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Scholar8200:
My point is that we read the passage in its context, appreciate the usage of the word 'possess' with respect to the process of 'bringing forth', vis a vis the usage of that word with reference to the same process in a similar passage, in order to be objective and fair in our analysis.
Holding to 'possess' while ignoring the others that set things in the right perspective is to distort the thought given by both passages.

Appreciating possess in the light of proverb 8:24 , been GIVEN BIRTH to simply means Jesus is created . Do you agree ?

johnw74:
@bold, why does joz only post that part:
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The whole verse is another verse that shows Jesus Christ along with the Father is God.

But to us there is one God , The Father - scripture

But to me there is one God, The Father and Son - Johnw74

Who is lying between both of you ?

You don't understand how the Father and the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is needed,
it's you who say the Father and the Son is two God's
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord [size=26]our God[/size] is one Lord:

Deu 6:4 , hehehe Jesus said " OUR GOD" , lol he include himself . But you are too brain.washed to see that . Check the bold sized

Scholar8200:
Notice that Psalm 139 describes the art of possessing as part of the process of being brought forth; it will then be wrong to single out that word and ignore the context or the part played by that verse in what is being described therein.
Both the OT and the NT agree to the fact that He is the Only Begotten!

Whats your point ? Because possessing my intestines simply means God Create them . Are you now saying wisdom was possessed means wisdom is created ?

Scholar8200:
The word 'possess' is also used in relation to being brought forth in Psalm 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins:
thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. AKJV

Consider this passage in Amplified

13 For You did [size=26]form [/size] my inward parts; You did knit me together in my mother’s womb.

Meaning the hebrew word there used still talks of the process of being brought forth as Psalm 139 shows.

Thanks for this analysis .

From the above , God possessed my reins means God formed my intestines , right ?

Then that means wisdom been possessed in Proverb 8:22 means it was FORMED .

DoubleDeeX:
Jesus Christ is the manifestation of God the Father in the flesh (Human form) just as bottle water is still water but in a container!

Hmm so it was God the Father that came down to earth , pls who is God the Father praying to ? .. Another God ? Or is he just pretending to pray in other to deceive the masses ?

That's the mystery of Godliness! God manifested in the flesh for the purpose of our salvation...

So God died ?

[s]
Which is why it is written that those who worship Him must do it in truth and in spirit through Christ Jesus, the name for our salvation.

It's not given to all to understand the word of God. Only those who are spiritually alive would understand these mysteries...

The time is short...some people are still running in circles. Work out your salvation with fear a trembling brethren!

Shallom! [/s]

Stop calling an absurdity a mystery .

Proverb 8:22 said wisdom ( Jesus) was created , the LXX agrees with that rendering . So when we read at proverb 8:24 that wisdom is been given birth to , thats very easy to understand and perfectly agrees with proverb 8:22

THE CONTRADICTION :

Most modern translation disagree with the LXX septuagint " created " because it contradict their theology , so They Render Proverb 8:22 as
" wisdom was possessed " .. This raise the QUESTION : How can wisdom be GIVEN BIRTH TO if its already possessed ?

Proverb 8:22 " wisdom is possessed"

Proverb 8:24 NO , " wisdom is given birth to"

Can someone explain this contradiction ?

johnw74

Duh, that's what the verse means

Nope ! That will contradict 1 cor 8:6 for us there is one God , THE FATHER . ONLY THE FATHER .

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

But we are also one in the same sense ! John 17:22 , Does it mean we are Almighty God and a part of trinity too?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word Jesus is God, ⁽¹⁾ Father is God, ⁽²⁾

Check the numbers ! Just admit you serve TWO Gods .

Thats why God prayed to the other God the Father . And when God 1 died , the other God didnt die .

I and my Father are one

We are also one In The same sense (john 17:22)

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory

Since It was God that was manifested in the FLESH , do you now admit Mary is the mother of God ?

[s] 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost is one, one what? one Spirit, one God

Jw cannot possibly understand it, oh that's right you are not jw,

It's understandable that I keep forgetting that.

[/s]

Spurious Text .

paulGrundy:
[s]
I can see that some parts of my quote has been cut-off, And I can also see that you are bent on trolling. I will leave you to it, accurate truth is too sacred to be trampled on by pigs. [/s]

Answer my question

johnw74:
Yet you don't believe them, you jw aren't u

He is not a JW , your thinking faculty has been conditioned to view everyone that disagree with you as Jw , you need h.elp .

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


Scripture doesn't say we are equal with God, but scripture does say that Jesus Christ thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
and equal is the correct word there

That mean we are also equal with God , Philipian 2:5 said we sud keep that same mind thats in Christ Jesus

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.

The jews are wrong . Use your thinking faculty , " the Father Is GREATER than I" Joh 14:28

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Thank God, he didnt say I and my Father are ONE GOD.

paulGrundy:
Anyone who doesn't carry a bag full of awake! And watchtower going door to door has "personal problems".






The preaching work is NOT a prophetic fulfillment, its a command/mandate. This command is not customized with a watchtower patent stamp, after all watchtower society was not even in existence when it was given.

Mark 16:15

2 Corinthians 5:11-21New International Version (NIV)

The Ministry of Reconciliation
11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience. 12 We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart. 13 If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it

Who are those known worldwide for doing the preaching work today ?

paulGrundy:
Sound like a typical response from dolphinheart.

The above show you have some personal pr.oblems.

Romans 10:14-15

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

John 14:26

26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John16:13, 1Corith 2:13

Today , who are those preaching the goodnews of Gods Kingdom in all the earth as prophesied in Matt 24:14 ?

Ii. Who are those known and identified worldwide for preaching ?

tycoon2:
Op, I see you're beginning to catch d light, sincerely pray to God to open d eyes of your understanding Eph1:17 prayer nd also start attending a good Bible believing church. Dm me I will take it upon myself to pray nd counsel u. Drealtycoon@gmail.com

Eeyah , I notice you ask him to pray to God ; Pls who is God ?

Scholar8200:
[s] If you read the place in Revelation 20, it says the DEAD small and great...meaning those
like the rich man etc that went there will ,by the second resurrection, be brought out.
Again Revelation 20,''I saw the DEAD small and great STAND before God...'' If you consider the context in Isaiah quoted as a time when death will be no more after the second resurrection , how would you differentiate the dead in Isaiah from those in Revelation. [/s]

Stop derailing !

You are yet to show me the verse that said hell - GEHENNA will be thrown into the Lake Of Fire ?

Scholar8200:
well....

see Revelations 20:13,14

So Rev 20:13,14 mention hell - gehenna shey ? Get your facts right , the verse mention HADE'S not gehenna .

[s]It is not possible that they will be resurrected and killed again! Being cast into the lake of fire is described as the second death. [/s]

Isaiah 66: 22-24 is talking about dead Bodies Okay .

paulGrundy:
1 Timothy 2:5King James Version (KJV)

5 For there is one God, and [size=20pt]one mediator[/size] between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;



http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/mediator

Any other link (organization or man) is an impostor.

Your knowledge of scripture is zero ! Jesus is the mediator and that mean he will speak and explain truth for his disciples from heaven , right ? Am wondering why the brothers and sisters in the first century travelled to jerusalem to tell the apostles to resolve the matter regarding circumcision , why didnt they travel to heaven and tell Jesus to resolve it ?

There is a ministry work of a teacher, he explains truth not manufacture truth.

Very good ! Since have been reading the JW's publication , THEY also explain the truth in the bible , you will always find scriptural quotes in "() " throughout the magazines . Infact its very difficult to read those magazines without me going into the bedroom to pick my bible .

AM SEEING THINGS ! Jocalo joined nairaland today september 2 , 2015 and post this :

jocalo:
I had my mind controlled. I was told what to do, who to associate with, what to wear, what sites to browse, what movies to choose, how to think, whom to marry etc etc.
The mind control is epic. I was controlled!

The mind control technique is so epic that if you ask me questions to something I have no scriptural backing of, I'd just say "The Society says so. We can't question the Society

NOW , COMPARE THE ABOVE WITH THIS :

MzNelly
I had my mind controlled. Iwas told what to do, who to associate with, what to wear, what sites to browse, what movies to choose, how to think, whom to marry etc etc.
The mind control is epic. I was
Controlled! The mind control technique is so epic that if you ask me questions to something I have no scriptural backing of, I'd just say "The Society says so. We can't question the Society"

https://www.nairaland.com/2555378/diary-jehovahs-witness

A sincere person know something is fishy .

@ Mizjanet ; Thanks for those deep thought questions that force my friend to do neccesary research.

Scholar8200:
Of course when a person dies, he is buried in the ground.

A careful consideration of scripture shows that the final judgement in the lake of fire is interchangeably called hell, everlasting punishment, everlasting destruction etc
The reference to physical body parts by Jesus therefore points to the final Great White Throne Judgment in Revelations 20:12-15 this will take place after the second resurrection John 5:29. Revelations 20 establishes the fact that the torments of hell-gehenna is a temporary one as hell-gehenna will be disposed off in the lake of fire meaning the reference to everlasting fire points not to hell- gehenna but to the lake of fire.

@ underlined , show me where the bible said hell - gehenna will be cast into the lake offire ?

Now Jesus spoke about fire that will never be quenched a fact that actually points to the final judgement as shown in:

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth which I make shall remain before Me, says the Lord, so shall your offspring and your name remain.

24 And they shall go forth and gaze upon the dead bodies of the [rebellious] men who have stepped over against Me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all mankind.
Isaiah 66:22-24

Meaning after the Great judgement, the location of the lake of fire will be visible.

, its DEAD BODY bro ' check the underlined.

Scholar8200:
With what will these STAND?

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, [size=13pt]stand[/size] before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
Revelations 20:12a.

Before you 'think' things away, help yourself by embarking on an exhaustive study.

Besides, the imagery used here was symbolic and the audience then (though primitive) understood hence you dont find any of the Apostles or Jesus Himself cutting off anyone's limbs!

Zero scholar , now you run to another verse . Shame !

Rev 20:12 picture the resurection and final judgement which hasnt occur yet .

Scholar8200:
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell , into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell , into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:43-47

The underlined require you to use ur thinkin fa.culty, your hands and Feets are buried in the grave not an imaginary hell .

frosbel2:
what is the wages of sin ?

Good question

cloud7:
My Brother ..Pls. dont give up, your miracle/Kingdom is at hand, you will soon possess and inherit the earth, [s] all those houses in Lekki, Maitama,Ikoyi,VI will soon belong to you,African JW are the most vibrant than their counterparts in other continent,so you just have to adjust yourself. I see them as one of the HARMLESS occultic organisation in the world. [/s]

@ your statement in color , unknown to you ; you are mocking Jesus words at Matthew 5:5 and the prophetic words in psalm 37:9-11 ,

keep it up

@ jocalo ---


Just say the bible laws are too strict for you

Meanwhile :

Join Nairaland : today, September 02 2015

Jocalo ( 1 post) ( 1 topic )

Hehehe , this is serious . Am seeing things

paulGrundy:
Yes, apostle Paul saw himself as furtherer of the truth not a link.
Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness—
Note the definitive article "THE" implying just one truth- JESUS john 14:6
Your quotes confirmed my earlier assertions. @the caps, the apostles got the traditions from Jesus- the truth, nothing more, nothing less of what Jesus taught.

but
Titus 1:1 still prove increased knowledge of truth can only be gotten from the Apostles @underlined , Not from the pharisees or Rabbis ; The apostles are therefore the middlemen/Link between Jesus and a sincere truth seeker (Eph 2:20 )

I go to church,and I know that pastors and co are there to perfect saints for ministry work Eph 5:11-12. Not to conjure truth.

Should pastors TEACH sciptural truth ? Yes or No !

Which ministry work ?

achinaboy:
never seen or heard of one before

So do I , but when I started watching some of their TV channels on my digital decorder . I realize how cool their movies are

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achinaboy:
never seen or heard of one before

So do I , but when I start watching some of their TV channels on my digital decorder , Have come to like their movies so much .

Ubenedictus:
lol

you don't celebrate birthdays because there is no biblical injuction for it? Common dear what did Paul teach concernin the observance of days.

You guys need to take it easy you have left the doctrines of the Lord and u are pursueing traditions. Observance of days does not make a man a sinner wether it is birthday or anniversary e.t.c, a Christian should know this. You mentioned some early Christians didn't celebrate birthdays are you aware they celebrated death days and "rebirth" days. While other didn't even care.

A p.ost filled with personal assumptions and some unscriptural death and rebirth days celebration . No single scripture

paulGrundy:
Even the apostles never claimed to be the link to the truth, or claimed that they have salvation.

Really ? Apostles never claim to be the link to the truth and they said this :


" Now we COMMAND you , brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from every brother who walks irresponsibly AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE TRADITION RECEIVED FROM US" - 2 The 3:6

And they say this:

" if anyone does not obey WHAT WE SAY in this letter, take note of him. Have nothing to do with him so that he will feel ashamed" - 2 The 3:14

That's the problem with you folks is that you are erronoesly trained to believe that an organization will interprete scripture for you, my bible tells me that the spirit reveals the deep things of God, not any watchtower or organization.

Rili ? U dont go to church
Moreover can you share some of the things the spirit have revealed to you? Lets see

Ubenedictus:
have u ever read d bible? There are so many parables, wheat and tares, etc, but they make clear we will always have the "wicked" ones around, it is not our work to pull out the weed. Leave that for the last day.

There can be reasons for "excommunication, disfellowship" but Christianity was never a community of the sinless, it has always been a hospital for sinners.

Just admit the underlined !

starlingslimnet:
Have given you Zechariah 14:9 that answered your questions...

Zechariah 14:9 , Yahweh is one and HIS name will be one ! His singular ! Refers to one person .

[s]And since you can't see the answer there....I will say Bye like I do say to people like you. [/s]

Psalm 83 :18 said Yahweh Alone is the Most High God ; bobo , do you agree with me that ALONE identify one person ?

starlingslimnet:
Check my First post on this thread.

Educate yourself , psalm 83:18 said Yahweh ALONE is the Most High God ; Alone is used for how many persons ? One person or three persons

starlingslimnet:
Have just did that Zechariah 14:9 ......if you can't see it there there is no use quoting me again

Zechariah 14:9 said Yahweh is one ! It didnt say Yahweh is three in one . Use your b.rain


Psalm 83:18 said Yahweh ALONE is the Most High God ! Thats the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob . Alone refers to one person .
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Jesus is " the SON OF the most high" Luke 1:32 , Not the most high himself .