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ReubenSandwich:
Thanks for responding to my post.

I’ll need to go back and read some of your posts again, to see what you’re promoting and what I think about it.

I’m not promoting anything.

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO


Africans ehn!

What are you laughing at?!

Laughing at the person’s claim about mermaids as if the things you believe aren’t equally silly.

“Africans ehn” as if you are not an example of those Africans with absurd beliefs.

ReubenSandwich:
Do you have some reasons for thinking that deconverting people will help reduce the amount of cruelty, violence and oppression in the world, help reduce the damage from them, and/or help improve the world in any other way? Have you seen any empirical validation for that?

God is the invincible leash around the neck of the animal named Man. Unfortunately, that leash can be used to lead them to the same cruelty, violence, and oppression it aims to control.
Nevertheless, I for one prefer the leash on their necks.

Noah didn’t even have the best boat because Utnapishtim built a boat with 7 levels to survive the flood. Noah was just a 500 year old drunkard who barely survived the flood. Utnapishtim also had more people on the boat than Noah had on his so Utnapishtim is probably more responsible for by human race than Noah’s incestuous family.

Judas1X:
A pointless and aimless critique. Completely irrelevant to the subject.



This response is beyond retardéd, and it doesn't even remotely address the issue raised by KnownUnknown.... So what if your people see the "real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit."? Don't others see it too, according to their worldview?

I didn’t even bother to answer the slowpoke. That’s one of the characters around here I have absolutely no regard or respect for. Such an absurd character.

budaatum:
That has never been disputed. Read my LordReed again. You'd see him state they are stories written by diverse individuals. And if you read people here enough, you'd see everyone creating their own god in their own individual image.

I don’t need to read anything again. I saw what he posted and supported it with Marcion. You are the one writing nonsense about Genesis 1 God and Genesis 2 God as if you are providing anything new to the discussion. Like Marcion and the rest, you have an opinion. Congratulations!

You know what? Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, and Genesis 3 God are the same God suffering from multiple personality disorder and other mental maladies.

budaatum:
KnownUnknown, can you see from what you've posted how Genesis 1 God might not be Genesis 2 God?

Do you see from what I have posted how Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, Genesis 3 God, Genesis 4 God, Genesis ad infinitum God are nothing more than someone’s opinion?

LordReed:
It was thought of, told and written by men.

The centrality of the Pauline epistles in Marcion's canon reflects the fact that Marcion considered Paul to be the correct interpreter and transmitter of Jesus' teachings, in contrast to the Twelve Disciples and the early Jerusalem church.[5]

LordReed:
It was thought of, told and written by men.

Marcion was the first to codify a Christian canon. His canon consisted of only eleven books, grouped into two sections: the Evangelikon, a shorter version of the Gospel of Luke, and the Apostolikon, a selection of ten epistles of Paul the Apostle, which were also slightly shorter than the canonical text. Early Christians such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Epiphanius claimed that Marcion's editions of Luke and the Pauline epistles were intentionally edited by Marcion to match his theological views, and many modern scholars agree.[21] However, some scholars argue that Marcion's texts were not substantially edited by him, and may in some respects represent an earlier version of these texts than the canonical versions.[4][22][23][24] Like the Gospel of Mark, the gospel used by Marcion did not contain elements relating to Jesus' birth and childhood. Interestingly, it did contain some Jewish elements, and material that challenged Marcion's ditheism—a fact that was exploited by early Christians in their polemics against Marcion.[25]

LordReed:
It was thought of, told and written by men.

According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. In contrast, the God that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal God of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy. Marcion also produced a book titled Antitheses, which is no longer extant, contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.

Marcion held Jesus to be the son of the Heavenly Father but understood the incarnation in a docetic manner, i.e. that Jesus' body was only an imitation of a material body, and consequently denied Jesus' physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection.

LordReed:
It was thought of, told and written by men.

E.g.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
Teachings:
Study of the Hebrew scriptures, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church, led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of Yahweh, characterized as the belligerent god of the Hebrew Bible. Marcion responded by developing a ditheistic system of belief around the year 144.[note 2] This notion of two gods—a higher transcendent one and a lower world-creator and ruler—allowed Marcion to reconcile his perceived contradictions between Christian Old Covenant theology and the Gospel message proclaimed by the New Testament.

In contrast to other leaders of the nascent Christian Church, however, Marcion declared that Christianity was in complete discontinuity with Judaism and entirely opposed to the scriptures of Judaism. Marcion did not claim that these were false. Instead, he asserted that they were entirely true, but were to be read in an absolutely literalistic manner, one which led him to develop an understanding that Yahweh was not the same God spoken of by Jesus. For example, Marcion argued that the Genesis account of Yahweh walking through the Garden of Eden asking where Adam was, proved that Yahweh inhabited a physical body and was without universal knowledge, attributes wholly incompatible with the Heavenly Father professed by Jesus.

LordReed:
It was thought of, told and written by men.

Look at the Jewish priest chanting rubbish in this movie scene that depicts “possession”. Our people would look at this and believe it to be effective and benevolent but a similar scene would be viewed as ineffective or malevolent.
The notion that this culture and their nonsense are special is probably the most absurd idea in the world. I blame the ancient Roman government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztZUqKrHVo

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. The Lord Stirred up the heart of Putin to invade Ukraine. Some weeks ago, while i was praying, The Lord made me to know that He stirred up the heart of Putin to invade Ukraine. Putin's actions had been Spiritually programmed by God.

It’s so easy for this god of yours to stir up misery in places faraway from you.

Mohammed copied Moses and became a terrorist.

Be that as it may but did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

The Christians have story about Lucifer ...

Lucifer is a Latin word that literally means "light bearer"

The Christians however moulded up Satan ,devil and Lucifer into one composite being thereby creating the confusion. They are 3 different being and represent 3 different aspect of plants...

Lucifer was used only in the Vulgate bibie by Jerome in Isaiah 14 to describe a certain spirit (goddess of sleep) in relation to the king of shurrupak. The name never appeared in any previous version. So one wonders what a Latin word doing in a Hebrew text. (Need clarification?)

Devil is a Jewish concept as the Igbos do not have anyone else apart from Chukwu,who is the source of both good and evil..

Satan on the other side means an adversary. Anything or anyone who hinders us from achieving our aim is Satan....(both Atikulooter and Tifnubu are Satan to Mr Obi)


But Lucifer?? (Atiku is Lucifer to Mr Obi)

FemiAjani:
They get so wrapped up in trying to win points they forget the big picture and even forget the best handwave for such instructions: a corrupt priesthood defending its power and privileges over God's will.

Maybe some forget or maybe some suspect that this handwave opens the flood gate that ends in the realization that God’s will has always and invariably been the corrupt priesthood’s will. Check out the “power and privilege” of the Catholic Church for example.

They won’t use that handwave because it might just destroy their faith and their understanding of reality while also stoking their existential dread. It will demand that they create their own meaning for existing, and they are utterly incapable of it. I don’t blame them really, because the world is indeed a shit show and God makes it somewhat palatable for them.

triplechoice:
Who was Mary Kathryn?
She was proven to be a lunatic and fraud when she was alive.
Her book has been "fingered" as one of the causes of RST, Religious stress Trauma, experienced by some Christians who have read it and believed her fiction.

Here below would help you to know about the person whose reality distorting book the Op is serialising.
Later, I would come back to explain in more detail how the book has destroyed minds and still doing so.
Expect more.https://medium.com/belover/the-hell-hustler-654de600fff5

People experiencing OBEs have confirmed her claims. They have evidence that she is no fraud. Numerous OBEs confirm and validate her claims.

If the OP wasn’t the typical Christian, he would point at the Cosmic Microwave Background as evidence that his jew god created light before the “greater light” and the “lesser light”. But if he were capable of that he wouldn’t be trying to make sense out of fairy tales in the first place.

kingxsamz:
Long unnecessary story trying to explain ancient myths written by goat herders.
There are billions of suns in the universe in different solar systems. The Bible story focuses on earth and everything around it because those who wrote this story didn't know about other planets or if there are suns out there. The whole story plays out on earth. The tree of life, the garden of Eden, Satan's fall and every other thing took place on earth.
How does one create billions of planets and solar systems but choose to focus on one small tiny rock with water and still fail woefully at keeping things in order and in good shape?

The Bible wasn’t written by “goat herders”. The creators of that stories you refer to may have been ignorant of “ billions of planets and solar systems”, and they did build their theology on a geocentric system but “goat herders” there were not.
One has to be pretty smart to come up with the bullshit they did. My favorite piece of bullshit from the “garden”:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203%3A15&version=NIV&interface=amp
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

I also like how the Catholics have changed their own Bible as seen below. Hmmmm, lmao. The “word of dog” indeed. I wonder if Dog edited it or maybe it was man, as always.

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/genesis/3

15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
They will strike at your head,
while you strike at their heel.

budaatum:
That is no reason to allow oneself to be deceived, or you would have joined them in their deception by now!

It’s not about me.

budaatum:
I do not accept that "people are animals one step removed from the harshness of nature" because that is not what I have experienced.

You have been conversing with me awhile today and there's nothing yet to suggest to me that you are "people are animals one step removed from the harshness of nature", and I know I am not "people are animals one step removed from the harshness of nature". And I am not prepared to create some crappy unverified belief that "people are animals one step removed from the harshness of nature" because such a stupid belief would be untrue and would only self prophecy itself.

Please know that deception is not necessary for me. I would rather not be deceived, and I see no merit for myself in me deceiving others

Mankind has made significant strides from living in the wild and being wild but history bears witness to what I wrote.

budaatum:
Unknown. First please note that I have not asked you to join my army to fight in a war against deception that may likely be lost. Jesus fought this same deception and lost. We read that they killed the bugger, then they try to deceive many that he died for their sin, when anyone with eyes would see he was teaching people to overcome their sins. He is indeed the one who stepped out the cave and returned to teach those inside the cave only to have his head bashed in, the poor sod.

Isn’t the whole purpose of the story is for them to kill the bugger?
What “sins” was he teaching them to overcome?
What was said in the story that was new and hadn’t been heard before?

budaatum:
There are others we read about who fought wars against deception and did not lose. One should learn from them too and not only from Jesus Christ, especially if one really wants to successfully fight against ignorance and deception.

They weren’t fighting a war about the foundation of society itself. Besides, the lies have become the comfortable truth.

budaatum:
Cancer is an illness. It can be caused by not living right which I would call a sin. If I commit the sin (another word for which is error) of smoking, for instance, I may get throat cancer, or if I sit on my ass all day I might get cancer of the ass.

Cancer does not depend on “not living right”. Breast cancer does not depend on “not living right”
Sickle cell anemia does not depend on “not living right”.
“Not living right” is a cop out. They all shorten life, are they sins or not?

budaatum:
Suicide is the result of the sin of being weak and unable to bear pain, which can easily be overcome with knowledge that empowers one.

Who are you to tell someone how much pain is bearable? Can you feel another person’s pain or know when it becomes unbearable?

budaatum:
It is my own opinion that Russia, the instigator, is the sinner here, but recognise opinions differ.

The question wasn’t about the instigator. Both sides are at war and war shortens life, instigator or otherwise.

budaatum:
You should really ask how those created in God's image could possibly have been made to be ignorant in the first place.

Created in God’s image. What does that mean?
What is God? What is God’s image?

budaatum:
After all, the God who created in its image could not possibly have been ignorant or it couldn't have possibly created anything.

Hey, you can’t tell. If you say this God created in its image, this could very well be a foolish design as far as “creation” is concerned. I mean God’s contemporaries could be laughing and pointing at God’s creation.

budaatum:
To me, knowledge can not possibly be "not something to be desired or eschewed". And if you placed me in the Garden of Eden my only food would be the fruit of the tree of the knowledge, and God please do your damned worst!

Because you are not ignorant of knowledge like the naked drones in the story.

budaatum:
That lovely snake, lol. Do you seriously expect the story to read "and Eve the woman used her own mind to think for herself"?
I don't think men who wrote a book to convince the woman she was a rib would want her to discover her own mind.

Funny thing to say when your whole interpretation is based on the woman in the story using her “senses”. It’s like you are arguing against your own position now.

budaatum:
I don't think I'd know what "die" means if I were ignorant. So I'd ask the person who told me I'd die what the heck die meant, wouldn't I, since I'm too ignorant to know. And then I'd go check what the person meant instead of merely believing what I'm told.

How would you know to ask questions if you are ignorant and don’t know that one of the ways to procure knowledge is by asking questions?

You really can’t praise or denigrate Adam and Eve based on “knowledge”.

budaatum:
And that's what it means to you. To me it means peace of mind on this very earth. Psalm 15 might explain it you better.

Cool.

budaatum:
Now, why the heck would I want to leave the world to be deceived when the world they create with their deception affects me too?

One, people have been deceived since time immemorial.

Two, I think the deception is necessary because people are animals one step removed from the harshness of nature. I’ll rather they keep staring at the shadows in the cave.

Three, you can fight the deception battles when needed but it’s a war that can only be lost.

budaatum:
What is there to expand on? Care to ask a direct question? It would show where to start.

Cancer can shorten life and suicide(because of unbearable pain from the cancer) can shorten life. Which one is a sin since you defined sin as anything that shortens life.

War shortens life. Who is the sinner between the Russian and the Ukrainian?

budaatum:
I never said they were anything but my own opinion.

And OP has his.

budaatum:
My own opinion is that a person who walks by a tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and refuses to check if eating it would kill them, is ignorant and would remain ignorant because they have refused to nourish themselves with fruits that would give them knowledge.

Cool. If they were ignorant, how would they have any notion of “knowledge of good and evil”? As far as their concerned, “knowledge of good and evil” is not something to be desired or eschewed because they were “ignorant”.

budaatum:
And a person who uses their own eye sense to looks at said fruit and find it good for food, and then uses their own sense of taste to eat and check if it would kill them is rather much more intelligent.

Really? Eve would listen and obey the last person (or snake) to talk to her because she was “ignorant”. If the serpent told her not to eat the fruit, she would have complied and there is no reason to think that Adam wouldn’t have eaten the fruit if the serpent had told him to. Regardless, the garden isn’t even a “garden”

budaatum:
One believes they would die, while one is willing to check if they'd die, and I know which I'd rather be.

How would you know what “die” means if you are ignorant?

tctrills:
Now you are going around in circles. It's time to move on. We can't remain stuck with the same talking points. You should know that. You waited 3 days just to repeat the same talking points. wow.

I gave the answer 3 days ago but you kept insisting that “religion created” as if religion is a conscious agent and not something practiced by humans.

budaatum:
To me, sin is anything that shortens life on this earth.

Interesting definition. Care to expand?

budaatum:
And what to you is "the Kingdom of God"?

Nothing.

budaatum:
Maybe I do. Thankfully, you can read it too and point out my misunderstanding and correct me, just as I am presuming to correct the op.

Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

budaatum:
Not only propaganda, but programming to fool the gullible into not listening to what he was teaching.

What makes you think he taught that?
This doesn’t address the questions I brought up about the “the Jews”.
Are you trying to fool the gullible by quoting propaganda?

budaatum:
And that is why one should open one's eyes and see to look for oneself instead of listening to and believing the ignorance such as the op is propagating here.

That’s your opinion. Some would say you are also propagating ignorance.

budaatum:
I may use a hammer to bash your head in, but I doubt you'd blame the hammer, which I can also use to nail bits of wood together to build you a shelter. Same with the story of Adam in the Garden of Eden. Many may read it and be like ignorant Adam, while some may choose to be like use her senses Eve. And some may read Genesis 1 and refuse to be put in the Garden of Eden in the very first place.

“Ignorant Adam” and “Use her senses Eve” are just your opinion about what the story means.

budaatum:
What you've quoted is not meant to enslave you.

Add, if your eyes refuse to see, pluck them out and trod on them. But I'm sure before you pluck out your eyes you'd visit an optician first, unless you are stupid.

I better pluck it out instead of going “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched”

There’s no denying that the fear mongering verse is meant to enslave. Like I said, they obviously don’t take it literally so second paragraph is just a disguised insult. Lol

budaatum:
Experience would show you that knowledge actually empowers you to choose whether to sin or not and that it is ignorance that actually makes one sin.

What is sin?

budaatum:
And only a person who has not understood what is presented as Christ's teaching would not see he promoted knowledge, as does the story of the Garden of Eden which they misunderstand.

Christ promoted the “kingdom of god”.
Maybe you also misunderstand the Garden of Eden.

budaatum:
Some said the same about your Messiah, so I stand in very good company.

19 Again the Jews were divided
because of these words. 20 Many of
them were saying,
"He has a demon
and is out of his mind. Why listen to Him?

Doesn’t this sound like propaganda to you?
First of all, we have the gross generalization of “the Jews” as if they were one homogenous group who opposed this messiah character.
Second, what ethnicity is the writer for him to just refer to people Jesus was supposedly a part of as “the Jews”
Third, isn’t Jesus supposed to be “a jew”
Fourth, why antagonize a whole culture like that?

Reminds me of racist whites in America who always have something to say about “the blacks”.