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triplechoice:
Their are methods we have used to prove them true

Please, present a couple of methods.

triplechoice:
Where did I say consciousness can do without a functioning brain within the human body?

And what is consciousness? You seem not be be sure what it is.

You imply consciousness is more than the functioning of the central nervous system as it processes and interprets sensory inputs from the environment.

Of course I don’t claim to fully understand consciousness because there is no way to have a subjective experience of other people’s consciousness talk less of other beings in nature; so I only speak of my consciousness (extrapolated to other humans) and how it could just be a type amongst many just like the human eye is a type amongst many. You can’t see a cat in the dark but it sees you clearly.

Human consciousness is a state where one is aware of the external environment as the CNP (according to the body of knowledge known as biology and personal observation that consciousness requires at least a live human that can respond to stimulus) processes sensory inputs from the various faculties while being aware that one is distinct from the rest of the environment.

triplechoice:
Maybe you don't understand that an understanding of brain function doesn't answer the hard question of consciousness.

In other words understanding very well how a car functions will not answer for you what makes up the mind of the driver of the car

You were asked to respond to some questions, but you avoided them.

Reminder of one of them, if brains are responsible for our personality, why do we have people with distorted personality without brain defect and vice versa?

Regardless of the “hard” or “soft” problem of consciousness, there is no human consciousness without a functioning brain along with the rest of the central nervous system. You can dwell in obscurantism all you want but consciousness remains an attribute of a functioning brain.
I’m not saying consciousness is limited to the brain but our consciousness is dependent on the functioning and state of our central nervous system.
Consciousness could even be gradations such that plants are one level, different types of animals on other levels, great apes on a higher level, humans on a level above that, hypothetical Ancient Martians on a level above humans, hypothetical Andromedan Galaxians on an even higher level and so on.

LordReed:
@triplechoice
Why does it seem blind people don't have visual NDEs?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799333/m2/1/high_res_d/vol16-no2-101.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjMj4SY2qj4AhU3gM4BHXvCBFAQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1w1VVHqNtQET6f9661Qimw

Because they are spiritually blind.

ifex370:
"He that watches over Isreal neither sleeps nor slumbers", and many other portions.

No doubt! However, “He that watches over Nigeria is in a coma”, and many other portions.

Uranus

LordReed:
A massive empire that is growing exponentially. LoLz. Meanwhile Jesus is coming soon! Bwahahahahaha!

Well, Jesus is the largest shareholder and he has to have a large return on his investment upon his return, which is very soon.

LordReed:
For instance Oyedepo's son, what suffering for righteousness sake has he endured?

Suffering is learning how to sustain your inheritance. What inheritance? Taking the helm of a cross border Religion Franchise, Winners Chapel, LLC!!

LordReed:
According to Kingsnairaland, Adam and Eve where "white" because all the colours of the rainbow combine to give white. He buttresses this by saying "white" people can birth any other colour. LoLz.

My apologies. Their god is white afterall. Talking about their white god, I would love for a very pigmented Pope(Papa) of the Catholic Church to be selected by the cardinals (a.k.a. Chosen by God”) to see the religious version of the Obama Presidency. Some christian whites haven’t recovered from that “monumental event” of being led by a man whose skin did not lack pigmentation. I swear, a Black pope would be the end of Catholicism/Christendom in many places. imagine having the same religious beliefs as these white racist cunts!!

LordReed:
LoLz. Unless you can produce the genetic composition of Adam and Eve you are not correct in saying genetics confirms we are descendants of Adam and Eve. Fact is genetics has revealed that modern humans descended from a group of humans in Africa not two "white" people from the Middle East.

Excuse you, two “Middle Brown” people from Mesopotamia.

allswellis:
With this your apron that someone said he was shot at but the bullet couldn't penetrate through.

Righteousness wear the apron and I will gladly bring the gun. Let’s put it to a test. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC5T7sdHANE


For those who are willfully ignorant about the brain’s function and insist the mind/conciousness is some special concoction of magical nonsense.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4GYxS8lFE0&t=161s

https://www.nairaland.com/7168998/rapture-imminent-jesus-christ-coming


Yaaayyy!!! At least we know the rapture won’t happen in the next 48 hours!!

OurTruth:
For a lot of you that know me and have been following my work on this forum, you'd know that I've been committed to sharing information about serious and important topics that most of you aren't exposed to. I've shared a lot of information and I still haven't scratched the surface. I still have hundreds of more threads to create and many that I haven't finished.

All the information I've gathered over the last twelve years were stored on my laptop and duplicated on my external hard drive.

Yesterday evening, orange juice spilled on my computer and it fried the motherboard. I took it out today for repair and the cost of repair is almost the same as getting a new laptop

My budget now is $500 for a new laptop. Without a computer, I won't be able to access the information and deliver it like I always have done. I personally do not have the funds to get a new laptop.

I want to use this medium to ask for donations from people who have been following my work and who are interested in knowing the truth.

I've faced a lot of setbacks since I've been giving out this information. It's almost like things around me are working against me being able to share this information. But I will not stop. I'll continue to share the information and I plead with you guys to help me.

To make it easy for everyone to donate, regardless of location, I'll use a Bitcoin wallet address to receive donations.

Below is the Bitcoin wallet address.

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Thank you in advance.

Yes, things around you are working against you. The solution is not soliciting for bitcoins but in accessing one of your past lives.
You have to go into deep meditation to access the Damgus and align the KCE in your soul with the plane of pure energy. This exercise will allow you to access one of your past lives and find a solution to your problem. There is nothing new under the sun.

The exercise enables me to access all 7 of my past lives and 12 reincarnations. Most of the answers reside in the sublime plane so make sure your KCE aligns with that plane.

HellVictorinho4:
Still stupidity making you think I meant it

Chicken! Don’t back down!! Go on a raping and rapine adventure.

HellVictorinho4:
Stupidity makes you think I meant it


Why would I rape your issues?


Your children can only exist as your issues


But if you want to be scammed , just tell the whole world........ maybe your family members will support you.

Don’t backdown now!! I was girding myself for your onslaught. What else are you going to do?

HellVictorinho4:
But it's true


Am I not a scammer again?

I await your actions with trepidation.

TenQ:
I can only smile with a chuckle!
Time always speaks!

Cc: KnownUnknown:

7000 years of headstands in Tartarus is your lot. You better pray to me for forgiveness.

HellVictorinho4:
I scammed your brothers and sisters.

I will still rape your children and kidnap your friends.



I shouldn't forget to drop a bomb in your house or office.

At least, you should be robbed on the street if you aren't around when the bomb is dropped.

Ooooohhhhhhh, I’m quaking in my boots!!!

HellVictorinho4:
He(Ten....Q) refuses to ask , seek and knock towards understanding .....he doesn't have an effective understanding of these matters .....the writing in the Bible is not being effectively understood by him ... I think he should ask Buda who knows the intention of the writers of the Bible.....Buda even knows what the writers wrote mistakenly..... MaXin D House can invite members of the Jehovah's witnesses to testify to these things.



That's for them.


As for you,I think you should never have done certain things some time ago.

As for you, I think you should have departed this world by now. Are you still scamming? Lol

LordReed:
Forgive me, it was youthful exuberance. LoLz.

I will roll a blunt and smoke in your honor my good sir.

LordReed:
Leave the thread I created? LoLz, you must be high on expired weed. Bwahahahahaha!

Never blame God’s own plant for the arrant stupidity displayed on this site. I’m a prophet when it comes to the Divine Weed and I reject your insinuation . These people are just r3tarded.

I am a spirit body. A spirit body is the body of angels and demons residing in the Gargantuan Realm of Dreams situated near the River of Forgetfulness and the Plains of Necessity. The body is composed of sublime alcoholic (No, not that type of alcohol, but the “spiritual” kind) vapors that morph into different shapes.
Spirit bodies form the skeleton of every human and houses the soul. However, you have to be able to perform astral projections to view spirit bodies. After death, the spirit body comes out of the meat body and takes the soul to Holding. When it gets to Holding, the spirit body morphs into a Book of Life and the Council of Divine Simians render judgement based on what’s written in the book. Then the soul is weighed on the Spirit Scales of Justice to determine how heavy it is with sin.

I know this because I ass-tral traveled to the Pleiades and viewed the future of TenQ. That retard is headed for Tartarus after he dies where he will be subjected to headstands for 7,000 years.

sylva1:
Yes, and he also stands a chance to be voted for to become a Pope.

Lol.

FatherOfJesus:
Like I said, they are not allegories. They are the special of how ancient people perceived the world. They didn't have they kind of knowledge we have to see the world from a broader view. They inserted God into anything they could not understand. That's the fact, any other thing like the "allegory" claim is dishonesty. Call a spade a spade, those books are wrong. Don't sugarcoat the truth in form of allegory. allegories claim does not make sense. It gives room for manipulations and many subjective interpretations hence unending arguments. The text is what it is. Ancient understanding the world. No need sugarcoating it. Adam and Eve maybe allegorical to you but not to the person who wrote the original text. They meant what they wrote.
It's allegorical to you because you have more nderstanding of the world and you know that it cannot be true. That wasn't the case when they were writing those texts

They are allegories regardless if you understand them as such or not. Look beyond the literal interpretation. Yes, they are based on ancient people’s understanding of the world but they had to make observations in order to compose the allegories. You are right that it gives room for manipulations but what is religion without manipulations?

How can you say what the author of Adam and Eve means when you don’t understand the story?!
Being the FatherofJesus, do you know that your son is also an allegory?

FatherOfJesus:
nobody is arguing this with you. People practice science subconsciously before Galileo but there notjing like an organized methodology or principle called science it didn't exist. No peer review process, not process of making hypothesis and no strict standard for practices. It wasn't science it was something else.

They didn’t practice science “subconsciously” but consciously. Just because it wasn’t the standardized methodology doesn’t mean they didn’t make observations, form hypothesis, and experiment. Their observations form the basis of religious lores and persons.

FatherOfJesus:
And again, I am yet to see how Judaism did any science before or after Galileo.

You are not alone but amongst the multitude. Build your base of knowledge and you might see it.

FatherOfJesus:
how does this make your claim that some religion can be called science valid?

I never made that claim. I said the progenitors of religion were protoscientists who developed myths and characters based on their observations(1st step on science). You claimed there was no science before Galileo and I posted Eratosthenes as an example of science before Galileo. Again, just because there was no standardized methodology doesn’t mean science didn’t exist prior to Galileo.

FatherOfJesus:
I don't know why this should even be an argument.
Religion is philosophy and philosophy makes observations but will never make hypothesis to test or any form of experiment. Religion is never science, that's why their beliefs are immutable. Scientific theories and concept are fallable and can be reviewed with better evidence. Religion in all kinds is conservative and immune to change. They don't test anything, they just stop at the hypothesis stage (at least in philosophy) .
Torah is not written in allegories. It's written in clear terms based of the understanding of ancient individuals of how the world works. Modern jews who obviously have seen and with the help of science that those stories are nonsensical now claim its allegory in other to reconcile their faith with reality. Ofcourse we know that's dishonest and hypocritical but we don't mind, as long as they don't make their books the universal truth. They can call it whatever but we are damn sure that Torah is not allegory. It was a literal interpretation of what the ancient people believed unless you want to keep living in denial

There was nothing like science before Galileo. Science is a methodology with strict principles to follow. While those principles may have been subconsciously practiced by individuals, there wasn't an organized body of knowledge called science until 1700s.
Stop living in denial, it's foolhardy to try to say any religion operates in scientific principles by claiming some religiois are allegories. This is a subtly way of saying that those religions texts are not realities and allegorical books can never make it to science.

There is no argument. I’m just telling you how things are without the misinformation and bias.

Here is an example of peope doing “science” before 1700.

https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/big-history-project/solar-system-and-earth/knowing-solar-system-earth/a/eratosthenes-of-cyrene
“Eratosthenes was also the first to calculate the tilt of the Earth’s axis, which he figured with remarkable accuracy; the finding was reported by Ptolemy (85-165 CE). Eratosthenes also calculated the distance from the Earth to the Moon and to the Sun, but with less accuracy. He made a catalog of 675 stars. He made a calendar with leap years and laid the foundation of chronology in the Western world by organizing the dates of literary and political events from the siege of Troy (about 1194–1184 BCE) to his own time.
Yet his most lasting achievement was his remarkably accurate calculation of the Earth’s circumference (the distance around a circle or sphere). He computed this by using simple geometry and trigonometry and by recognizing Earth as a sphere in space. Most Greek scholars by the time of Aristotle (384–322 BCE) agreed that Earth was a sphere, but none knew how big it was.
How did Greek scholars know the Earth was a sphere? They observed that ships disappeared over the horizon while their masts were still visible. They saw the curved shadow of the Earth on the Moon during lunar eclipses. And they noticed the changing positions of the stars in the sky.

Measuring the earth

Eratosthenes heard about a famous well in the Egyptian city of Swenet (Syene in Greek, and now known as Aswan), on the Nile River. At noon one day each year — the summer solstice (between June 20 and June 22) — the Sun’s rays shone straight down into the deep pit. They illuminated only the water at the bottom, not the sides of the well as on other days, proving that the Sun was directly overhead. (Syene was located very close to what we call the Tropic of Cancer, 23.5 degrees north, the northernmost latitude at which the Sun is ever directly overhead at noon.)
Eratosthenes erected a pole in Alexandria, and on the summer solstice he observed that it cast a shadow, proving that the Sun was not directly overhead but slightly south. Recognizing the curvature of the Earth and knowing the distance between the two cities enabled Eratosthenes to calculate the planet’s circumference.”

Like I said before, just because you take the Bible literally like the people you mock doesn’t negate the fact that it contains allegories, and the characters in the allegories are inspired by the natural world which they made observations about. Just because scientific methodology wasn’t standardized before 1700s, doesn’t meant people didn’t practice science prior to Galileo. Go back a further 2000 years from Eratosthenes and people were practicing science, go back another 2000 years and they were practicing science. Some people had to crawl before Galileo could walk and modern day scientist could run.

I didn’t say religion operates in scientific principles. I only opposed your claim that the Bible was written by “goatherders” when they were composed by scribes with observational knowledge of nature. Science wasn’t standardized in their time and religion isn’t science but that doesn’t mean they didn’t practice science. They had to make observations in order to construct those allegories.

How sure are you The Torah doesn’t contain allegories when you seemingly don’t understand what an allegory is based on this quote of yours.

“It's written in clear terms based of the understanding of ancient individuals of how the world works. “

So because Adam and Eve was written in clear terms it is not allegorical?!

FatherOfJesus:
I disagree with you sir.

While, the concept of science didn't exist until Galileo Galilee. Let's break it down.
What's science?
Science is a methodology, which includes making an observation, creating hypothesis and then setting up experiments to test such hyputhesis before reaching any conclusions. That's a direct opposite of any religious including Judaism.

Religion is philosophy and philosophy is not science. They don't make rational conclusions from tested experiments, they make conclusions from rationalism/arguments and not empiricims which make religion any not science.
I do not see anything scientific about the Judiast Torah.
If you are arguing that some jews are/wer good scientists then I will agree but the religion in itself has nothing to do with science. In science, your beliefs are useless, you have to dump them before entering the lab.

Observation is a part of science and the religious stories and characters they created were based on observations of nature. You can say “science didn’t exist before Galileo” but knowledge and expertise accumulate over time and the predecessors of of Galileo performed basic science of making observations and forming hypothesis of sorts, and performing experiments . Do you really think mankind didn’t perform all these “science” before Galileo? Galileo’s and co can get credit for standardization of science but no one gets credit for creating science. Humans have been performing science since primitive people made observations and experimented with nature in order to thrive.

More ancient cultures than the Hebrews were probably the originators of the concepts these religions are built on and some of these concepts made it into the Torah and other places. Of course you do not see the science in the Torah because it’s written in allegories that are not easily decipherable unless you have a base of knowledge that’s broad enough.

In your other reply, you called some ancients “primitive agriculturists”. Before we could get “modern agriculturists” some people had to do the “primitive” part. Same with science. Before “modern science” existed, some people had to do the primitive part. Human knowledge accumulates over time and doesn’t just pop up in a vacuum.

Their observational skills helped organize primitive societies and helped them develop religion.

FatherOfJesus:
Science and religion are far from complementary. They are polar opposites. The latter is founded on dogma and operates exclusively on faith, while the former is founded on scepticism and operates on rigorous testing and experimental verification (or falsification) of a hypothesis with hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence.

Which brings us to — Since no hard, objective, verifiable and reproducible evidence has ever been presented by anyone for the existence of any god (any of the 8,000–12,000 of them worshiped on different parts of this planet), when one decides to look at the evidence from a scientific perspective the whole thing falls apart. One, inevitably, arrives at the logical conclusion that religion is not really based on facts or the word of a supernatural being, but is instead man-made bs.

Which is probably why the original creators of those tales thought it might be a good idea to add a footnote or two, like “believe and don't doubt”, or “the lord works in mysterious ways”. What they really mean is, don’t ask too many questions otherwise our story will fall apart.

Now, you are welcome to believe that the universe was created by god a mere 7000 years ago, the sun orbits the earth, some dude called Lazarus kicked the bucket but then arose from the dead, another dude called Samson killed 1000 philistines with a donkey's jawbone, or a 500-year-old grandpa packed 9 million species × 2 on a wooden boat which then inbred among themselves in the biggest incest orgy ever staged to perpetuate life on earth.

Actually, religion (Mesopotamian and Egyptian at least, therefore Judaism and its offshoots) is based on science. The creators of religious beliefs were the first scientists because the stories and characters are based on their observations of nature.

FatherOfJesus:
catch up on what.?

Catchup on religious text written by middleast goat herders?

“Middleast goat herders” is an Eurocentric slur created by less pigmented people who don’t understand things and are quick to disparage others. That’s how they reduced various spiritual traditions on the African continent to “plaything” or “joujou”. Meanwhile they assume some european man in the middle of Rome is the earthly representative of a “Middle East” deity. Their arrogance is only surpassed by their willful
ignorance. The basic tenet of the Middle Eastern god they appropriated is “thou shalt not make images of the deity”, but they paint said deity in their own melanin deficient image.

Nay, the audience were goat herders, farmers, craftsmen, and the ever gullible housewife but the authors were not “Middle East got herders”.

SAYEDADAMADAMS:
This issue is not a complicated matter as some want to make it appear.
1. Deborah did very bad and put herself directly in the line of harm by her wicked swearing against the prophet of Islam SAW.

2. Globally every idiot knows that insulting the Prophet is a no go Area whether in Muslim communities, the West or any part of the world. This stance was made pronounced since Salman Rushdie, the Kano Quran desecration case, Charlie Habdo cartoon etc ....
All Muslims are Unanimous on zero tolerance against insults on the Prophet of Islam SAW.

3. It's puzzling how Deborah who grew up in Kebbi (Tungar Magajiya, Zuru) famous for peaceful co existence amongst all adherents of faith will wake up one day in the course of a mere group discussion and non-challantly dish out insult on the Prophet. Even as she was being cautioned in the background this girl went ahead to post the insult.

4. As the outcry began she ought to have apologised or even run away to seek refuge until the matter die down. One must wonder why she did it? Why didn't she withdraw her audio? Why didn't she run away from the school afterwards?
Were some people behind her, encouraging her ? Perhaps with some rewards and promises of protection? Are there no political motives in deliberately stirring this trouble knowing that it's crossing the Red lines in any Muslim community?

5. One is tempted to also Ask, why would that mob take the Law into their hands? Are there Laws against such inciting utterances? Are they implementable? What happened to those who violated the Law (if its in existence) against insulting other people's religion? Are we witnessing a growing trend in insults/desecration with impunity? If Deborah was arrested and handed to Law Enforcement would she be adequately punished?
To this I must point out to the Government's failure in curbing the root causes of religious crisis and stemming things in the bud. The Law Enforcement must be seen as actively protecting everyone and especially ensuring that trouble makers (abusing other peoples religion) are promptly dealt with.

6. One must also Ask if the action of this Mob will serve as an adequate deterent?

To that I must say that mob action is not a desirable action, however I now believe with conviction that no one will try it again. Atleast not while living within the Muslim community or where Muslims live. Even Area boys that don't practice much religion could take her out...
Sokoto don't have a history of religions crisis however she crossed the red line.

7. We have been saying for long that people are confused about their rights and freedoms. It is not freedom of speech to insult another persons religion. Thus the government and the Sultanate after arresting the mob must also come out to condemn any acts of desecration or insults against Islam. It is not okay to insult another persons religion and it's not freedom of speech to do so.

8. It is most unfortunate that it happenned in the first place. The girl must have been on drugs or something to do such a thing in Sokoto. I hope the school authorities and all communities will take precautions, brief new students and migrant communities against inciting trouble. Now after the Hullaboo on the social media for some days...then what?
Deborah indeed killed herself.

This is breathtakingly depraved. I’m speechless!