Oops

Correction in the last paragraph

In America children say to their parents "you can't hit me or I'll call the police"

Well in the Eurocentric culture, especially here in America the children are view as equals to their parents in the sense that what is good for the child is good for the family.
Where in most African cultures and others what is good for the family is good for the child (not saying that our children are not valued).

Most people in the Eurocentic culture believe strongly that spanking your child is a form of abuse because the child is entitled to have an opinion and able make choices. Further more they believe that spanking damages the child's self esteem and that we should be very flexible with our children, allow them as much Independence as possible and not to intervene with children too much.

This is not a bad concept, I just do not agree that it is effective in establishing the clear rules, boundaries, discipline, valued community life, accountability to community and respect for human life which is essential to living. Further more children many need lot's intervention to help them work through life until they are able to handle them selves.     

Of coarse there is a fine line but for this Eurocentric culture the fine line can be disrespectful to other cultural practices of disciplining or spanking their children.  In America it has gotten so bad that children actually tell their parents "You can hit me or I'll call the police" So the Eurocentric government has moved itself in the position of becoming the parent within the household underminding parents and has set the standard for what good parenting is and is not. This is a problem for many people because it goes against their cultural practices which is not considered abuse defined by the culture.

True indeed Sis,

My apologies if I stated spanking as abuse because i do not see it that way. That would be a very eurocentric way of doing things.
I think spanking becomes necessary and each parent has to decide when and how spanking takes place within their homes.

But there are some people who abuse their children and are not aware of it, in fact they call it spanking.

Abuse means something different for everyone.
so it truly has to be defined and examined.

I have many friends from Africa (more in Liberia & Nigeria) that told me about different methods of spanking and discipline used by their parents that affects their lives in a negative way. One of the most critical ones is the mental abuse of not allowing them to be their own person.

Quite truthfully I think that in my culture as an African American woman I may have some of the same cultural practices of spanking as African's all across the world. In-Fact I know that some of them are the same. Yes some are abusive and some are not.

But I truly agree with you about the difference in being abusive and spanking.

Good guy
Your faith requires it huh?

WOOOOO

I think we have to seriously defind spanking and every method we use to spank our children.

Today's children are different from how many of us were when we were growing up and we have to take that into account.

Punishment in my oppinion is wrong. It is very damaging to children and I think it's a method of control used in a wrongful way.

Disciplining your child is a completely different thing. Understanding their behaviors is a must, then being wise enough to know how to guide and re-direct their behaviors is another important factor.

Many children grow up scared from abuse of their parents and they have had to live their own lives seeing this abuse as normal. Then when they have children they abuse their children because they think it's normal.

I think having structure in our homes and making the rules clear is a must, but being controlling till the point of abuse is crazy and it has to stop.
Children should be respectful to their parents and other fellow humans and society without question. One thing is for sure, our children learn from us. so some of the behaviors we show our children they pick it and if we don't model good behaviors then why are we expecting to see good behaviors? It's bigger than telling your child something, we have to truly be examples for them.

Yes sometimes you may hit your child but I think each time you decided to hit your children they need to know why they are being hit so that they may understand. Also they do not need to be hit while you are upset because you may hurt them more.

To slap someone in the face is an insult. Now as adults we would feel insulted to be slapped in the face, so is it to say that because our children are children that it's OK to slap them in the face?

Just because our parents did it to us does not mean that we have to do it to our children. All we have to do is think about how it made us feel and how it makes our children feel.
They are human and yes they are children given to us from the most high, but they are not our property to treat any way that we want. We are to guide, protect, love, provide and nurture them until they are able to do these things for themselves.

Sometimes we want them to live the life we want for them without considering that they are people too and they have their own interest in life that we should be supportive of, even if we disapprove of it.

Hey we have lived ours now they should live theirs. Again if we model the best of our selves to them then they will pick up some if not all of those qualities. But we have to remember that they have their own personalities and their own way of doing things just as we do. Many of us do live our lives out just as our parents want us to but how many of us are truly happy with that choice now that we are grown?

Yes there are some children who are just very disrespectful and have gone in the wrong direction. This is sad and as a parent we always want the best for our children as we should.
So I do understand, but I do not believe that abusive control is the answer. Or depriving them of things so that they may learn a lesson. If they don't want to listen to their parents, you better believe that life will teach them the hard way.


( Sorry I just went on, maybe because I'm a pre-School teacher)

Sister Rhoda,

Actually I do read your posts, I understood you quite clearly.

What I pointed out about fasting is that in the religion of Islam we are taught to understand that fasting is more than abstaining to food. So in other words I am aware of the same things that you speak of. Fasting is good for the spirit but other parts of the body benefit as well. One physical benefit is that you can loose weight. There are More.

So I think I complimented and added to what you stated.


In some of my other posts I alway pointed out that Mohammad is an Prophet and that if people knew the life of Prophet Mohammad then they will see all of the prophets reflected within him, even Jesus (Peace Be Upon Them All).

But for me I do not have to valaidate Mohammad being a prophet by the life of Jesus, No I do not have to do that at all!!!
Jesus is not the criteria by which Mohammad is judged, Allah is sufficient enough.

The question is are you really reading my posts? And if so are you understanding what you are reading?
Reading and understanding something is two completely different things.

It's can  be tricky trying to build with you because you don't seem to have a religious base. 
It seems as if you don't have solid grounds to stand on outside of your self.
I know that you read or study the Bible and you quote the Bible through out your posts but if you are not Christian than how can the Bible be your base?

In this day and time only a very learned scholar and a Christian who studies Christianity truly knows and has a great understanding of the life of Jesus, which qualifies them to speak his words in the way that you have within your post.
In the case of a learned scholar they would study all Religions in it's proper context to be able to speak intelligently about Allah's prophets, they would also be able to see how they all represented the same principles. 
In addition to that this learned Scholar would recognize Allah's work through Mohammad (PBUH)

I mentioned before that it seems as if you do not have a base in terms of not taking upon one of the ways the Allah reveled for mankind to practice their beliefs.
I understand this to be very dangerous because you are not on either side, you are just neutral. Because you are neutral it makes you dangerous for any religious group.

I'm not saying that if a person is not Muslim then they will not understand the Qu'Arn or if a person is not Christian that they will not understand the Bible. I'm simply saying that a person who is not Muslim can not teach me how to be Muslim and a person who is not ChChristianan not teach another how to be a Christian.

I see religion to be the structure for the soul and spirit, not an oppressive system. People use religion to oppress others but I don't believe religion it self is oppressive.

Back to the points,

There is a way for the Bible to be properly understood and it has to be put into it's proper context. We can not truly intrepid the deeper meaning of Allah's word on our own without a higher guidance or understanding, unless we have been a student, or unless we have receive divine guidance from Allah.

The quotes that you have posted does not seem to be in line with the last point you were making. In fact I didn't even see how that quote could be broken down into the point you were making.

I do have a very good Study Bible, so I am aware of the quotes and some of it's context.
 
I'm not confused, I'm just wondering just where you are comming from?


-Your sister,
-Kenya

nana,

everyone's body is different so if sweets help you then use your sweets.
If I were you I would just think about getting more Iron into my body so that I don't get bad teeth or other effects from the sweets.

Good Guy, now I know you care about human life huh?

Thanks everyone,


@ Scorpio

Yeah that chocolate and candy craving is a killer. It's so hard to get away from it.

The chocolate and sweet craving is due to a lack of Iron.
During the menses we loose lots of Blood which affects our iron level.
Chocolate has iron in it and many sweets as well, mainly chocolate though. So because we loose lot's of blood our bodies crave the sweets to compensate the Iron that it lost. That's why we feel tired and drained or just low on energy.
If we were to use vitamins that provided iron or even took iron pills and certainly eat foods with Iron within it then this will lessen and eventually take care of the sweet craving.  It's tough though, but it's certainly attainable.

Really I have read in this African Medicine books that it was not normal for women to have cramps, especially serious enough to bring you to your knees or a doctor.
Some of the preventive things I listed were things women were not doing that caused the pain.


@Layi
I don't see pleasure in the pain, in-fact you really don't even want to be near me when I'm in pain least I snap on you , unless your trying to help relax me.   

I just think the fact that our bodies are being cleansed and re newed is a beautiful thing,
Besides it gives us a break from our sex driven husbands or boyfriends who can't seem to get enough

Yessssss.

I use to have terrible pain during my menses, I hated it.
Now my body has seemed to reach a certain level of balance.
The pain has a lot to do with the bodies temperament and our diets.
I don't have the full 7 days which I am grateful for. I'm not sure if I can handle it. I feel so bad or the women who go the full term .
May things be easier for them.

I have some things I will share. (Note) Everyone's bodies are different and these things I am sharing are from my personal experience. There may be some cultural practices you have in Nigeria that may work for you.

(- Prevention Suggestions

1) We should drink plenty of water before our menses start to support the flow of the blood.
2) We should eat less dairy product to prevent disregulation of the female body system (no ice cream)
3) We should drink warm liquids (room temperature water) to support the normal warm temperature of our bodies & it helps the blood flow evenly.
4) We should use Raspberry's in our daily diets. Raspberry's tone the Uterus and supports the female body system.
5) We should get enough Iron in our bodies to avoid feeling drained or tired. Take your daily vitamins.
6) Don't have sex, it only agitates the body and can be very harmful (disgusting in my oppinion)
7) Don't walk around bare foot, keep your foot covered with socks or slippers or shoes.
Don't wear tampons, this is very convenient but un-natural and it disrupts the blood flow, causing the blood to become clotted and in most cases causes cramps and yeast or bacteria infections. Maxi pads are better because they allow the blood to flow naturally. It doesn't feel the greatest to us but our bodies appreciate it allot more.
9) Caress your abdominal area and lower back before hand to help relax your muscles. Your partner can do this for you as well. 
There's more but this is all I can thin of off top of my head.

( Suggestions when in pain

1) Go to sleep if you are able, your body will feel so much better because it is not being strained.
2) Do not exercise!!!! this will disrupt the blood flow and cause pain. It can be done but it is not a wise thing to do, we want our blood to flow naturally and evenly.
3) Drink Raspberry or herbal tea. Keep the fluids warm please it will only help. Even orange juice has helped me at times.
4) Take a warm soothing bath then keep your body covered in warm clothing, feet too!!!
5) If the cramp is very hard what I do is go to the toilet and allow it to flow out as I relax my muscle's, it feels so much better .
6) Gently rub your abdominal area and eventually place your hand over it to warm the spot and keep it there until you feel better.
7) I really try to stay away from modern medicine because it can be so harmful, if all fails I take Aleive, it works for me so well.
Again try to relax your abdominal and lower back muscle's by massaging them or having them massaged, usually part of the cramps come from tensed muscle's.
9) Lastly just RELAX and try to take your mind off of it . Remember this is a very emotional time for us, almost anything irritates us, people talking to us, people looking at us or anything. It's crazy and funny when you think about it. We probably exaggerate the pain due to the over whelming emotional side of it. 

Our bodies are so complexed but the cleansing process of having a menses is a sometimes painful but a very beautiful thing.

Many people die from second hand smoking,
Babies die from S.I.D.S. Sudden Infant Death Syndrome which some cases have proved to come from the smoke off of their parents clothing. Babies are born of low birth weight due to smoking.

Yes I think it should be banned because it's a personal choice that negatively affects society of a larger level.

Smoke at home, in your car.

Why should we die because you want to smoke?

Yeah fasting can be a tough thing to get used to.
But if we think about it, we fast from food every night when we are sleeping.
Our bodies go without it for several hours everyday.
But it teaches us allot. I don't always make it successfully through Ramadan, I'm getting better but it is something that must be practiced over time in order to perfect.

I think people should do it when they are ready and at their own pace.

Rhoda,
I over looked many things you said.

Yes I'm aware of the different levels of fasting and that each Prophet used fasting in their diets, christians fast, everyone does.
But No one fast for 30 days like the Muslims. Everything we do is different as specific to our Culture of Islam so it can not be compared with other religions Rhoda.

You will find simularities but not the same practice.

Oh Rhoda

For clarity
I don't doubt Allah's word or truth that's a part of why I am Muslim and I chose Islam as my way of life, while respecting everyone else.

Thank you very much Rhoda, of course all praises are due to the most high. Any good that you find is truly from Allah, all era's are mines.

Now Rhoda,
you know that I disagree with you about Mohammad (PBUH) not being a prophet. All Prophets are messengers, Not all Messengers are Prophets, while I did not make it clear as I laid out the 5 pillars of Islam, it does not mean that he is not a Prophet.
Let me corect that
2) Mohammad is the messenger and Prophet of Allah

To say that Mohammad is not a Prophet only a messenger or that he is a false Prophet is truly a disrespect to Islam
I guarantee you that Jesus would disagree with you and be dis-appointed with that statement. 

Usually I don't take something like this too lightly, but because you don't know the religion I will be flexible as say that before you speak of the religion, please at least study it or ask someone of that faith about your doubts before you form oppinons or veiws. It is only wise to do so.

Again even though I did not clarify it when laying out the Pillars, I made it clear in other area's that Mohammad was the Prophet of Allah through Islam.

Many Muslims will point out Mohammad in the bible as the one that Jesus spoke of to come as a comforter in his name.
Many of us will say that If you knew the life of Prophet Mohammad then you will see Jesus reflected.
Many of us will say that Mohammad is the one who broke the seven seals( in revelation)  that was placed on man's light of knowledge, wisdom and understanding after Jesus left mankind.

It get's so deep Rhoda, but let's keep it light for now. 




GoodGuy-

The way you responded seemed like an attack to me.
But of course I live in a different country where the customs are different, so I could be mis-reading you. If you say that you were not attacking me then I will take your word.

Well because you put the dollar signs there on the BUTT
I would tell you to put your mouth where your money is
how's that?


What would you do if the doctor told you that you had 24 hours to live?

Oh yeah I just be talking stuff, really.

I'm such a hot item for the men for whatever reason, in fact there's too many chasing me.
It drives me crazy. I look at the ground when I walk outside .
They just don't stop.

I'm single by choice for sure. Not always happy about it but it's best for now. and I definatly don't want to settle.
But everyone does goes through different fazes in life.

Thanks

Fiery, Yeah I'm one of the most fiery persons you will know.  Seriously, I'm actually proud of myself for composing myself as well as I have, seeing how I've been attacked.
I have truly been semi delicate with the kafirrs but not too easy, yet easy enough to support their current level of understanding.
Trust me it doesn't matter what is brought to me from their book, the Absolute truth stands on it's own. They have yet to read or study the Qu'Arn but they want to tell me he truth? I'm not at all impressed, nor am I moved and further more I have not seen the truth of the bible be correctly translated into practical terms that is truly understood.
It really seems spooky and irrational for the most part. I have tried to balance it out with the logic of common sense that Islam teaches us.

This forum is fun for me, it's like a pencil sharpener. It's a great learning tool because it keeps you sharp and in tack with what you believe.
My emotions are not greatly invested into this. It's not Stimulating enough, this type of thing can go over forever.

Besides when people act as some of these people are acting it is only because they truly desire to learn, so I'm using this as an opportunity to teach Insha'Allah.

-Kenya

Oh No sister I am not apologizing for any truth that I have have said. I apologies for the way I may have used the truth to disrespect or hurt others. I truly belie that Allah wants us to use our intelligents on a higher level than insulting people and being dis-respectful.
I am merely trying to follow the way of my heart and our prophet Mohammed. Being truthful and respectful of others, but I will not and have not backed away from the truth. My truth has not changed from the very first post that I posted.

Word is Bond.
I am a Muslimah for life.

Thank you Rhoda Rose, You too have a beautiful spirit. May Allah continue to strengthen, guides and protect us all.
I must say that again I truly respect you and just so that you know.
I truly have an understanding of Christianity and the Holy Bible (in a Western way). I respect them both, in-fact I have to respect them in-order to be Muslim.
Please know that as a Muslimah (Muslim woman) I believe in
1) belief in Allah & the last days
2) Mohammad is the messenger of Allah
3) Fasting during Ramadan
4) Making the Hajj (visit to the Kabbah in Mecca)
5) Giving charity. The 5 pillars of Islam.
With this I believe in the 6 Pillars of Iman or faith.

With that being said I do not accept the notion that Jesus was the last Prophet.
To accept that notion would mean that Islam is not real and that Prophet Mohammad was not a true Prophet of Allah's. This is also means that I have doubted Allah's words and truth spoken through prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I hope you understand that this is very contray to my beliefs and the religion I practice.  
Again I respect your beliefs but they are not my beliefs to share with you. If we must connect I much rather stay focused on the fact that there is only one all knowing, One.

Good Guy-

If you look back in the same post that you proclaim that I contradicted myself in you will see that the words that I used are clear and free of contradition.
I clearly said that all Allah has to do is say BE and then it will be. So that means that if he wanted Mary (PBUH) to be pregnant then she will be pregnant. I never said that Allah did not impregnate Mary(PBUH) with Jesus (PBUH). I never said that, in-fact I didn't even entertain that notion.
What I said was that I did not believe that Jesus was the son of Allah's. I did not explained the logic for my belief, but I never discredited nor limited the Abilities of the most high. That's an insult to my intelligence, although I am forgiving. Just ask me why I don't believe the notion and I wil answer, but don't accuse me of something I did not say nor believe. (Please don't) I am open to any faults or mistakes that I make, just point them out.

Here;s the deal-

You can choose to believe what you will believe about what makes your life comfortable.
I will not be moving from the position that I take, so you can quit trying. Everything that you have brought to me does not support the current level of knowledge, wisdom or understanding that I have been blessed with, further more it doesn't support the logic that I understand. I am very open but you have to make truthful sense in order to keep my attention. I don't feel that you are reading my post clearly, because you are responding to things that I have already clearly answered or addressed. So it seems that this is becoming redounded. If you are not sure and have questions then just ask, I'm open and  will tell you what I honestly think, believe and feel. If you are just un comfortable because I choose to practice Islam then that's fine also.
The truth is I am your sister no matter how you look at if. I am of the human and African Descent, so On a level of being your fellow human sister I am your Cultural sister. No I am not Nigerian, but my Orgins lies within Africa. This is un changeable and I still love you.  

I'm not trying to convert you to Islam and tell you that your beliefs are wrong. I simply said that there was more to what you understand of your religion. I just said in a way that you were not comfortable with. I apologized to you and used better words (that was my intent).  
You seem to be attacking my words or me instead of having dialog with me. Why?

Okay people I see the term lesser degree I used is not working cause I'm gettin heat about it. I apologized about this term seeming disrespectful. I will strive to use better terms in the future.
It's not the term that I'm focused on, it's the point I made about how the different levels of knowledge that was reveled. Each religions truth is relavant without question.

My point is that the most current knowledge was reveled through Islam. Christianity has less information due to the time it was reveled in. It has less information because the revelation was not completed, there was still more to come and the remainder came through Islam.
Allah reveled things in stages and still revels things in stages.

Again my intentions is not to be disrespectful to Christian's.

To be honest I don't think because I practices Islam as my way of life that it is better than anyone who chooses Christianity.
I just know the difference in the level of understanding.

I never said that Islam is superior, I think I choose to point out more important facts.
You can do the research or study of Islam for yourself and then tell me if you think it's superior. I'm very open.
I try to be careful not to speak about things I don't have enough knowledge of or haven't studied. Too much speculation is harmful.

Good Guy- I love, respect and admire Jesus (such a beautiful being, a model for the world) he's my brother.

No I do not believe that Allah has a son. For me that would mean that Allah has a wife or has been intimate with a woman (Mary to be exact).
It will also equate Allah with being a man or human being. For me Allah is greater than anything we can imagine. I believe that we are all servants of Allah and nothing more. According to the Qu'Arn & Bible Abraham was the only prophet that Allah be friended, but still a servant of Allah's.
I know that Allah does not need man to produce a child, for all he has to say is BE and it is. So again I do not believe Allah has a child or children. My common senses won't allow me to incorporate that concept into my beliefs.
I do understand the son, children and the trinity concept but I associate no partners with Allah. Allah does not need us for anything.
I come from a Christan family, my father is a Pastor and I live in a Christan society.

No I do not believe that Jesus died for everyone's sin's.
How is that possible? What's the point of Judgment day? Is it for everyone who's not Christian's?
What's the point of trying to correct our wrong? How did Jesus save everyone when he was UN-able to save himself?

I can not live my life by this concept.
Again I understand the concept but I think it's mis leading and set's people up to fail.
For me that means that if Jesus died for my sins then I am not accountable for myself and I am free to do wrong.
I understand every soul to be accountable for it self (one point of judgment day). 
I think that Jesus sacrificed his life trying to get people to see the light that he was, trying to help correct the wrong, helping people learn to live a good life and the cost was death for him at a young age. I believe Jesus was blessed from birth with Wisdom, knowledge and Understanding that knowone on earth had in his times. (Very beautiful spirit)

I don't want to battle, but i am open to dialog.

I was actually serious when I said it may be better to enjoy it. What I meant by it was to make the best out of the ugly situation to possible save your life. Distracting him possibly to find ways out, hopefully.
I didn't mean to be disrespectful because truthfully you can never enjoy something like that. It's so awful and degrading .

I realize I should have spoken clearer.
I don't believe it is a mans nature to rape but I do believe having sexual desires is natural. The fact that this man's sexual desires were used in a hurtful, disrespectful and degrading way that resulted in criminal activity is wrong. That I believe.

Hey I'm going to keep it real for myself again.
I live a good life but it's empty. Maybe it's the fact that I'm approaching 30 and I have been single for many years and have no children. I have had friends but not a solid relationship.
Hey I'm defiantly a fly woman with many beautiful moments and All, I study my Religion, have a relationship with God, good social life and all, but at the end of the day             I'M STILL LONLY. LONELYD

Maybe it's a faze and it will pass, BUT I'M SURE IT WILL COME BACK AROUND AGAIN.

RhodaRose

Sister I am sorry and I apologize, I did not post my response to the right person. Please forgive me .
My post should have been directed at good guy.
Thank you for pointing it out to me. May God continue to bless you.
Sincerely, your sister.

Good Guy-

I don't detest Christianity it would be foolish and I do respect everyone's choice, yet it doesn't mean that I don't have an oppinion of the truth.
Yeah I know what you will say next. If I respect it then why have an oppinion.
Well I'm human and that's just the way it is sometimes. We all have opinions about things.
I'm not Judging Muslims who convert to Christianity saying that they are going to hell, Now that would be wrong for me to say that.

Let me make it a little more clearer for you. When I say lesser degree I mean exactly what I said. It's not disrespectful if you understand it correctly.  My apologies if you feel that way, that was not my intent.

Because Islam was reveled as the last Revelation to mankind it makes Christianity, Judaism and any other Religion a lesser degree of knowledge, understanding and wisdom.  It's just like reading an old dictionary that has been revised 3 times. For me it makes since to read the most current dictionary to get a greater and more current understanding. This does not mean that the Bible or Torah does not have truth. 

I'm not apposed to being criticized for my beliefs, nor Will hide my beliefs for anyone. I believe in Allah and that is enough for me.
As I said before, I can not defend the religion of Islam it defends it self. I chose to post my feed back in a way that was respectful to everyone because I think it is an intelligent and right way to do things, not because I don't was to be criticized.

I hope that we are clear and in peace brother ,

Hey Kenya, I’m not worked up. I just got here Every human being is given free will to accept or not accept and face the consequences of their choices. Allah states in the Qur’an: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. The right course has become clear from error. So whoever disbelieves in idols and believes in Allah has grasped the most trusthworthy handhold with no break in it.” Allah also says to us: “On this day I have perfected your religion for you and chosen for you Islam.” Also, Muslims recite Sura Fatiha at every prayer, which asks Allah to guide us on “the straight path”, and not the path where Allah's "wrath is brought down” or “those who go astray.” Clearly, there is a right way and a wrong way ... a good way and a bad way. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
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Naw Sis We understand each other perfectly clear.  I'm with you. What I was saying is that Allah said that he preferred Islam for us, he didn't say that the other religions were not a choice he just said that he perfected and preferred Islam for us. As a woman who wants to follow right guidance I will follow what Allah preferred, which is Islam:  So even as a Muslimah I respect everyones choice of religion. It's not for me to say who's wrongly guided. Allah has made it clear already, so I'm not concerned with it. Hey but Thank you for the clarity, very good point Illustrated. That's what Islam does for the mind.



Just to respond to Rhoda Rose,

Sister it saddens me because I am a Muslim woman who loves, knows, respects and appreciates the religion. It is foolish for me to be happy to know that my brother or sister has transgresssed to a lesser degree of understanding when the riches knowledge, truth and understanding has been given to them. I am happy for anyone who becomes Muslim counsciously. Yes it is their choice and I respect their choice, yet it still saddens me. When you know the truth you just know.

The only reason I could imagine such a high turn over rate for Muslims becoming Christain is because of the lack of understanding, guidance and faith people have of the religion. Just because a person lives in a Muslim country or is born of a muslim family doesn't mean that they understand the religion. I wouldn't say that because Muslims converted into Christains that Islam is not the truth. Islam is not fitting for everyone. It's the highest degree of knowledge available to mankind and everyone is not ready for it. Islam is mathmatical, about adding things up, using your common senses if you know how to acsess them. 
The truth of the matter is that Allah guides whom he pleases and many people are called to the religion but few are choosen. 
Here in America where I live there is a high turn over with Christains converting to Islam.
So it tells me that people are currupted by the practice of Islam in some countries and currupted by Christainity in others, yet it doesn't  mean that the religion is impure.

I don;t beleive I said that the Bible was not a book of truth, I belive I said that truth can be found anywhere and that the most current revelation of truth reveled to mankind was Islam. (Do the math and you will find it to be true.)

I have not and nor am i here to disrespect Christainity, I will speak the logical truth of what I know using my common senses.
As a Muslim I have to respect the Bible and the Torah, yet those are not the books I study. They are not of my intrest, the Qu'Arn is the book that I study.
Your approach to me tells me that you lack correct knowledge and understanding of my religion and you seem to be closed minded about other religions outside of yours.
Sister I represent, peace, truth, righteousness and I am clear in what I say. If you can not respect it then please don't respond.  I think we have gotten of track here because this discussion is about Allah and God being the same or different , not about Christainity verses Islam. I don't have to defend Islam, In-fact Islam is bigger than anything I could comprehend , this religion defends itself, Just read the Qu'Arn.
I practice and support, speak of the religion, not defend it.

We can create another forum for that, if you really want to go there. For me there is really is nothing to compare, truth stands on it's own.

This is silly how we are getting worked up about his. If we cannot be peaceful and logical then wy are we posting things? This is not about being bias, we should speak clear truth.

I agree that the Language from each ethnic group may mean the same. But the understanding of Allah is different, Arab or not, African or not, American or not. It's not really the language it's the understanding of Who Allah is. It's mixed up with his prophets and so many different idea's from mankind that makes Allah a ghost or something else, even makes Allah a Man. This is All wrong and there has to be clarity so that people will know the truth about Allah, his prophets and the truth of heaven and earth, Jinns, and everything else created.
That's what Islam represents.

Allah says in the Qu'arn that he perferred Islam as our way of life. He did not say that it was mandatory or that it was better than anyother religion, He aid that it was the way that he preferred. Allah respects every path so why are we trippen.

Truth be told, We can find truth in almost anything. So if that's all that we are looking for then we will go in circles for the rest of our lives. Truth without proper guidance or proper knowledge and understanding of the Truth is almost equal to not having found truth.

Islam is not the enemy of Christianity, so we should stop the childish games of what is the truth and what isn't. They both are true in many ways. And clearly the are both very different. One book the Qu'arn stands on it's on as a comfirmer of all truths that have been exposed to mankind. It speaks of all religions and anything that we could imagine and brings clarity to our minds and souls and points out that which is not true.
Anyone who says that they are Muslim have to respect the foundation of the righteous that was laid before Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). In respecting the foundation we also understand the difference in the time and context that things were reveled and the order of Revelation that man must respect and follow in order to be in accordance with Allah and The straight path.

We see Islam as the last Revelation to Mankind. Yes the Revelation, the last Prophet that we will know in this life. Mohammad represents every righteous Prophet that ever walked the earth. Infact Mohammad and Jesus(PBUT) would not dis-agree on what is the truth because they both represent the truth in the same way. If we are really following Jesus then we will see Jesus in Mohammad.
The Followers of Moses followed Jesus, the followers of Jesus followed Mohammad. This happens because people understand, respect and followed the order of Allah the most high. It's not about these great men that we like to worship, it's about Allah The creator of these men.

Until we follow the proper revelation and guidance of Allah then we will always be on the wrong path, Muslim or not.
Anyone can say with their mouth that they believe, yet the heart does not.
Many of us are religious because of family traditions, not because we really believe or have the proper knowledge of what we say that we believe.

Allah guides who he will to the straith path and lead whom ever he will to go astray.

I too now Muslims who have become Muslim, It saddens me.

I would rather die before I turn back on belief of being a Muslimah submitting to Allah. Just as Pharoh's wife Asiya. Pharoh Killed her because she refused to believe that he was God, She beleived in Allah only. So again I would rather Die before I become Christain or any other than a Muslim Woman.

We must respect the order of the Revelation. Christainity was not the first revelation that mankind received nor is it the last revelation to man. Christainity in it's pure form is definatly a revelation from God but revelation continued after Christainity.
Abarham was not Christain, yet he was righteous. Christainity came after Jesus and Jesus was not the first Man to walk the earth. There were righteous people who were here before Jesus.
In his own words he said that he did not come to change anything but to only fulfill what had come before him.

Do we even know what he's talking about? I don't think most Christains do.
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I think it's still on the topic,
It's about the freedom some people expressed that they enjoyed in being single which caused them to not be lonely.
I think a deeper level of it has been brought up,

but okay you win this one I'll let it go and stick to the basics.

The thing about me is that most times I want to go deeper for some reason.

IAH,

Hey lady, maybe it's a matter of finding a community that you would want to be around.

I'm do not practice Christianity, Yet i believe in Jesus (PBUH). My entire family considers themselves to be Christians and many of them are great, especially my great grandma. When I was younger she made sure all of the children went to church. At a very young age we understood it to be about community building. We were engaged with strengthening the community and their were many protest, outreach, social activities, fundraisers and volunteer thing that we did to be a support to our church and local communities.
Now as an adult i have a strong passion for community work instilled at a very young age.

It is true that the church or Masjid does not determine if you are true or not to your religion. Your faith, knowledge, wisdom and deeds will determine it all in the end.  Yes, Men has tainted the truth for those who can not clearly see.

I do know many people who think that if you do not go to your place of worship that you are going astray. Truth is that they are right to a certain degree, only in the sense that by not attending it increases the chances of Satan to deceive you because the support is not as strong.
So again I think the importance of anyone attending their place of worship is mainly about build, sustaining and protecting the fiber of the community. The other part is being a support system for each other. There are times when we are weak in our faith and our brothers and sisters can help and be a support to us by the grace of G-d. Even though on the final day we will be judged according to our individuals lives and we all have our own relationship with the creator, I still don't think we are supposed to live our religions out on our own. In other words, You can not be a Christian alone and so on. It seems better if we worked together. 

I don't knock your choice but only encourage you to understand more of why the church exists and the role that you  would like to play in it's development Some men Will make you not want to be involved in things because of their ego's and dominate ways, I feel you, but be clear on who you are following and do not allow any man to run you away from G-d or to become closed in with your religious practices.
I'm sure there's someone who felt as you feel right now who may be able to help you within your church or another church.

When in doubt turn to the most high, surly you will receive guidance if you are listening.

When I don't drink enough water, It's almost as if the toxics start to build up in my body and then i have an outbreak. So again water is the most natural and best cleansing agent for the body.
Any other cosmetic products should be temporary (no matter how well they work). I say temporary because what happens is that your body becomes immune to it or addicted to it, till the point of you having to use it all of the time and when you don't use it you will have an out break.
Kind of like the water but the difference is that water is natural and very, very good for your entire body. 

Another remedy I used for my oily skin was an Oatmeal mix. I used natural oatmeal mixed with water on my face. let it dry and tightend my skin the washed it away. It felt smooth.

Avocado works on the skin. tightens and moisturize the skin.

UN-cooked eggs. tightens the skin.

Natural UN-fertalized Mud works really well.

there are many natural remedies that work very well, it may take longer but they work.

Pure water is the best cleanser for the human body system. Drinking enough water will definatly help your skin retain good natural moisture and health. It will clean the toxics out of your body with a combination for good eating, workout, rest and proper care of your spirit.

Water is so amazing, it covers so many area's.