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IMAliyu:
The two premises are different, we know based on observations, how the universe began and the stages of it's formation.

I think the above and the way the theory is colloquially described leads people to rightly think that “real time” (or as deep sight understands it) is independent of the universe such that “real time” is a sort of receptacle that the universe expands into.
I mostly blame the paucity of language but I also think it’s the scientists fault for not clarifying.

I think a better way to describe it as not as a beginning but as a an initial stage.

e.g. the primeval universe expanded from its initial stage (which could be part of something larger or has its source as something else. Or maybe it has no source. We don’t know.) and that expansion is known as the Big Bang, which gave rise to everything that we know of including time.

Just an idea. What do you think?

LordReed:
The study suggests that the Canaanites the likely forebears of the Hebrew came from Mesopotamia not Egypt. If they were from Egypt then the DNA evidence would link them to Egypt not to Mesopotamia.

DNA evidence is not the end all be all. For instance, some would get dna evidence from Alexandria, founded by the Greeks, to prove that the Ancient Egyptians were white while ignoring the extensive history and geography of the place.

Yes, some even say that the earliest of them came from Ur in Chaldea. But that doesn’t mean their migration didn’t take some of them all the way to Egypt. The place is only a stone’s throw from Egypt. The don’t have to been autochthonous to Egypt for them to have migrated out of it.

Besides, the article does not mention the Hebrews nor insinuate that the Hebrews were or were Canaanites. It just talks about migration into Mesopatamia in the Bronze Age and afterwards.

"The Canaanites, albeit living in different city-states, were culturally and genetically similar," he adds. "In addition, this region has witnessed many later population movements, with people coming from the northeast, from the south, and from the northwest."

LordReed:
I don't say there was no migration, I say the migration wasn't done by the Hebrew. If there was it was done by their cultural forebears and it is not likely from Egypt, more likely from Mesopotamia.

Check this out: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200528115829.htm#:~:text=The%20people%20who%20lived%20in,biblical%20texts%20as%20the%20Canaanites.

The study doesn’t suggest that the Hebrew or people who later referred to themselves as Hebrew did not migrate from and into Egypt. The period covered is the Bronze Age (3300bc - 1200bc) and the exodus would have been close to the tail end of this period at the beginning of the Iron Age ( From what I have found, the period could be between 1200bc - 1194bc when the pharaohs named Seti II and Amenmesse had conflicting claims to the throne and there was turmoil including disease in Egypt) . Also, the area we are talking about is Mesopotamia and migrations into and out of it.
Even if the migrations was done by their forebears, it doesn’t mean it stopped with their forebears.

A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by.

It’s only been two days saith the lord.

MindHacker9009:
What matters is that there was a Greek empire which Israel was part of and that was what influenced the translation of the scriptures to Greek, as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control their empire.
So why is this information a problem for you?

“The power of their intellect through education”. You say that as if it was unique to the ruling class of the Greeks.
Anyway, which Greek empire?

MindHacker9009:
There was a Greek empire which Israel was part of hence the translation of the scriptures to Greek. If you don't agree then show your source of reference as to why you disagree rather than showing your low IQ.

Which Greek empire are you talking about? It’s a pretty simple question. Consult your official Wikipedia from your posts and pick one. My low iq is still stratospheric compared to yours. So, it can go as low as you want, even subzero, and it will still be higher than yours

MindHacker9009:
I have provided a map to show the Greek empire and a reliable reference on the translation of the scriptures to Greek.

Now you are jumping from pillar to post due to your low IQ as you cannot show a reliable reference as to your claim that there was no Greek empire.

There was no Greek Empire per say is what I said. No greek empires per say but different empires headed by Greeks. All you have to do is tell us which one was involved in your assertions instead of making broad claims. I noticed that you avoided showing the “reliable reference” of which empire was responsible or which one claimed Israel when the translations occurred. Stop looking up at my low IQ.

LordReed:
The thing is these are not even remotely contemporary accounts but are recounting by people centuries after the supposed events happened. Without any doubt these are stories that were told and retold so many times that one has to wonder if they actually bear any resemblance to reality given that details would have been undoubtedly altered as the years go by.

Rather we find that the evidence available suggests that the Hebrew people are offshoots of indigenous Canaanite tribes that gained ascendancy within their region. If the was any migration into that region it was not of the Hebrews into that place. It might be that the Hebrews took a ancient cultural tale and adapted it to their their own emergent folklore. You can see it even here in Nigeria where various clans have their own spin on their cultural mythos.

Yes, they are recountings by people centuries after the fact. However, what they are recounting is within the bounds of reason and do not include supernatural claims. Also, the Canaanite recounting also includes claims of people who migrated into the area. If the spins don’t include the supernatural, they could very well contain more than a few nuggets of truth. The yorubas claim they migrated from “Mecca” or the east, and I don’t see why that is farfetched because people have been migrated willingly and often unwillingly since the dawn of time. The igbos claiming to be Jews are another story entirely.

Also, a lot of ancient history is told in mythical fashion so the recounting could be the truth undergirding the fiction. I don’t see why they couldn’t have migrated.

Also, the evidence that Israelites were really canaanites is as valid as the recounting because it is not incontrovertible.

Finally, there could be elements of truth in both. They were canaanites and some later migrated to Egypt and were expelled at a later date.

The Native Americans were forced by some white Americans into difficult migrations within recent memory.

MindHacker9009:
Since you have a low IQ, I will educate you.

The map of the Greek Empire shows that Israel was part of the Greek Empire in 323 BC meaning Greek was the common language in the regions they occupied.

The Encyclopædia Britannica is a reliable source of reference on the Septuagint.
Septuagint, abbreviation LXX, the earliest extant Greek translation of the Old Testament from the original Hebrew. The Septuagint was presumably made for the Jewish community in Egypt when Greek was the common language throughout the region. Analysis of the language has established that the Torah, or Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament), was translated near the middle of the 3rd century bce and that the rest of the Old Testament was translated in the 2nd century bce.

The name Septuagint (from the Latin septuaginta, “70”) was derived later from the legend that there were 72 translators, 6 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, who worked independently to translate the whole and ultimately produced identical versions. Another legend holds that the translators were sent to Alexandria by Eleazar, the chief priest at Jerusalem, at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 bce), though its source, the Letter of Aristeas, is unreliable. Despite the tradition that it was perfectly translated, there are large differences in style and usage between the Septuagint’s translation of the Torah and its translations of the later books in the Old Testament. In the 3rd century ce Origen attempted to clear up copyists’ errors that had crept into the text of the Septuagint, which by then varied widely from copy to copy, and a number of other scholars consulted the Hebrew texts in order to make the Septuagint more accurate.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Septuagint

Look at you learning!!! I’m so proud of you. Now compare the above with the following. However, you still aren’t specific about the Greek empire you’re talking about.

MindHacker9009:
And it does go further back to the Medo Persia empire which occupied Macedonian. The Medo Persia empire were the ones that conquered Babylon, they introduced a universal currency and taxation.
The king of Macedonian united Greece in 359 BC later his son Alexander The Great conquered the Medo Persian empire occupying Israel. Israel was now occupied by the Greek empire hence the Greek translation of the scriptures as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control all their empire.
Then in 168 BC the Romans conquered the Greek empire and incorporated the Greek empire into the Roman empire and the Roman system is what most of the world's system today including the EU is still based on.

LordReed:
No garden of Eden, no Noah's ark, no sign of people that lived up to 900years, no sign of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, no ark of the covenant or the original tablets on which the so called 10 commandments were written on, no sign that the king Solomon was actually as prosperous as described and so on. You have to wonder at the dearth of all these.

Ancient ethnographers got a story from the Egyptian priesthood that the "exodus" did happen. Of course, not like the magical story that the hebrew priesthood concucted, but a totally believable tale of the journey of exiles from Egypt. Tacitus tells us that Moses followed a herd of wild asses who led him and his tired people to water in the desert, while Diodorus states that in the Jerusalem Temple, Antiochus Epiphanes (Hey MindHacker9009, this guy is from the Seleucid empire) found an image carved into stone, of a bearded man—Moses—seated on an ass. There was no image of god in the temple because according to them, Moses did not believe in any god except the personification of the heavens, which is what all theology is based on by the way. e.g. Jesus was "born" on December 25 because the winter solstice is the natal day of the sun god. And there is a child bearing virgin

If you combine the above with the fact that all priesthoods are based on lies and deception, you could conclude that Moses was a real priest from Egypt at the head of the exiled people who instituted the priesthood (as seen in Leviticus) and created the system of lies that Judaism, and eventually, that Christianity is based on. Also, note that the priesthood of those days would have been versed in both the sacred and the profane. Part of the profane being the prevention of diseases. According to the ethnographers, disease was one of the reasons the jews were expelled from Egypt, and that explains all the disease prevention "laws" in the Old Testament.

MindHacker9009:
If you can reason you'll notice that I did not call Wikipedia my official source but I did use it as a quick source of reference.

Show your official source that there was no Greek Empire? Instead you result to insults to show how low your IQ is.

If you know what research is then you'll know you need to back up your claim with reference to the source of your information.

No matter how low my IQ is, it is still stratospheric compared to yours.
Anyway, I think you should be the one showing us the Greek empire that occupied Israel and produced the Septuagint. I repeat there was no Greek Empire per say, so which specific empire are you referring to?

You can’t just conflate the acts of the Ptolemies and the Seleucids under “Greek Empire”.

Dtruthspeaker:
Huh! This is too easy na. I thought you guys have upgraded to something stimulating that would have even made me lose today.

Well, no wahala, you guys do not have any valid argument before, but I am just waiting, maybe there might be a person who can validly prove your "Darwinian Lie"

Ah, the “Darwinian lie”. Meanwhile, they drop dead from malaria.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/malaria-mosquitoes-evolving

MindHacker9009:
Where is your official source that there was no Greek Empire?

Here is my source that a Greek empire did exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Empire

“Official source”. Then he posts Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a repository of information not the source.
Regardless, the information on your “official source” supports what I said.

In the Hellenistic period, Greek Empire can refer to any individual or all successor states of the Diadochi:

Ptolemaic dynasty
Seleucid dynasty
Antigonid dynasty
Greco-Bactrian Kingdom
Indo-Greek Kingdom

If you knew how to reason or perform research, you would point out which “greek empire” did the things you claim.

MindHacker9009:
Also show your official source that the Romans did not create the character of Jesus Christ we have today?

Right after you show me the official source that the Jews did not create the god you believe in.

MindHacker9009:
And it does go further back to the Medo Persia empire that conquered Babylon, they introduced a universal currency and taxation.
The king of Macedonian united Greece in 359 BC later his son Alexander The Great conquered the Medo Persian empire occupying Israel. Israel was now occupied by the Greek empire hence the Greek translation of the scriptures as the Greeks used the power of their intellect through education to control all their empire.
Then in 168 BC the Romans conquered the Greek empire and incorporated the Greek empire into the Roman empire and the Roman system is what most of the world's system today including the EU is still based on.

You need to read more and speak less. Also, stop relying solely on YouTube.

E.g. there was no “Greek Empire” per say. Alexander’s generals carved up the conquered territories resulting in empires such as the Ptolemaic and the Seleucid.
It was the Ptolemaics of Egypt who had the Jewish works and other cultural works translated into Greek. Also, the story of the incarnation of the sun goes further back in time to Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt and probably India. So, the Greek versions of both the stories of the Old Testament and the works that became the gospels were in existence before the Romans got there. If the Romans did anything, it would be editing the gospels to support the divinity of Vespasian/Titus not wholly inventing Jesus and the gospels.

Also, the “Roman system” is so broad a definition that you have to be specific. For example the Roman theological system is the basis for Christianity and even Islam. Christianity gained ground as the state religion of the Romans after all, and Islam evolved out of the Arian controversy of “triune god or unitary god”.

So, what part of the “Roman system” is the EU based on?

Dtruthspeaker:
You Fall Twice Here!

1) (Them Say) Hearsay Evidence!

2) Fallabilty of "Argumentum invensionis"- You say it is True because it is known he makes things (AND THIS IS THE TRAP THEY HAVE BEEN PLANNING TO SPIN ALL ALONG, IN CREATING AND CREATING THINGS, SO THAT YOU WOULD BUY THEIR RATSHIT EXACTLY AS YOU HAVE SO BOUGHT AND CONSUMED!

BOTH ARE INVALID! GO FIND A PROPER PROOF OF TRUTH IF YOU CAN.

MEANWHILE, NONE OF YOU ARE REBUTTING MY ASSERTION! YOU HAVE ALL RUN AWAY! WHICH IS VERY GOOD FOR ME, FOR I WIN AND NONE OF YOU CAN ANSWER!

You’ve definitely won whatever competition you think you’re in.

That’s nothing op. There is an alien spacecraft inside Zuma Rock.

Dtruthspeaker:
A Christian would have said

Scientist: “Okay, let's look at evolution from a creationist viewpoint

Christian: Objection! The accurate question is let us look at how this world began, as far as is possible.

Scientists: can't do that, I'll be Fired!

Christian: I thought "Science" means "To know"?

Scientists: well, I don't want to know. I just want to be the one to tell the stories as my employers have directed.

Christian: then there is no "let's look" but a "hey, hear what my employers say I should tell you", which you can do to the plants in your house.

The rabid imagination of the intellectually moribund.

Meanwhile in saner climes:
With greatly improved infrared resolution and sensitivity, it will view objects too old and distant for Hubble—some up to 100 times fainter.[18][19][20] This is expected to enable a broad range of investigations across the fields of astronomy and cosmology, such as observations of first stars and the formation of the first galaxies, as well as detailed atmospheric characterization of potentially habitable exoplanets.
https://www.google.com/search?q=james+webb+telescope&client=safari&prmd=niv&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjko_GgkNz2AhWZnWoFHcSYAtsQ_AUIFCgA&biw=414&bih=714&dpr=2

sukkot:
alright bro you are done

No, your mother is done. I’ll send her home in a few.

sukkot:
just go repent and stop scamming poor people again. that thing is annoying. you drive a car while all the congregation walk to church. you pastors are heartless. and you still collect the little they have

Your mother and the rest of my hoes are all members of my Phantom Church of The Desired. I can’t leave them out in the spiritual super duper wilderness because the Devil will get them. They are my flock and I am their randy Shepherd.

sukkot:
nigga that shit wasnt no sarcasm. you are just a thieving 419 scammer pastor.

Yes, I’m a pastor just like COVID never existed and 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. After laying my p!mp hand on your mother, I laid my rod of anointing on her.

sukkot:
nigga yo ass deleted that post because you were ashamed of what you had bcome in life. a scamming mouth breathing knuckle dragging thieving pastor. you better go repent. silly ass mahfukas

Now, go through the rest of my posts since you’re already on my page and figure out the sarcasm. Let me help you out, the only thing lower than a pastor is a sukkot.

You think I share your demented beliefs that lead to brain dead posts like the OP?

sukkot:
nigga that wasnt no sarcasm. thats why you deleted the post. knuckle dragging mouth breathing ass niggas .

I changed the post because I don’t want to talk like some hood rat like you do.

Your mother will pay for this.

sukkot:
hehe says the nigga who says pastors are not scammers. that pretty much summarises who you are

https://www.nairaland.com/6530028/pastors-not-scammers

Simpleton like you can’t figure out sarcasm. Let me help you out Einstein.
Sarcasm:
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

sukkot:
hehe whats your point doe brah ? let a pim-p know where the shoe hurts so i can resize it for ya

Oh, we are talking that p!mp game. That’s interesting because I had your mother out on the stroll last night. The hoe wanted to go home early because of blood clot and shit but I smacked the bitch with my left slipper and reminded her who she works for.

sukkot:
oh and during the whole covid thang the place with the biggest covid vaccine office was that ajah area. the lekki and sangotedo axis. and what do you know ? it has become the HIV and AIDS capital of nigeria . COINCIDENCE ?

Yes, coincidence. But since your mother took the vaccine, I’ll make sure my hoe go get tested. I don’t want her to have HIV, Blood Clots, and Shit. Bad for my business.

sukkot:
RUSSIA ALONE HAS LOST 16000 MEN AND OVER 500 TANKS. if thats not the bloodiest war since ww2 i dont know what is. am sure ukraine has lost close to 40,000.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgPdTr1mtgg

Stupid bastards everywhere going on YouTube and believing every stupid things there is except reality.

Get off the internet and go buy your silly mother some Pepsi Bismol and blood thinners to resolve her blood clot and shit.

MindHacker9009:
You will need to ask yourself the meaning of research by the world's renowned Bible scholars and what purpose is a research for.
The youtube video documentary is the findings from a critical research by the world's renowned Bible scholars going outside the restrictions of mainstream religious institutions using official Roman historical documents and is not based on belief.

After watching such a video based on their findings it is very evident that Jesus was a character created by the Romans can anyone here come up with a better research with official historical records dating back around 2000 years ago other than the New Testament all their knowledge of Jesus is base on and some other religious groups they have read about.

What other materials or sources did you analyze to get to the conclusion that the documentary is totally accurate. You called them world renowned Bible scholars, but other world renowned Bible scholars disagree with them. So, who cares about world renown? It should be about the accuracy of their claims.

MindHacker9009:
Very good point: "original tablets on which the so called 10 commandments were written on."
And was written by GOD HIMSELF.
Surely these original tablets should be available today.

You post endlessly about your belief that Jesus was created by Romans when he probably wasn’t just because you uncritically imbibed everything in the Caesar’s messiahs video. Maybe you should learn to think critically and read widely before making your assertions. A little critical thinking would lead to the realization that if the Jesus story was cooked up( regardless if it was by the Romans or Therapeutae of Alexandria), there is no reason to accept that the god who gave commandments wasn’t cooked up either.

No commandments was written by GOD HIMSELF because God only speaks through the mouths of men. The day god speaks for himself is the day the stars fall onto the earth. i.e. Never

Minos is said to have received his laws from Zeus but you don’t believe that.

Lycurgus is said to have received his laws from Apollo but you don’t believe that.

Orunmila is said to have received his laws from Eledumare but you don’t believe that.

Moses is said to have received his laws from Yahweh. That you believe.

Maybe he was a victim of the bloodbath.

@Seun
Maybe you need to start charging for covert advertising like the op. I don’t see why they shouldn’t pay normal rate like other businesses when the advertised program will generate revenue.

Amen!

HISSCRIBE1995:
This is self -contradictory sir .
These names you mentioned could as well find who to blame for whatever accusation you have against them -they too would definitely find some persons in their early years who they perceive as the villains of their time , whose actions we could as well say were the causes of whatever aberrations you nailed on them .

They would be wrong because they are the villains that created the situation. Also, unlike Naira Marley, they were the stewards of the state not entertainers influenced by the society they created.

HISSCRIBE1995:
So these individuals would end up as you say being classified among the symptoms and not cause or causes

No, they are the causes not the symptom. They were amongst the deleterious line of leaders that the country has been burdened with and Naira Marley is not.

HISSCRIBE1995:
But if you think that those should be blamed for what ever wrong you claimed they did then I think it would be wise not to "completely" exonerate naira Marley from the cause of what we're discussing about .

I’m not “claiming” they did anything wrong when It is obvious that they were horrible stewards of the country. Naira Marley has never been in charge of any institution, made any decree, or laws. He is the product of the society headed by theses corrupt characters who were irredeemable corrupt before Naira Marley’s 1991 birth.

HISSCRIBE1995:
Yeah .otherwise your statement would end up being a paradox.

No it is not.

HISSCRIBE1995:
Many would also come in the future with different sordid innovations and will seek someone who lived in the past to tag as the cause of whatever they did and them -symptoms as you said .
Everyone would end up being symptoms and not cause.

You blame the people in charge based on their ability to influence and direct the cause of society. You can’t blame an entertainer who is not charged with creating a progressive society. You blame the ones who are in charge of the government apparatus. e.g. Dino Melanie cannot blame the people in the past for his sordid innovations because he became part of the ruling class that is supposed to steer society in proper manner, so he is a cause not a symptom.

HISSCRIBE1995:
Maybe you are right.
Satan would end up being the ultimate cause while others would be symptoms .
No man can self-generate godliness or iniquity , man is a receptive ,and a Dependant being . he is a vessel and medium of manifestion for various spiritual being many of whose impact ,influence,and dominion over his life are non- cognizant to his carnal mind .
He is a victim not the real culprit .
But to be a victim is a matter of choice
Many don't know that they are being victimized they thought they're living their lives but nah! They're getting abused and they think it pleasurable.

I have even stated these things up there in the post but I think you weren't mindful of them .
your mind was drafted to blaming men ,while dodging the real culprit who is Satan .

He influences men as God does
Nevertheless humans share blame and are registered for judgement.

All of these is just nonsense. However, look in the mirror and look at your fellow Christians for people who think their abuse is pleasurable.

Again!