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jln115:
Not Nigerian Navy!!!

Nigerian Navy bros.

The ministry of transport bought it for the Nigerian navy.

jln115:
that's a LPD not an LST

Hope you can see the sheer amount of naval platforms Nigeria is getting. same cannot be said about the South-African Navy.

Nigerian Navy is expecting the following ships next year.

"Dick listed the platforms expected to join the Services’ fleet in 2020 to include,
-1 x 60m Hydrographic Survey Ship from Ocea France,

-2 x 40m FPBs from Damen Shipyard Vietnam,

-1 x 45m SDB III from Naval Dockyard Limited Lagos.

Others are:
- 2 x 35m FPBs from Ocean France,

- 1 x 24m FPB from Ocea France,

-4 x Manta Class Boats from Suncraft Malaysia, ​

-4 x 17C –Falcon Boats from Ocea France, and

-5 x RHIBs enroute from Suncraft Malaysia,

-15 x RHIBs from Suncraft Malaysia.

Also expected are

-15 x 8.5m Riverine Patrol Boats from Epenal Group Nigeria Limited, Port Harcourt, 9 x 8.5m ~
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-AW139 from Italy."

https://newsverge.com/2019/12/18/maritime-security-nigerian-navy-expecting-more-platforms-before-end-of-2020/

shadowprimezero:
I just finished reading through. That was a very insightful piece. I never saw it from that angle. Thank you for sharing.

It is an incredible read. You know I keep wondering how does Russia have 300+ units of SU-35, SU-30SM and SU-27SM3 all top of the line fighters.

shadowprimezero:
Remember, actual Russian modernization only started as recently at around 2010. Before that all frontline existing hardware like the T-90, T-72, BMP's, BTR's, Naval vessels, aircraft, were mostly Soviet-era albeit heavily modified. My point is that they are pre-existing, were mostly not built from scratch and generally don't require that much maintenance. This will of course translate to lower per capita defence Russian spending as compared to Saudi Arabia that always buys shiny new toys from the west almost every other day.

New Russian hardware like the T-15 Armata MBT, the VPK-7829 Bumerang and the T-50 are very much in limited numbers and are in the evaluation phase. Defence spending will definitely catch up when they begin to enter service.

As a side note, remember that the Mi-35 is top of the line and only made its maiden flight in 2007. It's has cutting-edge and advanced systems that definitely justify the price.

Thank you Sir for your response, I already knew the answer before I asked the question to mainly elicit a response.

So I came across the real answer today, read it and see what you think.

It is incredibly detailed and in depth, plus an enjoyable read.

WHY RUSSIAN MILITARY EXPENDITURE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD (AS IS CHINA’S)

Why Russia Gets More Bang for the Ruble

Based on the annual average dollar-to-ruble exchange rates, Russia is typically depicted as spending in the region of $60 billion per year on its military. This is roughly in line with the defense spending of medium-sized powers like the United Kingdom and France. However, anybody familiar with Russia’s military modernization program over the past decade will see the illogic: how can a military budget the size of the United Kingdom’s be used to maintain over a million personnel while simultaneously procuring vast quantities of capable military equipment?

Russian procurement dwarfs that of most European powers combined. Beyond delivering large quantities of weaponry for today’s forces, Russia’s scientists and research institutes are far along in development of hypersonic weapons, such as Tsirkon and Avangard, along with next-generation air defense systems like S-500. This volume of procurement and research and development should not be possible with a military budget ostensibly the same size as the United Kingdom’s. When theory checks in with practice, the problem with the approaches that return such answers is plain for anyone to see.

Read more in the link below.


https://warontherocks.com/2019/12/why-russian-military-expenditure-is-much-higher-than-commonly-understood-as-is-chinas/

Sizzorkay:
Could it partly be because the Russians produce their own arms while the Saudis mainly import theirs

I think this could be the reason. I also think if we are to really look at it Russia might be spending 200 billion dollars on defence.

Xbee007:
So the Indians offered to build 2 for us for only $102 million and we rejected the offer.

I don't trust Indian QAQC.

New Nigerian navy Special mission ship.

shadowprimezero:
Russia has a huuuuge stockpile from the Soviet era and their equipment is far less expensive than the high-tech gear and equipment Saudi Arabia buys from Western powers.

Saudi Arabia even buys at inflated prices to keep western defence industries pleased and hence the US in particular happy with their relationship. This in turn makes the US bend in any way to keep the relationship alive as seen in their consistent pro- Saudi foreign policy disposition.

I know Russia has a huge stockpile of Soviet era weapons, but the Soviet union was like 85% Russia. The industrial base was mostly in Russia, the other countries were small satellite states. Only Ukraine was any significance.

But the old Soviet union apart.

If we look at Russian modernization programme, they have bought more planes, more ships, more land systems that all the countries in the world apart from USA. On the navy side, only China has bought more.

How do you achieve that, when you spend less than Saudi Arabia?

Are Russian gears really inexpensive? MI-35M, 12 units cost Nigeria 350 million dollars. If you compare it with the Super Tucano Nigeria bought from USA at 400 million dollars, although not a direct comparison to the MI-35m you will see the costs are the same or even cheaper in favour of the Tucano, remember the lists of bombs we are getting with the Tucano too?

Why is this?

rka2:
Looks like the Damen LST will not actually be delivered until March 2022.


https://www.janes.com/article/93209/update-damen-building-landing-ship-for-nigerian-navy

2022, na today?

This news is a major downgrade. So, why go for 1?

Please, I have a question, how much does Russia spend on defence. I heard Saudi Arabia spends more than Russia on defence.

If this is the case, how come Russia has more weapons than Saudi Arabia, and has the 2nd largest military in the world?

rka2:
Not the Navy, although manned by them. Probably NIMASA. I like the paint job. It is just Coastguard markings but in green.

ok, but i don't see guns on it? It won't be armed with naval guns?

avidleo:
Deep Blue Project funded via special intervention from NIMASA (word on the street $200m)

Includes UAV's, Heli's & Shore to Sea radar stations.

NIMASA has a Maritime Guard Department

The AW-139, is it navy owned helicopter or part of this project?

last year or so Oga Henry240 and Jakeporshenko said Nigeria was getting 3 helicopters from airbus, where are the helicopters?

How come we are seeing AW-139 from Leonardo helicopters instead?

Here is the link for the Airbus helicopters.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/military-helicopters/nigerian-navy-interested-in-acquiring-as565-helicopters/

rka2:
It certainly stands out.

I find it to be ugly.

rka2:
This was one of the trained personnel after graduation from the basic course in August 2019.

Is the ship owned by NIMASA or the Nigerian navy?

A capability we would soon regain in the Nigerian military.

This is the Philippines navy.

Nigeria also considered this ship from Indonesia.

Xbee007:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH202mGugdw

The last explosion in this video is massive.

You scratch my back i scratch your back.

Buhari, padi padi government.

rka2:
It will eventually be made known well into construction just like the LPD. We knew they were planning to buy a LPD but didn't know construction had started until the keel was laid. So it will be with the Frigate. We know they are planning one, so............. for ever the optimist

Remember, it isn't Damen marketing it by giving it to the CNS, but the CNS presenting it to a Governor. He wouldn't do that with a product Nigeria doesn't own or intend to own.

I like your optimism, it's almost contagious. However we've been burned one two many times by the Federal government.

Nigerian fighter pilot

SuperSixSeven:
I do hope we will get the 2-seater JF17B variant.

The JF-17 Block 3 has undergone it's maiden flight. In my opinion that's the jet we should target, along with it's 2 sweater variant.

Aufbauh:
Unfortunately I'm not an internet troll.
Believe what you want to believe and console yourself with any facts and figures.
I'm not interested or owe you rebuttal as I've already know the background you're coming from.

Live happily and be happy with yourself for 2023 is close.

Counter his argument with facts and figures not meaningless insults.

He has taken you to school, and cleaners with facts, please counter it.

The JF-17 is a very modern fighter.

Look at that cockpit and the display. Sharp crisp images on the MFD.

War in Libya has kicked off again.

MI-35 helicopter attack footage from Libya.

Khalifa Hafter's forces attacking GNA.

The MI-35 is flying so low it is almost hugging the terrain.

الدعاء لقواتكم المسلحة العربية الليبية الجوية والبرية والبحرية بالنصر والتمكين وتحرير #ليبيا من صعاليك #تركيا و #قطر pic.twitter.com/MnmBDbPe1u

— ابن ليبيا السرتاوي🇱🇾🇱🇾🇱🇾 (@MstrMax11) December 15, 2019

jln115:
Procurement plans and real life are two different things...... The JF17 saga is case and point.

So far we know the LST is coming but there is no mention of any purchase of the other vessels

Navy helicopter and SDB 3 is part of the purchase plan.

The JF-17 is note a case in point as a budget was only made for it in 2017.

kikuyu1:
You've just contradicted yourself, son!

How did I contradict myself?

SuperSixSeven:
You are beyond help, brother.

Do you know what a corporation is at all?

DICON is headed by an individual from the army but it comprises of purely civilian staff. Shedrach Agbo the lead designer of the Ezugwu mrap is a civilian, his entire staff are civilians.

DICON is similar to PAC, POF and HIT in Pakistan, the producers of the JF-17 and Super Mushak.

It is a state run agency similar to Nexter in France, UAC, Kalashnikov concern in Russia, and CATIC in China.

You are hopelessly uneducated.

SuperSixSeven:
We have far more capable local defence companies like Proforce.





You my friend talk without knowledge. Major General Victor Okwudili Ezugwu himself is the head of DICON. DICON is operated by the Nigerian Armed Forces.

Please read and educate yourself.

DICON is the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria.

Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DICON) is the state-run defense corporation of Nigeria and operated by the Nigerian Armed Forces. It is responsible for the production of defense equipment and civilian products.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Industries_Corporation_of_Nigeria

SuperSixSeven:
But he is not wrong at all, no army on this planet attempts to build its own weapons - thats simply not their job.

You talk without thinking.

Is DICON the Nigerian army?

The Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria was established by an Act of Parliament in 1964.

Xbee007:
The war against insurgents could drag on in Nigeria if current fighting strategy is not reviewed and improved upon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

I think the Super Camp strategy is working in Nigeria. At least we no longer hear isolated FOBs been overrun.

I think we need to properly equip our army with MRAP APCs, IFVs, Artillery, Reconnaissance, logistics and medical evacuation.

I don't think the army needs an aviation unit.

What I think is, the leadership of the war in the Northeast should not be led solely by the Nigerian army. It should be rotated between the army and air force. This would help streamline decision making.

An example is, the air force is currently running an independent air campaign, there should always be ground troops responding with artillery systems and carrying out mop up operations as the air campaign is ongoing in each sector.

We need to have fire force units, which are quick response comprised of the army, navy and air force.

We need to kill Shekau, All barnawi and Mamman Nur. After this, the leaders who would take over might be willing to negotiate.

Xbee007:
The war against insurgents could drag on in Nigeria if current fighting strategy is not reviewed and improved upon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

America with all the weapons, yet no progress. 700 billion dollars in defence spending, I heard CIA get like 200 billion dollars also.

Yet, they have been fighting for 18 years.

Fynline:
https://guardian.ng/news/u-s-wants-cameroons-president-to-pull-out-military-from-south-territory/amp/?utm_medium=Social&echobox=twitter_post&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


Have u guys seen this?

This has to be a joke, any other source?