achi4u: hahaha! my brother I love ur stance on this issue....stick to ur root and be proud.

Just like some christians naming their children Isreal...chei!

same issue. we should learn to stick to our certain cultural heritage. imagine honorable tbaba not having any tribal names just arabic.gush

aribisala0:
So because someone is different from YOU,THE GREAT YOU, in how they see the world or react to events they are "INSECURE"

Look at your post and see how many times you refer to YOURSELF. This thread is NOT about YOU

I see nothing insecure in what he posted but a lot of that in YOU!! Your first words are direct and disrespectful clearly indicating a lack of self respect and disregard for others. you are the one with BIG ISSUES

*standing ovation*

Logicboy03:




I'll let this one slide since, I have been enjoying you tame Vedaxcool and Maclatunji

wtf.
let it slide?lol

toba: Logicboy will surely get the bible to defend his belief

lol
dawkins chapter 86:23-25
23: and behold a great eruption at the east of the universe
24: the earth rumbling as big bang exploded
25: and humans evolved.

Offering Time.

MacDaddy01:


No need to explain yourself......Vedaxcool is just looking for cheap points. That what he does after being debunked.

lol.

musKeeto:
And the intense dislike you're garnering from NLanders will continue to increase as long as you hide stuff you hate to read...

vedaxcool:

www.nairaland.com/1183999/simple-problem-why-belief-hell/1#14156879

Funny stuff there

I WAS TRYING TO CREATE HUMOR IN AN ALREADY DRIED THREAD. MY BAD HE DIDNT SEE IT.
I AM GLAD YOU APPRECIATED IT

vedaxcool:
Lol mr. Embarrassment! How do we make your 'embarrassness' less embarrassing than the word embarrassment that is if your keyboard is not embarrassing! Lol

REALLY WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE YOU.

tbaba1234:

Your adab in relating with people online is not the best. There are so many things you say that are inappropriate and should not be coming from a muslim. It is not to put you down but i am been straight with you.

You need to learn to speak better.

i see no wrong in how i presented my case. arabic names have become a norm in our society. especially among nigerian muslims.
mind outlining the things i said that are inappropriate?

tbaba1234:
Untrue, people from across the world bear arabic names. There are probably more non-arabs bearing arab names than the total population of arabia. If i hear an arab name, The first assumption is that the person is muslim not arab. Pakistanis, Indians, malaysians, Turks etc ...

So no, hearing an arab name identifies you more as a muslim than an arab. Arabic and Islam are not separable.

it has become a norm amongst muslims,that bearing arabic names makes you more muslim.

tbaba1234:
No, they are not on the level of the people. i mentioned

If you truly understood the struggles those people made for the deen you profess, then you will not say this.

true they are not on the same level, but there are africans worthy of emulation.even afrians dont revere them.

tbaba1234:

Actually, more than that... Every muslim should study some arabic because you would understand Allah's book better that way. Translations do not do the Quran justice at all. Allah's words can not be fully translated.

what interests me in studying Arabic is solely for the purpose of worship. not their life style.

tbaba1234:
Where did you get your statistics from?? I am pretty sure, i have seen more reverts than you and you statistics does not hold up. In any case, whether they change their name or not. It is not a big deal.

you can do better than this.stop lying.most muslims reverts adopt arabic names.

tbaba1234:
Again, you come with this shallow thought process... Everyone from my village bears an arabic name and you will find that across the muslim world. No one will mistake you for an arab if you bear an arabic name. There are probably more people bearing arab names than the population of Arabs. Anyone who makes that kind of assumption is probably thinking shallow as well.

@bolded BE SINCERE,HOW MANY NON-MUSLIM ARABS BEAR ARABIC NAMES?i will leave that to you.

tbaba1234:
Besides your example is poor as my passport already indicates my nationality.

at first glance anyone will think you are arab...

tbaba1234:
As regards the larger problems, you will have to look within yourself and do a self-evaluation.

i would never conceal truth because arabs are at stake.

BY THE WAY. ISLAM IS A UNIVERSAL RELIGION NOT AN ARAB THING. IT IS EVIDENT MOST ARAB CULTURE HAS CREPT INTO ISLAM.

REGARDING YOUR ASSUMED LARGER PROBLEM, I ALWAYS ASK ALLAH TO MAKE ME A BETTER MUSLIM. (I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE IT YOUR PRAYER POINT TOO)

vedaxcool:

How dare you laugh in arabic? You are only allowed to laugh in Yoruba, now you just hurt somebody's pride and allowed yourself to be mistaken for an arab! Please modify your post, to reflect my concerns, even though we all hypocritically write in english, we must never be identified as arab, you know we all have english blood flowing down our veins! and truly this is my understanding of justaqad point! Hehehehhehhe

YOU REALLY EMBARRASS ME WHENEVER YOU HIT THE KEYBOARD. WITH YOUR LIKES AT THE HELM OF ISLAMIC AFFAIRS,I FEAR........

maclatunji:

Of course, it is more than expected. The love will continue to blossom as long as he writes stuff you will love to read.

hurt me with truth.
i will never shield truth.your likes will see no wrong in wrongs despite the obvious.you expect me to be a default kinda muslim.that follows everything without questioning?

maclatunji:

Google search of the phrase "Islamic name" yields about 338,000,000 results. Yet, no such thing exists according to you- I laugh in Arabic.

it is a norm.
Allah never sanctioned such.

MacDaddy01:

Vedaxcool is pained.


More grease to your elbow Justaqad!

I KNOW HE IS.not every muslim shares the same view with him.he is ............

in a world where conflict is increasing, a Muslim should be a bridge- builder and a peacemaker. It was due to the Muslim practice of Islamic ideals of respect and tolerance that the key of the holiest Christian Shrine in Jerusalem, the church of the Holy Sepulcher, remains entrusted with a Muslim family, as it has been for over 1400 years.

Muslims are commanded to deal justly and kindly with their non-Muslim neighbors or friends. Therefore, there is nothing wrong in exchanging gifts with them. Muslims are allowed to congratulate non-Muslims on their festive days and this becomes more of an obligation if the non-Muslims offer their greetings on Islamic festive occasions. Allah Almighty says: "When you are greeted with a greeting, greet in return with what is better than it, or at least return it equally…" (An-Nisa’ 4: 86)

Muslims can participate in national celebrations and festivities as citizens of those lands while observing Islamic manners and controls in all matters.

As for joining non-Muslims in celebrating their holidays, i present the fatwa of Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, A Senior Lecturer and an Islamic Scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada

The fatwa states: “Muslims are allowed to partake of the feasts and celebrations of non-Muslims so long as they stay away from their specific religious rituals. While remaining steadfast to their beliefs as Muslims, they are allowed to join them in their feasts in order to reciprocate kindness with kindness. By doing so they may even be helping them remove their misconceptions about Islam being a fanatical religion. So go ahead and participate in their feasts, and let them know the true image of Islam.


Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was so accommodating of Christians that according to the two earliest Islamic historians, Ibn e Saad and Ibn Hisham, the Prophet even allowed a delegation of 60 Byzantine Christians from Najran in Yemen to worship in his own mosque in Madinah. Lead by their bishop (Usquf), they had come to discuss a number of issues with him. When time of their prayer came, they asked the Prophet's permission to perform this in the mosque. He answered, "conduct your service here in the mosque. It is a place consecrated to God."

God expects us to stay away from mocking the religious beliefs of others, no matter how much we disagree with them. He says in the Quran: "And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do" (Quran, 6:108).

We also have to remember that even if for many nominal Christians, the celebration is not really about participating in religious traditions, Christmas is a time for families to get together. In a number of cases it is the only time of year families get together, either because family members are scattered in different parts of the country or the world, because of communication and relationship problems.

P.S (edited)

vedaxcool:

Have you clarified that with logicboy?

no need for that.. my post says it all.

vedaxcool:

Yes indeed even the atheist logicboy attest to your level of consciousness of Islam, maybe you were too embarrassed to notice, heheheheheheheh now go piggy back riding on your favorite atheist! Your thread has no merit and lacks coherence!

i am no bigot,extremist.....

Bélla3: Yep, justaqad is cool, he isnt like the bigot we see around. He even relates and compliments non muslims(when truth is said).
Oya, make your head no burst.

lol
you guys should really stop these compliments oooo. because my subsequent post might be seen as ...... you know na

vedaxcool:

Playing dodge ball are we? So? What if someone mistakes you for being an arab, how does it harm you? Oh, it hurts your pride, ouch I understand pele, I get you look like an igbo from a lot of igbos, yet I did not run to nl and start shouting my pride has been trampled upon, but I understand every once in while somebody must start a thread that is beyond his own capacity to understand!

i wont give them the chance to refer to me as arab.besides i dont look like one. i dont want to look like one.i am so proud of my heritage.
i have got igbo blood running in me, so to say i am (hybrid)lol......
you sure embarrass me whenever you hit the keyboard. you think you know it all abi?smh

vedaxcool:
Yawns, have you been taking piggy back ride from your favorite atheist -logicboy and pagannja probably your favorite pagan! at least we could blame that on why the entire point being made to you was lost!

do you want to know what i have been taking? i have been inhaling consciousness and tolerance. i cant over-ride my heritage not for anything.
logicboi or pagan9ja,i admire their zeal though they are yet to see and embrace the truth.or you want me to act like you that segregate from people because of belief? you see one of my rich cultural heritage,we value tolerance.

vedaxcool:
Poor you, but it was written in english your lingua franca, hmm it must be difficult understanding what an ethnic identity really constitute!

you need to reclaim your school fees from whomever you payed to.

vedaxcool:
And yoruba people say salam in their own language as their form of greetings? Lol I see how proud your are of you culture of course the point I was making is loss to your usually lost to your embarrassment! hehhehehehehe
You deserve another round of piggy back ride from your favorite atheist logicboy

and if patience Jonathan uttered this gibberish,Nigerians would want to crucify her.lol

for your information i am a conscious muslim.

tbaba1234: Assalam aleikum

@Justaqad, I am sorry, i have to say this on a public forum but you have to watch the way you 'talk' sometimes. Having good 'adab' (yep, an arabic word) is very important as a muslim.

what has my adab got to do with this?it has become a norm amongst muslim to adopt arabic names which is insignificant in being a better musliim.

tbaba1234:
To the topic,

1. First of all, you do not have to have an arabic name if you choose not to. However, the names of some of the heroes of Islam are in Arabic, If i choose to name my child abubakr or umar or samiyya or khadija. Have I become an arab as a result or lost my identity, i have chosen names that represent people i rever and respect.

read my post all over again, i have nothing against arabic names.but they ought not be the first name.if on a social or chat forum,i see your displayed names as arabic,my assumptions would be you are an arab,until you clarify me.

tbaba1234:
There is no compulsion on anyone to bear an arabic name and it does not take anything away from your identity, if you do. As long as the name conveys a good meaning, it could be in spanish, if you wish.

bearing an arabic when i am yoruba takes something away.are there no heroes in Africa that arabs revere and respect so much?

tbaba1234:

2. Arabic is the default second (or third) language of every muslim. Saying the 'arabs were lucky' Allah chose Arabic is an inappropriate thing to say. Luck has nothing to do with anything here. Everything happens by the qadr of Allah. It is reasonably clear why Arabic was chosen (and Allah knows best), It is a very, very precise and detailed language.

if Muhammad (saw) was from igbo do you think igbo language wont be precise detailed as well?

tbaba1234:
As a muslim, Arabic is vital to you as a language. You do not need any other part of Arab culture but the language is vital. The best books on the Quranic Arabic were written by non-arabs.

only in aspect of worship

tbaba1234:
3. Non-muslims that come into Islam do not change their name. There are many, many muslims with names like peter, Julie, Josh etc. So even though they have become muslim, they still use their names. Salman al farsi is an example of that, his name still indicates his roots.

its a very rare case. 1/100,000 dont change their names. i have seen many reverts.

tbaba1234:
However, if muslims decide to name their kids arab names, then it is not a bad thing.

i concur,but it shouldn't displace their tribal names because they might grow up not liking it.

tbaba1234:
All of my names are names of prophets, my first name, middle name and last name. I also bear a yoruba name even though i am not yoruba. I am not a yoruba person, i do not identify myself as Yoruba, I do not speak a word of yoruba.

My identity has not changed. Your topic is poorly thought out. It speaks of much larger problems which you have to address.

sorry to say this; you need to free yourself from arab mentality. officially you are an arab.apply for a visa in any European country by mere looking at your names you are considered an arab,so yes you have lost your IDENTITY

I AM A MUSLIM NOT AN ARAB.(what larger problems are you talking about?)huh

vedaxcool:


So? If they think you are arab (which merely by appearance it isn't the case) does it harm you in anyway? So in essence we should fear being labeled arab more than love being called servant of Gafar?

you embarrass me anytime you hit the keyboard.why should i feel proud claiming something i would never be? i am so proud of my race.btw yoruba have more enduring and enviable heritage than the arabs,so why shouldn't i be proud of my heritage?arabs were lucky Allah choose arabic.

vedaxcool:

Please, this is simply empty talk, you can call your of whatever you choose or call your children whatever name you choose, but your talk is simply mute in many aspects, you don't speak arabic, you speak yoruba (even Hausa speak hausa not arabic), you don't eat arab food you eat yoruba food yet you are loosing your identity, your don't wear arab clothes, you probably wear African clothes plus english wear, yet your identity is disappearing into arab custom faster than Titanic is sinking, abegi, if you like put ola- sango as your first name, if that would make you feel more proud of your yoruba heritage, and you forgot to put this to your list of lost identity,

have you been drinking lately.its haram

vedaxcool:
the fact that we are forced to write in english another sub-dialect of arabic and that we are forced to communicate in english - a sub-dialect of arabic- most of the times, this arabs are truly sub-planting we Africans we must all start writing in yoruba and our native language to reclaim our identity, in fact we no longer use our local caleneder the arabs have seen to that so we now use jan - dec to mark our days,

i dont have english names.if arabs colonized Nigeria, our lingua franca would definitely be arabic. whats your point?

vedaxcool:
this arabs self DAMN them DAMN them, who do they think they are brushing our identity and stepping on our pride sef! Give me a pure water sachet let me stone the Saudi embassy and reclaim our pride back, at least the arabs would know we don't fear them! lol just kidding feel free to present your yoruba name first, so that New yorkers won't mistake you for an arab and push you onto a speeding train, please also wear jeans so that you look more like a New Yorker and don't say Salam even to your muslim brothers say hi or hey, but you know english is another sub - dialect of arabic, so hey don't blame me, Identity lost!

i could prefer to say salam translated in yorubaso long the meaning is not lost.

YOU EMBARRASS ME ANYTIME YOU HIT THE KEYBOARD

hadbak: @ macdaddy.., if a muslim like justaqad tinks he is loosing his identity to the arabs just by mere bearing abubakar an islamic name whc is in arab lang, then do i see ur fault?

there is no such thng as islamic name...

Zhul-fiqar:


however there is nothing wrong to have arabic names that are of significance to the Islamic faith.for instance it is honorable and good to name our children after the prophets or the Ahlul-bayt (as).our children can bear names like Muhammad,Ibrahim,Ali,Isa,Hassan,Hussein,Musa,and Dawood.

i dont have anything against arabic names,all i am saying is our tribal names should be our first names,then arabic names(optional).we are identified by our names.we should stop acting/feeling inferior.

MacDaddy01:





Justaqad, are you seeing your muslim brethren? A blessing to be Arab?

Justaqad, you are not seeing the whole problem, only a part. The problem is that some muslims already take Arab language/culture to be divine and better than their own due to islam. Which is very wrong.

i concur at the bolded.

hadbak: @ OP... don't forget to read/say your salat in yoruba language so that u will not loose ur identity to the Arabs..

now that's an entirely different aspect.if i should learn arabic is solely for worship purpose,nothing more.

hadbak:

I don't want to agree wit u on d bases that if u bear Abubakar u are seen as an arab, If u say a muslim I agree. No doubt d name may have an arab origin nevertheless,Arabic is the language of d Quran n d messenger, so if u bear an arabic name ur simply identifying as a muslim n not an arab.

Arabic is no greater than any other languages.Arabs were blessed because Muhammad was from Arabia.like i have stated before i want to noted as a muslim by deeds,rather than my name.

hadbak:
Its not a coincidence/mistake that d quran is in d arabic language but of Allah's desires. This is how u as a muslim shld see it rather than saying ur losing ur identity by ur name sounding arabic in nature while ur not an arab. Ur identity as a muslim shld be more important/shld superceed any identity. God creater us all into various tribes n nation but stil choose Arabic language for His religion...

there's a thin line between arabic and islam.Arabic is just a means of conveying the divine message,not an act of life. so discarding my tribal name to adopt arabic name,to me is way past the line.truth be told arabic culture has been integrated into islam,so as to make Arabic/arab look better. [/quote]

hadbak:
don't u think if He desire He could have made us into one nation/tribe? Its a blessing to the arabs for Allah to esteem Arabic language by making it d Quran language, so don't hold it against them.. If the quran language hadn't been arabic n yet d quran came from the arabs then, I wil have a problem if u bear an arab name(abubakar) else I dnt see y u shld stress ur nerves..

if i should learn arabic is solely to understand the messages of the quran.

onetrack:

Quran 18:86 "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority), either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

The sun does not set into a spring with a people nearby! The setting of the sun is due to the earth's rotation!! Muhammad thought the sun went into the earth....

I don't wanna troll this thread,mind opening a new thread?we will trash it out there

tpia@:
that's usually logicboy's line

Lol... I am justaqad not logicboi

tpia@:


true.

the yoruba version is supposed to be bakare or something similar.

Stop trolling check the next thread

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe
Funniest joke I have read today.pagan9ja ur funny.
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Ozegbe: two word : CONFUSED DELUSIONIST.

Thought self medication is bad,wow how did you finally diaognise yourseld?yaba left might put you out of your misery

PAGAN 9JA:
Exactly! and it is to be noted that many Gulf Arabs dont have islamic names. My Bedouin Arab friends for example have Tribal Names.

i appreciate justaqads efforts. You are a true Yoruba. salut!