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budaatum:
Is buda whateveratum?

It's time to test my faith.

Why not? Buda can be whateveratum she pleases. Nothing new under Atum.

triplechoice:
See how you just embarrassed yourself. Show me where I emphatically stated anything has been proven scientifically.

I referenced the study as a comparison for the trash you brought because you don't know what makes study a. valid. Or you want to pretend?

Now, you want to turn it around as if I said it is proven. But at least it said it can't be proven scientifically, and if you understand science very well you should know what that means

When something is not proven scientifically it means either of this; it may be true or not true, but we don't know

Besides, you just picked what to troll on and skipped the below from the others.The article you sheepishly swallowed claim without evidence that brains mechanism can still function to produce the vivid imageries associated with NDEs.

This not the first time you have brought in trash study that are invalid

What's there to be embarrassed about? You need to stop projecting.
What I posted and everything you've posted point to brain activity, no matter how limited, being responsible for NDE/RDE. You are the one who thinks there is something more going on and have failed over countless exchanges on this thread to prove your position is more than mumbo jumbo.,

triplechoice:
And is the activity linked with NDEs or responsible for it? No

Yes, brain activity is responsible/linked/whatever for NDEs

triplechoice:
Modified. You said they should tell people who may not know if they will experience OBEs or NDEss to go into a room and describe something? Do you even know the difference between something happening spontaneously and at will?

You certainly don't know.

I asked you about OBEs (not NDEs) and the ability to see things that are not in your immediate vicinity. It's apparent that NDE or RDE are due to brain activity and wholly dependent on what the person knows or believes. That much is clear.
You brought up spontaneous OBEs and said you have experienced such multiple times. However, your "OBE body" spontaneously coming out of your physical body should not prevent your "OBE body" from willfully going to another location. Unless it is mumbo jumbo. I asked you to clarify your statements about OBEs and you refused.

triplechoice:
And supposing, anyone can do what you're asking you expect them to let you know about it, and then you ask them to fly to your house to confirm what you're doing right now?

Absolutely. You don’t tel me bullshit and expect me believe you. But you don’t have to fly to my house. That’s why I asked those questions to see how far your “OBE/NDE/RDE Body” can travel.

It’s like the ones who say a ghost bleeped a virgin who gave birth to super jew. Well, I would love to see that happen again.

triplechoice:
OBEs is expansion of consciousness, and what is experienced after that depends on the level of awareness of the individual.

“expansion of consciousness” is mumbo jumbo but you are correct that what they experience depends on “the level of awareness” meaning what they already know or believe.

triplechoice:
It is not special powers but natural phenomena which everyone experiences in varying degrees.

Yes, people dream, daydream, and hallucinate because of the same organ.

triplechoice:
Having a strong sense of knowingness about something going on somewhere far from you that you later confirm to be true, means your consciousness has expanded to perceive things outside of your body.

More mumbo jumbo. If I ask you for an example now, you will clam up.

triplechoice:
People think if they don't experience the usual dramatic NDEs or OBEs of leaving the body, then they have not experienced it. Not true.

They leave their body just like they leave their body during dreaming. I was in Japan last night or maybe it was just a dream. Lol

triplechoice:
Scientists are confirming that everyone do have the experience, but can't consciousness recall their experiences due to psychological or biological reasons.

Scientists are confirming that people have experiences? Wow!

triplechoice:
My approach to the phenomena is mostly from a scientific point of view,so don't place me in the category of those who want to show they can demonstrate they have super powers.

And the scientific point of view indicates that it’s all in your head and you don’t exist independent of your body.

triplechoice:
Any further questions similar to the ones you asked above will be ignored.

That means your approach is not scientific. How can you ignore questions meant to shed light on the topic?

In May, Parnia led a multidisciplinary team of national and international leaders who published the first peer-reviewed consensus guidelines for the scientific study of recalled death experiences. The published guidelines end with this statement: “Although systematic studies have not been able to absolutely prove the reality or meaning of patients’ experiences and claims of awareness in relation to death, it has been impossible to disclaim them either.”

Lmao, oh yeah? It’s not impossible to disclaim you disingenuous clown. It’s all your head.

triplechoice:
OK, sorry I have not shared any link.

The project is tagged AWARE, Awarenesses Resuscitation studies, A collaboration between top scientist from different parts of the world. Doctors ,nurses and other health practitioners in hundreds of hospitals spread across Europe are involved too. It is a massive project, not something done by an individual scientists working alone.

The first phase ,AWAERE1 started in 2014 has ended you can search for the report by doing a simple Google check with the key word, AWARE1. However, the first phrase didn't meet with much success.
.It is the second one ,AWARE11, that has raised some hope from the teasers already released.

You don't need to parody anything now until you get the full report, and also know about the strict methodology used in the study.

They are not set out to confirm any assumptions. The rigorous methods used has eliminated any form of researchers bias.

https://awareofaware.co/2022/05/08/aware-ii-15-percent-of-people-had-reds/

https://neo.life/2022/08/your-brain-at-the-moment-of-death/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/07/near-death-experiences-will-studied-seriously-number-people/

https://awareofaware.co/2020/10/17/more-data-from-aware-ii-news-on-aware-iii-and-my-book/

I hope you take the time read the articles from the above links.

More nonsense.
The experiment should be easy. Just tell them to go to a specified room when they are in their NDE or OBE or any other nonsense state, and enumerate or describe the contents of the room.

Until then you’re NDEs, OBEs, are as real as dreams and just like dreams, it’s all in your head.
You must have missed this when you posted an earlier screenshot

PARNIA: As the heart stops and we die, the brain is flatlined and nonfunctional. However, using brain electrical monitoring, there is growing evidence that in this state (as people pass away), there are markers of activity (beta, delta, and sometimes gamma waves) that emerge for a very short period.


And this statement below from your proof is just Parnia’s unfounded opinion including “aspects of reality”, “the totality of of person’ as conscious experience”, etc. It is clear that the brain creating hallucination and illusion while his claims about “aspects of reality” at the height of bullshfit.

So, in short, it is not so much that the brain is creating these experiences as a hallucination or illusion but rather than the brain is enabling access to aspects of reality and a person’s own consciousness, including the totality of a person’s conscious experiences throughout the entirety of their lives, real and correct memories of their own interactions with others in life and the meaning of those actions, thoughts, and intentions.

triplechoice:
The questions you're asking have their answers in what I already wrote. Please take time to read them again.

I. expect you to know the difference between spontaneous and at will.


Your thoughts are still influenced by all the mumbo jumbo nonsense you have heard.

Md.

You didn’t answer any questions but make further claims about OBE happening spontaneously. When questioned about it, you claim it’s in what you wrote. If the answers were there or if you were telling the truth, those questions should be a walk in the park.
The only mumbo jumbo is your writings and posts. So your OBE,
NDE, and whatever else are all nonsense.
You can always come back and regale us with tales after your next spontaneous adventure outside to your body:

budaatum:
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Would you therefore claim that God is polytheistic too or that "God created children out of emitted sperm"?

The Spider-Man meme is a perfect description of the OP. Constantly complaining about Islam as if the same ideas aren’t found in his religion.

[quote author=Christistruth00 post=116486724][/quote]No, it’s not Samuel Ajayi making the claim but the writer who I guess was a white missionary. These missionary people lie as well as they breathe.

christistruth01:
Google it

I have seen any evidence that Bishop Crowther said Igbos were cannibals. However, guess who he called cannibals…..?

In Africa’s Forest And Jungle, Stone narrated how Crowther, a young boy from Osogun, was captured at about 13 years by Fulani slave raiders and “on the night that he was taken prisoner, his father was killed and he had seized his bow and quiver and fought in his place until overpowered.” Crowther was then “captured and sold to the Portuguese by the slave-hunters” and sold multiply until he was purchased by Portuguese traders who intended to pawn him on the transatlantic market. In later years, specifically in 1864, he was consecrated as first Black Bishop of the Anglican Church by Charles Longley, Archbishop of Canterbury, at the Canterbury Cathedral. The part of Stone’s encounter with Crowther that relates to this piece was that after his capture and on board a Portuguese slave-ship, alongside other captives, “they were told by the captain that the English had ships out looking for black people to eat…When he saw large pieces of meat hanging from the yard-arms of the Englishman’s ship and piles of cannon balls on the deck, his terror knew no bounds; for he thought that the balls were the heads of little darkeys like himself, and that their meat had been hung up to cool before being eaten.”

christistruth01:
With all Christian Humility

It was a Yoruba Christian Called Ajayi Crowther who first felt the Great burden to Carry the Light of the Gospel of Christ into the Heart of Darkness called Igboland

It was not what he was told it was what he and others with him had to Confront for the Sake of the Gospel of Christ

Can you please refer me to where Crowther made these claims?

christistruth01:
Her Ancestors were renowned naked Cannibals before the British Colonised and Christianized them and their Population exploded after they received Cassava Garri and Modern Medicine from the British Missionaries

Is that the lie they told you?

Pikin966:
Her Twitter account should be banned for such hateful post

Why can't she have respect for the dead

Lmao.
Why? Is she lying?

triplechoice:
Below is brief description of current approach used in investigating NDEs. Nothing like creating fake evidence, simulation, to deceive the public

The only people deceiving the public are those selling stories about NDE and OBE experience. The “current approach” looks like nonsense or maybe your screenshot didn’t provide enough information. What types of scientists are doing these studies?

“ Emergency Department or Research
staff will be alerted to cardiac arrest and
will attend with portable brain oxygen
monitoring devices and a tablet which
will display visual images upwards
above the patient as resuscitation is
taking place.”

Seriously?

After that fanciful activity, the whole thing still hinges on whatever fantasy the subject wants, which will be wholly dependent on what they already know or believe.

“Survivors will then be followed up and with their
consent will have in-depth, audio
recorded interviews.”

triplechoice:
Below is an uncommon OBEs experience. I can confirm this because I was having almost the same kind of OBEs spontaneously while growing even till adulthood. Singing in the choir, and the next thing ,I am watching my body singing. Walking home, and the next I am observing my body from up below. Those experiences were the things that pushed me to investigate the phenomena everywhere; esoteric groups, sciences reading everything I could lay my hands..

I have leant a lot ,and the most important I learnt is that no group has the complete answer, science or others, but by combining all that I learnt from everywhere I have to a certain extent being able to put the different piece of the puzzle together to create a near perfect picture behind the reasons I had those experiences in the past.

Do you still have these spontaneous experiences?

Are these spontaneous experiences limited to your body’s location?

Can your “OBE body” view things that are not in your body’s vicinity?

Can your “OBE Body” travel? If yes, how far?

@Budaatum
Do you live in Nigeria?

What is a spirit?
What is holiness?

ConsciousMan01:
Fofana looking like maguire mini

Where can I place a bet that Chelsea definitely isn’t winning champions league. Lol
Imagine Fofana vs Mbappe or Fofana vs Vinicius

OkCornel:
The same ruse only you can see, but all scholars of antiquity can’t see right?

Tell me another joke.

Read this part of the screenshot slowly.

“There is no indication that writers in antiquity who opposed Christianity questioned the existence of Jesus”

A joke is that a guy named Jesus existed and died for you.

When you find a contemporaneous scholar from antiquity who saw the boy perform magic, please post.

OkCornel:
The same ruse only you can see, but all scholars of antiquity can’t see right?

Tell me another joke.

Appeal to authority remains a fallacy too many are susceptible too.
I don’t give a damn about the “scholar” when evidence shows otherwise.
Why do I need a scholar to see the circular nature of the so called testimonium and the other nonsense?

OkCornel:
Another lame deflection.

You don’t know the difference between faith and indoctrination.

Faith
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. e.g. Parents

2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith" e.g. Okcornel who believes Jesus crawled out of a virgin.

OkCornel:
For the umpteenth time, claims of interpolation on Josephus’ accounts are already debunked.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

They haven’t been debunked. Anyone with critical thinking skills can see the ruse. One of the interpolations is even said to be more real than the other. Lol No, they are all fake.

OkCornel:
You’ve missed the point altogether. Trust right there is FAITH.

I don’t care about the basis of your trust. You trust your parents, you have faith in them. Simple!

Care to google the synonyms for TRUST?

In the context of religion, one can define faith as "belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion".[3] Religious people often think of faith as confidence based on a perceived degree of warrant,[4][5] while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence.[6]


1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. e.g. Parents

2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith" e.g. Jesus

OkCornel:
You’ve missed the point altogether. Trust right there is FAITH.

I don’t care about the basis of your trust. You trust your parents, you have faith in them. Simple!

Care to google the synonyms for TRUST?

Trusting your parents is not the same as having faith that a ghost impregnated a Hebrew virgin who gave birth to a white boy.

OkCornel:
With this funny and narrow mindset, someone will soon tell us the Obas of Benin around the 1500s never existed.

I can’t help but laugh at some people’s thought process

Is there any doubt about their existence? Does their existence include stories of ghosts impregnating virgins? If yes, we will have to bring them to the spotlight too. Lol

OkCornel:
You can’t refute the evidences of existence in the extra biblical sources. I really wonder what the whole needless rigmarole was for really.

You have no evidence and it’s been shown that your so called historicity of Jesus is wholly dependent on the gospels including the interpolations from Josephus.

OkCornel:
It proves Jesus Christ existed, and the Judaisers hated him. Case closed.

No it doesn’t.

OkCornel:
You have no idea what faith entails mehn.

You can see your father and mother right? Do you trust them? That’s Faith. Not delusion.

Trust and obedience is faith. Jeez!

I don’t have faith in my parents. I trust my parents based on facts.
That’s not religious faith. Trust and obedience are not religious faith.

Religious faith is believing implausible stories, doctrine, and dogma. But this is beside the point.

OkCornel:
Read the underlined part of the screenshot again.

Further references are in the two extra screenshots.

What does the underline part prove? That two rabbis discussed the magical powers of some dudes? Where, when? Where they eye witness. Random excerpts are not helping.

What does the other two screenshots prove? That some guy named Joshua Ben Perachjah went to Egypt?

OkCornel:
Too late, can’t change goalposts in the middle of the game. Outside the gospel was the yardstick for this discussion.

I didn’t know there was a time limit for yardsticks lol.

OkCornel:
The Jewish Rabbis that hated him so much and insulted him in the Talmud could not deny his miracles which were called magic.

What more do you want? A selfie video of Jesus Christ on the cross?

And I asked for the source used by the “Jewish Rabbis who hated him so much” if they are not religious texts.
Were any of these “Jewish rabbis who hated him so much” his contemporaries or were they discussing religious texts?

What magic exactly did these Jewish rabbis say he performed.

If you had a selfie video, you wouldn’t need faith or have the Chicago boy as a profile picture.