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Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by KnownUnknown: 2:27pm On Oct 08, 2022
budaatum:
This is like claiming if I only live up to 3 score and ten years, I died when I was a score.

The only reason to sell this nonsense, that one shall surely die if one eats the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is to scare you from eating the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so your eyes do not open, so you would lack knowledge and never acquire wisdom and remain enslaved to those who enslave you.

And to such people, Christ would likely say, "Woe!"
The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more than Eve’s magical tree ever could. Here’s your Christ with fear mongering and threats. Since no one takes the dismemberment literally grin, the interpret it as avoiding what will cause you to “sin”, which usually includes knowledge.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is lbetter for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

“Where the worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched”. The writers have some morbid imaginations. Lmao
Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Actually Died The Day He ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evi by KnownUnknown: 2:13pm On Oct 08, 2022
budaatum:
Adam did obviously not die, e. Dead people do not have children!
Why don’t you just let them have it the way they want?
After all there was no Adam to “obviously die” or “stay alive”. The OP obviously takes the story as literal, so unless you also take it as literal, there is really nothing to argue about whether he died or lived to be 1000 years old. Lol
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 2:10pm On Oct 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
You that before and it has been rebutted and challenged and you are not able to counter, so this is no thing.



grin do you not see that this confession has already killed you? grin

Law is based on morality, like a house is based on foundation. And foundations are always parts of the house. grin grin grin

See it! You have already destroyed your assertion with your own bomb! grin grin grin
Of course, just like the house called world.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 2:09pm On Oct 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
grin I could make it a $100 in physical American dollars but "just-is" tells me this is excessive and wrong, and that your answer would not be any different if the take is increased,

so take up the challenge or rest, that is your right.
Tell “Just-is” to lend you the rest of $72.79, then come back and post your challenge.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 1:50pm On Oct 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
grin That is what you do not know and what you do not want to know, as is your right.

But right now, I am The Authority on this subject for I went as far as is possible to understand the distinction between them as is commonly taught and I authoritatively say to the sum of N20,000k that

Morality is Law and Law is Morality. grin

And that N20k is for anyone who can show and prove by lawful and valid reasonable argument if I am Wrong

Offer lasts till end of Sabbath 4:00pm
$27.21 !!!!! Look at Mr. Deep Pockets!!
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 1:43pm On Oct 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

It is The Law.

Secondly, none of you have still not presented any people whose origin of Law is not founded on religion.
We are not talking about law but morality, and no one is going to argue based on your nonsensical definitions. Lastly, laws are not based on religion. Religion can of course influence laws and morality.

Law is not morality because laws are judged based on their morality. It was once a “law” in parts America that people had to use different fountains, then said law was judged immoral and struck down.

When you find the “law” that precedes humans, keep it to yourself. My capacity for nonsense is limited.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 1:40pm On Oct 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
And which came first, (Law) Morals or people?
People.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 1:39pm On Oct 08, 2022
tctrills:
You actually don't know who created the spiritual but let's hear your opinion. I am sure it would be interesting.
People create “spirituality”. You are probably Christian so your “spirituality” was created by those who studied Plato’s “forms”. Interesting enough? Lol
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 1:36pm On Oct 08, 2022
tctrills:
Religion has always defined what is good and bad.
Number one, it’s a straw man argument. number two, it is a nonsensical argument. Number three, it is lie. You have never heard a word out of the mouth of “religion” just like gods’ words never come out of their mouths.
Moral codes would be present in groups before religions were developed just like moral codes are present in groups without religion.

You can keep insisting that religion did something or the other while ignoring the fact that people create and practice religion, but that is just ridiculous.

People have always defined what is good and bad including the religions they create.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 11:58pm On Oct 06, 2022
tctrills:
The truth in religion does not take away individual believe.
If you don't believe then it's meaningless to you.
But back to my earlier point, all our laws and regulations that guide modern society are rooted in religion.
And religion has a “spiritual” origin. But guess who created the “spiritual”.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 11:50pm On Oct 06, 2022
AuthenticKing:
In a sane society that tries to promote human affairs (which Christianity claims Jesus teaches), we can't use the death of a man to atone for the evil actions of others. A victim can't die for the offense of his offender, not to talk of a man who had the power to save himself from death dying for the crimes of others. It's completely erroneous..
Erroneous? Brother, you misspelled ridiculous. If Christianity was really about bettering human affairs, the Catholic Church would be more powerful than it currently is. The period when the CC and Christianity held away in Europe is known as the “dark ages”. Is Africa, now in the throes of Christianity and the disgusting Arab nonsense, not experiencing its “dark
ages”?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 11:38pm On Oct 06, 2022
tctrills:
Now I don't see the sense in your early statements. The fact that Jesus Christ and Mohammed did not record their experiences but rather had others do it for them does not mean it did not happen.
My point is people say things but these things are not necessarily true.
So maybe Mohammed said an angel appeared to him in a cave but that is meaningless to a person that regards angels as fiction.
Maybe Jesus existed and said he was the “son of god” but that is meaningless to a person that regard gods as fiction.
If you say miracles exist in your religious stories then those miracles should be possible in the present time.
If you make an extraordinary claim you better bring extraordinary evidence.

So, they can say Jesus was the “son of god” but if his father is as real as the leprechaun sitting on my shoulder, what does “son of god” mean except bullshit?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 10:56pm On Oct 06, 2022
tctrills:
Again you are wrong. No religion is manmade.
Mohammed saw an angel
Jesus Christ was the son of God.
All religions have a spiritual origin.
Mohammed saw an angel says Mohammed or the person who wrote the story.

Jesus Christ was the son of god says the writers and editors of the story

All religions have spiritual origin created by people.

All religions are manmade.
All of human culture is man made.
All gods are man made.
Your god is manmade.

If I were wrong, the gods would holler. However, they remain silent in their nonexistent emails. Whatever the “the lord says” will forever come punt of the mind of man until man is no more and if man is no more, all the man made gods are no more.

The only “God” is the universe that generated us and that we are a part of and that is forever as far as we are concerned.
The puny gods “created heavens and the earth”, but wise ones know there is no difference between the earth and the heavens. Stand on the surface of Mars and we are part of the heavens. Stand on the surface of Earth and Mars is part of the heavens.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 9:59pm On Oct 06, 2022
Wilgrea7:
Kudos Sir. You've made solid points here.

I think in respect to the “moral dilemna" i was referring to the idea by theists that in the absence of a God, morality becomes a matter of “opinion".
Morality is a manner of opinion. It's my opinion that human wellbeing is the foundation of morality and just because it probably is doesnt mean that every one will have the same opinion. If everyone could be made to realize that it is the most beneficial opinion there would be no need for gods. There is no morality in nature as far as we can tell. Nature takes its course whether it beneficial to life or not. The state of nature is fundamentally amoral. A coalition of lions can take over a pride and kill all the infants in order to bring the lionesses to heat and further their own lineage. There is nothing inherently wrong with it because that's how those particular organism function and they seem physiologically incapable of acting otherwise. A man can kill a child and impregnate the mother in order to further his own lineage. There is nothing inherently wrong with that except humans have decided that such behavior is inconducive to human well being and social cohesion. Morality is borne out of the human capacity to live unlike other animals due to our physiology.

Wilgrea7:
I agree that once we take human wellbeing as the baseline, we can make objective moral judgements in a lot of cases.
It's my opinion that the improvement of humanity's well-being is the highest ideal possible. Unfortunately, that view is not shared by many either through nature or nurture. Humanity is cursed with the knowledge of our own eventual death and the capacity to ask why the world exists but the answer to the question is unpalatable to many. Therefore God. Since god is the reason for everything, god has to be the reason why they have to act a certain way because that's how they get meaning from world that often appears meaningless and hostile. That won't change in the foreseeable future.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 9:42pm On Oct 06, 2022
Wilgrea7:
Kudos Sir. You've made solid points here.

I think in respect to the “moral dilemna" i was referring to the idea by theists that in the absence of a God, morality becomes a matter of “opinion".

I agree that once we take human wellbeing as the baseline, we can make objective moral judgements in a lot of cases.

What I think I'll call a “dilemna" is a situation where someone doesn't take human wellbeing as the basis of their moral judgements, or a case where they take personal wellbeing as the basis of morality, as opposed to general or group wellbeing.

Of course introducing a God into the equation hardly solves anything, as I've shown.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on these scenarios
Well, that dilemma is with us for the foreseeable future as long as mankind can’t accept that it’s just a infinitesimal and temporary event in the big scheme of things. They say the universe has existed for 13.4 billion of our years. Mankind appeared on the scene 280,000 years ago and claim the whole thing was made for them. We are fucking crazy.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown: 9:17pm On Oct 06, 2022
tctrills:
This your logic is impossible to confirm. Every single society in this world stands on a religious foundation. Much of our laws and societal expectations with set by religions systems.
For more than 95% of recorded history, human laws, rules and standards were set by religion in every single society.
Even if your claims are taken as true, your conclusion is still wrong. Aren’t religions man-made?

Human laws, rules, and standards were set and are set by humans.

Ifa can give divinations but the divinations still has to come out of the mouth of a man.

Allah can say it’s okay for Boko Haram to do what they do but we have to take Boko Haram’s word for it.

The Arabs said the Quran was sent by Allah but we only have their opinion.

The Hebrews say their god created the world but we are yet to confirm it from the mouth of their god.

The reason why religions had so much sway in early human history is probably because the people who were in charge of observing the heavens and helping to decide sowing and reaping period and thereby create civilization were the ones who organized themselves as Priests and founded religion in order to control said people. For more than 95% of recorded history, human laws, rules and standards were set by religion in every single society and religion is created by humans.
Christianity Etc › Re: Odinani And African Spirituality. by KnownUnknown: 11:51am On Oct 06, 2022
Ojiugoanawaluez:
Contrary, to what we were told and taught, odinani is the Igbo traditional system,it embodies their beliefs and way of life . Odinani is based on the principles of equity&justice,honesty,communal and team effort not one person or group lording it over others . The social values and norm was different from what obtains today. As we go along we will talk in details about things like chi, ikenga,Agwu etc.
@ sonmvayina
Odinani is finally here so don’t go missing now. You have the chance to promote Odinani or promote it’s similarities to your favorite people’s Torah.
Crime › Re: Absence Of Interpreter Stalls Trial Of Chinese Accused Of Killing Nigerian Girl by KnownUnknown: 5:03am On Oct 06, 2022
Why do they keep wearing those silly wigs?
Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Demons That Are Powerful Than Some Angels? by KnownUnknown: 12:02pm On Oct 05, 2022
Are there orcs that are more powerful than some fairies? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by KnownUnknown:
There is no moral dilemma. Morality is founded on the objective or goal of human welfare. That is the goal of every moral code, or should I say that is “objective morality”.

These moral codes have evolved over time as humans analyze and criticized them. Once you get rid of the god nonsense, it’s plain to see that morality evolved from the self interest of every human to protect life and property. The need for protection and cohesion also led to the moral codes applicable to groups.
When people’s intellect develop enough and those moral codes are truly beneficial , the code expand to include other groups, animals, and nature as a whole.

The whole concept of “god” guided morality was and is useful for the authorities who need to make people compliant.
The infamous saying of judaism, “the lord said”, is an example of god been used has a means for control.
Seriously, this “god” directed morality can be viewed as the farce that it is when you consider the abhorrent actions that “god” considers moral.

Stone someone to death. That’s moral according to “god”.
Rape and pillage. They deserve it according to “god”.

Morality is judged by the injury it prevents or the injury it causes to a person or people. Other than certain unscrupulous religious people, who else thinks stoning people is morally right?
Christianity Etc › Re: President Trump Has Blown The Last Trump. by KnownUnknown: 10:55am On Oct 04, 2022
MrPresident1:
Werey people who understand nothing. Android zomboid idiots
Lol. You talking about yourself?
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 1:43am On Oct 04, 2022
LordReed:
She probably painted Barry Manilow. LoLz
lipsrsealed grin
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 6:42pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Did you miss the part it was corroborated by numerous other witnesses with OBEs too?

They’re all delusional? What are the odds?
It was corroborated by numerous witnesses with OBEs!!!

Hey, whatever floats your boat. I just wanted to know who the guy is.
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 6:38pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Which is why I brought out the point on the glorified form of Christ, somewhat similar to what happened at this transfiguration which was witnessed by 3 of his disciples in Matthew 17 v 1-3.

The man on my DP is Jesus. As witnessed by gifted child painter (now adult) - Akiane Kramarik.

Corroborated by another child (now adult) Colton Burpo who had an OBE while operated on.

And numerous other witnesses around the world.

So…feel free to scoff and gloat. Next predictable thing to do.
See how easy that was? So, one child’s painting confirmed by another child’s OBE is all it takes. Children from a culture that present Jesus a certain way that’s very similar to your profile picture. I see.
Do you agree with Akiane and Colton over the Bible’s description?
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 6:31pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
So now you agree your earlier stance that there is no description of Jesus in the Bible to be wrong?

And by the way, was John having a vision? Or was he caught up to Heaven?

Do you even understand the difference… nah, this is above you.
Sure, it’s above me and I didn’t ask about the difference.

The question remains who is the guy in your profile picture?
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 6:23pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Can’t you see how the color of his hair and feet were described in his glorified form in the passage you just quoted? or are you struggling to understand basic English?

I’ve bolded these and highlighted in red for you to see properly.

And I like how you’ve shifted your stance from “there is no description of Jesus in the Bible” to another clarifying question.

Make this discussion worth my while. I place value on my time.
I had to clarify for you because your revelations example is obviously not what is being asked but you insist on it. One person’s depiction is below.

I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 6:16pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Is there a description of Jesus in the Bible? Yes or No.
Yes, based on a “vision” and not actual physical appearance.
Who is the guy in your profile picture?
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 6:08pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
From the highlighted bits of your posts

Is there a description of Jesus in the Bible? Yes or No
The relevant matter Is who the guy in the picture is. You keep going on about the “glorified form” as if it describes the physical form of Jesus. I clarified that the verse from revelation is not what is required because that describes a “glorious form”. Whatever that means. If it describes an actual physical form , you wouldn’t have called it a “glorious form”.
You insisted on using the “glorious form”. Fine, that’s the description of Jesus. So who is the guy in the picture?

“The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace,“

One would need more than the above to describe a person and this description doesn’t even sound human.
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 3:57pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Can’t you see how the color of his hair and feet were described in his glorified form in the passage you just quoted? or are you struggling to understand basic English?

I’ve bolded these and highlighted in red for you to see properly.

And I like how you’ve shifted your stance from “there is no description of Jesus in the Bible” to another clarifying question.

Make this discussion worth my while. I place value on my time.
I just love how you avoided the red highlighting for “glowing in the furnace”. Lol

I like the white hair on this guy’s head and I bet he has glowing bronze feet fresh out of a furnace.

Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 12:18pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Obviously you’re ignorant by repeatedly claiming there’s no description of Jesus in the Bible.

Study the book of Revelation 1 v 13-16 and see the description of Jesus in his glorified form.

By starting off with the ignorant conclusion there’s no description of Jesus in the scriptures, there’s really no point wasting my time on this subject matter.

It’s really boring exposing people’s intellectual shallowness on this platform.
OkCornel:
Critical thinking is offensive to the vast majority of religious Nigerians.

If you doubt me, just see how they struggle to hold intellectual conversations for long on the religion section. They struggle to answer questions that either confronts their belief system or stimulate that white meat in between their ears to think!
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 12:10pm On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Obviously you’re ignorant by repeatedly claiming there’s no description of Jesus in the Bible.

Study the book of Revelation 1 v 13-16 and see the description of Jesus in his glorified form.

By starting off with the ignorant conclusion there’s no description of Jesus in the scriptures, there’s really no point wasting my time on this subject matter.

It’s really boring exposing people’s intellectual shallowness on this platform.
Is there a description of Jesus in the Bible? By description, we are obviously speaking physical description so no need to be obtuse by presenting the “glorified form”.

You remind me of Maxindahouse bragging bout his intelligence or calling out “intellectual shallowness.
Nevertheless, the Bible verse you quoted of his “glorified form” doesn’t explain the random guy on your profile. Also, your profile dude doesn’t have that “glorified form” with “white hair and blazing fire eyes”
You will probably need Pixar skills to create a picture of his “glorious form” described below.

Revelations 1
and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[a] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

So, to avoid any obtuseness, let’s clarify the question.

Are there any physical descriptions of Jesus in the Bible? No ”glorified forms”, please.
Christianity Etc › Re: For Some Christians, ‘rapture Anxiety’ Can Take A Lifetime To Heal by KnownUnknown(op): 10:13am On Oct 02, 2022
OkCornel:
Rapture anxiety.

Lol, now this is an interesting disorder to research on further…
Nevertheless, there is no description of Jesus in the Bible so why do you have a portrait of a random guy on your profile?

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