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joshboo:


no team is gonna pay him that, at best he's within 60/70 range... omo this guys dey burst my head... good a thing john collins got what he's been looking for.

But kben how would you say this Lakers team aint a super team? What more do they need to be called one, once their starting 5 are all all stars and first ballot HOF? I love lefraud but dude's never in the rankings for goat cos of all this nonsense.

I said they were not a Superteam when all they had was Lebron, AD, Westbrook, Gasol, Ariza, Howard, Wellington and Howard. With Melo and the three younger guys the squad is now more balanced and the talent drop-off in total is equivalent to a Superteam.
PS: I still have the Nets winning it all though if they can stay healthy

joshboo:


no team is gonna pay him that, at best he's within 60/70 range... omo this guys dey burst my head... good a thing john collins got what he's been looking for.

But kben how would you say this Lakers team aint a super team? What more do they need to be called one, once their starting 5 are all all stars and first ballot HOF? I love lefraud but dude's never in the rankings for goat cos of all this nonsense.

I said they were not a Superteam when all they had was Lebron, AD, Westbrook, Gasol, Ariza, Howard, Wellington and Howard.

Julius Randle is signing for 4yrs $117 mil and Schroeder is still waiting for $150M. the guy is really delusional.

A40:
Is this guy serious at all?? Draymond Green is part of the Warriors core. He was the primary facilitator and their best defender pre KD and it can be argued after KD. He was in no way a role player

2010 Rondo was definitely not a role player so I have to ask when you started watching basketball. The argument is that the Lakers big 3 is so Supernova you don't necessarily need elite role players to be labeled a Superteam. If you have 3 All NBA level players and you're still expecting 6th men of the year candidates then you clearly don't want to compete

Lmaoo this man mentioned Bobby Portis. When I say you're dishonest don't take it personal, its an informed observation. Going into the playoffs lie that you expected Bobby Portis to be a key role player for the Bucks let me see. This was someone that averaged 14mins and 3ppg in the Brooklyn series then improved vs Atlanta and had a couple of good games in the Finals. Don't pretend like Bobby Portis was some elite level 6th man


You're just yarning dust at this point. So you know more than the people who make a living following basketball that didn't deem it fit to vote Kawhi among even the top 20 defenders both in 2012 and 2013

FYI Matisse Thybulle was All Defense 2nd team this year. Further proof that you don't know what the fuq you're talking about

That was in 2014 Mr Opaks yarner. And Kawhi's 'defense' was debatable. LeNomad still averaged 28 pts on 57% shooting. Granted LeNomad did some statpadding as his buckets mostly came when the Heat were down 15 points or more but don't come here and overhype his defense on LeNomad

I apologize for mixing the years, but how did a guy who averaged 14pts a game win finals MVP If his defense did nothing?
You just mentioned Draymond and Rondo as part of other Superteams core. So my question of all of the players the had or even have now which one of them is as good as Draymond or Rondo was during their championship runs?
I repeat my stance again, which was were we had diverging opinions, if Gasol, Ariza, Bazemore and Howard are your 4th-7th man, you cannot in good conscience call that a Superteam. No matter how panel beat it that is a fact.


PS: Kawhi players profile reads
"...Known early in his career primarily as an elite defender and floor spacer, Leonard began taking on a larger offensive responsibility from the..."
And he was 2nd team all defense in that championship year.

steady986:
Why not? Even Blazers might think they're being cheated. But it's an even trade if we're being honest. They're both borderline superstars. The two of them earn exactly the same amount of money and have the same length of contract. Maybe the Blazers can throw in a second round pick since they're the ones who would be initiating the trade and so may look more desperate.

On paper this trade makes incredible sense for both franchises, both talents are equally weighted, salaries match,so they can do a straight swap.
But I think the Raptors resigned Gary Trent Jr, so I don't know if they are in the market for another guard though

steady986:
Their problem is they're putting too much faith in CJ. But in this league its hard to win with two small players as your best duo. I know the Warriors did it but that was the exception rather than the norm. And Stephen/Klay are the best shooting backcourt in history, not to even mention that Klay is 6ft6 and can defend too. If I'm the Blazers I'd use CJ to get a forward like Siakam and see how it works, then add a decent shooter to replace CJ at the 2. They gave a starting 5 of

Dame
Shooting guard
Powell
Siakam
Nurkic

Not bad if you asked me.

With the right 2 guard, this is not a bad starting 5. The only issue is I don't think the Raptors will agree to a straight swap of Siakam for CJ.

A40:
What job does McGee do? So you're telling me he is better than Dwight abi what's your actual argument? He has always been acquired by a contender? He dey play? What does he do significantly better than Gasol

Draymond is part of their core. Why should I mention him?


You are a very dishonest fellow. Who anointed Kawhi a top 5 wing defender when he entered the league? By what metrics? You awarded it to him from your bedroom or what.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2012.html
Come and show me where Kawhi is on this list

Lebron, AD, Westbrook offset anything Kawhi would bring to the table as a role player. This is the fundamental flaw in your argument, in a team with those 3 where will 2nd or 3rd year Kawhi see enough shots to average 14pts

Are you comparing San Antonio that ran equal opportunity offense with old man Tim Duncan, Ginobili and Tony Parker to a squad with Lebron, AD and Westbrook?
Why would any half decent basketball pundit assume they will not add more players to a 9 man roster

Una don start to dey change goal post. This discussion is about the talent surrounding a big 3. Draymond for all is ability was not part of the warriors big3. Same with Rondo for the 2010 Celtics. That is why I repeated said that what the Lakers signed were players who were only capable of being contributors if they were used as the 8th man or above. But you kept insisting that these guys only will be the ones to catapult them.into Superteam status. I don't care how great your 3 best players are if this is basketball not tennis, if the drop-off in talent with what they had on Monday was way too much.
As for them taking all the shots, the Bucks just had a series where their own big 3 took all the shots, but you know what in game 6 of the finals they still needed a Bobby to make shots just to keep them in the game.

I still think you are more into stats rather than just watching basketball to be honest, if you can name 5 more wing defenders better that kawhi in 2012 please do so. Show me a metric that says Tybulle is a top 5 wing defender now, but any one with eyes who watches him knows he is one.
Kawhi basically won his finals MVP based solely on guarding Lebron 1v1 in the finals, if that is not enough proof of his defensive capabilities I don't know what else I can say.

donlittle25:
come on bro, What is this supposed to mean? There is a prime age for bench players? Lol man was out of his prime and went to the bench. I think it's that simple.

The argument is based on superiority of role players. So for context who is better, the Iggy who played with the warriors, or any of Ariza, Gasol, Howard and Bazemore right now.

steady986:

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donlittle25:
i dont know what the argument is like that but prime iggy was philly, even the iggy at denver prime was already behind him

The Iggy at Philly was a wannabe 1st option. But for the role of 5th or 6th man the one in GSW was still in his prime.

A40:
Hood and Ojeleye to the Bucks. Hood is a serviceable replacement for Forbes problem is he's always injured

Mills to the Nets they bring back Blake and Brown but let go of Bruce Brown

Andre Drummond to the Sixers.

So nobody will pick up Schroeder? Shocking. Don't see why the Pelicans don't take a gamble on him. He's definitely better than Devonte Graham

For what the Pelicans want to do Graham is a better on court fit and also cheaper. Schroeder killed his market by shooting poorly last year and by wanting too much money. the Pelicans wants Zion to handle the ball more, so they prefer someone who can shoot at a high enough clip.

steady986:
Patty Mills to the Nets. Haaaaaa. Wahala dey o

:oThis deal as small as it seems is very bad for the league. Mills is someone that knows his role and can play up. What I mean by playing up is he can assume any role from, secondary playmaker for the bench, to primary playmaker for the bench, to secondary playmaker for the starting five, all the way to a low end 3rd option for a championship team. Also he stays fit and is not injury prone.
For example if KD had Mills against the Bucks then the Nets win probably in 6 or even 5

steady986:
Small knife fight you don go carry bazooka come

I have watched enough basketball to know what a championship team looks like. When people start pushing narratives based on bias it irks me a bit. What the Lakers had before adding Nunn, Monk and Melo could not have made it to the western conference finals not to talk of NBA Finals.
Look at what Denver is low key assembling and you go fear. If they can get a deal done for Gordon, get Murray back early and avoid season ending injuries. that team can beat anybody especially if Jokic can play as well as he did this past season

A40:
Lmaoo did you just say Prime Iggy McGee? Same Shaqtin a fool MVP McGee abi which one? Looney

Kawhi was a baby, Splitter. Lewl!! What were the primes of Boris Diaw and Patty Mills and what numbers were they putting up?

So you're telling me a Perk and Big Baby are better than Bazemore, Ariza and Dwight Howard? This is dishonesty at its peak

I can concede for Miami because that team was deep as fuq


I'm saying considering the caliber of the top 3 players they have it's unrealistic and makes a mockery of the competition to assume the role players need to be significantly better. They have THT, Gasol, Ariza, Bazemore and Howard. Where is the drop-off? Even when he had the top two 6th men in the league y'all said it was not enough so what gives?

You can bring the numbers of some of these role players you listed and I bring the numbers of these guys let's see if the difference between this supporting cast and the ones you listed are as large as you claim

As at the time we were discussing THT does not have a contract with the Lakers, I am making my stance based on who they have under contract not what they might do.

A40:
Lmaoo did you just say Prime Iggy McGee? Same Shaqtin a fool MVP McGee abi which one? Looney

Kawhi was a baby, Splitter. Lewl!! What were the primes of Boris Diaw and Patty Mills and what numbers were they putting up?

So you're telling me a Perk and Big Baby are better than Bazemore, Ariza and Dwight Howard? This is dishonesty at its peak

I can concede for Miami because that team was deep as fuq


I'm saying considering the caliber of the top 3 players they have it's unrealistic and makes a mockery of the competition to assume the role players need to be significantly better. They have THT, Gasol, Ariza, Bazemore and Howard. Where is the drop-off? Even when he had the top two 6th men in the league y'all said it was not enough so what gives?

You can bring the numbers of some of these role players you listed and I bring the numbers of these guys let's see if the difference between this supporting cast and the ones you listed are as large as you claim

Javale for all his faults does his job, there is a reason for close to 8 years straight now, he has always been acquired by a contender. He might not be the greatest center, but he does his job and was a plus player for the warriors. If you are saying the Javale that played for the warriors is not better than what Gasol is now then you are the one who is not ready to admit bias in your arguments.
Iggy that played for warriors won final MVP, so don't even try that tact. I see you did not mention Draymond.

As for Kawhi, once again you are either lying to try to buttress your point, or you weren't watching nba basketball in those days. Kawhi came into the league and from his first year was a top 5 wing defender, by his second year he had progressed
and even added some small offensive elements to his game. A good example of who kawhi was in that time is Tybulle of the sixers take what he is doing on defense and add in the ability of averaging 14pts in the finals. Are you telling me anyone who knows basketball will not pick Tybulle as he his right now over any of Ariza and Co, not to talk of if he can average 14pts per game. So stop with all this trying to change history.
I reiterate my position if Ariza, Howard, Bazemore are your 4th, 5th and 6th man, then the drop off in talent for that team is just too much and they will not achieve much. If they are your 8th, 9th and 10th option then that is okay.

PS: With the recent deals the Lakers just made it seems even they agreed with my position that is why they've just added Nunn, Monk and Melo. If they can pull off the deal for THT that will even make them better. With these recent deals, then by all account they are a Superteam.

A40:
This is a dishonest argument on your part still. First off nobody expected the Heat to get swept going into that series so it showed a level of underperformance not mediocrity, Lol Bazemore and the Warriors ran into deeper teams. I can't believe you're using that Warriors team as an indictment on Bazemore. As for Howard lol. Ben Simmons was a bigger problem than he was, suggesting Dwight Howard is a bottom rung role player is Dishonest!!

Who were the good role players on the KD Warriors apart from Iggy? and maybe Livingston Is it Looney? McCaw, Pachulia? Abeggi

The Spurs were aged so it doesn't matter who their role players were but if you insist, Tiago Splitter, Boris Diaw, Danny Green

The 2010 Celtics role players were Kendrick Perkins and crew

The critical part you are insisting on ignoring is that the Lakers big 3 is better than any combination of big 3 you listed above and that alone makes them a Superteam. If they added you and I to the roster they are still a Superteam never mind Dwight Howard and Trevor Ariza

It seems you don't even remember the role players for most of these teams
Warriors had Prime Iggy and DPY Draymond, Livingston, Javale and looney as a solid 8 player rotation with Zaza, West and being seasoned fillers
The Spurs reign was so long,but they always had quality guys, Kwahi, Mills, Splitter, Boris Diaw, Danny Green all in their prime not old men on their last legs and for the older chips Steven Jackson, Bowen, Scola, Finley, Barry, Bris Diaw, Bonner, Horry.
2010 Celtics had Rondo, Rasheed Wallace, Perk, big Baby.
Let's not even get to the Miami big 3 at all.

PS: like I said before if you're judging them based on their big 3, then that's more than fair, but saying Gasol, Ariza, Bazemore, Wellington and Howard are quality enough to fill spots 4 through 8 is disingenuous. Unless you are judging them on their names rather than what they are right now. There guys are in their career are where Matt Barnes was for the warriors old guys who should be the 8th, 9th man type.
Finally I did not ignore the strength of their big 3, which is just as strong as what the warriors had with the warriors team being younger. The main issue with the Lakers is the level of drop-off after their big 3 is just too steep and that is what you are refusing to admit

A40:
D
D for Dishonesty

Even when he had Schroeder and Harrell literally the top 2 6th men in the league y'all argued he lacked help and they still went out to add a top 2 rebounder in the league in Drummond

I listed playoff teams that the Lakers acquisitions were good enough to start for or be one of the first options of the bench you're mentioning Milwaukee. Smh

AD or Middleton who is better?
Westbrook or Holiday. Even if you argue Holiday is better (highly debatable) there is no arguing who is more accomplished
Some people still argue LeNomad is the best player in the league so that makes him better than Giannis by default

If you have AD, Westbrook and Bron. What caliber of bench players are you hoping to add to that 3 again? Bronsexuals were crying wolf for KD last season but somehow are asking for more help for a roster with 3 top 20 players in the league

The Heat got swept with Ariza, Bazemore could not help the warriors get into the playoffs and Howard got beaten by the Hawks of all teams. Does the Lakers have a big 3 YES, but to call these players they've added as anything but bottom rung role players is disingenuous.
If you place all the role players of big 3s in recent history from the 2020 Nets, the KD warriors with Steph and Klay, 2010 Celtics, the Spurs and the Miami big 3s on any ranking. These motley crew assembled by the Lakers will come last.
So if we're talking about this Lakers competing for the championship and you are using their big 3 as justifiable evidence that is more than fair (personally, I will not even accept their fit as an excuse, because as far as I am concerned, they're 2 MVPs and an all nba talent on there). but to use a bunch of has been, role players as evidence of them being a super team is just playing a very very weak hand.

PDPGuy:
Rubio is a beast

When he plays for Spain he just goes into beast mode. Still cannot understand why he never does this in the NBA

A40:
Lmaoo Ariza was a starter on the Heat last season started all their games vs Milwaukee in the sweep, Bazemore was one of their top 3 guys off the bench for Golden State and played a lot of minutes. So no come here dey drop this opata yarns. Dwight was Embiid's primary backup at Philly

A team with 3 All NBA level players and a former #1 draft pick and 3 time DPOY making it 3 #1 draft picks on a roster is definitely loading up. Abi what did you expect? You wanted to add Bradley Beal and DeRozan too?

Anyway you people are so predictably dishonest. The same people that comfortably called Ray Allen, KG and Paul Pierce a superteam despite their average ages being 34 in 2010 are swearing this team is old meanwhile AD and Westbrook 2 of the best 3 players on the team are 33 years or younger. Smh

Let me make it simple, which one of these players the Lakers got would have been more than the 8th or 9th man in a fully healthy Bucks team?
If you don't know their team list when fullyhealthy Let me help you out
Giannis
Lopez
Jrue
Khris
Dante
[bench]
6th Pj Tucker
7th Pat
8th Bobby
J Teague

steady986:
We sabi wetin em dey do. A bunch of 36 year olds are now enough for LeBron to win the chip. Unto say LeBron na superhero . Ariza that hasn't been fit for the past 3 years.

Abi ohh

A40:
So Bazemore, Ellington, Ariza, Howard confirmed to be coming to the Lakers. This team is more than enough to win it all. No excuses

All the guys you just names are at best 8th or 9th man upwards on a roster. So let's not start with this loading up narrative again

Bobby back at 2yr 9mil the steal of FA so far. Comes with a 1yr player option which he will certainly decline especially if he plays as well as he did the past season.

afrodoc2:
Nigerians are living in bondage but most don’t know it.
They think they are just suffering but there is a difference.

Serious bondage ohh

Lakers ohhh, Westbrook on the way

birdman:
Simmons for Lowry, Van Vleet, Anunoby and first round pick? Ah, are you mad? na craze, abi na village tinz. The person who even suggested this is very unfortunate. Oh wait, its Morey you think everyone else is a yam head?

Morey na thief. He should just steal the whole team then. On a serious note Lowry will have to be a sign and trade, if Morey pulls this off even without a pick, he is a demigod of deal making.
Imagine Sixers Embiid, OG, Harris (back to SF which he prefers), then a back court of Vleet and Lowry, with Curry, Tybulle and Tyrese. That is an incredible 8 man rotation

birdman:
Mostly GM Moreys fault. Harden should never have been coddled that way. We had PJ Tucker who played pivotal role in Bucks championship. We had CP3 who also got to the finals. We had Capella who is solid on that Hawks team vs Embiid. And we never even got to WCF because every year this guy would ball hog us out of the playoffs. Every year!

This is how I know he and Giannis will never see eye to eye. They just see the world different.

Harden has the talent of a 1, but he doesn't have the intangibles to be the face of a franchise at all. When one of your best friends who asked to be traded to your team decides to leave after just one year and to a bad team at that it speaks to the level of toxicity going on in that locker room

Nba offseason has started, pelicans creating cap room to land a whale or keep lonzo

joshboo:
suffer small jare its good for your health,. Between the earlier you realize KD isn't a good/matured leader the better, Harden is even worse, they just covered up all his misdemeanors and big mess ups too cos na their star player in houston.. I actually forsee the ego between the Nets big 3 killing the team, that's why I still tipped the Bucks to win over them, between I doubt if KD Don end the beef between he and Draymond.

Lastly I really wished Trae came to this Olympics, make dem slap am very well so he'll know that nonsense he does to draw fouls isn't how the game is supposed to be played.

Hopefully your Yankee boys go adapt but if they don't Pele oooo Paddy mii.

The reason why Russ left was because Harden was a bad leader, coming late to film sessions, training and meetings, not holding himself accountable. Russ got so tired of it that he asked and accepted a trade to the wizards.

joshboo:
Saw this Nonsense on Instagram, wasn't worth the look at in the Slightest. Imagine putting PG ahead of kahwi?? Davis ahead of giannis? Be like the person dey on crack when he was rating them, cos no one in his right senses would Rate those players like that.

Assinn, nonsense upon nonsense

DearDealz:
Luka on Fire!!!!!!

The dude is a problem. On another note that is what the US team needs, one guy to run the offense not necessarily to take that many shots, but just to set everybody up. Just like Jkidd did for the redeem team starters and CP3 did whenever Kidd sat.

steady986:
Lol. You know LeBron is the sweetest topic on TV and radio when it comes to basketball. That's what people want to hear. It's a business decision, nothing serious

But did Stephen. A really say that? Stephen. A has been on record saying that there's nothing LeBron can do to surpass MJ. This one fit be misquote o

Same thing happened with MJ especially in the 90s. I have heard talk of some journalists clearing their stories with him before they publish it.