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Tjayjosh:
When i told that man is triune. This is what i meant: And the lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (Body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (spirit); and man became a living (soul). The soul and the spirit is the non material part of you that never dies, that is why the scripture uses the term spirit and soul interchangeably. The soul is who you are, it is a part of your
SPIRITUAL component. This is your individuality, your "I
AM" so to speak (made in God's image), your "heart."
Although your individual soul did not exist before your mother and father
procreated you, it will exist forever . It cannot be killed by

Go and sell your lies somewhere else bro . Hehehehe if breath of life and becoming a living soul = immaterial part , then do you agree all animals have an immaterial entity that go to heaven or hell in them too since THEY ARE LIVING SOULS ( REV 16:3, GEN 1:24) AND THEY HAVE THE BREATH OF LIFE TOO ( GENESIS 7:22 ) ?

They gat it all .

man: "And fear not them which kill
the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear
him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

(Matt. 10:28 KJV)

Check the underlined , it can be destroyed like th body. That clearly proves it mortal .

Check the underlined , the body go to grave not an imaginary hell .

Go and study matt 13:34,35

When your body dies your soul (YOU) will leave the flesh:
"And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin." (Genesis 35:18 KJV)

The soul dies ( Eze 18:4)

Tjayjosh:
Regarding your question. An enclosed answer base on my study of the bible. Please study the Bible to determine if you believe the same The Bible doesn't specifically tell us whether Adam and Eve are in heaven or hell, but we can
infer that they would be in Heaven. This is why:

1. God did not abandon them. God continued to talk them and provided for them after their
sin. He made clothes of animal skin, probably from lamb skins, to cover their
unclothedness and replace the fig-leaf loin cloths the had made. This required an animal sacrifice to
cover their sin, which
prefigured the Lamb of God's christ's
sacrifice for the
sins of the world several thousand years later. This illustrated the biblical
principle of substitutionary
atonement, or covering, by the shedding of blood as condition of forgiveness for the
sinner.

2. Adam and Eve must have taught their chidren about the
importance of offering sacrifices
to God, because we find Cain and Abel givin offerings to God in Genesis 4.

3. We don't go to Hell for our sins. Take note of this. God doesn't send people to Hell
because of a sin, otherwise we would all go to Hell and there would be no point in having a
Heaven. People go to Hell because they do not recieve God's gift of salvation. When Adam and Eve sinned
When Adam and Eve, they tried to hide themselves from
God. That they felt shame for disobeying God's command not
to eat from the tree of
knowledge shows that there was hope for their salvation.

4. Adam is used as a positive example
example In Luke's Gospel, Adam is set as
the head of Christ's genealogy (Luke 3:38), and is called the
“son of God”, a term Luke has already given to Jesus (Luke
1:35). It is inconceivable that
Luke would call Adam a son of God if his destiny was to be
tormented endlessly in Hell.

5. The Apostle Paul uses Adam and Eve in his teaching about the
sexes and the truth of the Genesis account.
Christ is called the Last Adam. There is a strong comparison
between Adam and Christ in the Bible. In fact, Christ is even called the "last Adam"
in 1 Corinthians
15:45. And even though this is a
contrast, Adam brought sin and death
whereas Christ brought righteousness and
everlasting life. It seems inconceivable that Paul would
give Christ the name of Adam if Adam's home was Hell.

Stop this error , try and use your own thinkin ability .

Your dishonesty is so great that you cant incude the source of the copy and paste job , http://www.creationtips.com/adam_heaven.html

Dont take another mans credit , its total dishonesty .

MuttleyLaff:
One God, who can be at more than one place at the same time.

Let me bring home to you, more down t
Think of Agent Smith. Hmm, yeah, something like him only that Agent Smith isnt divine.

I think everyone is now accustomed to your legendary display of ignorance

After helping you modifying your remark, yes, in a roundabout way, you actually are right ''God dies while the same God is alive''
but hey, am going to feed your ignorance a bit, please dont to choke on it, else you'll throw up
God in the person of God the Son, Jesus Christ who came as man with the divine nature,
obviously as a human being, died a biological death, the spirit/breath left Him, after He exhaled and drew His last breath
so the fact is, it wasnt the death of God the Father, who is Spirit and a totally divine being who died

rubish.
Two Gods that are not one , if truly they are one why didnt God the father died when the other God the son died ?

Jeromejnr:
What is the meaning of vision Mr. Man?


The word says Moses and Elijah talked with Him, but they were soul sleeping abi?

How was it that Peter, James and John all saw Jesus's vision?

Jesus said its a "vision " matthew 17:9 , keep fighting it ? Lol , you dont know what a vision is

So spirits do not have tongue, where did you get that? So right now God that is in heaven does not have a toungue abi?

, chai ! Kindly show us a scripture that said God have tongue ?

Angels are ministering spirits but they eat food.(for scripture says that the Israelites in the wilderness ate angels food which was manna) So without a toungue , how will they be able to taste food.

Hehehehe , they have tongue , eat bread into the stomach , intestine and later shiit ?

Manna, a material substance that decompose and breed worms is called Angels food bcoz its a " bread from heaven" john 6:31-33 , psalm 105:40 .

Lol , uv jump again , I can see you have no understanding of the jumbo you copy and paste @ OP

JeromeJnr

Okay,
Does it make sense to you that after Moses and Elijah
appeared to Jesus on the mount

Read your bible , what happen on the mount Is a " VISION" Matt 17:9

and later Jesus rose up
From the grave, that God went and told them in Paradise
that
"Okay, guys, Jesus has paid the price, now I want all of
you to leave here and go and sleep in your bodies in the
Grave (that is if their bodies where not totally mutilated)
till the day He comes back to the earth" I mean why
don't He just leave them to continue enjoying?

This exist in Your imaginations .

If there is no fire in hell, then why did Jesus say:
Mark 9:48 "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it
out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with
one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE
IS NOT QUENCHED. "For everyone will be salted with
fire.…"

Really ? How many christians actually pluck out their sinful eyes and throw it away .

Meanwhile , check the underlined , our two eyes follow us into the grave ; its not casted into any imaginary hell.

Dug the grave , and you will find it there

Why did Abraham tell the rich man who was in hell
About Moses and other prophets who where on earth at
the time preaching to people?
I mean this guy is in hell burning right, and he wants
someone to go up there and preach to his brothers who
are on earth. So tell me, will you be able to preach after
the final judgment when souls have been thrown into the
lake of fire?.
And Jesus Himself is the one that tells this story.
Think man, think.

He is exactly what you call him @ bold , a rich MAN , not a rich ghost .

" MAN is from the dust, and to dust MAN will return" , and if you think the guy is a spirit , TELL US : HOW COULD A SPIRIT HAVE TONGUE ? For what purpose ? Do they drink and thirst for water?


Its high time you guys grab the meaning of Matthew 13:34,35 .

Jeromejnr:
Chai! shake my head for you man.

Has anyone in this galaxy ever said Jesus was conceived in sin?

That was why I said you didn't know the meaning of atonement. Go and do a research.

You gat no prove that jesus was spiritually dead .

Guy , We have a spiritually dead nature because we are conceived in sin , is Jesus conceived in sin ?

A sinless man is spiritually dead ?

Jeromejnr:
Then I see where your problem is.

Where is the root of sin? The flesh or the spirit?

Do you even know the meaning of atonement? no I guess not.

Btw. when a baby is born, is the spirit of the baby spiritually dead or alive? If you say alive then you contradict the scriptures.

When ppl say unbelievers are spiritually dead, is it because of stealing,murder, lying e.t.c. or because of who they are in the spirit? or why is it one needs to be born again? is it of the spirit or flesh? why is it when when after being born again commits a sin, he is not considered spiritually dead?

If you think sin is all about committing some immoral acts,

Why? Because of the spiritually dead nature in them which can't stand in the presence of God

Man, keep running in circles .

Lie @ underlined, Jesus wasnt conceive in sin , not by sexual intercourse , he didnt inherit sin , therefore has no spiritually dead NATURE

Jeromejnr:
To rise from the dead.

Has it happened ?

If all the dead now are just soul sleeping, then what is the purpose of hell? Since we know hell/hades is different from the lake of fire. (Except you don't know that)

Hades refer to the " grave" of earth , you wont be in Hade's if you die in the SEA . man

Is hell empty? Why will it also be cast into the lake of fire at the end.

Hell is fire abi ? And fire will be cast into another fire , abi? Does it make sense to you ?

Jeromejnr:
which camp are you? Atheist or believer?

So yes you are right.

1. When you answer the question I posed up there, then I will know how to answer your question according to your perspective.

Dont be scared , am a Beliver

2. Yes Jesus became sin.

@ Cor 5:21 "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

Is 53:12 "Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Rom 4:25 "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification."

Rom 8:3 "For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did

Again: None of this verses say jesus is a sinner , so how could he be spiritually dead ?

Jeromejnr:
Loool.

It's obvious you have no concrete argument again because I just dissected the scriptures for you.

So as a result you've resorted to assumptions and absurd claims.

Don't worry I understand.

And for all you wrote up there, I would have dissected them once again for you, but seeing I will just be talking to a hardened heart who is bent on twisting things to your favor, I put my pen down.

She destroyed your argument .

2 things are right From her posts

1) if jesus is spirit living in flesh , then only the flesh he put on died , while he himself didnt die ? Reason , she is trying to let you think logically .

2) if jesus died a spiritual death , he is a sinner . You and I know that spiritually dead is used to describe sinners .

Jeromejnr:
Point of correction. Not everything John saw in the vision was concerning the future, but also that of the past and present.

E.g. The woman and the dragon and also the Lamb opening the seal and as a result the elders worshipped Him and said "You are worthy.......... Cause you have redeemed us by your blood........and as a result we will riegn on the earth"

Except if you are of the school of thought that Christians will have to wait for the new earth before they finally reign.

Secondly, I never said the thief resurrected, I was talking of soul sleep. Like I said, how can he be soul sleeping if Jesus said he will be in paradise today. Resurrection happens when spirits get back into their bodies on the earth.

You can't resurrect in heaven, only on earth.

Jumbo jumbo as usual

Simple question: What is Resurection ?

prettysassygirl:
are you a witness

NO ! Is it witnesses that wrote that bible verse ?
what do you think about God's statement at Genesis 3:19 ?

johnw74:
You must mean Jesus, He is praying to the Father.

You don't understand anything told you, and you cannot without the Spirit,
and you disbelieve and question the Bible verses posted.

Okay, God is praying to another God , abi ?

I thought God is an hearer of prayer , hehehe God is now praying to another God . This is serious

Funny enough , The last time I checked , there are JW'S in over 230 lands ; Keep Ranting, they dont even know you exist .

Jeromejnr:
Good question.

Resurrection back into the world. The same way Jesus resurrected back into the world.

What is Ressurection itself ?

Points to consider:

1. The thief on the cross was told by Jesus "that TODAY you will be with me in paradise" so right now is he soul sleeping?

So, this mistranslation is an example of resurection ?

Wait , if this thief has actually been resurected , WHY DID THE APOSTLE PAUL SAID THE RESSURECTION Has Not Started ?

2. In Revelations, the Matyrd souls under the altar crying for vengeance, were they soul sleeping? Cause we could see that the judgement had not even come yet. But yet God gave them Robes and told them to wait till others like them would be killed. Jesus had not yet judged and giving rewards to the

John was in a vision man , he saw a preview of things that will happen in future present in symbols( Rev 1:1,2 ; 4:1)

You dont know what ressurection is ? Haaa !

Jeromejnr:
Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20),

What is Resurection ?

prettysassygirl:
tell me what it says

GOD speaks " in the sweat of your face you will eat bread until YOU RETURN TO THE GROUND , for out of it you are taken , for dust you are and TO DUST YOU SHALL RETURN "
Gen 3:19

To where did he say Adam will return when he died ?

prettysassygirl:
only God knows

If you truly admit God knows , do you agree with his statement in Genesis 3:19 ?

Jeromejnr:
Read what I told the guy above.

All i see is a confuse guy running in circles .

Ecclesistes is a book of " Truth" Ecc 12:10 , do you agree that all spirit return to God in heaven as stated in the scriptures?

Jeromejnr:
There is no error anywhere.

The book of Ecclesiastics is also know as a book of Perspective. What does that mean? life as viewed from the one speaking.

You need to understand that not everyone that said something in the bible spoke from God. But in their own limited understanding.

That is why Paul advised us to learn to rightly divide the word of truth.

Example. Not everything in the book of Job is considered to be Truth. When job blamed God for his problems he faced. He wasn't right with that accusation because all the while it was the devil.

Now because that statement was recorded doesn't mean it was Truth.

And BTW, u Can't take everything literally. When David said one time God was angry and smoke came out of His nostrils, did that really happen or was it just an expression?

What you said up there is an expression as given by the writer of Eccl.

So the writer of ecclesiastes is not inspired of God ?

Jeromejnr:
Yup.
The scripture says “and man became a living soul after God breath into him the breath of life”. The Hebrew bible or the original rendering of that passage in the Hebrew language says, “And man became a speaking spirit like God”.

You can research it out yourself.

Also,
The name Man is derived from a word meaning "to be red," and thus the first man was called Adam because he was formed from the red earth.

What makes man man is because of flesh. The spirit is not man but sprit. The Lord in eternity was not man but only God but when He came and put on flesh, He was known as the Son Of Man. Why?

Because he put on flesh (dust). So dust goes to dust and spirit to spirit.

Another error :

If ADAM is a spirit that means he return to God when he dies , " and the spirit returns to God" Ecc 12:7 ?

That means everyone , either good or bad returns to God in heaven . Then Everyone is saved .

Tjayjosh:
And what about the soul?

" and the Man became a LIVING Soul" . Gen 2:7

Sorry, He became a soul likewise other animals whom God also gave the breath of life ,

He wasnt given a soul . He BECAME

Jeromejnr:
Why dont you read all that passage in its context. It says:

"For dust you are and dust you shall return" Adam was not all dust. But Spirit Soul and Body(dust). So dust returns to dust but where does the spirit go?.

His spirit is not made up of dust or is it?.

Bro , God said Adam is dust , " for dust you are" , you are saying another thing ; who should I belive ?

" and the LORD God proceed to FORM THE MAN OUT OF DUST" . Gen 2:7

The man himself is what ? Dust .

The only thing that was given to him was breath of life in his NOSTRILS . probably this breath is what you called spirit .

Jeromejnr:
Humans were not created to die at first. But sin came and brought all kinds of death. Even physical death. So yes his physical flesh did return to dust. (Rabbis tell us from historical account that the devil had to train Adam and Eve on how to die, Adam after being sent from the garden was depressed and tried to kill himself many time but God would not allow)

But his flesh is diff from his soul and spirit.

Have you asked yourself why ppl in the old lived much longer than ppl of now.

Even scientists have said that they discovered that the human body is fashioned in a way that it is not supposed to die. That is why at the end we will still receive a new body but a more glorious one. Because us living in the flesh was God's original purpose for man. We need the flesh to li

Forget the Rabbis bro ; God said : " .. YOU return to the ground , for dust YOU are and to dust YOU shall return" , who is the " YOU " ? Adam himself or an ordinary flesh .

Jeromejnr:
Why don't you just work on having a more intimate relationship with the Lord and leave things that will not really help you alone.

If you want answers to your question go and do a deep research on the Greek and Hebrew original texts.

God said Adam will return to dust , is he lying or what ?

CaptainJune:
I liked your post. You are very knowledgeable, my friend. My aim of visiting this thread was to feed my eyes and keep my comment to myself until I saw your comment. Very nice.

There is more to say about this subject but I'm in no mood for argument. Besides, Op has already made up his mind about the possible place Adam is spending his eternity. Seeing that, why waste my comment?

Anyway, it's nice to know you know what many don't know, and don't want to know.

In other words , you reject Genesis 3:19?

Jeromejnr:
It's official name is Sheol Mr Man. And also originally know as paradise.

But later called Abraham's Bosom because he is the Father of faith. And Abraham was declared by God "the possessor of heaven and earth". It was an inheritance. Heb 7:6, Gen 14:19, Rom 4:13- "Clearly, God's promise to give the whole earth to Abraham and his descendants was based not on his obedience to God's law, but on a right relationship with God that comes by faith."

And all who followed in the footsteps of faith as believing Abraham before Jesus went there.

Lol , Official name. Sheol was later named Abraham bossom . e.t.c

Where did you get all this unscriptural details?

Jeromejnr:
It's official name is Sheol Mr Man. And also originally know as paradise.

But later called Abraham's Bosom because he is the Father of faith. And Abraham was declared by God "the possessor of heaven and earth". It was an inheritance. Heb 7:6, Gen 14:19, Rom 4:13- "Clearly, God's promise to give the whole earth to Abraham and his descendants was based not on his obedience to God's law, but on a right relationship with God that comes by faith."

And all who followed in the footsteps of faith as believing Abraham before Jesus went there.

Lol , Official name
Where did you get all this unscriptural details?

Jeromejnr:
I don't know what you said.

But know, that story was not a parable but real.

Abraham's bosom does not mean anything. The place was of comfort.

Scripture : refer to the parable.

A literal Abraham Bossom . Nice .

How could Abel and Noah go to the bossom of Abraham who is not yet born ?

^^ and do u agree with other posts that said ADAM RETURN TO DUST AS STATED IN THE SCRIPTURES ?

Jeromejnr:
Common sense gotten from scriptures.

Which scripture ? Do you agree with the same scripture others had post on this thread which says ADAM RETURN TO DUST ! ? DO YOU ?

No one could enter heaven until Jesus had paid the price.

So all that died went to Sheol. Sheol is divided into two:

Scripture that said sheol is divided into two ?

The place of comfort and the place of Torment. The place of comfort was later called Abraham's Bosom.

Come again ! You mean Abraham Bossom MEANS place of comfort and not a literal Abraham bossom? So are you nw telling us the story is a parable ? Coz you are not taking it literally , rather you are giving it different meanings .

johnw74:
Duh again, "the Word was with God" ..................... and "the Word was God"
but you will never know or believe.

Tell us where the scripture said God and the word are ONE GOD ? U dont know.

Polytheist ; Tell us, who is God praying to ? Another God ?

johnw74:
God and the word is two persons,

Wow again ! You perfectly separate the Word FROM God himself

Wow wow

and God is One.

Self explanatory !

" for us there is One God , The Father "
1cor 8:6

johnw74:
There are two persons in John 1:1, One God
You say God and the Word are two God's

I love the way you separate the Word from God Himself , The last time I checked you said theos with capital " G" is used only for God . And thats why theos in act 28:6 remains " a god" coz paul is not God himself ! So also you separate the Word from God himself .


beautiful .