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Farki:
But if I break the terms of my rent agreement my landlord can throw me out. Twitter, unlike rent, is free it is also not funded by the government. If Twitter was a government platform Trump would have a point but it's not.

I'm sure you're old enough to remember MySpace and how it died unceremoniously when Facebook took over. What about Usenet or Digg? They died and life went on, people moved to other platforms. Twitter too will die one day and the arguments had there will be an afterthought but you're ignoring the serious consequences this could have for the Internet as a whole.

Don't let Trump's short sighted quarrel with Twitter ruin the most revolutionary tool of the modern era.

Stefan molyneux runs the most educating channel on YouTube. He presents education on history like no other...sometime this year, YouTube decided they've had enough of his conservative views ... Shut him down and that was it.

These platforms didn't build themselves, content providers are an integral part of that development. They too need to be protected by taking away the previlege enjoyed by these platforms.

Joe Rogan, same. The number of conservative accounts cancelled by Twitter and YouTube are a dime and dozen.

They need to be opened up for litigation. Let's see how long their excesses last

Farki:
Or you could just use another website.

Doesn't work that way for the same reason your landlord can't wake up and throw you out.
These users contribute immensely to the development of these platforms and for some of them it's a deserved source of livelihood haven't put in thousands of hours and contents


After putting in hard work shooting videos to engage your followers and to build trust,

Then one day the owners wake up and shot you down. Case close. You can't complain, you can't seek legal action because of immunity.

If they told users at onset they would be cancelled if they hold alternative views, people won't use them. Instead they make up the rules as they go and use them where they like.
They have to be consequence for acting like a publisher instead of a platform

Farki:
Sorry but what he said is completely out of touch with what the law is about and is only complaining because Trump is affected. I have explained this before here.



This law doesn't just affect twitter but EVERY American social media site. If you want every webpage to be a static collection of curated posts because the hosts don't want to break the rules you're welcome to support Trump here.

Complaining?
The complaints against some of these platforms are numerous.

The platforms are protected from third party legal actions of they remain as platforms and don't take up publishers responsibilities by vetting what should be said and what shouldn't.

The platforms automatically assumes responsibility when they started vetting contents. And rightfully so, the immunity should be rescind

The freedom of the individual must be protected and not the existence of these Giants.

Burstit:
Broa, all wetin you de talk na from the angle wey you stand. Somebody else would view it differently, and stand directly opposite ur views. Trump is not presidential, more so for a Nation as U.S. If he were an African, particularly Nigerian, I would compare him to the likes if mc oluomo. The guy is going down in history as the worst president ever in U.S history.

But you haven't refuted me. He may have been wrong in other things but not this one.
Clearly he is fighting for your write to say what you believe in without fear of being shut down

omenka:
The same people who praise him to high havens and never see anything wrong with his actions are those who think in a super multifaceted society like ours, and its volatility, no moderation should be placed on social media by government.

I guess this action by the president of the worlds biggest democracy amounts to promoting social media freedom.

Smh.

Imagine what would have been buzzing now had an action similar to this been taken by the Nigerian government. Imagine it.

Trump isnt trying to regulate freedom of expression, on the contrary he is trying to force the owners of these platforms to allow people the freedom of expressing themselves without being shut down,

And if they must get sanctimonious and shutdown people however they like, the people should at least be able to pursue legal suites..
I don't see how this compares to Buhari that wants to regulate our freedom of expression in the name of hate speech

GambaOsaka:
Wrong move again by the diaper - president .

Trump has thrown caution to the wind, and refused advice from experts.
Funny thing is repealing the section 230 gives facebook and Twitter the right to close anyone's account without explanations. His accounts on Twitter will be the first casualty.

Very good. And when they do, he should be able to seek redress in a competent court...
That's what democracy is about. This is a win for freedom of speech for both sides... Unless if think conservative views are evil and should be shut down

spiritmasquerad:
That nt true and you know they most be order and human must be put in check and most of those conservative are racist and are only complaining because it stop them from post false claim that trump won and false claim of fraud with no evidence

There you go. You want free speech and you also want to censor someone...

Freedom of speech is a fundamental right of all Americans...
If the platforms want to censor, no problems... But the people have to be able to file a legal suit against them when they feel their right has been tampered...

I don't see the problem here...the only reason you don't want this is because you like conservative voices silenced...

spiritmasquerad:
What the FVCK are you taking about? If Buhari did this will you say this rubbish? But your lord and saviour trump can do no wrong

Chill...
Firstly, we must all understand that the owners of these platforms are becoming more powerful by the day. They can literally take down a government. It isn't about Trump. It's about doing the right thing.

It is only right for these big guys to face a legal suit when they infringe on people's right like they always do .

The irony here is that trump is trying to protect freedom of speech. People should be able to say what they want to say online and no be afraid of their accounts being shut down.

Twitter takes down conservative accounts for no reason. Countless complaints, but they can't do anything about it because of this immunity. Now, they would have to think twice before shutting someone down

mesmer:
Don't be half clever sir... In case you don't understand what that section portrays, let me enlighten you sir.

I will explain it in a simple way for you to understand like ABC...

He is trying to make a owner of the platform to be liable for what is been posted on there platform, it's like me coordinating a terrorist attack via nairaland... And the FG comes after Seun for what I posted on his platform.

Understand now sir?

Yes. If they must tell us what to say and what not to say, then they must liable.

You cannot eat your cake and have it.

You want to censor my post on the one hand, and you don't want to take responsibility for flagging me wrongly.

They even have the balls to factcheck the president. When they over step like they always do, it's only right that people are able to sue them

mesmer:
You lots hypocrisy stinks to high heaven.

When Buhari's administration was considering censoring the internet in Nigeria via there hate speech thingy, y'all quick to call him out to what he truly is now Donald Trump is doing almost the same thing and y'all chewing him up.

Honestly! Some people can make a devil look like a saint on earth.

Mesmer is the name

Don't be foolish. Read and comprehend. Trump isnt censoring the internet in fact he is doing the opposite.

What Trump is doing is to allow users of the internet platform to be able to say what they think they want and not get shut down by the platforms. That is the meaning of free speech .

Trump get abused everyday on Twitter, no problems. But Trump can't say his mind without being flagged. That's double standard, undemocratic and unAmerican.

And this isn't just about Trump thousands of conservatives get shut down daily for no other reason other than having a different opinion

rman:
I can only imagine what the comments would have been if these were to be done by Buhari

You don't understand what the Trump is saying:
Publishers vet contents before publishing...
What this means is that publishers can shut you down if they don't agree with you...and in any case a publisher infringes on your right, you can bring a law suit against them....just like the Covington high school kid that was defamed by CNN, ABC, and other big publishers , he got paid millions of dollars in settlement.

If you are a platform, like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and co, normally you don't have the power to vet posts and decide for people what passes as right or wrong...
But in the early days of the platforms, they were facing lots of legal challenges,
The law makers inserted that section in the Constitution granting them immunity from legal suites...
The platforms have since abused this privilege...they now shut down whoever they chose to however they want...nobody has attacked the freedom of speech any more than these platforms...

This is long overdue

I see most people don't understand the consequence of that section of the law...Twitter and other big techs can willfully silence opposition voices and no legal action can be taken against them.

Any body with any shred of reasoning knows Twitter is extremely biased and political.
If they must have the power to censor, in which case they decide what is right or wrong, they must also face the consequences when the wrongly flags someone.

Nobody should have the power over what we should say or shouldn't say...that's what dictators do ...
If this is the only thing the president achieves before he leaves office, then he has won one for freedom of speech

Raydos:
Bro I am contemplating on joining politics, wanna try my best to get my state to look at least close to this!!

Stop contemplating, join ASAP... Good people's refusal to join politics is the reason we have mentally deranged leader plunging us to hell

They're all part of the bigger problem we face in this country. As long as we continue to celebrate these criminals we will never get it right. Lack of Critical thinking is becoming an incurable sickness with Nigerians
How anybody holds these criminals in high esteem is seriously beyond me. These dude had 6 years to try and make a change, but he made zero, I mean, zero change.
And here we are, some people are already thinking of repackaging and reselling this failure to us.
We leave renowned and established technocrats out of election, then complain when politicians screw us...
We really need to change our way of thinking, but of course, we have a broken school system for a reason.

lekki1444:
WWW.fehingbole.com

Site doesn't work

Guyoo:
Is this possible?? Yes but it depends on thr platform the card is being used, For a debit card used in Nigeria, it will require to be authenticated with a pin or OTP, but when used on a foreign sires or merchant, the card number, expiry date and cvc code is enough to complete a transaction, infact most POS machine outside the country requires just a swipe or tap if the card and machine is NFC enable. So the advice is to be taking serious, this fraudsters can use your card information for foreign transaction or sites that don't require PIN or OTP authentication

From my experience, this used to be the case. These days it's extremely hard to see an ecommerce site weather local or Western not requiring otp...
Can you suggest one such site ?

Princewill1:
Most of the foreign e-commerce sites you don't need otp or pin to make purchases.

Only front and back of your card.

That used to be the case, now they all do

nedekid:
Oga, listen and learn from him.
Years back, I ordered refurbished common rail injection units for a truck I owned back then from the UK. They sent me an invoice. I asked how to pay, all they said was to provide them with my card number and expiry date. I had not finished calling the number over the phone when debit alert entered.
I was like how did they do it?
Meanwhile I was here in Lagos oh.

That was years back, otp was not required for online transaction...now, with otp, it's extremely hard... Otp provides a third layer of security

Barka00:
I pray the supreme court will rule in favour of Donald Trump.

Trump does things that supports the freedom of his people but many are blind to see.
Joe Biden/Obama would have made face mask compulsory hence vaccination will also be mandatory. But Trump let people do what they believe in.
He didn't impose lockdown because the crash of the nations economy will domore harm that the virus itself

There is no right reason to hate this man
Trump 2020.

More wisdom to you...I appreciate your closing remark: "there is no right reason to hate this man"
God bless all who stand for truth in the face of oppression.

And he's only exercising his constitutional right. Biden would have done the exact same thing. Hillary demanded that Biden doesn't concede in any condition if he had lost...all I see here is double standard...
If you won squarely, you have nothing to fear, let the law run it's full course.

Jackson105:
Keep up the delusion, Jan 20 is 2 months away

You wish...

2nattie:
Please name or mention one of such evidence of fraud

There are reports of software glitches,
Reports of GOP representatives blocked from observing the counting
Reports of some states bringing in ballots when counting already began contrary to states constitutional legislation

Hundreds of signed affidavits from federal workers ready to testify ...

Just because the MSM said no evidence doesn't mean there isn't.
Starting from next week, hearing will be opened to some of these witnesses to come forth with their story in Pennsylvania according to the speaker of house

tope777:
Ok.
Let me teaches you how electoral college work.
Presently Biden has 306 while Trump at 232.
If it remain so, this means that Biden/Democrat will chose 306 elector ,while Trump/Republican will chose 232 elector to determine the final outcome early December.
With the above ,are you telling me Beden/Democrat elector will now change their mind and vote for Trump/Republican .. ??
Please this game is over

Let me also educate you:
The speaker of Pennsylvania state assembly, a GOP, today has said no certification of electoral college until all allegations are cleared in court. The unfolding events will interest you ... Patience is all you need

Chizysean:
Guys don't be fooled by the media. Ensure you are well educated to understand whom the media is loyal to.

Did you see the rally for Trump? Did you see Antifa attacking peaceful protesters?

You are here attacking men and women who know their right and stand for their nation while your own country is in a mess.

An open fire at the lekki toll gate and you all fade away and never show up. You are here running your mouth. You should learn from them and not be fast to judge.

Don't mind clowns up here masturbating over every mention of Trump.
These people are fighting for their right to fair voting system in the face of an obvious irregularities against the media pushing thier narratives down people's throat, and clowns who can't demand for steady electricity from their govt, clowns who only think with their stomach, clowns that think of nothing but Visa, want to educate them on their right

Jackson105:
Says a loser.


American and the world has rejected you.


Those that had a rally for you in the East can make u the president of their country, when it materialise


But on a serious note this guy is not different from Nigeria politicians, he is making mockery of the democracy that gave him the platform.

Sore loser

In your frickin mind...70 million legit vote cannot be a sign of rejection...when this all settles we will know who wins. MSM don't decide winner, the electoral college does. Certification can only come happen when all counting are dully certified...the Gop controls majority in these state's legislative arm, and at worse, supreme Court might have to decide the election.

It has happened before in Al Gore vs Bush, it will happen again.
If you think this is over because the MSM said it is, think again.
The evidence for fraud is massive and cannot be swept under the carpet ... Trump is born for moments like these

patrickmuf:
Not anymore...

Even now they are so peaceful, lovely and intelligent people, except of course the Muslim populated regions.

I once had an encounter with two Ethiopian ladies sometimes last year, they're nothing short of angels prompting me to do a Google search on them and the feedback from across the world was unbelievable...

DropsMic:
Their churches are something else...
Checkout pictures of Abuna Yemata Guh.. It is currently the most Inaccessible Place of Worship on Earth..

Read more:
The most Inaccessible Place of Worship on Earth

Wow, the art work is simply breathtaking. If it was Europe, they would have listed it as one of the wonders of the world...

5thcolm:
The reason is, we don't have much dumb journalists.

Trump is a conman. But he is not that smart.
As the saying goes "a conman does not need to be smart, he just need his victim to be more stupid"

Why is he relying on them to report the protest. Remember media is fake news

That's the point: media journalism isn't about reporting what you want instead it's about telling it as it happened.
This isn't about Trump, but more about the fact that the MSM can hang up against you disregarding the people's choice.

Think for a moment: with years after years of bad publicity and voters suppression, he still pull in astounding 70 million votes.
He's the people's choice. The media is imposing Biden on the country and hope they don't live to regret it.

Media now has become a tool of oppression and funny how most people don't see that yet. Journalism is about reporting things as they happen, but imagine the entire MSM refusing to report and acknowledge that at least proportionate amount of people have reservation over the election results.
The media is the new mob.

Fooolish man. Resigning because you couldn't keep up with fickle emotional people and their virtue signaling.

He just bowed to virtue signal mobs, and there is nothing courageous about what he did. These people keep changing words and language to suit their narratives and consequently control our lives...
He should have his resignation speech ready for his next job because he is sure to misgender someone soon

ThatFairGuy:
Of course I do.
Biden's electoral Collage and his votes were higher than that of trump if that's what you wanna say.
To now claim any fraud is very undemocratic of trump. He has been doing these ages

For four years Dems cried foul and couldn't get over losing the election to Trump.

When interviewed, Hilary advised Biden not to concede the election no matter what.

The fact is, the vote of 70million citizens are hanging on the line in what appears to be a well orchestrated rigging.

But unlike most republicans, Trump is a fighter and he will see this one to it's logical end even if the supreme Court wades in.

I wonder why the Dems are concerned over verifying the votes. Only guilty conscience would oppose to recount and validation.

Al Gore was announced by the press in 2000 untill supreme Court declared George Bush winner of that election.

What we can be sure of is that if there were any irregularities like it's reported, Trump's team will get to the bottom of it.

America's election is too important to be mared by such report of gross illegality. Now, Nigerian politicians can rig openly and unhinged because, of course, " no country's election is perfect. Not even America's"