coogar:

you are a capital mumu - i saw the match live on TV & the picture you painted earlier bears no semblance with what happened. the de boer tackle was on the youtube link & it's the closest to what you described - a classic counterattack.



it was a normal goal kick situation that went left of the pitch & then a pass to the middle & ronaldo getting one on one with the goalie. elampiro, my memory is good cos i'm still young. alzheimer's might be affecting your own memory.

ask elampiro.

I am sure if Elampiro called you by your real name, you ll disagree stating your name is Clement.

It was a counter attack move. It wasn't a normal goal kick situation. I ll try to find it online but I am not good with gifs.

coogar:

but elampiro claimed davids was 15 yards behind the play & magically appeared from nowhere to stop ronaldo. read his opening statement again.



and the ball went sideways before going to the centre where the final pass was made. by then, davids had levelled rigk ronaldo & was even seen pacing around before giving the chase. watch the youtube link again.



being level is the best benchmark especially when we were told davids was 15 yards behind ronaldo. the pass was played in the space between davids & ronaldo. they both ran diagonally for the ball, ronaldo had the advantage but he must be precise with shot, davids only needed to distract ronaldo from scoring.



davids was the closest with the magnitude & the direction of the pass. who else could have given the chase? the defender closer to touch-line?



this is irrelevant - davids wasn't 15 yards behind ronaldo. he was at best levelling with him & could have caught ronaldo offside before the pass was made.

What is my own with 15 yards?

coogar:

i am not sure you recognise edgar davids....when ronaldo received that pass, davids was the last man & they were levelled. that's davids in the middle of holland's back 3 - how's that 15 yards behind?

I know Davids well. I am not advocating that Davids was 15 yards behind Ronaldo. I am stating the following

1. Davids was well behind Ronaldo when the attack started.

2. Being level is not the best benchmark to use here. Its like stating that an opposing number 11 is level with a defending number 3. They may be level but there is great yardage between them. Similar to saying Ribery is level with Ashley Cole.

3. There is a Dutch player who is closer to Ronaldo than Davids and another who is slightly ahead of Davids and keeping Ronaldo onside

4. Ronaldo had a HUGE advantage over Davids but Davids managed to catch up.

I remember that move like it was yesterday.

chic2pimp:

C'mon now Elamps was simply over exaggerating for effect. Not only was Davids not that far behind, Ronaldo also slowed down a bit( in an attempt to keep calm and composed)

That picture doesn't tell the story accurately. Davids was well in the Brazilian half when the counter attack started. It may also appear that Davids was level with Ronaldo but the distance between them was great and every knows Ronaldo was no slouch.

eGuerrilla:

To locate intolerance, you need to look no further than the crusaders clamouring for a Christain governor.
Does the general population in Lagos really care? I doubt it.

I thought as much; just wanted to clarify.

eGuerrilla:

It is intolerance by another name which informs this sort of agitation.

What other name? And intolerance on whose part?

elampiro:

Pass accuracy. Mikel is about 90%.

See Edgal below:


TECHNIQUE
Attack: 76
Defence: 76
Header Accuarcy: 71
Dribble Accuracy: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 79
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 79
Long Pass Speed: 84
Shot Accuracy: 72
Place Kicking: 74
Swerve: 69
Ball Control: 85
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
SPEED
Response: 88
Explosive Power: 87
Dribble Speed: 85
Top Speed: 86
SPEED
Body Balance: 86
Stamina: 99
Kicking Power: 90
Jump: 95
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Form: 6
Acceleration: 87
Tenacity: 92
Teamwork: 85




PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P08 - Box to Box
P12 - Goal Poacher
S06 - Long Range Drive
S07 - Shoulder Feint Skills
S08 - Turning Skills
S09 - Roulette Skills
S16 - Jumping Volley
S20 - Double Touch

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Outside
★ Marking
★ Sliding
★ Covering

MOTION STYLE:
Dribble Style: 1
Free Kick Style: 1
Penalty Kick Style: 1

You should provide stats from the same source to be more accurate.

Second, you can't use just one stat to conclude that one player is better than another.

If I provide stats that provide that Klinsmann scored more headers than Messi, would I be correct in stating that stats provide that Klinnsman is better than Messi?

Stupid Nigerians, shouldn't they be clamoring for a competent administrator?

Of what basis is religion an issue? Did Tinubu or Fashola islamasize the State during their tenures?

The next governor may be a Christian but the governor doesn't have to be a Christian.

Dayokanu is mad.

I am almost certain Elampiro stole Dayo's GF.

ochukoccna: Which kain photo be this?
Which wowo photographer you be sef?
How you go display Toolz pix without that big behind?

Any photographer that takes her picture and doesn't start from the back is an amateur.

dayokanu:

Its only analysts who gets facts from pool papers who need to tell lies to buttress their points

This was the ball in flight Ronaldo and Davids highlighted. See the position of the ball, Davids and Ronaldo

Now reform the lie you were trying to feed us with. This time make it more believable. I am sure it was people like you that promoted the India vs nigeria 100-1 fable

I think what Elampiro was trying to state, which he didn't articulate properly, was that Davids was in the Brazilian box when the counter attack started but that Davids still managed to catch up with Ronaldo to prevent him scoring. It was a truly remarkable box-to-box run.

elampiro: Those who believe in stat will pick Mikel Obi over Edgar Davids assuming both played at same time.

I am not saying Jones is Davids, but they are alike in energy level.

In France '98 semi final, Ronaldo Lima went on a counter from just over the centre line, before he got to the 18 box, he had outpaced everyone who was leveled with him and those behind him. As Ronaldo was finally in the box and was about to strike into the net, a fast foot pushed the ball into a corner kick and Ronaldo struck breeze. Whaose. Leg was it, Edgar who was at least 15 yards behind when Ronaldo blasted off from the centre line. I think it should have put Brazil 2-0 up.

In our match against Tottenham, Jones gave a similar chase such that the Tottenham guy was confused before he got to our defense. Jones closed down on his so fast. Statistics don't show things like these.

What stats will you use to pick Mikel over Davids? I am curious.

Coogar

I believe the Mata pass is better for two reasons

1. Mata didn't control the ball first before laying the pass; Silva took one touch to control before laying the pass. Its more difficult without the initial touch to control

2. There were more bodies between the passer and the recipient for Mata's pass.

Both were good passes but I rate Mata much higher.

TerraCotta:

Kats--I agree with the sentiment of your post but I don't think there's any evidence that Japanese needed to borrow a term of thanks from Portuguese (or vice verse). In fact, there's every reason to believe that they are false cognates--two words that have very similar meanings in different languages and are assumed to have the same origin. More here.

The obrigado/arigato issue is an example of the sorts of fanciful etymologies and guesswork-turned-rumor-turned-fact that can cause confusion about history and plagues this thread. I once gave the example of the Latin word "ubi" and the Ife-Ijesha dialect "ubi" (standard Yoruba "ibi", all roughly meaning "somewhere", "a place" etc) here on Nairaland as an example of false cognates. Since then though, I've seen some misguided people use it as "proof" of the relationship between Latin and Yoruba.

Similarly, we have a Yoruba word like "Oduduwa" with primordial Yoruba translations and attachments to other religious terms like "odu" and "olodumare", but we are asked to believe that it is the name of a foreign warrior in an unknown language, a "corruption" of a Bini phrase ("Imadoduwa" ) etc. These are highly unlikely roots.

No where in my post did I suggest that Arigato and Obrigado are cognates. The fact is that Portuguese has words in it that were borrowed from Japan when Portuguese Jesuit priests went to Japan. This is one of the reasons for the differences in certain words that are present in Portuguese but not in Spanish (Castilian) and other Western Iberian languages such as Asturian, Galician, etc.. Most of the words in Portuguese are similar to Spanish words save for spelling differences. The Spanish say muchas gracias but the Portuguese say muito/a Obrigado/a depending on whether is a man or woman saying it. Gracias is feminine which is why muchas must be feminine but obrigado can be both feminine and masculine. This is also partly for the differences between European Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese, since European Portuguese changed a bit since Portuguese was introduced to Brazil in the 15th century. I don't know about many other languages but I know that Portuguese has many borrowed words and English borrowed many latin/romance words. Is your point specific to Japanese/Portuguese or do you believe that languages don't borrow words from other languages that are not cognates?

The links you provided are from blogs and can't be used in this debate.

MetaPhysical:

Yes thats true but visitors are reading up on Brazil before they even get there and places of interest are earmarked for visitation.

Mr Katsumoto, religion has failed humanity. It is sad, that even the teachings of God and the doctrines of morality has failed to concile the spirit to its state of righteousness. Who can save us from the deceipts and immorality of religion? People are insatiated by a hunger to know self..they need a substitute. People are returning to their own inner fires for self salvation and this is why yoga, taichi and all these new age spirituality are spreading. They are old secrets finding new subscribers.

Ifa is a spirituality, not a religion.

Shymexx responded to you and earlier on the topic of good/bad. A good person worships man and dogmas, a bad person worships himself..only someone who is balanced between good and bad worships God and they are good company to have. Living good and bad is in line with the universal principle of harmony and balance.."the median way". Religion taught good as God and positioned bad as evil, but failed to extoll the virtues of the middle path, the inner struggle and its paradoxes and what it means in mundane living. Ifa teaches the opposite. Ifa teaches and extols Eshu, the guardian of the middle path - harmony and balance.

I am in reference to political sovereingty when i say take Yoruba out of Nigeria. Socially, we will continue to have diversity in Yorubaland and cohabit with other ethnics but in a diplomatic arrangement. The experience of 1899 to regional Independence in 1957 is a marker, that of 1963 to date is another marker.

In its history, both in wartimes and peacetimes, no bloody person ever told Ife or Oyo what to do..no one, until after Kiriji! The colonial foreigners gave orders to Oyo and Ife from 1900 to 1957. Then from 1963 forward, Nigerian leaders gave orders to Oyo and Ife.

We might not return to an ancient structure of rulership but the political heirarchy of Yoruba nation will never change from its ancestry. [b]The head of Yoruba nation will not be a President, it will be a Crowned King..[/b]and we hold true as part of our constitution tha the Head is the overall ownership of a destiny, therefore divesting away from an arrangement in which our Heads and destiny is directed and ordered by a Igbo or Hausa or Ijaw is in our collective interest, self serving and great for our future, inspite of other oddities laying in wait to haunt us internally and from within our commonwealth.

1. You called Ifa a religion and I was only using your nomenclature when I referred to Ifa as a religion. So you are only correcting yourself. Lets try to be consistent and not try to appear more knowledgeable in debate.

2. Who will be this crowned king? That there is the first problem you will create. This problem in itself will recreate Kiriji and will kill the Odua nation. If the kings of old could not eliminate one another through war and conquest, what right would any of them have to lay claim as the supreme leader? Trying to impose one religion will also create problems. In my view, Yoruba sons and daughters should only be educated about Ifa corpus through to Secondary school. Everyone should practice what works for them. What should bind Yoruba should be a socio-cultural bond.

MetaPhysical: Shymexx,

On the comparisons of English and Yoruba words, Im not on a wild goose chase; I have a vast collection of words and sounds like I said primarily connecting Yoruba with Old Hebrew language. The keyword is "old hebrew"! That language had origin in Canaan and gave birth to many other modern languages of North Africa, Middle East and influenced Latin/Roman vocabulary.

I looked at how a word as simple as "ra", just two letter words, ended up with penetrating influence in the life of many cultures around the globe.

Im not going to get peoples ears if I start showing how Yoruba is direct linked with modern semitic and arabic languages, simply because no one here will appreciate the connection and anything arab is an automatic turn off. If I say the english word "behind" and yoruba word "ehin" are cognates people will not have problem accepting that. However if I say english word "lately" and yoruba word "lailai" (layelaye) are cognates I will get a pushback. Also, nobody will appreciate that the english word "run" and yoruba word "orun" (sun) have same root. So I have to be careful what I share and its presentation..there is need for softness.

I use english words for the comparisons with Yoruba to highlight the fact that they are both contributions from the same bucket and that bucket is in Egypt/Canaan and thus advancing the placement of Yoruba in AfroAsiatic founding.

I am sorry but that is a lot of BS. How can behind and ehin be cognates? The problem with your approach is that you think speaking and reading/writing were developed at the same time. If we don't read and write language, how would you describe the relationship between 'behind' and 'ehin' other than then ehin letters being present in behind?

You are correct in that nobody will buy the relationships you are suggesting. English and Yoruba do not have the same proto language. Linguistic relationships are based on shared characteristics that do not result from borrowing. Portuguese has many words that are borrowed from Japanese. Someone using your approach will conclude that Portuguese and Japanese are cognates. Obrigado for instance was derived from Arigato; 'arigato is Romaji (application of latin writing to Japanese) which is quite different from the normal Japanese style of logographic characterization.

MetaPhysical:

I agree. A nation must live by the principle of evolution..it must periodically be killed and reborn. Yoruba is continously being killed, no one has reborn it in 30yrs, very troubling for our evolutiin forward.

Oyo became the standard from an administrative need of the colonial government to better supervise and manage the territories. The work of Crowther was more than just missionary, he was also instrumental in calibrating the alphabets. The alphabets need a review and recalibration and this should be the work of our linguists.

Visitors to the next Olympics will see Brazil but will also be exposed to Yoruba influence and this will open a new gate in cultural interest and exchanges, writers, film makers and so on that will again promote Yoruba culture. Perharps we can expect, in addition to the proud past, an emerging future that could make Ifa a world religion.

[b]Yoruba leaders can take us out of Nigeria before tomorrow has dawned, they know what to do politically and legally to make that a reality. [/b]There are certain social structures that were lost to the Nigerian identity and we need first to regain and reinstall those. We have to regain it through the electoral and legislative process first, its a drawn out struggle. If Yoruba can continue to install one government and agenda on the land like we did with AG, UPN and now ACN, I believe in another 20 or 30yrs of that uniformity Yoruba will comfortably divest itself from Nigeria .

The Olympics will be held in Rio which has little Yoruba influence. Visitors to the WC will be more exposed to Yoruba culture in Bahia.

I don't what you mean by Ifa being a world religion. Isn't it practiced by those who believe in it? Why do others need to practice it? The acceptance of your religion by others doesn't make it the right religion.

It would not be so easy to take Yoruba out of Nigeria. I also believe that a common enemy unites the Yoruba. Nigeria united the Yoruba; I fear that there could be a return to old rivalries in a Yoruba only nation. Just my opinion.

debosky: Kazza is probably drowning his sorrows with some extra strength sake tonight.

Loserpool is back to form.

naijababe:


Hahahaha......I hope to see him on our thread soon.

It was just a bad day at the office. And yes, that result knocked the wind out of my sails.

I will bounce back on Wednesday.

Don't sing hosanna just yet; May is still a long way away.

And what will happen if I visit your thread iyalode? You guys are lucky I have not joined the band boys just yet.

PAGAN 9JA:


My opinion (I dont care for the paternal rule. That applied in the past for clan marriage. However in todays day of globalization, it is void for inter-ethnic and inter-racial marriages) :


1: Someone whose parents are both Yoruba

2: Those who raised in Yoruba spirituality/ Ifa traditional religion and who fulfill the above criteria, have a higher claim to Yoruba.

Thanks for your response; I sort of guessed you were going to state this.

birdman:

Being Yoruba has to be about a way of life and set of beliefs more than anything else, even above ancestry. Remember that all humans are essentially the same, and the differences we see are the result of acculturation. Hence you may meet a Yoruba man by ancestry and name who feels more Hausa eg many Ilorin politicians, and you may run into the German woman by ancestry who immigrates to Yoruba land and becomes every bit Yoruba eg Suzanne Wenger.

So I think I could rank your options in order of importance, rather than choosing some over the other. My take:

To me, both of these are the same. They both involve wilful action to do what it takes to be Yoruba

I place will above "genetic lottery". You have no say about what you get born into, so while birth to Yoruba parents is the standard, I wouldnt go crazy with it. Can we really call the British-Nigerian that beheaded someone in Britain Yoruba? Hard to say - I would even suggest that some Nupe folks are even more Yoruba than he is


I think even this option leaves things open. You can choose to take your Yoruba side, or not to do so. I doubt most Yoruba gropus would quibble with you over mom/dad issues if you are exhibiting the omoluwabi traits. We are open minded like that.

I like your response but I have one disagreement - the allusion that there can't be evil or something bad in Yoruba. Even Yoruba spirituality states that good and evil exist for the common good of the universe. Hence the saying say "Buburu ati fere ni o nrin po" ("Bad and good things work together".

Also, I don't subscribe to the notion that some can be more/less Yoruba than others. You either are a Yoruba or you are not. But you can be a good or bad Yoruba. Yoruba history is littered with examples of good and bad Yoruba sons and daughter. Plus you can be both good and bad, just depends on whose point of view.

shymexx: Interesting read. I'm not as knowledgeable as you lot, however, I would like to chip in a few things to defuse the back and forth between "9jacrip" and "metaphysical." Personally, I think both of you are right to an extent. I guess the miscommunication between the both of you has to do with semantics and getting caught up in modern names for geographical locations and people.

[b]Firstly, when dealing with history, we have to use timeline. And when using timeline, it's necessarily to argue based on what was attainable at that point in history. I believe the disagreement has to do with "Afroasiatic"/"Afroasia" and "Arab." [/b]How about we use the real names those places were called at that point in history? The area of interest, which is the Israel/Palestine axis was part of Africa, at the point in history. Also, let take "Arab" out of the equation because there was no one called "Arab" back then. The Arab ethnicity started much later due to admixture. So Yoruba's have no connection whatsoever with Arabs. If you lot can do that, I believe the debate would be more interesting. Yes, a lot of people have posted scholastic/academic posts with references about the history of Yoruba's in Nigeria. However, anyone who has been privileged to study the history of Africa would know that the history of the Yoruba's didn't start in Nigeria. Yoruba's got to Nigeria via different migration waves. So the question would always be: where did the Yoruba's migrate from to present day Nigeria? We can just limit our scholarship to just Nigeria. Those before us set the ball rolling with that - this generation needs to take it to the next level, to enable us know who we truly are and where we've been.

[b]The Oduduwa story has already been discarded by today's historians as a myth/folklore [/b]and it's only right that this generation takes it to the next level, by trying to solve the puzzle about the origin of the Yoruba's. I know all the written records started in the 18th, but I believe there are certain artefacts and links we can explore. I believe Ifa is one of them (still reading about it). Another thing most Yoruba people don't care about is the Oranmiyan Obelisk. The other two places with Obelisk in ancient times were Thebes (Luxor) in ancient Egypt and Axum in the ancient Kingdom of Aksum (Ethiopia) - and it represnts the sun god Ra (everywhere else you see obelisk in modern times, including churches and Washington Monument, it represents a borrowed culture). So did the first migration wave of the Yoruba's happen after the death of Akhenaten? And how about let's trace the source of the Oranmiyan Obelisk and how it found its way to Ile-Ife? Who brought it there since Obelisk in ancient times were only in two places - Thebes and Aksum?

Secondly, I don't think linguistics can be used to determine origin. I believe using genetics/haplogroup will paint a better picture. I'll argue based on what some posters asserted earlier and reference the Yoruba-Benin-Igbo link. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the connection between Yoruba's and Igbo's linguistically has to do with Igala's being between the two ethnic groups. And Igala is a Yoruboid language. Also, the two groups have lived side-by-side for a long time. Evidently, you would expect both cultures to influence each other. Genetically, using haplogroup E1b1a DNA, you would find out that, Yoruba's are more related to the Bamileke's, Mandinka's, Tutsi's and Fulani's - than they're related to Igbo's or even Edo's. However, linguistically, they're somewhat different from these other. I can do a comparative analysis to explain that. For example: France today may linguistically be a proto-romance/neo-latin country, however, that doesn't change the fact that most ethnic French people descended from the Celts, and I believe they're more related to present-day Irish/Scottish people than they're related to people from the Latin countries (Italy, Spain and Portugal). Perhaps, that's why I think using linguistics to determine origin is flawed.

Finally, I look forward to reading more intelligent posts from you guys. I'm not as knowledgeable in Yoruba history as most of you guys but I've learnt a lot from this thread. You guys need to keep the fire burning.

Shalom!

Nice write up. Just a few comments.

1. There isn't anything scientific about the Yoruba migrating from the middle east. Until such a theory is supported by evidence, we might as well speculate that the Yoruba might have migrated from China. It is safe to state that the Yoruba migrated from the Sudan-Nile axis like all other sub-saharan groups

2. No one has discarded Oduduwa as a myth. What we all agree on is that Oduduwa did not climb down a chain. There are a few like TerraCotta who believe he didn't exist but there are still Yoruba historians such as Ade-Ajayi who believe such a man existed and some of these historians hold on to the belief that he migrated from the middle-east. I believe they hold on to that because they can't prove where he really came from and won't accept he was Bini for obvious reasons.

3. You can't compare European language assimilation with that in Africa. Primarily because Europeans have spent the better part of their history conquering one another. For instance, Latin was spoken across much of Europe for close to 1500 years. The Saxons also took old english to England when they started conquering England in the 5th century. African conquests were on smaller scales and didn't last long enough for conquering languages to supplant native ones.

I have a question.

Who qualifies as Yoruba?

1. Someone whose parents are both Yoruba?

2. Someone whose father is Yoruba, mother is non-Yoruba and not raised as Yoruba

3. Someone whose mother is Yoruba, non-Yoruba father but raised as a Yoruba

4. Only those who raised in Yoruba spirituality/ Ifa traditional religion

5. Those forcefully removed as slaves but who still continue to be Ifa followers but not so fluent in Yoruba except for incantations

I could go on and on with different examples. But the central question remains - what makes one Yoruba?

Please no one person can define this, so I am only after opinions.

Afam4eva: This is over-zealousness at it's very height and to show how distasteful his action was, the comments of APC supporters on this thread speaks volume. There are better ways to go about things like this. To think this is the same man that was supposedly fighting on the side of the masses when he was the president of NLC.

A man doesn't know himself, let alone others knowing him, until he has more money than he ever imagined having.

Acts such as this by a policy maker is what turns some citizens into heartless criminals. And when they (heartless citizens) are caught, Oshiomole will sign their death warrants. Meanwhile the ugly mofo will be totally oblivious to his own cruelty and its concomitant negative effects.

Nigerian politicians, and Nigerians in general, have tended to be insensitive to the plight of others Nigerians. I am surprised he didn't have her arrested.

9jacrip:

I've engaged Mr. Metaphysics a number of times, him and I stay running on a parallel and there seems to be no convergence in sight. It got tiring, so I decided to stay aloof to see how he'd sell his theory to you and what your reaction would be.

His theory, though seems sweet doesn't appear tenable to me. As long as he's not a linguist/linguist historian nor etymologist, Yoruba and Arab/M.East do not share similarities politically, culturally/socially; lastly if, how Arabs were known to have been record keepers, we cannot find any document(s), no matter how small to corroborate Metaphysics' theory of migration then I'd only take his thesis and how he renders words and accents to sound similar mere fantasies. I suspect he's a Muslim anyway and I'm beginning to question is motive.

Furthermore, Yoruba history pre-oduduwa is 'lost' and archeological findings haven't helped much. History during Oduduwa's era is also shrouded in myths of different versions and those we deem to be 'authorities' had to take these myths, sieve through and gave it plausible interpretations and this is what we will all keep doing over and over. Honestly, the only untapped field where Yoruba history appears to be is Ifa corpus/Yoruba religion. I might be wrong though but having gone round and round debating the handed down oral history, the Ifa people always seem to have some details held back and not in circulation.

For example, when I did a research on Moremi/Edi Festival (I interviewed Ife traditionalists like Obalufe, Yekere Chief etc) I was told her son's name was Ela or Oluorogbo but on becoming privy to some family stuffs, I was told Ela/Oluorogbo was never Moremi's son, but rather a different deity entirely who happened to have introduced writing in Ile-Ife etc and I given the details I got because I wasn't an 'initiate'

This makes a lot of sense.

So you have all had this debate with Metaphysics in the past and no one warned me. You all wanted me to go through what you went through. Its my fault for not visiting the culture section often enough.

PAGAN 9JA:


IT is not said anywhere. This is not like the bible or quran.

It is understood.

I am talking about Yorubas. so if you are not Yoruba, you dont need to reply.

Again, its not me who is saying it. It is the general idea. You have no right to use the name of Odudua and disresepect Odududuas beliefs.

There is supposed to be 1 form of religion.

becuase there isnt, is the reason why our world is in bad shape today.

Please explain how I have disrespected Oduduwa's belief?

And then explain who has the right to use Oduduwa's name in a discussion about Yoruba history.

PAGAN 9JA:



IF you belong to Yoruba, you must follow Yoruba.

This is not me saying, this is the Yoruba saying.

stop calling yourself Yoruba if you cant be Yoruba.

where is it said that you must follow Yoruba if you are Yoruba?

And when did I state what group I belong to?

I repeat 'you don't have any right to tell people what they choose to be. Even fathers don't have that power and God who does, allows us to have a choice. Otherwise there would be one religion.

Obalufon:
Oooooooooo! is good to believe white lie but black lie never!! .When you condemn the believe of other people's religion. stop being rational about the history and believe of Yoruba people. Mentioning the name of highly revered deity or figure like as oduduwa,shango desecrate ,violate the sacredness of our native religion and history.just believe or drop dead Mr man.

Read my post again; this time slowly.

Don't wear ignorance like an armour.

And stop that nonsense about anyone dropping dead.

We are discussing Yoruba history here; if you want to place curses, you better find your way to a fake shrine.

PAGAN 9JA:
Yoruba Religion is Ifa Orisha. Period.

ANy Yoruba man, woman or child disclaiming this religion should be kicked out.

Kicked out to where?

And who are you to tell others what they should accept or not?

If the God who made us all didn't force religion/spirituality on anyone, who are you to decide what is right for others?

naijababe:

Truce?! On my thread?!! Nucca please !!!!!

No sweat.

The last time I unleashed on this thread, you went missing, Dobosky went emotional, and Pataki complained on the politics complaints thread for 5 days straight.

No be Champions League, we dey wait ASSnal failure. I just have to be patient.

Let the record state that the GAYners Pataki and Naijababe broke the truce.

I am a patient footie fan. I will be here.

naijababe: Where are the band boys na?!

why do you only show face after Arsenal wins?