnow:
You have been preaching rubbish since the days of Charles Taze.

The way you got eyes and don't read the bible 2 Cor 3 15-17, same way you didn't read point 10 of the main thread. You failed to see where Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away. You failed to read where the bible says the earth will be burnt, all in the new testament. You keep quoting the old testament, you ought to be sacrificing animals as well as is done in the old testament. 2 Pet 3:7-12, Matthew 24:35.

You have a dead hope.

Emusan:
But the prophecy said IT'S THE RIGHTEOUS that will live forever on earth that means those who will be in heaven including Jesus (because to you He's just human like you) are not RIGHTEOUS.

Stop this childish attitude of striking post, if something is beyond your comprehension just leave it and move on people understand.

Emusan:
No!

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It means you can't just use one verse to draw a conclusion on various issue.

It now clear to you that JWs only focus on LIVE FOREVER why neglecting the main requirement.

And I believe you know the wide different from LIVE and RESSURECTED. [/s]

Emusan:
Just imagine, saying someone is asking foolish question whereas yours are plenty.



Another deluded quote since Jesus statement is True then Jesus is God because Jesus is a GOOD shepherd.

Emusan:
But writer of this Psalm is death for very long time.

But the verse said LIVE not resurrected.

The key point here is RIGHTEOUS, which begs for the question; who is righteous and how can someone become RIGHTEOUS?

That also means those 144,000 that will live in heaven are not righteous that's why they won't live on earth.

solite3:
Jozzy help your brother canticles to answer my questions he is having troubles with it. Here they are,
Is Jesus God?
is a true God or a false God?

solite3:
yes!

Emusan:
As you're bored so go to bed first I'll join you.

Emusan:
As you're bored so go to bed first I'll join you.

Emusan:
As you're bored so go to bed first I'll join you.

Emusan:
You abandon my question and now demanding for answer by force Hypocrite!

DoctorAlien:
In Isa. 45:5 and Isa. 44:8, GOD says that apart from Himself, He knows no other GOD.

How then did GOD call Jesus Christ GOD in Heb. 1:8?

Emusan:
Here he comes again.

Tell me is NWT accurate in all verses? let's start there!

Emusan:
No you only quote verses that suit you when you like.



Simply because it's your organization version nothing more nothing less.

I know you will use style to dodge my question but I'll repeat it again is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have?

If your answer is NO! Kindly, show us another translation that is accurate.



No a verse is what the ORIGINAL Hebrew or Greek means not dependent of the reader and the only fact that can brought forth to support them must come from those who chose to study these languages which we called SCHOLARS.



But what of the familiar ones like NIV, Amplified, NLT, KJV, RSV, ASV, CJB, NASB? Are these translations accurate in all verses or not?




There's no view, you're a JWs simple and truth. So, all this new belief doesn't add up anything. Like I said, you can continue to tell those kids in your area that one.

solutionsnow:
Was Jesus preaching the garden of Eden or its restoration? No no no. So preach the heavenly kingdom Jesus preached of.

You guys are obsessed with inheriting the earth, you want to inherit Microsoft and Facebook. Day-dreamers. The creator of heaven and earth says they will be destroyed by fire. Open your eyes, read the bible.

solite3:
This should tell you hell is a real place.

Have you seen spirit before to know if they don't have tongue, eyes or any other bodily description?
Stop discrediting the bible because of ignorance.
Hell is real! The bible is clear about it.

solutionsnow:
I pity your personal local government. You read the bible with eyes blocked 2 Cor 3:15 -17.
I know you didn't read the write up done by the OP, if you did, you wouldn't have been saying this rubbish.

All what the OP wrote are true.

Anas09:
I hope u can read this. All of it

Charles Taze Russell, who was born on February 16, 1852, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Originally raised a Presbyterian, Russell was 16 years old and a member of the Congregational church in the year 1868, when he found himself losing faith. He had begun to doubt not only church creeds and doctrines, but also God and the Bible itself. At this critical juncture a chance encounter restored his faith and placed him under the influence of Second Adventist preacher Jonas Wendell.
For some years after that Russell continued to study Scripture with and under the influence of various Adventist laymen and clergy, notably Advent Christian Church minister George Stetson and the Bible Examiner's publisher George Storrs. He met locally on a regular basis with a small circle of friends to discuss the Bible, and this informal study group came to regard him as their leader or pastor.
In January, 1876, when he was 23 years old, Russell received a copy of The Herald of the Morning, an Adventist magazine published by Nelson H. Barbour of Rochester, New York. One of the distinguishing features of Barbour's group at that time was their belief that Christ returned invisibly in 1874, and this concept presented in The Herald captured Russell's attention. It meant that this Adventist splinter group had not remained defeated, as others had, when Christ failed to appear in 1874 as Adventist leaders had predicted; somehow this small group had managed to hold onto the date by affirming that the Lord had indeed returned at the appointed time, only invisibly.
Was this mere wishful thinking, coupled with a stubborn refusal to admit the error of failed chronological calculations? Perhaps, but Barbour had some arguments to offer in support of his assertions. In particular, he came up with a basis for reinterpreting the Second Coming as an invisible event: In Benjamin Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott translation of the New Testament the word rendered coming in the King James Version at Matthew 24:27, 37, 39 is translated presence instead. This served as the basis for Barbour's group to advocate, in addition to their time calculations, an invisible presence of Christ.
Although the idea appealed to young Charles Taze Russell, the reading public apparently refused to 'buy' the story of an invisible Second Coming, with the result that N. H. Barbour's publication The Herald of the Morning was failing financially. In the summer of 1876 wealthy Russell paid Barbour's way to Philadelphia and met with him to discuss both beliefs and finances. The upshot was that Russell became the magazine's financial backer and was added to the masthead as an Assistant Editor. He contributed articles for publication as well as monetary gifts, and Russell's small study group similarly became affiliated with Barbour's.
Russell and Barbour believed and taught that Christ's invisible return in 1874 would be followed soon afterward, in the spring of 1878 to be exact, by the Rapture-the bodily snatching away of believers to heaven. When this expected Rapture failed to occur on time in 1878, The Herald's editor, Mr. Barbour, came up with "new light" on this and other doctrines. Russell, however, rejected some of the new ideas and persuaded other members to oppose them. Finally, Russell quit the staff of the Adventist magazine and started his own. He called it Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence and published its first issue with the date July, 1879. In the beginning it had the same mailing list as The Herald of the Morning and considerable space was devoted to refuting the latter on points of disagreement, Russell having taken with him a copy of that magazine's mailing list when he resigned as assistant editor.
At this point Charles Russell no longer wanted to consider himself an Adventist, nor a Millerite. But, he continued to view Miller and Barbour as instruments chosen by God to lead His people in the past. The formation of a distinct denomination around Russell was a gradual development. His immediate break was, not with Adventism, but with the person and policies of N. H. Barbour.
Nor were barriers immediately erected with respect to Protestantism in general. New readers obtaining subscriptions to Zion's Watch Tower were often church members who saw the magazine as a para-church ministry, not as an anti-church alternative. Russell traveled about speaking from the pulpits of Protestant churches as well as to gatherings of his own followers. In 1879, the year of his marriage to Maria Frances Ackley and also the year he began publishing Zion's Watch Tower, Russell organized some thirty study groups or congregations scattered from Ohio to the New England coast. Each local "class" or ecclesia came to recognize him as "Pastor," although geography and Russell's writing and publishing activities prevented more than an occasional pastoral visit in person.
Inevitably, Russell's increasingly divergent teachings forced his followers to separate from other church bodies and to create a denomination of their own. Beginning, as he did, in a small branch of Adventism that went to the extreme of setting specific dates for the return of Christ and the Rapture, Russell went farther out on a limb in 1882 by openly rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity. His earlier mentor Nelson H. Barbour was a Trinitarian, as was The Herald of the Morning's other assistant editor John H. Paton who joined Russell in leaving Barbour to start Zion's Watch Tower. The writings of Barbour and Paton that Russell had helped publish or distribute were Trinitarian in their theology. And the Watch Tower itself was at first vague and noncommittal on the subject. It was only after Paton broke with him in 1882, and ceased to be listed on the masthead, that Russell began writing against the doctrine of the Trinity.
By the time of his death , Charles Taze Russell had traveled more than a million miles and preached more than 30,000 sermons. He had authored works totaling some 50,000 printed pages, and nearly 20,000,000 copies of his books and booklets had been sold.
Followers had been taught that Russell himself was the "faithful and wise servant" of Matthew 24:45 and "the Laodicean Messenger," God's seventh and final spokesman to the Christian church. But he lived to see the failure of various dates he had predicted for the Rapture, and finally died on October 31, 1916, more than two years after the world was supposed to have ended, according to his calculations, in early October, 1914..
His disciples, however, saw the World War then raging as reason to believe "the end" was still imminent. They buried Russell beneath a headstone identifying him as "the Laodicean Messenger," and erected next to his grave a massive stone pyramid emblazoned with the cross and crown symbol he was fond of and the name "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society." (The pyramid still stands off Cemetery Lane in Ross, a northern Pittsburgh suburb, where it reportedly serves as the focal point of an eerie scene each Halloween as modern-day Russellites encircle it, holding hands, in a vigil commemorating the day of his death.)
According to instructions Russell left behind, his successor to the presidency would share power with an editorial committee and with the Watch Tower corporation's board of directors, whom Russell had appointed "for life." But vice president Joseph Franklin ("Judge" Rutherford soon set about concentrating all organizational authority in his own hands. A skilled lawyer who had served as Russell's chief legal advisor, he combined legal prowess with what opponents undoubtedly saw as a Machiavellian approach to internal corporate politics. Thus he used a loophole in their appointment to unseat the majority of the Watch Tower directors without calling a membership vote. And he even had a subordinate summon the police into the Society's Brooklyn headquarters offices to break up their board meeting and evict them from the premises. (Faith on the March by A. H. Macmillan, pp. 78-80)
After securing the headquarters complex and the sect's corporate entities, Rutherford turned his attention to the rest of the organization. By gradually replacing locally elected elders with his own appointees, he managed to transform a loose collection of semi-autonomous democratically-run congregations into a tight-knit organizational machine run from his office. Some local congregations broke away, forming such Russellite splinter groups as the Chicago Bible Students, the Dawn Bible Students, and the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement, all of which continue to this day. But most Bible Students remained under his control, and Rutherford renamed them "Jehovah's Witnesses" in 1931, to distinguish them from these other groups.
Meanwhile, he shifted the sect's emphasis from the individual "character development" Russell had stressed to vigorous public witnessing work, distributing the Society's literature from house to house. By 1927 this door-to-door literature distribution had become an essential activity required of all members. The literature consisted primarily of Rutherford's unremitting series of attacks against government, against Prohibition, against "big business," and against the Roman Catholic Church. He also forged a huge radio network and took to the air waves, exploiting populist and anti-Catholic sentiment to draw thousands of additional converts. His vitriolic attacks, blaring from portable phonographs carried to people's doors and from the loudspeakers of sound cars parked across from churches, also drew down upon the Witnesses mob violence and government persecution in many parts of the world.
Like Russell, Rutherford tried his hand at prophecy and predicted that biblical patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be resurrected in 1925 to rule as princes over the earth. (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, pp. 89-90) They failed to show up, of course, and Rutherford quit predicting dates. In fact, referring to that prophetic failure he later admitted, "I made an ass of myself." (The Watchtower, October 1, 1984, p. 24)
Vice President Nathan Homer Knorr inherited the presidency upon Rutherford's death in 1942 but left doctrinal matters largely in the hands of Frederick W. Franz, who joined the sect under Russell and had been serving at Brooklyn headquarters since 1920. Lacking the personal magnetism and charisma of Russell and Rutherford, Knorr focused followers' devotion on the 'Mother' organization rather than on himself.
After decades of publishing books and booklets authored by its presidents Russell and Rutherford, the Watchtower Society began producing literature that was written anonymously. But it was not impersonal, since the organization itself was virtually personified, and readers were directed to "show our respect for Jehovah's organization, for she is our mother and the beloved wife of our heavenly Father, Jehovah God." (The Watchtower, May 1, 1957, p. 285)
A superb administrator, Knorr shifted the sect's focus from dynamic leadership to dynamic membership. He initiated training programs to transform members into effective recruiters. Instead of carrying a portable phonograph from house to house, playing recordings of "Judge" Rutherford's lectures at people's doorsteps, the average Jehovah's Witness began receiving instruction on how to speak persuasively. Men, women, and children learned to give sermons at the doors on a variety of subjects.
Meanwhile Fred Franz worked behind the scenes to restore faith in the sect's chronological calculations, a subject largely ignored following Rutherford's prophetic failure in 1925. The revised chronology established Christ's invisible return as having taken place in 1914 rather than 1874, and, during the 1960's, the Society's publications began pointing to the year 1975 as the likely time for Armageddon and the end of the world.
The prevailing belief among Jehovah's Witnesses today is that the Society never predicted "the end" for 1975, but that some over-zealous members mistakenly read this into the message. However, the official prediction is well documented. See, for example, the article titled "Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975?" in The Watchtower of August 15, 1968, pp. 494-501. Allowing for a small margin of error, it concludes a lengthy discussion with this thought: "Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. . . . It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." (p. 499) For several other quotes pointing specifically to 1975, see the book Index of Watchtower Errors (by David A. Reed, Baker Book House, 1990) pages 106-110.
Knorr's training programs for proselytizing, plus Franz' apocalyptic projections for 1975, combined to produce rapid growth in membership, the annual rate of increase peaking at 13.5 percent in 1974. All of this pushed meeting attendance at JW Kingdom Halls from around 100,000 in 1941 to just under 5 million in 1975. Growth since then has been slower, but fairly steady in most years, with the result that nearly 11.5 million gathered at Kingdom Halls in the spring of 1992 for the Witnesses' annual communion or "Memorial" service commemorating Christ's death with unleavened bread and red wine.

solite3:
you are the confused man here! Go and clear you head come back and read slowly.

solite3:
I ask you again is that story about Abel?

DoctorAlien:
Answer Yes or No: can Jesus save anybody of His own?

DoctorAlien:
Jozzy4,

GOD sent othniel to save. We know that, of his own, Othniel had no power to save. GOD wrought mighty works through him.

Since GOD sent Jesus Christ as Saviour, does it mean Jesus has no power of His own to save anybody?

DoctorAlien:
Isa. 43:11 wasn't talking of a Saviour for the Jews alone, we know. Yahweh says only He can save; How then is Jesus Christ also Saviour?

Isa. 45:5 says apart from YHWH, there is no other GOD. How then does YHWH say to Jesus Christ, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever..." Psa. 45:6?