maclatunji:

It is not a dogma, it is a legitimate question. Bamidele Bukola could be a Muslim, but the I wouldn't know until I ask him or see him practise Islam. However, if I see Idris Bamidele Bukola, I know at the very least, he has a Muslim background.

maclatunji:
When someone starts answering questions solely with questions, I know it is time to let them remain where they are, they simply have little or no intention to change.

maclatunji:
I wonder if any self respecting Muslim will bear the name "Esubiyi" which is very Yoruba name. Would name your child with that name going by your argument that "the name you bear is insignificant." #Kai See #Argument.

This is a very interesting thread.

babyosisi: So here's the irony: Google ranks Pakistan No. 1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in the world in searches per person for certain sex-related content.
Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for "horse sex" since 2004, "donkey sex" since 2007, "rape pictures" between 2004 and 2009, "rape sex" since 2004, "child sex" between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, "animal sex" since 2004 and "dog sex" since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.
The country also is tops -- or has been No. 1 -- in searches for "sex," "camel sex," "rape video," "child sex video" and some other searches that can't be printed here.
Google Trends generates data of popular search terms in geographic locations during specific time frames. Google Insights is a more advanced version that allows users to filter a search to geographic locations, time frames and the nature of a search, including web, images, products and news.
Pakistan ranked No. 1 in all the searches listed above on Google Trends, but on only some of them in Google Insights.
“We do our best to provide accurate data and to provide insights into broad search patterns, but the results for a given query may contain inaccuracies due to data sampling issues, approximations, or incomplete data for the terms entered,” Google said in a statement, when asked about the accuracy of its reports.
The Embassy of Islamic Republic of Pakistan did not reply to a request for an interview.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/#ixzz2JlNvHvah

vedaxcool:

Learn to read and understand what people are saying before you cherry pick, as I CLEARLY pointed out that el rufia retweet is wrong, I really have no use for your respect!

vedaxcool:

vedaxcool: ^
I don't live in el rufia brains to know how his thought pattern works, I see hypocrisy in all this chants, as why haven't christians condemn the christian who originally tweeted the comment? Secondly even if el rufia did retweeted it had it been about prophet Muhammad pbuh, it would have gone unnoticed just as a lot of insulting and blasphemous comments go unnoticed on NL, despite the 1 million users! So really my yawning still stands!

maclatunji:

I am not saying they don't or won't (actions and deeds) but it is also an undeniable fact that Arabic is the formal language used in Islam. This does not make all Muslims Arabs neither does it make all Arabs Muslims. It is possible to be Hassan al-Arabiyy and not be Muslim. However, it would be odd to be Cassius Clay as a Muslim without having any Muslim name in the mix. The question anybody would ask (even Non-Muslims) is: Are you not proud to be a Muslim?

maclatunji:

This is funny. We have what we call 99 Names of Allah. Truthfully, as a Muslim, do these names have any value to you? If they do, how do they compare to Olohun or Eledumare in Yoruba?

maclatunji:
I could reverse the argument of this your very shallow submission and say:

Without a Muslim name or "Arab Name" as you choose to call it, You have officually "stopped being" Muslim.

I would like to see you prove that your submission is correct and mine that follows the same logic is incorrect.

vedaxcool: ^
I don't live in el rufia brains to know how his thought pattern works, I see hypocrisy in all this chants, as why haven't christians condemn the christian who originally tweeted the comment? Secondly even if el rufia did retweeted it had it been about prophet Muhammad pbuh, it would have gone unnoticed just as a lot of insulting and blasphemous comments go unnoticed on NL, despite the 1 million users! So really my yawning still stands!

Discordia:
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Kill over a retweet , well that would have been the stup¡dest thing they couldve done.

Kay 17: Mr joe

Can you lock your child in an oven for stealing an orange?

maclatunji:

I am getting your position now but you are getting it wrong by stating that using Muslim first names is losing your identity to Arabs. That would be correct if names as 'mac bin tunji' were pervasive amongst Yoruba people. Islam is a total concept and nothing identifies you as a Muslim more than your first name.

maclatunji:
You see Muslims calling themselves Abubakar after Abu Bakr, have you seen any Muslim name Abu Jahl or Abu Lahab?

I still say you are insecure. Yes, use your traditional names but this your theory screams out that you are personally insecure about your religion.

maclatunji:
I guess by your logic, Herbert Macaulay and Henry Carr stopped being Yoruba men because of their English names.

onetrack:

There is been some amazing poetry and literature produced by humans which exceeds that of the Quran. In my opinion.

onetrack:

The problem is that Khan claims that ancient Arabic is somehow overwhelmingly complex, but does not say why it is important. Classical Latin is also extremely complex, which is why western scientists preferred to use Latin as their primary language of expression up until 400 years ago. But so what. And ultimately it is a matter of opinion as to the quality of poetry. In English, the Quran is not beautiful. It is repetitive, boring, and menacing.

The problem of the Quran being 'revealed' to Muhammad is that the history of the time period was not written down until 150 years after Mo's death. This is not reliable history. Storytellers are human beings and they are quite capable of changing, adding, or subtracting from what really happened. This is hardly an effective method for a god to use to get people to believe him, especially skeptics. Using a strict historiographical approach, this is completely unreliable history. In addition there are no surviving alternate viewpoints of Muhammad, i.e. people who did not believe him. We don't know what they might have had to say.

Billyonaire: Let us reason together says the Lord. I was scared when I was a kid of Hell fire; many adults are still scared today of hell fire, but none of the people who get scared actually spend a time in their life to truthfully, and scientifically reason the possibilities and impossibilities of eternal fire. Now, the real question is; When we die, our consciousness shifts from our physical perishable, combustible physical vehicle (body) to an ethereal soul body that can not be affected by fire, which is actually a physical energy that converts physical matter to vapor. FIRE CAN NOT HAVE EFFECT ON SOUL BODY. So why are people afraid of Hell, when in essence, Spirits as Soul cant be burnt, cant be destroyed, cant feel pains ? Well, I shall talk about Heaven another day, but never again should a man be scared of something without thinking - I guess millions worldwide who are scared of hell have questions to ask me and I am waiting.....Do dare tell me another fairytale story that human corpse that decayed in the numerous graves will become physical again, cos that will be very unscientific and stupid.

wiegraf:

At what?

maclatunji: OP, I am guessing your surname is also 'seen' as "Arabic" such as 'Lawal', 'Thanni' and the likes.

maclatunji:
I think you are just an insecure individual.

maclatunji:
I use virtually all my names. Even some people call me other names that are not mine.

I have this neighbour that calls me 'Biodun', that is not my name. For some reason she cannot remember any of my names whether it is Arabic, Yoruba or Chinese. I just respond and laugh within myself anytime she does so.

Logicboy03: I go this idea from looking at a picture on reddit;





Note that there are conjoined twins.

For those who believe in souls from God (which there is no evidence of), you would have to believe that God made a mistake of putting two souls into one body or that the conjoined twins share a soul.

Also then think about hell. If they share a soul or body, how would justice be done if one rejected god and the other accepted god? There is only one soul and so, where would it be put?


If there are two souls, you would then have to accept that god makse mistakes because souls are not a product of eveolution but by god. You would have to accept that god makes mistakes. Now if there are two souls in one body, which soul takes the blame for the body having premarital sex? Or having an abortion?
Do both souls get punished or does one always take the fall? Does it alternate?

Furthermore, you would have to revise your soul theory (for 2 souls) to reduce the soul to be a function of the brain/mind because that is what separates the twins in this case. Furthermore, you would also admit that the soul can leave the body while the body is still alive because one twin might dies still leaving the other alive.

maclatunji: ^Hehehehe... Interesting stuff.

honey001: I still don't know why u people still argue with all these atheists........ Why can't you leave them in their ignorance..... The only help will can render to them is to go to our closet on our kneels and pray to our God on their behalf so they won't miss it on that last day....... Enough of all this e-arguments. They are only interested in making disciples here, but God will not allow dat. I personally have known the truth and nobody can draw me back, if u like call me a servant, all I want is to be with my God forever in eternity.
I have never argued on this forum, and will not start with this thread. All I want from my brothers and sisters who believe in the existence of God almighty is to continue praying for all these atheists that God will touch their hearts, God has changed some of them before, and these ones on Nairaland will not be an exception because nothing is to hard for my God.


God bless.

wiegraf: More...
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html


The clown
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Drosnin

onetrack:

He says that classical Arabic is complicated because ancient Arabic poets say it is, and anyone who is not a classical Arabic scholar should not question that. Since none of us are classical Arabic scholars, we are in no position to be able to challenge that. fallacy = Appeal to authority

onetrack:
He says that the truth of the Quran is proven just by the numbers of non-Arabs who converted. fallacy = appeal to popularity

onetrack:
He starts with an assumption that the Quran was 'revealed' in its complete form by Muhammad....there is no evidence of this since the first Quran was not written down until years after his death. Fallacy = begging the question

Logicboy03:



What claims? Abeg commot for road. Islam has produced nothing but failure. Call me when a sharia society has produced a free country with a human rights

Logicboy03:


Nothing divine about the QuraN

ifeness:

The Quran is well known today because a lot people didicate their lives to reading it everyday( just like the bible). Yet it doesnt do any good to humanity,but rather is a cause of millions of death,racism ,segregation,inferiority complexes etc- these i can prove! I do not need to know if it is a fictitious work or not. Even some episodes of tom and jerry can teach you not to be greedy!

Haven said that, i am of the opinion that humans no longer need all these books to live well. Let us all make mistakes and learn from them,simple!

Logicboy03:



Same feeling here

onetrack:

I watched 20 minutes of the video. I stopped after he committed his third logical fallacy (begging the question, appeal to authority, and appeal to popularity). No need to watch the rest, you don't have to eat the whole apple to know it's rotten.

ifeness:

The quran is 100% a work of delusion. Everything there is for the purpose of manipulating humans..

Look at the way babies and young kids are being flogged and forced to bow down to some idiot god. How can you call that freedom?

It is easier to brainwash but extremely difficult to liberate the minds of slaves......even if they reincarnate,they will probably still be slaves.

Logicboy03:



I cant waste my time to watch pure islamic videos anymore. I prefer to watch debates on islam with an atheist vs muslim. That is better because we hear from both sides.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rOn4vYwa0w

Logicboy03:



What facts? Please? Name them? I watched 5 mins and the end and 5 mins at the beginning of the video. Total nonsense.

Logicboy03:



The whole video where your guy is talking about the greatness of Quranic Arabic. How foolish. I am not an Arab slave like you. If your God truly exists and is all powerful, you really think that he speaks one langauge (Arabic)?



Or if your Allah had any sense, his words would have easily been sent around in many languages. But no, we are left with some archaic form of Arabic in which the Quran can only be reasonably understood. If anyone has a problem with the Quran, they are told to try to understand Arabic or meet someone versed in the Quran and Arabic. Reeks of Arab slavery to me.

When it is time, you will soon go and face the Arab land of Mecca 5 times a day like an Arab slave. The same Arabs that spread islam by conquering your African ancestors and enslaving many of them.

ifeness:
If i appeared to moses and Mohamed with a mobile phone and ipad. They certainly would bow down and worship me.

ifeness:
How would you know you are not being brain washed anyway? The moment you were born,allah was whispered into your ears out of ignorance. You need to learn how to fix yourself.

Logicboy03:


That crappy guy on youtube? Mtchew