BetaThings:

I have stumbled upon this



It should matter what you think of others
But it does not matter what people think of you
Your admirers must be happy

what you think of me does not affect me. admiring someones zeal is not a crime or is it? vedaxcool was being deceitful,and i did not call him a hypocrite.

BetaThings:
BTW it was very very wrong for El Rufai to have mocked anything related to any Prophet (PBUT)

Good

BetaThings:
However, I recall that a Christian went to UI to disrupt Jumat service. What happened?

there's no justification my friend.stop looking for excuses.

BetaThings:
I will not kill anyone because of tweets denigrating Islam but some people would. Is it not better to also appeal to our friends to stop taunting muslims.

Muhammad was taunted more,yet he did not kill. what makes you feel you can protect islam better than ALLAH?

BetaThings:

BTW - your posts have been very revealing and any lingering doubt is removed

Good.

nect: You speak as an ignorant Muslim because you don't know that there is no racism (asabiyyah) in Islam. Unfortunately, you are attempting to create it. Remember, Allah has chosen Arabic as the language everyone (Muslims and non-Muslims alike) will speak when we are dead. Are you going to speak Yoruba then too?

if by saying the truth you label me ignorant,then so be it. i will always say the truth.

nect:
You must love Arabic for 3 reasons:
(1) it is the language of the Qur'an (Allah himself speaks it)
(2) it is the language of the Prophet (SAW)
(3) it is the language we are all going to speak in our graves.

mind backing your ambiguous claims from the quran?
read this

afam4eva:


The OP wants to know why Muslims see the need to bear Arabic names and some people went ahead to say that it's so that they can be identified as Muslims. My argument is that Arabic names and Muslim names are not the same thing. Kelechi can be a Muslim name and can mean "Thank Allah". As long as it's been used in the Islamic context, then it can be considered to be a Muslim name.

nect:
As for naming, Muslims should name their children from any of these three (3) sources in Islam:
(1) Attributes of Allah eg Abdul Gafar, Abdul Hakeem, etc
(2) the Prophet's names/attributes eg: Muhammad, Sodiq, etc
(3) other Prophets and companions of the Prophet (SAW) eg: Musa, Isah, Ibraheem, Nuhu, Adam, Muadh, Umar, Abu Bakri, Uthman, Alli, etc

i prefer it in my dialect.

nect:
So where do you now find Bamidele or Kolawole, Olajide (my own names) as role models for Islamic identity?

there are countless role models outside arab.are you that myopic?

nect:
You also know that Islam has its own culture different from the culture of the Arabs too. Some of it can be similar to it or any other culture of the world, including the Yoruba that you want to be promoting. And it can be different from them!

The cornerstone of Islamic culture is morality (hayaa)and simplicity. Hayaa (morality / modesty) and simplicity are both qualities of Imaan. Thus the true Islamic society upholds the highest levels of morality and maintains simplicity in every aspect
now i dont need arabic names to withhold those
Can you now understand?

aseju: OP, your post is spot on.
When it says give beautiful names on the naming ceremony day, it is allowing for expression, feelings, gratitude for the bundle of joy given.
It can be such as given thanks to the Almighty in my language, eg Oluwaseun. Do I have to go looking for that in arabic language? I dont think so.
It is even getting confusing with interpretation. Al-Gafar or Gafar, for example some will say no to it because it is exclusively Gods attribute, the sole giver of forgiveness. (it has to be Abdul Gafar etc) Express yourself as the occasion calls for, afterall another attribute of his is all-hearing (Al Samiu). The name does not make one a muslim spiritually. It may to the outside world.
The arabic speak in sermons and writings are another. Dont tell me qadr, deen, khutuba etc. Tell me in English, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa or whatever you are communicating with. Is that what make one a muslim or just a show off. What does saying "Niyat" mean? Why cant I say my intention in my language? I have seen too many instances of that with the clerics giving different variations of which they expect the follower to cram. You want to pray, fast, or sacrifice, I will say the intention freely in my language. I am with you OP.

i am glad not all muslims are defaulf.

murtalaa: @Poster

If you think you will get a pat from these bigots on NL you are sadly mistaken. You will never get anything short of ridicule. let me tell you why you should be proud of your Arabic name: 1. Our beloved prophet was an Arab 2. Qur'an was revealed in Arabic 3. Arabic would be the language of the hereafter.If you don't find these reasons enough to be proud of your Arabic name then you have no besiness identifying yourself as muslim. When people mistake you for hausa, does that implies that you are loosing your identity to Arab? when have Hausas become Arabs?

Are you saying ALLAH understands only arabic on the day of reckoning? so if i dont understand arabic i would be mute that day abi?
back up your ambiguous claims from the quran.
mr Islam is a universal language,arabic is just a tunnel for conveying the divine message of Allah.simple.

Mr4tunate: wat springs up a topic of ds nature is serious vague to my understanding. Having an Islamic name nd using it a d first name shudnt b a big deal. If a joseph or paul will answer d name with great happiness even if hebrew is n more d official christian language, then just y r we complaining of loosing our identity to d arabs? do u even knw dat so many arabs av to change dr names wen embracing islam? dat tells u hw significant a good name is in ds deen. Do u knw dat its mandatory dat one gives one child a beautiful name nd dat d prophet of Allah prefers d names of Allah, d prophets, d sahaabahs nd other beautiful names in dat order?

are there no beautiful names in your dialect? why do you place so much emphasis in Arabic?

Mr4tunate:
And most important of all, do u really think ds avenue is d ryt place for ds kinda topic? Eni ti a fe sunje to tun fi epo para, hw pathetic?

there is no secret in Islam. and yes this is the best place to address this issue

ayinba1:

The Prophets that you named, (pbut) were all muslims.
So yes, those are muslim names, very muslim names, in fact, you forgot to add Isa and Maryam. The fact that they are Arab or not Arab names does not change the fact that they are muslim names.

like Afam rightly spotted, Kelechi,chidi,olanrewaju can all be muslim names abi?

Olushyna: I just imagine how some people reason. Go to ur alfa and ask wat the holy prophet say about dis ur post. You are just ordinary muslim. U av no knowledge about ur religion.

Typical example of a default muslim... Always going to the alfa,why you use your brain in sending sms and pings.
Epic fall

BetaThings:
It does matter very much that a "muslim" is called a hypocrite and he keeps quiet. It speaks a lot
Who is a convinced muslim? Who is a default muslim? Who makes you the judge of that

Read my thread on nairaland then draw your conclusion

donroxy:
I am contradicting the Op.....

There is difference between Indigenous name and religion Name..... !!!

If u vault muslims for taking up Arabic indigenous names(not Islamic) names.....it is understandable......!!!

The Op failed to distinguished between Arab indigenous name and Islamic names he(Op) even said there is nothing like ''Islamic names'' which is IGNORANCE!!!



Not all Arab is muslim and not all muslim is arab!!!


If ISLAM emanate from Igboland and Prophet(saw) is an Igboman and God communicated with Him(saw) in Igbo........thus Giving HIS(God) names in Igbo which is scripturally documented and also enjoined All adherents to bear such BEAUTIFUL names..... !!!


Then, why shd I not have CHUKWU-EBUKA has my Religion name!!! Which thus doesn't mean am paying Homage to Igboland but my God!!!


@Op
Most Islamic names were not bear by Arabs before the advent of Islam.......come and argue it Op!!!


Let that Op come and tell me the Number of Arab that were bearing Abdul Gaffar ,abdul Qodir et all before the advent of Islam!!!


Islam is Totality if u can drop the Belief of ur Culture,Heritage,Norms.....forefathers then Drop the Names too!!

Am saying all the above cuz Op claimed a muslim if He is a Christian....it is gonna be another dimension entirely!!!

The only culture I can let go is one that's contrary to islamic teachings. But saying I should let go of my heritage to embrace arabic heritage is crazy..
You have lost it

maclatunji:

They do, a lot!

Is there any such thing as Islamic Name

maclatunji:

Tell me about it. Your name says so much about you and can be a great reflection of the things you hold dear. OP got things mixed-up when he mistook his desire to be known as Yoruba above anything else as some sort of "superior enlightenment" over other Yoruba Muslims who would like to be Muslims above every other thing.

You don't surprise anymore.. Your logic is flawed

BetaThings:

@Justaqad
I believe that you are convinced enough to know that you have been called a hypocrite
Over to you!
Answer the charge, Doing at at the level of a default muslim will even suffice
We are waiting!

Does it matter what you think of me?
I am a convinced muslim... Is that not enough?read all my topics and post then draw your conclusion.

BetaThings:

You say you are a convinced (not default) muslim, what innovation BTW
You know what Allah does
So what is the position of Allah on naming people?
A default muslim knows it let alone a convinced Muslim
So, out with it. Tell

I see you are loosing it

ayinba1:


Wrong question. The post was in response to the question below.

Good try. You seem hell bent on misleading others which is really shameful.

You are the one misleading people


You said this

ayinba1:
Muslims with understnding know that on the Final Day, your identity that is most important is Religious and nothing else. So do I want to be a muslim on the day of judgement Or do I want to be Yoruba?

And you think its your name that would distinguish you on the day of reckoning? Allah looks at the heart of men... Your deeds and actions would identify you as a muslim,not arabic nomenclature

BetaThings:
Any ahadeeth to back up your contention?
Deeds are not in contention. But saying that they are enough in this respect needs to be backed by some text
You have one to support your argument

As for people "reasoning" here, please we are discussing religion. Our deeds and thoughts are regulated by revelation on this matter.
Please it adds nothing to the discussion asking us to use our brain. When there are clear texts, we submit. If there is no guidance, we resort to analogies.

Oh my God.....
Lol

ayinba1:

Good question.
Muslims with understnding know that on the Final Day, your identity that is most important is Religious and nothing else. So do I want to be a muslim on the day of judgement Or do I want to be Yoruba?

So if I bear chidi on the day of reckoning I would be confused for a non muslim?
Subhanalahi
Hehehehehehehehehehe

Afam4eva:
So, why were you created as a Yoruba and not as a Muslim.

Yes, a muslim name can identify you as a muslim but i didn't say an Arabic name. Chinedu can be a muslim name if it's my name and i'm a muslim.

Can't believe a chrsitain is saying this...
Thumbs up

ayinba1:

Identity! Repeat identity!

If your first name is "tunde", there is no guarantee that your deeds and actions will be better/more muslim than if it were "hassan" and vice versa. Brother, you are trying to loop the logic. Your original post stipulated that using a non Yoruba / islamic/arabic name is losing your identity to Arabs. The focus should be on that.

Again, Identity.

We can reserve "deeds and actions" that identify you as a muslim for a new thread. But stay the course on this one.

Did we lose our identity to the Brits when we adopted English as our lingua franca? Okay, we lost 80% to them based on your viewpoint, the remaining 20% to France since French is our second official language.
I do wonder though if you have other personal issues with your identity overLl. Just wondering because this does not add up.

What in God's name is wrong with you people.stop making it an islamic thing.
I have cited numerous instance why your first name should be your tribal.read my posts.

Afam4eva:
How about "be visible Yoruba or not". Why does your religious affiliation have to be obvious and not your cultural affiliation. Why do you need someone to know you're a Muslim through your name?

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe
Muslims by name...
Heheheheheheheheheheheheheh

ayinba1:

And this is where the contention lies. If a yoruba man says "myname is Olatunde" you do not know if he is Muslim, Christian or Pagan. With an Islamic name, the muslim damned all odds and stated " I am a muslim". It is a matter of choice. Be a visible muslim OR not.

Not bearing a muslim name does not make you less of a muslim, IMO, but having a muslim name DOES NOT make you lose your culture.

Let your deeds and actions identify you as a muslim...its most honourable.

Afam4eva: @OP
I understand your sentiments and i agree wholly with you. Christianity and Islam are both foreign languages that were imported into our domain. There's nothing wrong in being part of any of these religions, but in doing so, it should not be at the detriment of our own nativity. We have to learn not to make religion imperialistic in nature. The name "Olatunde" can be a Christian name or a muslim name depending on who is bearing it. In Igbo Mythology, "Chukwu" or "Chineke" used to be used to refer to deities but today because Igbos are mostly Christians, it is used to refer to the God of Christians and still being used by traditional worshippers.

Hope they will heed

seunajia:

Well, that's an aberration, I know so many Yoruba muslims who go by that name. Exactly that spelling.

Anyway, whether we know more Yorubas or Hausas with that name does not make it less Islamic

Can the OP please address my post now?

What?

seunajia:

Read again:


The problem with you is that of approach, you are a muslim, state your point and move on. It is well bro

apologies

seunajia:

Abubakar is another way of writing Abu Bakr. It's not an Hausa name.



I could have been wrong, But I thought we were having an intelligent discussion here and not attacking personalities?

there is no insult,just an advice
besides you called me mischievous

Anvaller:

Well I really don't see where God has placed any emphasis on us not to identify with our identity as long as it does not contradict basic principles of God. Do u really think it would make any difference in the eyes of God if u prefer to say As salam alaykun and some body else says peace be unto you and I say Ki ike Oluwa wa pelu e.. Are u saying God will strike the 2 other statements off and disregard them because it was not uttered in Arabic? Or that God would assume that the 2 others were not muslims?

I think the point being made here is to let ppl know that all these arabic names are not as important as they were coerced to believe and this is not what determines ur credibility as a muslim.. so if any one still want to go ahead then its fine. At least you would by then know that ur muslim name doesnt make u a better muslim u only love that name for personal reasons.

subhanalahi you said it all.
can you read mind?lol

snakova: Allah revealed the qur'an in arabic for a reason, just like the injeel (original bible )was in hebrew. So, it is commendable to have an islamic com arabic name, but it doesnt negate your right to have a tribal name.

total rubbish. jack smith can be a better muslim than Abubakar Razaq. be proud of your heritage as arabs are so proud of theirs

tpia@:
seriously, when did yorubas start bearing abubakar?

no offence to anyone with the name, it just sounds strange to me.


i'd assume the bearer would be hausa.

seunajia: Something tells me the OP is not a muslim. I shouldn't say this based on his opinion, but I'm as human as they come. Allah knows His worshipers.

The OP and some of the mischievous people applauding him messed up the beautiful thread. What I got from his initial post is this: OP prefers having his native name as his first name. Which I think is fine.

But to say bearing Islamic names make you less yoruba is not true. Your Islamic name is your identity. I like to write my name in full. It screams at you, he's a muslim

Whether you now arrange it as:

i. Abubakar Omobowale Balogun, or

ii. Omobowale Abubakar Balogun is your cup of tea.

On a lighter note, the OP should stop wearing suits or writing in English so he doesnt lose his identity

there is no such thing as islamic name.my actions and deeds will identify me
you knwow what makes me a proud muslim?
I AM A CONVINCED MUSLIM. not a default muslim like you. use your brain

donroxy: @Topic
Allah has 99names in the Quran......If Op belief in Allah,he will Belief in the Quran.....Allah called himself different 99names.........if I therefore decided to give my son/daughter One of Allah 99names......whats the problem of Op!!! Muslims are enjoined to give their Children Names of Allah,Mohammed,Sahabah....... And U re not ''compelled'' to give this names but only ''enjoined''........!!!


The names u give ur child identify what he/she associate with religiously,yoruba names suggest,she is a Yoruba......Islamic/arabic names(whatever u call it) suggest,she is a muslim!!!


Allah did not say,in d Quran, that ......He is ''Babatunde'' nor ''Oye-labi''...... Nor ''Owoniyi''...... He(swt) call Himself(swt) ''Gafur'','Kabir'', ''Qodir'' et all!!!...... And Good Muslim is enjoined to associate with Allah and His names!!!


@Op
Ki lo de, iwo nikan ko ni Yooba...... Ma pe Aja lobo fun wa joor(u can't confuse us).......Adisi le,Rikishi,Ote ati Tembelekun......Hypocrite!!!

gush..... smh for you

hadbak: I'm a sis not a bro. Of cus I don't expect u to love any root more than yours. We are talking of the quran n messenger's root hia n u categorised dat as some root?..c'on ur smarter than tis now.

i love the quran,dont misunderstand me. i can be a better muslim by bearing olanrewaju than Razaq.olanrewaju is my identity. muslims should be identified by deeds and actions like the prophet Muhammad (saw) not names.

maclatunji:

And stop trying to prove that you have superior reasoning to we Muslims that love our Arabic names, this thread just proves that you are confused. In one instance, you are saying "no Arabic for first names", in another, you are trying to prove that "Barack" which is related to not only "Mubarak" as "Muhammad" is to "Ahmad" but effectively a modified "Arabic" name is actually African.

OP, keep your insecurities to yourself. You can only impress many non-Muslims with all of this and every sincere Muslim knows that Islam is not about that at all.

truly you troll when you have been wiped pretty bad
*superior arab mentality in display*