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Jeromejnr:
Well, I know folks that have gotten involved with such. And they don't get exact prophecies of things to come.

The spirits only know what is happening. So you meam to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events?

Now that is new. Even Tarot card readers or crystal ball gazers only focus on the past and the present.

Keep deluding yourself bro

Act 16:16-19 , a servant girl that had the spirit of PRedIction , she predict future happenings perfectly that her masters made HUGE PROFIT from it .

I pity ya .

lexiconkabir:
with what i bolded, i see no reason why xtians should refer to jesus as God, when he clearly said "our lord" meaning he is included. this is a clear cut statement from the lips of jesus himself. pls read the bible the way it is not how you were deluded(no offences) to read it.

Wow , I thought i was the only one that noticed .

victorels:
1Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;

Good ! Its not " one God , father, son and holyspirit" .

Its clear you are the LIAR Not 1 Cor 8:6

and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Are you saying their is two Lords. One the Lord that you accept as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and another Lord, Jesus Christ by whom all things were created.

And you have accepted the Lord is God and still want to oppose the spirit convincing you for repentance.

The word of God is truth.

Point of correction: bible translators deliberately replac the name YAHWEH with "LORD" in the hebrew scriptures , hence come your confusion.
Besides, It was the YAHWEH,God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that "made Jesus Lord" oooo , guess u havnt read your bible to that extent .

Answer my question :

~ is Jesus the same person called God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?

Jeromejnr:
@ MuttleyLaff ...You were told by your Sunday school teachers it was a familiar spirit, we were all told.

But if you had studied the scriptures, you would have known that a familiar spirit or an evil
spirit cannot prophesy the future.

They only know the past or the present.

Go and study the book of Jeremiah.

Sit down there , many people are contacting them everyday for the outcome of something they want to embark on , and they are getting answers .

From that scripture , its clear that contacting spirit medium is good and real , infact One can decide to contact David Or Samuel and they will come up . Nice

victorels:
Liviticus 25:17
Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.

2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

MArk 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandmentsis, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Did you see anything in those Verses. The Lord is God.

Your case is pathetic , the LORD in those bible verses is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob .

Or are you telling me Jesus Is The God Of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob ?

victorels:
You are forgetting the Third, the Holy Spirit, God.

You mean Paul forget ?

1COR 8:6 : for us , there is one God , the Father "


Victorels : for us , there is one God , the father and son and holyspirit "

Who is lying between the two of you ?

victorels:
I never said that that two Gods prayed to each other.
I told you that Jesus, God, prayed to the Father God. I never said the Father Prayed to Jesus.

Jesus God is not the Father God , shey ?

Jesus God , prayed to the Father God , its clear we see Jesus God PRAYING TO the other God .

I dont even need to talk too much . Its clear

Again, I said by the words of Jesus, I and the Father are one". It means if Jesus is God and the Father is God, and both of them are one, then they are one God.

A LIE and infact a very bad logic which contradicts the scripture @ underlined

Victorels : "one God , Father and Son"


Scripture : " One God , The FATHER" 1Cor 8:6


Who is lying between the two of you ?

Scripture said " there is one God , THE FATHER" 1 Cor 8:6 , only the father .

But john 1:1 include another God into the scene , since this God is not the Father ; ITS ANOTHER GOD . Two Gods ; pure polytheism

Some say am an atheist , others said am a jw , to some am a muslim .
Why ? Because am exposing their polytheism see accusations .

victorels:
That is the confusion I am talking about. Enjoy it.

At least you confess Two Gods praying to each other .
Victorels : " Yes, Jesus God pray to the Father, God"
God pray to God ! Nice confession

victorels:
You need to be confused the more.

Do you Know that all the children of God on earth were given birth to by the Holy Spirit?

I can see Yu are out of your mind .

victorels:
Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

You can Include the angels too because they are son of God including the fallen one, Satan.

If you have brain, you would choose the side of God and be counted a worthy son. If you know the what being a god is, you should be crying by now. Its your choice to make.

Lot of Gods .

Angels Are Gods

Humans Are Gods .

Why dont you add them to your dogma, thats billionity or millionity ? Instead of just 3 Tri Gods .

victorels:
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'?

So you don't Know that Children of God are Gods.

Keep deceiving yourself.

Add them to the two Gods in john 1:1 , how many Gods are we counting now ?

victorels:
So much loneliness is the cause. +t makes your mind to imagine without reasoning. The scripture used the word "Idleness". I pray he finds something Beautiful other than +++

Am Sorry this is paining you , nevertheless you have confirm it that a God prays to another God . Two distinct Gods , one pray to the other .


Reason , dont be afraid of questioning your faith.

victorels:
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

If you have accepted that the Father is God and the Son is God , why is that statement too difficult for you to understand.

Many atheist would be disappointed in you. If you chose to be an atheist, please go and learn the way of an atheist.

Another solid proof of two Gods @ underlined " if the father is God" 1

And the Son is God " 2

Do you now accept you have two Gods that are with each other ? ( john 1:1)

I Guess we are also Gods and a part of trinity too . Hehehe " that they may ALL be one JUST AS we are one " john 17:22 ?

victorels
Yes. Jesus, God, Prayed to the Father, God.

God prayed to another God.
2 Gods , Very Plain .

The Information I wanted Him to understand is that The Father and Son are One.

He didnt say they are ONE GOD ? Did he ?

Emusan:
a confused man that always furnished article that unconfused man can't refute.

Sorry.

When you can say so heaven opened when Stephen saw Jesus which is the evidence that people actually saw Jesus after His ascension as it against your claim that the verse is talking about Jesus ascension.

How do you see the fact I presented above Mr unconfused man?

Pick your glasses and re-read my post . Its a question :

" So Stephen actually saw Jesus and GOD with his human eyes ?

My guy, So heaven actually OPENED , abi ? "

That question might help you to stop mistaking vision for a real-life event . ( Paul's Journey to damascus: A LIGHT FROM HEAVEN FLASHED and Jesus speaks , THE GLORY OF THAT LIGHT blinds paul Act 22:11 ; 'dwelling in unaproachable LIGHT' 1tim 3:16 thats a real encounter after his ascension to heaven. )

victorels:
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If you understand the mystery of God, you will not argue much about the "Word" and God.

God is Omnipresent. He can be anywhere anytime. He can be in different form at the same time.

The angel of the Lord Appeared to Moses In the Burning Bush yet God spoke to Moses out of the Burning Bush.

God Led the Israelites in a pillar of fire by Night and of Cloud by Day yet the scripture still made it clear that only one Angel was sent to liberate the Israelites from Egypt.

God is seated in heaven and His emissaries are all over the universe doing His will in form of Angels (For Spiritual Emissaries) and Prophets (FOR Human Emissaries)

Every thing That Happen about Jesus Praying to the father is for us to believe that God was in Christ Reconciling Men to Himself. When Jesus Prayed to call forth Lazarus from the death, he [/s]

Sorry , just answer my question: who is God praying to ? Another God ?

@ Emusan , confuse man ; You Start a thread you cant handle then you start derailing .


Here is my first statement on this thread

" those guys ( JW's) hardly engage in a conversation where the op is a confuse man" .


Gradually , you proved the point as true ; all you now do is deviate from the main point of the thread just to save face .

You guys gat big problem .

victorels:
From Your subsequent posts, it implies you are anti-Christ.
But if you must know, God took different form for different environment.

The scripture made it clear that God is a Spirit. In the Beginning, the face of the earth was covered by water and the Spirit of God moved over the surface of the waters.
After Creation, God took a new form regarded as word or voice or sound which can relate to man whom he made a physical entity.

For God to redeem man from sin, he decided to take a new form which is visible to man and walked among them.

God is God and remains one no matter the form he took as long as he is the Everlasting Father.

Your trying to corrupt the word with you philosophy or psychology cannever remove the feet of the saints from their God.

Your own concept of God is even worse .

Since God has come down , Who is God praying to again? .. Another God ?

Jeromejnr:
Lord have Mercy. (I think you need to go back to the days of basic comprehension)

I would have answered you but seeing you like to make a jester out of yourself, I decided to put my pen down.

Its better you put your pen down than continue to embarass yourself .

" all of Them"

Jeromejnr:
Genesis 1 "And God (Elohim) said, let us....."

Elohim in Hebrew means Gods.

God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And we see all of [size=25]them[/size] all doing something different apart from each other in the beginning but in conformity of will.

The underlined said it: "all of THEM" , them indeed .

you serve multiple Gods

Jeromejnr:
So your point is God does not have a tongue?.

The same reason he doesnt have a p*nis or blood . You need to understand anthropomorphic expressions .

What point are you even trying to make sef for God's sake. What does this toungues issue have to do with anything. If not that the person I was debating with was just going round the world looking for something to say.

A rich MAN begs for physical water to cool HIS TONGUE .

And you take that literally , whereas you know his tongue has been buried with him in the grave .

You need to think .

Jeromejnr:
On point.

Two Gods
God (the word) was WITH ^another God

Jeromejnr:
Hey! your dat ignorant guy. Where you disappear go?.

as to your stupi.d question:

Is 1:20 :"but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword." For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

Or His mouth does not have a tongue again abi?.

Ps 94:9 "Does he who fashioned the ear not hear? Does he who formed the eye not see?"

So we see He has eyes, ears and a mouth. But according to you, He doesn't have a tongue abi?.

My guy go sleep. It's night.

Eeyah, very soon you will say God have intestines , kidney , pancreas and that he literally roar like a Lion . And at least since you have p*nis , he have too ! Guy you are commiting grave errors .

Go and read up Anthropomorphic expressions.

johnw74:
@red, The thread starts with a lie, a changing of God's inspired word.
Whereas the Word is God, the verse doesn't say what was posted, it should say:
Joh 1:1 .... the Word was with God ....
The verse does not talk about two god's but two persons, God and the Word, who are God.
But the OP also keeps saying two god's where the verse says God (single).

Its not a lie , unless you want to tell me the Word is not God .

The Word is God , and (The Word ) God was WITH God .

" The Word ^God was WITH God" . God was with another God
( this second God is not the word, is he ?) Two Different Gods .

We know from scriptures that God is One, if we don't understand that we will at least believe it, believe the scriptures, if we are Christians.

' we Write you things you can understand' 1cor 1:13 .

So what exactly is there that you dont understand ?

Medicis

It actually means Jesus was with the father in the
beginning as his word(Logos) I.e his spoken word. I
have actually shared this on many thread, hope it helps.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and
apart from Him nothing came into being that has come
into being.
John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in
the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos
Means word, but specifically it means the spoken word
or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word.

There are thousands of Jesus indeed , the entire bible is full of Gods spoken word . The funniest part is that while Jesus is getting baptized , God utter another spoken word which is jesus at the baptism of another jesus .


Na wah .

John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was "with"
God and "was" God. This statement yields two important
conclusions regarding Jesus and the Trinity: Jesus is
God and existed from the beginning as God, yet Jesus'
existence is somehow distinct from God the Father.
Jesus was "with" God and "was" God at the same time.

@ underlined , Jesus was with God OR God was with God ?

Jeromejnr:
That was why I asked you, do you even know what a vision is? Do you know the types of visions? What is an open vision? What Is the difference between a night vision (dream like Daniel had) and an open vision like Peter had? Of course you don't cause you have a lot of learning to do.

Dream indeed

You kindly show us where it says spirits don't have toungues. Wow! I wonder how angels talk through their mouths or even God. Or you don't believe they have a mouth again bah? Lol. Or maybe even eyes to see or a head. I mean why take one out and leave the rest.





Okay so answer this question, since you believe in saints redeemed bodies in heaven after rapture. Since saints will be in their bodies, are they going to still be going to toilets in heaven? . Oh, they have a soakaway/cesspit in heaven. (Wow, I can see how smart you are). Can you see how you turned on yourself.



So let me give you a final blow with the scriptures. . If you like twist it again.

2Cor 12:3
"2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.…"

So the apostle Paul here says he was caught up into paradise, and he couldn't tell the difference if he was in his spirit form or not. Why? could it be that he acknowledged that the form of his spirit is in no way different from his flesh. (In having a toungue, leg, eyes e.t.c.) Did he say "hey guys, I know I was in my spirit form because I discovered I didn't have a toungue or a head" . Or I guess you have more revelations than Apostle Paul...maybe you can enlighten us.

Heb 12:23
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to[b] the spirits of the righteous made perfect[/b], 24and to Jesus, the mediator

So I am sure you agree that this was written for people on the earth right. And the writer said when they come to mount Zion (to God's throne in prayer and worship by faith) that also you come to sprits of just men made perfect in heaven. Who are the men, definitely not angels right?. Or maybe the spirits are sleeping and unconscious in heaven.

Eph 3:15
14For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name,

You agree we are one body in Christ all baptized in to name of Christ and the family(beloved). So who are the famies in heaven and also the ones on earth?. It can't be angels since they are not baptized into Christ's name.

Heb 12:1
1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us...

If you read chapter 11 it talks of the men of faith who have gone before us. And the writer trying to encourage us says "see we have a cloud of witnesses cheering us as we run our race" well maybe they are just in the dust sleeping and the writer was tryna deceive us.

Be learned my friend.

Sorry,

Show us the scripture that says, God a spirit being without flesh and blood have tongue ?

Cutehector:
u dnt understand.. There are entirely two diferent statements altogether yet linking to each other


Jesus has made it simple for us to understand yet human beings in there "wisdom" will neva want to understand...

Brother , You actually get my point ; but decide to sweep it under the rug bcoz of the fear of questioning your faith .

Alright , the macmillan dictionary defines the preposition WITH as thus :

" if one person or thing is WITH ANOTHER or does something with them, They are together, or they do it together "

www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/with

Check the underlined " THEY" indicating two or more (plural) . Is That not telling you that God was WITH , was with God in john 1:1 clearly declare two Gods ?

Cutehector:
The word was with God, and the word was God...



Who is the word? Jesus .. That's right


I and my father are one... Said by christ right...


Dat means, d father dwells in the son and the son dwells in the father...


So therefor, if christ is in me, and I am in christ, doesn't it make me one with him?


Op? Dnt read d bible with ur human intellect ok.. U won't grasp the true message

Honestly , I appreciate your input but you omit the main point .

According to john 1:1 , the word was God , abi ?

That simply means ' the Word ^God was WITH God" , is that not clearly 2 Gods, emphasis on " WITH" ?

John 1:1 , God was WITH God .

Seriously , That sounds like two Gods emphasis on " WITH" ; Can anyone clarify this ?

Since morning , have actually been thinking about an event that happened yesterday night around 11:00pm at a church close to my house , I dont know if I should call it greed , but its confirm commercialization . BUT IT PAINED ME THAT THE PEOPLE INVOLVE ARE SOOO DECEIVED THAT THEY YIELD TO THE MAN'S REQUEST

There are loudspeakers , so I could hear everything been said : at a point I heard

" there are some people here that will surely make it before the end of this year , some of them will dedicate houses , new cars and lots of testimony . But if you are among this people show appreciation to the Lord by donating just #1000 only , just #1000 and claim this blessings "

I WAS SUPRISED , very suprised ! He is not even ashame that the loudspeakers will take his voice a long way . And some people actually paid that money .

From #1000 , it get to #500 , then #200 and finally #100 for the students .

It pains .