Can someone explain to that dullard ACM10 that he is confirming my position that oil was not a major contributor to Nigerian revenue during the civil war?

I think he can read but he can't comprehend.

shymexx:

The Bretons are Celtic. Normans are Germanic. And those Jews are Ashkenazi's and they're also Germanic. I bet the whole thing is too complex for you, init?

SW is Yoruboid. And the people are culturally and linguistically the same.

Normans are from Normandy in France. They are not Germanic although they were originally vikings.

tensor777:
Fine But I am trying hard to understand a point you made. How did the Gowon-Awolowo regime of 1967-1971 prosecute the war against Ojukwu without borrowing a penny. Was it with crude oil revenue or with cocoa revenue. I am not saying that all the government expenditure was derived from oil but that the extra spending brought about by the war was financed by crude oil receipts

First things first

Oil was not a major source of revenue in 1966. The extra spending on the war was not from Oil. Not a single penny.

Before the January 1966 coup, revenue from the Western region was the highest in the country.

The total cost of the war was 300M Sterling.

Capital gains tax of 20%
Dues on ships transporting resources
Turnover tax on revenue

Treasury bills – 3 month
Treasury certificates – 24 month

Treasury Bill and certificates alone generated 250M Sterling. Most of these revenue was raised from the Lagos Ibadan axis. There was little industrial activity in the East and revenue from the North always lagged revenue from the Western region. In 1966, the Eastern region had the lowest revenue of all three regions.

So who financed the war?

Orlando Owoh:
Guy, we're talking about the 1960s. Murtala Muhammed became Head of State in 1975.

Orlando Owoh:
This is your problem, always jumping into conclusion without reasoing. Katsumoto never said Nigeria didn't get revenue from crude oil in the 1960s, but that it was not the major source of revenue. There was cocoa in the west, oil palm and coal in the east, and groundnut and cotton in the north. My friend, it's hightime you visited your grandmother's village for those books.

Don't mind the bugger.

See my response to Tensor above. Oil was only contributing 26% to total revenue in 1970.

shymexx:

And you honestly believe that in a proper war between the Northerners and Yoruba's, the Northerners, especially the Fulani's won't be sent back to the Futa Jallon where they came from?

You lot don't understand anything about warfare. I feel sorry for most of you. Sooner or later, the ethnic nationalities in Nigeria would have to fight. Then we would see who's about it and who the noise-makers are.

You need to calm down with the inflammatory remarks. You shouldn't let some clowns incite you into make provocative remarks about other groups. No Fulani person has attacked you on this thread.

We don't go to war just to prove we are stronger than others.

tensor777:
He was just being disengenuous if that is the case. Anyway the Gowon-Ojukwu imbroglio of 1967-70 was all about oil despite appearances to the contrary that it was about a tribal conflict.
One of Ojukwu's first hostile acts before secession was to seize the Federal Oil Revenues. Gowon then responded by creating states in the oil producing parts of the Eastern Region and sending the Navy to enforce a blockade. He then sent Colonel Adekunle's 3MCD to secure the oilfields and capture Port Harcourt which he was able to do by May 1968. That really ended the war as a strategic contest despite the desperate efforts of Ojukwu to disrupt oil supplies by using Colonel Achuzia's feared S division.
Gowon financed that conflict with Ojukwu with oil without borrowing a penny from anybody right up to Ojukwu's flight to Abidjan in January 1970.

I have been cordial to you in the past; I do not understand the unnecessary attack on my person.

I stated factually that Oil was not the major source of revenue in 1966. See below

'The rapid growth of petroleum revenue in the 1970s removed most of the severe constraints placed on federal and regional or state budgets in the 1960s. Total federal revenue grew from N306.4 million in 1966 to N7,791.0 million in 1977, a twentyfivefold increase in current income in eleven years. Petroleum revenue as a percentage of the total went from 26.3 percent in 1970 to more than 70 percent by 1974-77.'

http://www.photius.com/countries/nigeria/economy/nigeria_economy_government_finance.html

Even as at 1970, Oil only accounted for 26% of total revenue. Your guess is as good as mine with what the percentage would have been in 1966.

birdman: Tribalism has dulled the Nigerian's senses. Why are we so slow? Guys like Dokubo NEED Nigeria the way it is, because they have a formula they can use to eat oil money, and it is working without fail. The guy never really said he doesnt want a united Nigeria. He just want one where his man is in power so he can continue to work his formula. He knows full well that his homeland is rotting away, yet the guys who keep putting pressure on the FG about the delta are SW folks, hundreds of km away.

This is why I keep laughing at the integrationists who want to keep Nigeria one.The only non SW'ner I can think of with enough integrity to stand up to the government/PDP was Achebe. Maybe Balarabe Musa and Col Umar too. Have you noticed 99% of the democracy agitators have been from the SW? When it comes time to sacrifice blood and life for democracy, guess where the protests happen. Yup, the SW.

The sooner we understand the Nigerian mirage and pull our resources inward, the better. How much further would Awolowo have gone if he quit trying to become president of a dubious experiment and concentrated his political energy locally? Just the free education that lasted a few years has a lasting mark on the SW - look at the prodigious quantity of manpower and generational know-how it has birthed. I hope the new young'ns, the Fasholas, Aregbesola's etc learn from history and understand that charity begins at home.

The only people who have any love for Nigeria are SW folk. the rest came to the realization a long time ago that Nigeria is like a big cake to be eaten until only crumbs are left. Yoruba, cut your coat according to your size and stop trying to be everybody's savior (Soyinka, yes Im looking at you)

And how did Achebe even stand up to the FG? By rejecting the award given to him? How many times was Achebe imprisoned? How many times was his house or car shot at? Standing up for principles when you are thousands of miles away is not the same thing as living in the same country with Abacha, IBB, Mustapha, Sergeant Rogers, etc.

And I echo your sentiments about Soyinka and other Yoruba freedom fighters. There is no point in believing in one Nigeria. Let all men turn their voices towards restructuring or disintegration.

St_Black: KATZ, Its like these folks are out of guns. !! They cant hold the lines anymore as they just keep regurgitating & exhuming baseless & meaningless rejoinders. !

...I gatta hit the bed.

ODARO OO.

They start running their big mouths but as soon as you start hitting them with facts and logic, they immediately start trying to have a civil debate.

I am done as well. I will get the rest of the wounded tomorrow.

Truckpusher: Of course you started moving into another direction when we are talking about the current political landscape and you talking about a military rule that had nothing with the topic at hand.

Few men alone in ND did what it took your numerous paper tigers years to achieve.

Go back and reflect, i'm sure you have the names in your head i don't need to blow my own trumpets like you guys do, this is who we are ,we don't talk too much we give instant actions.....Ken Saro Wiwa did it gallantly same with Prof. Claude Ake and Chief Obi Wali they paid with their lives because they stood for what they believed in and not some paper clutching warriors whilst hiding in exile.

I mentioned Yoruba guys who fought for Nigeria as a whole and you listed Ogoni men who fought for Ogoni. Perhaps you are admitting that you guys only fight for yourselves. That is ok but do not go calling those who fight for everyone cowards.

Obiagu1: NigerDeltans want their resources back or they are out.

If you think you are not a parasite, help them achieve it.
No more spinning, no more beating about the bush.

And I am in support of ND getting the revenue from its resources and paying a small percentage to the FG for running common services.

But you guys need to stop the nonsense about Yoruba folks stealing oil. Oil is being stolen by individuals from all groups in Nigeria. And despite the ND receiving huge monthly allocations, what has its leaders done with the revenue?

Obiagu1:

Now it is a case of 'If'? LMAO!

The point remains we did not grab the resources of the nation to use as we wished. It did not happen.

Because 6 months isn't enough to grab resources and there was little revenue from oil. But in 6 months, you did take advantage of what was available.

Obiagu1: I said it before, 1966 coup is the comfort zone of some people.
It has been over debated, torn into pieces and every molecule in it analyzed yet some people don't seem satisfied with it.

They still want the electrons, proton, neutron etc analyzed as well.

SMH!

You should have cautioned your brothers when they started making ignorant statements. If you had, then there would have been no history lesson.

Obiagu1:

No it is not vindicated because the analogy is wrong.
Igbos did not appropriate the resources of the three regions for their own control.
Northerners did and that's the pain of NigerDelta people.

The problem with you is that you try to be smart thinking that others are foolish. Or you are genuinely bereft of a thinking faculty.

If Ironsi's FG took revenue from all regions in Nigeria, assuming the Northerners never executed their own coup and Nigeria has been ruled by Igbo since Ironsi, who would be sitting on oil revenue from the ND? You can only talk about oil because 1) Your power grab lasted only 6 months 2) revenue from oil in 1966 was not the major source of revenue.

Obiagu1:

So can you withdraw your analogy and accept that it is false and uniformed?

False to you. My point stands. And it remains vindicated by the actions of July 1966.

Eziachi: I can't speak for the northerners, what about you? Did you also find the same evil introduction by Ironsi very beneficial too or did the north forced you against your will? What's your own excuse?

You guys like to get emotional during the debates. You start mouthing off but as soon as the other person beats you down with facts, you get emotional.

Truckpusher: These are the men i respect till date and unfortunately most of these peeps you just mentioned are always benched on the backdrop of the political wagon by the more acceptable bootlickers that currently holds sway in your politics and these are the people that controls the region and they constantly suck up to the North's balls .
One and his cronies are currently licking buhari's a$$ even when he's aware that Buhari is a regional champion whose comment before the elections sent hundreds of innocent Nigerians to their early grave Yorubas amongst them.

Will you only mention these past heroes ,how about the current ones masking themselves as your political savior whilst dining and wining with your masters in the North?

Omo! remove those spectacles from your eyes and figure out that we are already at war with the North only time will tell for someone to pull the trigger and all hell would break loose,or do you have to wait until these your political misfits paints you like an enemy to a people you share the same belief and ideology with before you'll wake up?

I didn't ask you to move in another direction. You made a statement, I responded to that statement, and threw a challenge to you. Where is your own list?

Instead you are giving me BS about Tinubu aligning with Buhari. Why can't Tinubu align with whomever he chooses? Was GEJ born with Tinubu? What do they have in common?

Where is the list of the brave men from your region?

St_Black:

So when Ironsi assumed power, are you saying the various cocoa institutions, plantations, oil palm, etc were not hijacked by the government?

OH MINE MINE, This Bro is making me LMAO.

Ask them how Awo fought a civil war for three years without borrowing externally. What was the revenue from oil between 1967 and 1970?

Sam_Ikenna:

Are you saying that the author of Why We Struck was not part of the group that "got greedy" and took "the 9 candles?"
Are you also saying that during the genocidal war Gowon launched on the Easterners to retake the "9 candles" that no South Westerner joined in?

Wow! So all of a sudden its now only the Northerners that did the dirty work. So where is SW in this revisionism? I guess you're countering Fani Kayode who loudly proclaimed that it was SW generals who beat Biafrans silly and cosequently forced them back into Nigeria. Fani won't be happy if he gets a wind of this new revelation. In case you forgot, he also said that Igbos have been crying since SW beat them - verify if you're in doubt.

So I ask again - what about all the noise and book launching on how we were destroyed? Many of which came from SW?

I don't even want to go into the whole 20 pounds, starvation, shooting at everything that moves, indigenization shebang because, quite frankly, it makes no difference to me right now.

I can only say that it looks to me like you have a serious knack for revisionism.

At this point whoever did what no longer matters. What's important is where Nigeria's tomorrow is located, and if you ask me I would say its right in the pit of fiery hell. That's why I must to get out now that I can and let those who've sold their soul to One-Nigeria continue their journey undisturbed.

Folks keep the convo going.

1. Diego Costa, a Brazilian, is now in the Spanish squad. Does that make the Spanish squad a brazilian-Spanish squad? Or will they be called Spain in tomorrow's draw?

2. When the war started, Yoruba soldiers who were part of the army had to fight. They were defending the oaths they swore. After the debacle at Ore when Biafra tried to invade Yorubaland, Gowon seized the initiative and motivated them to join the Army. That's a no brainer. Fani Kayode can talk because Adekunle was responsible for capturing the most Biafran ground during the war and Biafra surrendered to OBJ. Generals always get credit and blame for war.

3. If you want to get into 20 pounds and indiginization, please do. I am prepared for you. But will you be ready for what I will use to support my own position?

4. You are free to talk about where you want Nigeria to be but perhaps you missed the pages where all manners of idiots were throwing shots at Yoruba. If you don't it, there wouldn't be nothing.

We can always have decent debates but don't pretend not to see when your brothers start attacking others.

Eziachi: Ironsi was only in power for six months and after which you and the north was taking turns experimenting with Nigeria, you still find comfort living with evil a long dead Ironsi introduced or was he holding it against your wish from changing it? That's a pathetic excuse.

Like I stated previously - you don't give candy to a kid if you don't want him to have it.

Once the Northerners realised the benefit of what the Igbo were trying to do, they had NO MOTIVATION to revert to previous status.

Obiagu1:

Don't try to be clever.
The fact is that the Igbo did not take the '9 candles' as claimed by Katsumoto, rather it was the North that took the candles.

Really

Who cancelled compulsory Hausa test in the North so that their sons could get civil service jobs?

Who implemented Decree 34?

Who organized and executed the first coup?

Who benefited from the first coup?

Who composed an advisory team comprised Francis Nwokedi, Pius Okigbo, and Lt. Colonel Patrick Anwunah (all Igbo)

Who made Pius Nwokedi, the sole commissioner for the unification of the Nigerian state?

Who benefited from the majority of promotions in the Army immediately after a coup even though there was a moratorium on promotions?

That someone else beat you at your own game doesn't mean you aren't responsible

St_Black: KATZ, please put that racoon Magic bishop in his hole.

IGNORE PLS.

I am not responding to his moronic rants. Only to his ignorant rants.

St_Black:

PLS answer wisely :

-Revenue formula or not, Wouldnt there be a high margin of possibility of the federalism that had existed to be maintained till present had Ibos not drew the first blood?

And implemented unitarism? Don't forget that is the master stroke that made all regions lazy.

atlwireles:

So you assumed your SNG saved GEJ for Nigeria Don't kid yourself. David Mark had more to do with Goodluck becoming president than I million demonstration from that group. NIgerdeltans that took part in Abuja demo including the follwing, Mr. Willy Ezeugwu; Mr. Osita Okechukwu, Nagatu Mo Raymond Dokpesi,Mr. Solomon Asemota. Pat Utomi,Pastor Sarah Omakwu,Hon. Uche Onyeogocha,Peter Esele

We are talking about Generals, you are listing foot soldiers.

David Mark had nothing to do with that. They had been exposed by SNG, the whole world was watching, and the senate had to respond.

Obiagu1:

But I don't know that's why I asked.

Since you don't know and I don't know, then we stick to what we know - The person that killed confederationism, unified Nigeria, and implemented Decree 34 was Ironsi. And the person that hailed that decree publicly was none other than Ojukwu who exclaimed that Igbo would export civil servants to other parts of Nigeria. Don't complain if someone else uses your strategy to their advantage.

Obiagu1: Katsumoto, I am still waiting for your reply.

Reply to what? Who changed the revenue formula?

Since you know the answer, why not enlighten me?

Truckpusher: I beg to disagree with your first paragraph and in as much as you might be right that there are elites in other regions that doesn't want this country to disintegrate i can also categorically tell you that the champions for one Nigeria in the last two decades seems to be coming from one particular region .
What does that say? even in the face of humiliating provocation from the North one example is just Abiola's issue

Will they have to tow you guys by the balls before you understand that these guys don't respect you guys? and has constantly with their actions called you cowards to your face? whilst your elites continuously enjoys political succor all in the name of politics.

Atiku almost made OBJ look stupid if not for OBJ's ruggedness but now the entire North, the SW elites, scholars and the SW media are ganging up just to bring down one Ijaw man......smh

Who are these champions from the SW? Lets start from there. What did they say that made you to conclude that they are for one Nigeria?

Thread carefully because you may just get egg on your face.

By their actions they called the Yoruba cowards. Did the military not suppress all regions? And who were those at the fore front of fighting the military, even without guns?

These are those that stood up to military dictators.
1. Fela
2. Beko Ransome-kuti
3. Gani Fawehinmi
4. Femi Falani
5. Wole Soyinka
6. Baba Omojola
7. Segun Maiyegun
8. Sowore
9. Michael Ajasin
10. Abraham adesanya
11. Faseun


Let us have the names of the 'cowards' from your region. Please do not disappoint. Provide a list of those who were locked up regularly by successive governments.

Bishop Magic:

Was Yaradua dead? Should ND fight over a position of one man who is yet not dead?

When MKO was jailed and later killed wetin una do?

coward!

I don't know what you mean by una. But I remember that the two parties in 1999 had Yoruba candidates.

In your deluded sense, guns must be used in all conflict. Ode

You can not understand political strategy because it is above your ability - historical and present.

St_Black:

You Nailed it KATZ. !

The Dude believes the ones (Northerners) at advantage would be foolish enough to give away such. !

If I may ask him, If an Igboe turns president today, can he gather the same motive & energy as Ironsi did BUT use it for the sole aim of achieving Federalism when the chance comes?

...Im not sure whether these people really know they are dealing with human beigns.

...They deal with others like the others are animals. Thats one thing I'v got to know of them.

I don't like it when people try to be clever. Like you stated, they assume you are a dullard.

Obiagu1:

Pardon my ignorance but who actually changed the revenue sharing formula?

I think that is what i will relate to taking all 9 candles for himself.

The formula has been changed a few times. The better question is who vested all revenue in the FG and the FG to distribute to states and LG.

Bishop Magic:

see your life...

Enter warri now.

Let me tell you a little on how the Niger-Delta Insurgency began.

It began on the crest of the Warri crisis. Oil companies began relocating to neighbouring Rivers, Uyo and Bayelsa.

Experienced Warri boys moved over later to get jobs in those parts. When they saw how the oil companies had been exploiting the communities they put sense into the locals head and gave them the nod on how warri dey handle oil coys. The rest is history.

Bring it on Sgt Ibadan

You are not bright enough to understand, so I will not break it down for you.

atlwireles:

I will agree "Nigeria practicing federalism/confederationism is better than a Nigeria broken down into smaller pieces. Let the ND collect the revenue from its oil resources". Most people in the Nigerdelta will want to remain in Nigeria,that's my own personally feeling, They want control over their lives and resources. Even, if they had to pay some percentage to the center.The last 14 years has changed lots of mind about this Nigerian project, for the ugly. The treatment GEJ has received mostly from the Yorubas press/politcal class and Fulani political class came as shock to us. For most people now, is simply bring whatever you have, we are ready.

When Turai had GEJ under a skirt, who saved him? Who were the ND sons and daughters who marched for GEJ? Who were the ND folk that were in Save Nigeria? Or Falana, Bakare, Soyinka are now from the ND?

The problem with some of you is that you are ungrateful.