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NnamdiN:
I I still maintain homosexuality is unnatural. (no offense meant)

Fortunately, that's your opinion as the over millions of homosexuals in the world think otherwise and everybody goes his/her way with his/her opinion.

5minsmadness:
In other words, you have nothing to say

I addressed theresa neumann in my second paragraph.

Oga you did not address anything. No one/majority conceded to the lies of the fraudster Therese Neuman except of course people like you. The link exposes how religious fanatics can be deceitful to score maximum points for their religious beliefs.

Miracle of Sun

The vision was subjective
The miracle is proven to be a subjective experience by the fact that no observatory noticed any change in the sun that day or a change in its position...Many of the people had umbrellas up. Lucia had told them to put down their brollies before the apparition though it was raining (page 78, The Evidence for Visions of the Vigrin Mary) which shows that she was planning a solar illusion and had touching concern for the old people who could have caught pneumonia. The brollies might have blocked their vision of the sky so they had to go down. It is obvious that not many would have listened to her or even heard her but many would have noticed people taking brollies down and then they would have followed suit. Mc Clure thinks the crowd did not expect to see the sun spinning but they all knew a miracle was promised and I don’t doubt that being asked to put the umbrellas down was an indication that it was time for the miracle. Since the crowd was so large and it was hard to see the apparition site they would have realised that any sign would have to take place in the sky and that most obvious orb in the sky, the sun. The ban on using umbrellas alone would have suggested that. And people were seeing strange things in the sun months before the miracle of the sun (page 76, Fatima In Lucia’s own words). The role of suggestion and emotionalism and imagination in the miracle cannot be underestimated. Lucia was able to trigger many of the people in their highly charged emotional state to imagine seeing the sun spin.

Some of the witnesses must have been liars

It seems that a crowd that could have been between 50,000 and 70,000 were at the Cova and were drenched to the skin (The Thunder of Justice, page 137). It seems they were up to their ankles in mud. But when the crowd endured so much discomfort which would only have brought them ridicule if nothing happened it is clear that they were desperate to convince themselves or their companions that they saw something. At that stage there was no miraculous or scientific proof that the children were telling the truth. Most of the people then had no regard for evidence and would lie or convince themselves they saw something when they saw nothing.

Many people would have said they saw something though they did not. The Virgin had said the miracle was for unbelievers and those who saw nothing might have been accused of being so stubborn in unbelief that doing a miracle to convince them would not work.

Also anybody who defended the miracle of the sun was helping to undermine the brutal atheistic government and would have felt that it was their duty to lie for Portugal and the Church. Though lying was a sin they probably felt that they had no choice but to say what wasn’t true so it wasn’t wilful lying. It was popularly believed that if the miracle failed to happen the children would be lynched (page 54, What Happened at Fatima?) so there was pressure on people to claim that they saw something.

An illusion?

Fr Manuel Pereira da Silva wrote that the sun seemed to have come down to the height of the clouds and began to whirl. The people looked yellow. But if you look up at the sun and pretend you don’t know how high it is it looks as if it is as high as the clouds. And looking at the sun would make it seem to whirl especially when it is a scary thing to look at for we all know what harm it can do to your eyes. The people looked jaundiced because you cannot see colours right if you have just been looking at an excessively bright light.

An account in a newspaper, Ordem, mentioned the sun changing colours and whirling. That can be explained by looking at something too bright for you. It would do strange things to the eyes. The heat mentioned at the time of the miracle was caused by excitement.

Dr Almeida Garret who witnessed the miracle did not agree with the people who said the sun turned a dull silver. He remarked how the sun could be looked at without pain but sometimes that can be done. It is easy when you are excited and anxious to see the paranormal before your very eyes. If you want to fire walk, you won't even feel the heat when the desire takes over and you parade across the coals. Same effect.

Source :
http://www.miraclesceptic.com/solarmiracle.html

5minsmadness:
I wasnt through. i have edited my post. You also seem to be silent about the other miracles.

Ok, I've seen the edited post. You are yet to say anything on the link I provided on Therese Neumann.

Meanwhile, Like I stated in my previous post, you don't need an atheist to engage you in long unnecessary scientific explanation to miracles/apparitions that have either already been debunked or clearly typical acts of delusional beliefs that is rampart with religious folks as in the case of the Miracle of the Sun.

5minsmadness:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567216/Italys-Padre-Pio-faked-his-stigmata-with-acid.html
Sure.
You'd rather believe the proofless testimony of ONE unknown pharmacist over MORE THAN 50 PHYSICIANS who examined him.
Talk about empirical evidence.
Nothing can be done for you, seriously.
You have eyes but cannot see, ears but cannot hear.

Oga, did you do your own research I asked you to? Padre Pio is a big scam. Which 50 physicians? I don't want to delve into posting of many links that disproves Padre Pio here. You seem to have said nothing about the link on the Scammer Therese Neuman?

5minsmadness:
Even if GOD were to speak from the sky now you wouldn't believe.

So why is he finding it hard to speak now?

NnamdiN:
one is natural, the other one isnt

Neither is natural/unnatural. It is what it is SEX BETWEEN TWO ADULTS behind closed doors and nothing more. Two unmarried people having sex whether homosexual/heterosexual is pure fornication. Case closed! You can not attack one and leave the other! That's sheer hypocrisy!

Specialiste:
A lot of u nid tb Joshua's deliverance........ comparing homosexuality wit fornication?......silly sodomites.

Sorry Sir, please what's the difference between homosexuality and fornication/adultery? All I see are two unmarried adults having consenting sex, so please tell us the difference!

Therese Neuman scam(She won't even allow the investigating doctors stay around her when the bleeding starts) http://www.josef-hanauer.de/swindle-of-konnersreuth-5.html , Padre pio scam (google Padre Pio Carbonic Acid) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1567216/Italys-Padre-Pio-faked-his-stigmata-with-acid.html , incorruptible saints hahahaha make I no laugh just change the location of the corpse and stop the embalming process and watch it decompose in days e.t.c

You don't need atheists to engage you in long unnecessary scientific explanations and arguments to debunk the above. There are a lot of articles online, why not search and read them yourself. Even the Catholic Church you seem to have attributed these to is a bit sceptical and takes a careful approach/investigation when it comes to matters as miracles/apparitions. That's why people think Catholic churches don't do miracles.

Stay back in Nigeria, start your business and get admission to a University located in the same state as your business. Forget abroad !

I won't use the word 'Jealous/Jealousy' though, meanwhile numbers 4 and 8 really paints the picture of your everyday atheist. I feel indifferent to all other points raised , they have nothing much to do with the average atheist but more of an individual thing.

rhema4u:
Okay...what If a man has 2 wives and some concubines and they all live with him. Or a man has 3-4 wives.......

omicron:
Makes some sense.

But what if a man's wife A gives birth in Jan, wife B in May and wife C n Sept That is one year parternity leave oo

Hope it wont backfire o

Sorry, the Civil Service recognizes only one Legal wife and four kids.

First off, this is just old news! Meanwhile, all these silly Nigerian bloggers are nothing but PORNOGRAPHY bloggers. No fresh and educative articles just porn, porn, porn! Even with the porn contents, they still lift from other bloggers. Not one original content on their blogs,all is just copy and paste!

To those pessimists discouraging others saying it's risky, there are glitches bla bla bla, unlike Religion, technology can be improved over and over again to overcome such risks and glitches till it gives a near 100% satisfaction rate.

Beautiful maybe 5.5/10. I'm only generous with the points because they are my fellow Edo sisters ooo!

kenedy175:
The guy now has sub-zero scar. Lol

The sub zero scar is an understatement, the cut barely missed his eyeball he would have lost the use of that eye. He should thank his stars!

CIA tins!

If only people in Borno had been SNITCHING on boko haram members and their hideouts in the past years like the teenage girl just did instead of hiding them, Borno would probably have been in a more peaceful era than this.

DEATH TO ALL BOKO HARAM MEMBERS!
Sorry guys, I had to scream that out

Riding on the backs of females must be some kind of FETISH for these SA pastors because that seems to be only thing they love doing.

Nice story for a 1000 WAYS TO DIE

Esdb3:
So who was he questionning? And fyi non-christians discovered ben10 was evil. And yoga is not demonic!!!

Am sorry for quoting your royal ignorance.

Non-christians discovered Ben10 is evil? Really? Who are the non-christians?You can shift the blame angle from now till eternity, Fact is many christians believe it and get paranoid over such silly things which still makes them as guilty as the so called non-christians. Last, I checked atheists don't believe in demons either. So this non-christian angle is just a strawman!

https://www.nairaland.com/1145855/ben-10-other-cartoons-demonic

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2013/11/yoga-is-satanic-instructor-speaks-out-2510962.html

http://yoganonymous.com/christian-college-newspaper-op-ed-yoga-evil-calls-yoga-demonic/

There you go! You should do some research and confirm before you boldly assert someone is ignorant.

Too sad to comment!

That's a good song man Don't kill it with your usual negative christian mumbo jumbo. Everything is bad and demonic for you guys from female hair-extensions, BVN, Animations(e.g Ben 10), Yoga to a good song as this.

No way forward! Global economic downturn/Recession or one of those economic jargons related to bad financial times coupled with lazy banking activities to generate money(unrealistic bank charges) by Nigerian banks will always make the banks demand unrealistic targets from its employees to stay afloat. It's a Dog-Eat-Dog World, if you can not take the heat, get out of the kitchen(bank).

I believe good roads, mentally stable drivers and road worthy vehicles prevent accidents not pouring of olive oil on the ground.Does religion really make people switch on their R.ETARD buttons always?

sonofananimal1:
WHO THE HELL CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THIS EEDIOT IS TALKING ABOUT

YOUR POST MAKE 0.0000000000001% SENSE AT ALL.

AND WHO THE HELL IS THE MOD WHO PUSH THIS RUBBISH TO FRONT PAGE

Kikikiki

Op Biko, let's have some paragraphs in your copy and paste write-up.

The One who finds it hard to forgive generations because their fore-parents ate some fruit in Eden.
The One who has prepared a place for people to roast for eternity
The One who seems to appear to everyone in the Bible and other religious texts but hides his face for a simple selfie ever since the invention of Cameras
The list is inexhaustible...

This thread is a Deja-Vu!
Meanwhile someone gimme the phone number of that babalawo that does Bullet proof juju, I have a proposal for the US army. Money things on my mind!