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johnw74:
What a liar you are.
I accept many Bible translations, I accept the Hebrew texts that were before the Septuagint, and I accept the Septuagint, unlike you I can see where some words are wrongly translated.

Just answer my question:


Can you give birth to something you already possessed ?

johnw74:
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I'm not interested in discussions with unbelievers, I showed you where you are wrong with verse 22 which you have not admitted to and which you rejected John 1:1

@red, What a deceiver you are:

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1st century Septuagint used by Jesus and his apostles said Created !

Modern translation said possessed

Which do u accept ?

Modern translation

This begs the question : CAN YOU GIVE BIRTH TO something you already possess ? A connection with proverb 8:24

johnw74:
Once again Septuagint comes from the Hebrew, but you keep on finding wrong translations to suit your doctrines,
Jesus never quoted any wrong translation like the Septuagint Proverbs 8:22

Try and see things clearly, the whole Septuagint is not a wrong translation, the verse discussed is a wrong translation.

If you believe Jesus is God in the flesh you can call me brother, otherwise I'm not your brother, I'm a Christian.

Wow , Septuagint is wrong translation wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow

Septuagint : a translation used in Jesus Era

Jesus choose septuagint translation over the traditional hebrew translation ( a case study of LXX matthew 21:16 ) .


When you grow up from this delusion , we will discuss .


Meanwhile , my question remain : can you give birth to something you already possessed ? Proverb 8:24 .

When you sincerely answer that question we will see which translation is correct .

johnw74

The Septuagint is a Greek translation of the old testament from the Hebrew which word is "qanah"
but continue in finding wrong translations that suit your doctrines.

You cant deny it that the Septuagint said "kitzo CREATE" ; brother , so Septuagint that Jesus himself quote from is a wrong translation ?


Na wah o .

Great0:
Good question. The word of God is God. His name is Jesus. Are you still confuse.

Alright , Who is God praying to ? .. Another God ?

johnw74:
The LORD possessed me
the Word was with God

WHATEVER you posess is your property , Jesus is therefore a property of God . God owns him . Good


meanwhile , proverb 8:24 declares that "he was brought forth " or " given birth to" (chul) , tell us: how was he given birth to ? Bcoz u cant give birth to something you already possess .

"made" is an English word, it is not in the Septuagint, it's a word translated, [size=25]the Hebrew text had the word "qanah" which can mean create,[/size] buy, own, possess, recover, redeem,

Just as you confess that " qanah" means CREATE , @Proverb 8:22 Septuagint declares Jesus as " kitzo " meaning "CREATE OR MAKE .


Beautiful.

Na wa o , this people don they shift their attention to earth , Earth is now the reward of christians , NOT heaven anymore .

emmyskies:
Udeme did not say satan is an employee of GOD. GOD did not employ anyone to drag people to hell. He that accept the Son of GOD belongs to GOD -John 17:24 whilst them that reject Him and walk not according to His will belong to the devil-John 8:44.

Anyone whose name is not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into hell fire, prepared for the devil and his angels -Matt 25:41

The eye of the LORD is too Holy to behold iniquity as much as heaven is too pure to accommodate sinners, therefore, the devil will come to claim his prize-the soul of sinners.

Tell us , where in the bible is it written that 1) "satan drag people to hell" ?

2) people who die , go to the gate of heaven before been dragged to hell ?

3) why would Jesus told his apostles to be like serpent if that animal is indeed bad ?

4) who deceive eve ? serpent OR SATAN

5) why would God heal the children of isreal with a craved image of SERPENT if its indeed bad ?

Answer .

emmyskies:
Oya follow them answer such name na. Don't say you weren't warned

A heartless being . Its true those who worship a monster god become exactly like him

true2god:
The entire book of proverbs chapter 8 talked about wisdom of God, especially in the area of creation. 'Wisdom', as the writer highlited here, is never symbolic or representative of any physical person as the JW want to make us believe. Read the entire chapter to get a better understading and not lifting a verse and use it as an over-aching verse that nullifies the rest of the over 20 verse.

And if you say 'wisdom' is made or created you are equally wrong, as being peddled in the Jw New world translation. Wisdom is part and parcel of the nature of God. Wisdom (if you want to personalize it as a person of Jesus) have been with God from the beginning.

Can you tell me the time God was without 'Wisdom'?

Okay, proverb 8:22 is talking about literal wisdom , hmm God didnt have wisdom until he made wisdom for himself abi ? Prov 8:22

Since he made literal wisdom , it means There was a time god dont hav wisdom .

When you grow up from dis delusion, we will discuss

lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212, just as rilwayne said, you are not of sound mind, and since i have had encounter with you in the past, i think i agree with him, if i refute your claim you may come up with another rubbish and that will a waste of my time, so i leave you to your confused and deluded mind.

malvisguy is a confuse person, he has confess that Jesus Is Not The True nature of God

johnw74:
God and the word is God
Yet again still more scriptures showing the word-Jesus Christ is God

God said He will not give His glory to another
the Word-Jesus Christ has all the glory of the Father

Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



The Word was with God before God did any works at all

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

The LORD and the Word are Eternal.

MizBlind as a bat will not be able to see it

U are too abusive , she is blind as a bat abi ? bro, na you blind pass .

I) explain to me what you mean by Jesus was possessed/acquired ?

Lets know if u understand the silly translation you are quoting up and down .

johnw74:
John 1, 1-3: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made."

Now if he is not made, but is himself the Maker, he then indeed is God. John also says afterwards: "And the Word became flesh."

Shut up !

The scripture said Jesus was " Made" proverb 8:22 (greek septuagint)

johnw74:
Emusan the above is a wrong bible translation. John 1:1 is another witness to the proper word in Proverbe 8:22 being "possessed" and not "made".


Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you think you can just wake up from sleep and type anything . nonsense

Spotlight on the color part , answer these .

1) just explain to me : what do you mean by Jesus was possessed ? .

Ii ) and do you know that the greek septuagint (a very old translation) which Jesus himself quote and used said " MADE"?

jiggaz:
Yes Apostle Paul said dat and its not contradictory. We will be with the Lord in Heaven during the Great Tribulation on earth. And we will return to the earth with the Lord during the millenial reign of CHRIST. So i don't see what's contradictory here.

Bro, Jesus will also leave heaven and you will together be on earth forever abi ?

jiggaz:
Believers will be caught up in the air with Lord JESUS during the Rapture of the church.... Then after the Great Tribulation, Jesus will return to the world with his Raptured Saints ( thats the Second Coming of CHRIST ) to save the Jews from the anti-christ.... Then after that, the 1000 years millenial reign of Christ will start.

Wait, are u not a Believer Why are u saying you guys?

My point is :

Apostle Paul said once he is caught up to meet the Lord in the air, he will always be with the Lord .

You jiggaz said once you are caught up to meet the Lord in the air , you will later be returned to earth . That means you are not always with the Lord .but only for sometimes

This is contradictory .

jiggaz:
My brother you are misunderstanding @ayoku777. what he was trying to tell u is dat, after the Millennial Reign of CHRIST on earth, Believers will not be goin back to Heaven again. Instead, there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth cos this present earth will pass away. Then, new Jerusalem which is the Great city of God will come down from Heaven...... My brother this new earth we are talking about will be PARADISE, it will be sooo beautiful and perfect, no Sickness or diseases. Its nothing like this present earth we are occupying now. Every Believer then will have an inheritance in New Jerusalem..... That's when Eternity will start and we shall forever be with the Lord. Jesus will be with all of us in New Jerusalem. This great city is 100 times more beautiful than TOKYO in

Let me get your point :
1) you guys will go to heaven for now , but will be deported bak to earth for the millenial reign ?

ayoku777
That's the point I was making; that since the dead can still hear the gospel after death according to 1Peter 4v6; Then our ancestors and all who died before the gospel
got to them are either in heaven or hell, depending on Whether they reject or accept the gospel of Christ after Hearing it in death.
1Peter 4v6 -For for this cause was the gospel preached Also to them that are dead, that they might be judged According to men in the flesh, but live according to God In the spirit.

According to the underlined , todays preaching and sermons are TOTALLY USELESS .

Since The final preaching in death determines where they will go ?, then There is second chance in death ? Wow , anyone can live anyhow yahoo boy, prostitutes e.t.c afterall there is a provision for preaching . And chance to listen later . Todays preaching becomes USELESS ENTIRELY .

But why is it that 4 days dead Lazarus, Mary, Martha, Jesus himself said nothing about this preaching stuff ? ( John 11:11-14) ?

ayoku777
No, our lives on earth determing our glorification and
greatness in the ages to come (millenial reign and eternity). So just accepting the gospel and becoming a heaven- bound christian is good but not good enough or perfect. There is the calling of salvation; and there is the high
calling of service. Salvation determines where you will Spend eternity; but service determines our reward and Greatness in the kingdom. Philippians 3v14 -I press toward the mark for THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING of God in Christ Jesus.

You are still proving it that todays preaching is TOTALLY USELESS .

Forget the grammar ; they lived a bad lifestyle and enjoy life to the full , died and was preached to , then accept the gospel , they made heaven to be with God ? Yes or No .

No, heaven is not the eternal home of the believers. After the millenial reign of Christ with the Church on Earth; we will not go back to heaven. The new Jerusalem (the eternal home of the new creation) will come down
from heaven to earth with the Father. And planet earth will be the universal headquarters of the kingdom of God.
Rev 3v12 -Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, And the name
of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, WHICH COMETH DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN from my God: And I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 2v10 -And he carried me away in the spirit to a Great and high mountain,
And shewed me that great city,
the holy Jerusalem, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God, After the millenial reign on earth, it is not the church that Will go back up; it is the city of God and the saints (the
new Jerusalem) that will come down to earth.
Shalom!

Die , go to heaven and then be deported back to earth . Why would God make you taste heaven only for him to deport you all back to earth ? Confusion grandeur.

What will you say about this ?

Paul said " we shall ALWAYS be with the Lord" . 1 The 4:17

Who is confuse between you both , Paul or Ayoku777 ?

malvisguy212:
and...

Stop been dishonest , Nice write up which you copied and paste from http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notkill.html

Next time , include the source .

islandprincess:
Uhmm,,, dont bother urself abt dat. Jst do ur own part to make heaven. Liv our ancestors to God

She should not bother abi ? So what happen to " love your neighbour as yourself" .

You are too selfish .

I like the Op , she has human feelings

Bacteriocin:
If they served God to the best of their knowledge, Heaven straight

Hmm , Jesus is not important abi ?

ayoku777:
Atleast those who hear the gospel in death will still make heaven, if they accept it; even though they were never vessels through which the kingdom is being advanced on earth (which has its reward in the age to come).

But making heaven is still very very important. It is eternally better than going to the lake of fire.

Brother , your response on this thread is totally OFF - TOPIC

The Op asked : where are our anscestors who had died ? You started saying gospel is preached to them !

I) Where are they ? Thats the question

Ii) since there is provision to preach for the dead , everyone can use their lives anyhow since preaching continue afta death , isnt it ?

Iii ) you also said God kingdom will be established on earth ! Empty earth , How ? Aftrall the goal of many christians is to make heaven not earth . Explain pls .

milkymesh:
All I saw are humans with fleshly body. Will those in hell still have body that has already decayed in the grave?
Does the punishment received equal the sin committed.
All I see is a display of crass wickedness by a supposedly just god.
I doubt if god is wicked as the proponent of hell represent him to be.

Woowwwww , I thought I was the only one that noticed that all they depict are humans with a fleshly body . Lol nice question @ bold

Wow , u cant answer any my questions . Alright

CaptainJune

I know your kind. You're one of those who preach eternal security

False assumption

and eternal love of God that can never condemn anyone in hell.

" God is LOVE" 1joh 4:8 and LOVE is the GREATEST .

. Hell is a reality, a real place somewhere in the spiritual realm where souls who find themselves there are doomed for all eternity. The Bible talks about hell, old testament and new testament. The bible talks about a rich man in hell and also about God condemning the unbelievers and sinners in hell. Be wise.

A rich man in Hade's or a rich man in hell ? .. Its clear its a parable coz a man stays in his grave and return to dust .

Tell me somtin , are u saying that rich MAN is a ghost entity ? a ghost is thirsty/drinks water .


He is just like u call him 'a MAN not a ghost . The destination of every MAN is dust ( Gen 3:19)

tyuhd:
Of course God said Adam would return to the grave. Before answering your objection.

You have answered already . The bold statement said it all

Anas09:
[s]Truth is, Satan has his crowd. No matter what any one says or does, some people have the seal of Satan on them, just like Apts Paul said he had a make of Christ in him.
The Parable of the wheats and Tares Explains it all. They were planted in the church, then they left. they know even more about the Church things, not because they need it to benefit from it, but to use it to drag fibble minds down. Just check how the seeds of Satan rushes to malign anything that's Christ's on the NL. They r always here. That's because they r on a mission. I only feel for the babies in Christ.
All eyes shall see Him even those who pieced Him. I keep saying, I may not make it to heaven when he returns, but he will return, when that happens, none will be able to escape. If u were dead, you shall rise.
Shoudnt even the fufilment of Bible prophets tell you that this things are true. Has satan so seared ur mind to the [/s]

Miss hellfire, did Adam went to hell ?

Anas09:
[s]Truth is, Satan has his crowd. No matter what any one says or does, some people have the seal of Satan on them, just like Apts Paul said he had a make of Christ in him.
The Parable of the wheats and Tares Explains it all. They were planted in the church, then they left. they know even more about the Church things, not because they need it to benefit from it, but to use it to drag fibble minds down. Just check how the seeds of Satan rushes to malign anything that's Christ's on the NL. They r always here. That's because they r on a mission. I only feel for the babies in Christ.
All eyes shall see Him even those who pieced Him. I keep saying, I may not make it to heaven when he returns, but he will return, when that happens, none will be able to escape. If u were dead, you shall rise.
Shoudnt even the fufilment of Bible prophets tell you that this things are true. Has satan so seared ur mind to the [/s]

Miss hellfire , did Adam went to hell ?

CaptainJune:
Mehn, you are deceived to think that God is only a God of love. He is also a consuming fire. Sodom and Gomorrah, the world during the time of Noah, Pharaoh and the Egyptians during the time of Moses, Ananias and Saphira, King Herod, and so many many more were examples of God's wrath. Hell is real.

Brainwashed ! Did scripture go ahead to say the people of sodom and Gomorah died and went to hellfire ? Did it ? Uhm , did it ? Ask urself : did i read that Ananias and Saphira died and went to hellfire or it just my imaginations ?

Is there anything like King Herod went to hellfire after his death in the scriptures ? Is there anything like pharaoh and the egyptians drown in the sea after which they were taken to hellfire ?

Answer those questions.

tyuhd:
The bible never told us.if adam went to Heaven or not.so why the hasty generalisation? and besides it isn't certain the eternal destiny of adam till the last day.

Let me help you : To where did God said Adam will RETURN when he dies ?

The Serpent is not an enemy of God , even Jesus advise his followers to be cautious as serpents , isnt it ? You guys are all brainwashed for beliveing this fake story .

SATAN is the enemy of GOD Not his innocent creature , the serpent .

emmyskies:
So true . You could imagine. Yet a strategy from the devil many have fallen into. Making them feel comfortable and complete doing the wrong thing, thinking they're on track en-route heaven. Our names matters a lot. It matters as much as it is an integral part of our salvation. Only those that are spirit-led knows this.

GOD bless you bro

Stop displaying lack of knowledge , alot of christians bear names that is affliated with their native gods . E.g in yoruba land , 96% in yoruba land bear names like IFAyemi sunday , OgUNgbemi akeem , OSOrounke e.t.c lol , i guess they will be cast into a fictional hell for bearing names with the native gods Ifa and OGUN ?

emmyskies:
Knock yourself out man, but be sure to cut yourself some slack:
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)
"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. " (John 10:9-11)

Just Answer my question : is Satan an employee of God as udeme claim in his story ?