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O'shea?  I'm not convincd we need a defender now

Kai, is a win too much to ask for

Nice for now, As long as they don't allow Agberos and omo-oniles to use the stadium as their personal gym and toilet.

While I'm worried that the girl probably retracted her statement under pressure from her family, I'm also concerned about the rush to judgement by the NGO and the court.

Ex: I did not see any reference to the Father's lawyer or a kind of defence or fair trial

I welcome the work of sensible NGOs on the issue of rape and abuse but we should not make the kind of mistake some make in the western world by rushing to judgement because a supposedly weaker party cried rape! It will have disastrous effect on the society, there are simply too many scores to settle in our society and people will take advantage of the weak process.

"She kept mentioning human rights, human rights but we didn't understand her."

Now that was kinda funny better get with the program

Beaf:
On a lighter note. . .
I feel some pity for Aba people with being the first civilians to sight the brand new Anti-Terrorist Squad!
Those guys have to be some fcking antisocial, trigger happy types that last smiled many years ago and eat metal. I hope they succeed in weeding out the kidnappers though.

They better be!

I pity the innocent ones in Aba too, maybe they will now do a better job of informing on these Lunatics.

Yeye people should be kidnapping those silly, small-minded, leader-goats ruining our  Nation, Instead they are terrorizing kids!!

^^^About time!!

All these Small-minded Political-office seeking thugs and their hired punks should keep their hands of our children.!!

Raise your campaign money some other way! Leave Nigerian kids alone!!

May Shango punish all of them!!

EMPLOYMENT HISTORY:

Preventive Officer, Dept. of Customs & Excise 1975 – 1977, Science Inspector of Education Rivers State Ministry of Education, Port Harcourt 1982 – 1983, Lecturer, Dept. of Biology, Rivers State College of Education, Port Harcourt 1983 – 1993, Assistant Director, (Ecology)/ Head Sub – Dept. of Environment Protection, Ompadec 1993 – 1998, Deputy Governor, Bayelsa State from May 1999 -  2005 & Governor Bayelsa State from May 2005 to date.

OMPADEC? Ok, that might explain a few of the millions

I still maintain that the winner of this election will be determined by the owners of Nigeria (Big Oil). 

tensor777:
^^ That is rubbish. Police everywhere are trained to be aggressive to criminal suspects. That is not the issue people have with them

You are NOT wrong, and Ericology's observation is NOT rubbish.

What about other suspects? -those suspected of infractions or common misdemeanors, especially in cases where they are not resisting arrest. I believe that is the category most us will fall into in our various contacts with the Nigerian Police.

So what about due process and fair trial?

It is not unpatriotic to criticize the ills in your own society, that is how to change and get better. The unpatriotic ones are those who constantly attempt to sweep injustice under the carpet or cover it with veils of pseudo-patriotism.


EDITED: and his comparisons are on point, there is nothing Western vs Nigerian about it, we need to make good comparisons sometimes to drive home a point. if you say someone is aggressive, -compared to who? you might need to compare them to another to effectively make your point.

** I edited my comment after I saw your edit**

The average Nigerian policeman is aggressive because the average Nigerian is aggressive

Maybe we are aggressive because we were raised with so much aggression. See this thread---> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-511646.128.html

Tolulop001:
have u heard of [b]oxymoron [/b]you slowpoke

completely succinct

Evil Brain:
Point conceded.

Didn't know that actually. I try to stay informed but its not really my area. I guess its time for me to borrow some law books then.

Ok, I read your "No law against homosexuality" reply, I'm glad Tensor777 sorted that one for you before I got back. To the despoil issue, you essentially agreed with my point

if the boy thought God was going to kill him if he didn't cooperate, then you might have a point

.

Maybe that was what he thought, -Never underestimate the reverence Nigerians have for Religion and superstition, it is mind Boggling o!!

So, despoil can be argued, the jury is still out on that one sha.

Too many arguments flying around all at the same time.

Is he a Pedo? ; I'll say NO? because their ages are just too close to call it that, moreso, the age of consent in Nigeria is about 14-16. He can wiggle out of that one easily.

Is this despoil? ; Maybe, given the enormous amount of power and respect some gullible Nigerians give to any fool with the titles "PASTOR, WOLI" or "ALFA" we can argue that he took advantage of his position or even argue for despoil. The jury is still out.

Is he Gay/a gay/a law breaker? ; Definitely! while, I don't care about what folks do with their sexuality -as long as they keep it far away (Ladies, y'all can come as close as you want ) Our culture encourages too much bodily contact and I don't want to start being careful about who is trying to hug or shake me in Nigeria

Nigerian gays(I thought that was an oxymoron) better be prepared, this thing will get really ugly in Nigeria. Stay in your closets for now  

Should he be burnt?; Are you Osama?!

I guess in all we should still thank God for the kind of parents we had. They had their positives and negatives. I would wish he communicated more rather than flog but I would still take him in his brutal ways than have a non-existing dad, jail-bird dad, a serial drunkard, wife-beater,multiple-kids-from different women dad or womaniser.

I agree, with a very mild protest. . .

I learnt a lot in my moments of solitude which included learning all the countries of the world and their capital by age 9. I still remember till today

OMG, me too!! maybe not all but a lot! I was also reading bulky encyclopedias to kill boredom, after doing assignments( you can imagine your dad giving you more assignments than your teachers) you just have to be reading something.

Most times when my dad is not home I would just take a ball and start raising it by myself and play table soccer My right hand vs my left hand.

So no be only me?!

I still don't understand how my parents were able to feed 4 children with that kind of salary they got. While in Nigeria,

can't get it either. . .

My brothers and i would play unofficial world cup tournaments with fanta/coke/sprite metal covers all day! You dared not step outside the house doors, if you were caught na God go save you that day.

Table soccer! we plenty o! 

^^ You were lucky you had brother who were close to your age that you could play with.

He sure was

One thing my dad says it (A ki gbe ile eni ki a fi orun ro) You cant stand in your house and get into trouble.

DK and Davidylan! I think my father raised you guys!!  (but he was kinda meaner to DayoKanu  )

The experiences are so similar, up to the "owe" you quoted! ( I always disagree with that proverb though, because I once "ro" my neck inside my room 

[quote author=mädchen link=topic=511646.msg6810307#msg6810307 date=1285270802]Is there a problem on nairaland if you live outside Nigeria? I'm getting some negative vibes, directed towards some people living outside Nigeria? I can figure out that there are favorites here though that live abroad. Anyways sorry for going OT. Was just mildly curious.[/quote]WOW, you really do have questions

I'm not sure, as you can deduce from the number of posts I have, I'm a newbie here, though I ghosted for eons before registering.

NL, una get favorites?!   make una add me join o!, I'll like to share out of Seun's proceeds.

Don't let it get under your skin, I actually believe most of the posters here live outside Nigeria, you will figure that out soon and probably enjoy the caustic remarks.

Afterall, we are all products of parental brutality and abuse.

the last sentence was a joke

occam:
if pidgin becomes one of the international language for business, you may see emails like this pdgin translators will be in great demand

To: Sam Igbokuwenu
From: Charles White
Subject: Timba wood supply

Igbanu Sam,

Abeg you fit supply man pinkin 10,000 planks of timba wood by next month. Bico, yarn me when my container go arrive New York port. Reply me chap! chap!

Charles White
New York Commodity Merchant

E go tey before Oyibo go tear eye understand that one o!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=517107.msg6810685#msg6810685 date=1285274565]Yoruba might as well be the main Nigeria Language.

It's widely spoken. . . [/quote]O seun, Yi o da fun o jare.

The arguments here left me torn.

I agree with Sagamite and Texaspette's view on one hand that; Proper English is essential and should be encouraged, because it is currently the language of formal business, the language of formal education and also a language that connects us to the world outside our immediate Nigerian environment.

BUT

I'm sympathetic towards Gamine's position and I will express my sympathy by attempting an answer to this question;

tensor777:
Then what exactly should be Nigeria's official language? I want specific answers here not vague generalisations.
And how in fact does changing from English to another language confer any sort of advantage to the average Nigerian student??

Changing our language of instruction to a more homogeneous, more Culture-Based(Nigerian) Language will definitely give us an advantage.

I believe it will help us teach and instruct students in their first languages and help translate foreign intellectual work into local thoughts like the Japanese, Chinese and French do.

I think that will help our kids perform better and reduce the confusion that arises from navigating two languages.

I'm not sure, but I think it might give them an advantage they do not currently have; that of learning and using their mother tongue academically without carrying the burden of navigating a "superior" less-used(in everyday conversation that is) second language.

Also, like I mentioned on the other thread, everytime I see the list of G8 countries and how "linguistically homogeneous" they are, I worry.

I think having a language of instruction that connects with our culture like a mother tongue does will definitely help us to get there faster.

I understand that English or Latin based language/cultures have formal and informal ways of expression. But, the differences are not nearly as much as what we have with our totally different culture and mother tongues. These kids have a Raw Deal.

But I will not excuse texteng and Hoodspeak in any exam paper. Trash is Thrash in any language!!! 

So, I'll vote Pidgin until we all agree to speak Yoruba!

@ semid4lyfe, dig it up jare.

Reminds me of Prof. Ola Rotimi, I understand he was working on a Nigerian pidgin dictionary before he died.

[quote author=mädchen link=topic=511646.msg6809958#msg6809958 date=1285267240]I curious as to why there is so much emphasis on son![/quote]Nigeria is so ahead of the curve, we treat all sexes equally when it comes to beatings , -well, according to their abilities and "crimes",

But we do protect females and try not to physically scar them too much, else they might be rejected by potential suitors, so we use smaller canes, and lighter kobokos. Women rights are very well protected

When are you going to visit?

bawomolo:
ha ha

abi o. those agberos weren't beaten enough

No!!! they were raised by Liberal, Yoga loving parents from the Upper West side of Manhattan  

tensor777:
^^Old boy I know what you're saying. Boys will always be boys. But lets imagine you had only one son and this son is, for whatever reason,

1)wilfully stubborn

2) thoroughly untrustworthy

Now do you leave him to his own devices so that he becomes a terror and a menace to society, or seriously and ruthlessly deal with him so that he becomes a responsible citizen.

That is the dilemma.

Tensor my bro, no mind these people jare.

No! you don't leave naughty kids to their own devices. Those kind of recalcitrant kids should be beaten to death and fed to the dogs.

Who will want to talk sense into kids or use nice or so-called sensible methods when it is easier to ruthlessly beat them and snuff life out of them?

At least if they don't die by our hands, we would have succeeded in  teaching them that violence is the way to solve issues and make them so scared of authority figures that they will rather poo in their pants than stand up to them.

Carry go jare my brother, Kill the naughty pikins, save Nigeria from reprobate children.


**pukes**

[quote author=omo_to_dun link=topic=518078.msg6809801#msg6809801 date=1285265540]  Oh boi. Finally he be like say my dream don dey come true. We sef for that Naija too dey try to talk like other people, especially the ones wey dey jand. Anyway, if dem come make pidgin English dey kampe by fomalizing, me think say he go good because the language go expand, evolve, and awa people go adopt the language chap chap. Make we no dey deceive awaselves; the broken English sweet no be small, [s]we sabi the rules, and we no hav to worry about sentence structure[/s]; na yan we go just dey yan; na flow we go just dey flow. Even sef, awa brodas and sistas in neighboring countries dey sabi the dialect. I for prefer make we get awa own African language wey every African go dey yan, but since we no dey agree on anything, me think say dis one go do right now. I just hope say no be wayo dem dey play us again. [/quote]The Strikethrough; = Wrong reason = opata = dust = Ose = Leave that side

If we don't codify if properly and ensure it is structured, there may be no point to us formalising it.

hercules07:
There is everything wrong with this, pidgin language corrupts the proper English, I will rather will pick Hausa, Igbo or Benin or a totally different language to pidgin, imagine giving a presentation and delving into pidgin in the middle of the presentation

Most contact languages corrupt "Proper English"( whatever that means), that adaptability is one of the major strength's of the English Language.

I get your point though and I agree; It will be better if we can use our own Languages; Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa. Edo, Ishan, Efik, Ijaw (I don't think there is a Country that attained the G8 status without their own culture-specific or indigenous language). It will be difficult to adopt one for everybody in Nigeria so we can make do with English, Proper or Pidgin.

Pidgin can be a more acceptable auxiliary language (occams description) but we still have to teach people to read and write it so we can make it effective, else, all this formalising business will just be another half-ass naija thingy.

oge4real:
I cant imagine listening to a presidential speech in pidgin.

I will PAY to listen to a presidential speech in Naija Pidgin.

Try him in court and jail him, Then I'll clap.

There is nothing wrong with a formal recognition of pidgin, the problem is with our halfassway of doing things. We need our intellectuals to step up and codify the language efficiently so it can be formally taught.

Imho, The informal sector don do dem work, it's now up to the scholars to play their part in society, talk is cheap.

tpiah:
lagos already banned child flogging, and quite a few nigerians dont support such a law.

and as for wife beating, dont see what can be done about that in nigeria.

Yea Tpiah, thanks for the heads-up, I read that great news earlier, I have also read portions of the Child right laws we have in Nigeria.

You and I know these laws are as good as the will to enforce them. But I get you, we are trying.

But, the Intellectual or social foundation under them are more important than the laws on paper.

We can't just copy and paste laws into our psyche, we need to see why they are important and enforce them with great will.

As we speak, only about 24 or 25 states have passed the child right bill as state laws, there are still hold-out states like Bauchi, Borno, Enugu, Sokoto and others. I know it is not easy to change people's long-held cultural and religious beliefs, but we have to keep trying.

This thread is still going?!!  

@ElRazur, Thanks for starting this Bro!!

Dani1luv, Oyb, Seun; You all need to make this Thread sticky or something.

OR

If you can get aisha2 or someone with a political/humanitarian bent to do some organizing. I'm willing to support them. let's get something signed, sent to the National assembly and pushed right here on Nairaland. Even if we don't succeed, we can try. This is how people start Social revolutions.

The Child right laws we have in Nigeria are just too weak with little political will to enforce them(the enforcers were raised like that too  

Like oyb, ujujoan and several people asked; How do we enforce discipline without abusing kids like these?

We need answers to that question. It is too vital to ignore it. Like I mentioned earlier, I believe it goes to the heart of why our society is the way it is.

I don't know if it's the cause or just the symptom of; our reluctance to challenge authority, our "unreasonable" ability to stomach socio-political abuse and still smile. Our constant production of heartless, clueless, I-don't-care-what-you-gon-do-about-it leaders just makes you wonder it these harsh methods are the cause.

We have work to do, else our kids will come on their generation's Nairaland and say all these all over again. Hopefully we will get our own Freuds and Maslows to give us ideas and our Mary Slessors to push it before then.

If you don't believe Dayokanu's stories, just count yaself lucky.

Several kids are still living like that as we type. I remember my own beatings like yesterday. Including keeping your own 'koboko' safe and secured so it doesn't get lost,, because you have to produce it when it's time to get the beatings. If my father ask for it and you can't find it then you are going to get a stronger more painful one. Imagine keeping you own weapon of oppression in good shape ?!

I love some aspects of my culture, But we need to push against some of these cultural nonsense, else we are helping our oppressors keep their weapon of oppression in good shape.

Yes, a lot our parents showed us love and some of them will die to provide for their kids even after beating those kids into a pulp.

BUT

I still believe we can find better ways to raise children while maintaining discipline, some parents did it well in Nigeria and raised disciplined children, but I believe Majority just follow the beat-them-down method because they don't know how else to do it.

SMH @ thread

chika98:
^^ Care to share some of em with us?

Nope, I already shared my "wise" thoughts on page 5; https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=511646.msg6796826#msg6796826


If you insist, just take a few koboko lashes out of Dayokanu's stories, mellow his dad down just a little bit and you pretty much have mine

Sagamite:
Err, bruv, this is what some of them are doing with their time:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-472748.32.html#msg6790000

And writing in that annoying textEnglish.

Sign me up to fight against that one.

It annoys me so much, I slap myself whenever I write it.  

each teacher that walked pass where I knelt down gave me a slap or knock in the head

Classic!!

I think Nigerian school teachers have an unspoken partnership with some Parents.



@Dayokanu, biko, abeg e don do o!, except you are getting some kind of Catharsis from it

I feel you though, you were not alone then, even those dates seem to correlate with some experiences

You suffer o

Kai, this guy don suffer

5 pages! and Nairalanders still dey ride hin matter rough like keke Marwa

I've not seen anything like this since Dele Momodu was yabbed on Nairaland last year.

But Keke sef too dey behave like "Daaani Olora"

davidylan:
her best friend travelled to the US about the same period she moved to the UK and had her first child there. The woman has since become a US citizen courtesy of the boy . . . my mom now regrets her decision.

You no go kill me with laugh

So all those Ameri-naijas with their Obama Passports making yanga at us here on NL are just one bad mistake ahead. "fetusically" we are all dual-citizens

They should have extended that law to cover conceptions.