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Gotocourt:Nonsense and eegridient! 🥱🥱🥱🥱 When someone defrauds your brother or sister, or even your own daughter, tell them to follow your direction there. 🥱🥱🥱 |
DyshApp:. The courts can annul a union built on fraud. If he lied about his age, care to wonder what else he could have lied about, like say another family, two or more? He might have spent much of his younger years in prison, and now looking for a woman to take care of him in his old age. I would recommend an immediate divorce before you fall any deeper down that rabbit hole. You already seem to be blaming yourself for his lies... What next? 🥱🥱🥱 |
stanvesco:Whatever stress you are being subjected to there is not common to us all. Keep that in mind always! 🥱🥱 |
honesttalk21:Again, Moses experienced what he believed was demonic...the attempts to connect that experience to Moses and then the God of Israel is pointless. 🥱🥱🥱 |
honesttalk21:1. I am not here to establish credibility, but to point out a glaring fact, which is that the claims in the Quran are in error in suggesting links from what Mohammed encountered to that presented in either the Torah or the Gospels. 🥱🥱 2. It does to a Faithful God— YHWH— whose actions and responses, according to Him, are literally as stipulated by His Law. Even Jesus Christ of Israel — Son of YHWH— made the same proclaimation when He is recorded in the Gospels to have said that He does only that which He sees His Father — YHWH— do, suggesting He is restricted He is also restricted to doing only that which is according to YHWH in the Land and His own Nation. 🥱🥱 3. Again, the claim is contained in your Quran that there is some sort of link between what Mohammed encountered and that which pertains only to the Israelites and hence the Torah. And the fact is clear that there is no connection whatsoever between those false claims and the Torah or the Gospels. 🥱🥱 4. I am not trying to digest emotions here, but instead pointing out that we cannot sensibly draw a parallel between that which was stipulated to happen only to righteous men and women/prophets of a particular bloodline, with something someone from a completely removed era, bloodline, and time claimed he experienced. 🥱🥱 5. They do exactly that since your initial rebuttal was that the scriptures had been corrupted from a point in time. The Dead Sea Scrolls/manuscripts came from before that point and do not show any connection between Gabriel and Mohammed, nor do they reveal any connection between Gabriel and non-Israelites who had no way of obtaining righteousness to begin with— the only standard of righteousness was given only to the Israelites by YHWH. 🥱🥱 6. Deuteronomy 13 and James 3 vs 17 have absolutely nothing to do with any of what I posited there. 🥱🥱 |
essentialone:Womb man... a man with a womb.🥱🥱🥱 |
Nefort:Millions of married men and women die similar deaths each year. Why? Because marriage does not cure loneliness, neither does marriage guarantee that one will be surrounded by loved ones at point of death. Worse, many meet their death at the hands of loved ones. 🥱🥱 |
Jakarta:Never said you can't comment...simply indicating your comments don't give you right to police the need others have to vent. 🥱🥱🥱 |
Jakarta:Stop police people's right to vent.😩😩 Let him vent...🥱🥱 |
honesttalk21:1. Terror is what Mohammed described in detail, not fear. I am not really worried about that aspect. What bothers me is the comparison being made between a non-israelite clearly driven by his lust for worldly possessions to righteous Israelites who were chosen as prophets as a result of the works done in obedience to the Laws of YHWH. It is just completely off. 🥱🥱 2. Waraqah did not recognize anything. According to Scripture, Angels who appeared to the Righteous men and women or Prophets of Israel did so because they were blessed by YHWH -- God of Israel. Demons((Also a type of angels were sent to carry out God's wrath) were senf to those cursed by God of Israel...e.g. Saul. 🥱🥱 2. Gabriel showed up after the Jewish subsection of Israel were taken into captivity, this occured after the original nation of Israel has been divided into tow ans the second nation of Israel destroyed/taken over by the Assyrians. ![]() Waraqah's claim that Gabriel showed up to Moses is false as no pattern suggested that Gabriel was in the picture at that time. He may have read a rabbinic opinion piece which he then used as backup for his claim but any one who understood well the law understood that no man is to add to or remove from that which is written. 🥱🥱🥱 3. Was the dead sea scrolls/manuscripts corrupted? Yes/no? I ask because absolutely nothing in the dead sea scrolls support the claims made even here in your Quran about Gabriel visiting Moses. 🥱🥱 4. Wrong! Mohammed's claims regarding his encounter are not backed by any part of the Torah or InJeel. That much is clear. . 🥱🥱 Also, it remains that the fact that third-parties had to weigh in as far a.wthe identity of whatever it was that Mohammed had encountered leaves like wondering if Mohammed may have been better off believing it was indeed a demon that he encountered.🥱🥱 |
honesttalk21 post=138209323✓ [size=8pt:1. We know that Gabriel did not present himself before Moses, therefore whoever it was that revealed the Quran to Mohammed could not have been the same Gabriel of the Torah. Additionally, Gabriel of the Torah was a messenger of the God of Israel to the righteous of Israel and much of his appearance linked to their time in captivity. .there is no mention of him ever appearing before non-israelites. Mohammed was a non-israelite. Notice how Kadijat's cousin misses out yet another important clue. 🥱🥱 2. If Mohammad has claimed it was some random angel, there wouldn't have been a problem. But he linked his sighting to the Torah and the InJeel, books that present patterns of action and behavior. And there in lies the many problems with his claims and here we are only debating his claim that not only did he encounter an angel, he supposedly encountered the very same angel who is never reported in the Torah to have never in fact shown up to Moses. 🥱🥱 3. Like I tell even the Christians in this, religious blindness ain't gonna make the obvious issues disappear into thin air. What we have here is a significant blunder made by Mohammed in asserting a connection between whatever it was he encountered and that contained in the Torah. 🥱🥱🥱 |
honesttalk21:1. All those men you described were of the very same bloodline that was named by YHWH and none of them confused the sudden appearance with a demon nor described the experience as terrifying. Mohammed was not of the named bloodline and he was also certain his experience was demonic -- of terror. 🥱🥱 2. Unfortunately,Waraqah missed the pattern by many miles. The Torah never claims Gabriel appeared before Moses. The suggestion he quoted to Mohamed instead comes from rabbinic writings which are more like opinion pieces --- lies-- and not much else..🥱🥱 3. Later interpretations meaning the scrolls themselves have no problems, right? The dead sea scrolls existed about 700 years before Mohammed and since he conveniently affirmed Scriptures that existed before his time,that means that Mohammed has no qualms with those scrolls, right? 🥱🥱🥱 |
AntiChristian:1. That is the problem.... different messages for different people...it does not work at all because both the Torah and the InJeel are directed at the same people -- the same bloodline. The only difference is the Kingdom/nation they point to. Other than that, even Jesus Christ of Israel is written to have said that in His own Kingdom, He would only do WHATSOEVER He sees His Father do implying there will be no difference as far as the character abd conduct of God in both nations. 🥱🥱🥱 2. Oh, how convenient! You mentioned that Mohammed got the idea that the demon that fell upon him from a supposed Christian scholar implying Mohammed had no issue with the Torah and InJeel as it existed at that point in time ... More than 500 years after the fall of Jerusalem in the first century. Does this mean that you, in fact, believe Mohammed, by accepting data culled from entries in these corrupted texts made a serious error then? 🥱🥱 You claim that the texts were corrupted after the fall of Jerusalem. But we have today the dead sea scrolls which date back to a period about 200 years of there about before the fall of Jerusalem. So, I guess I should ask if the dead sea scrolls are also corrupted for your Islam? 🥱🥱 It is funny how you are able to quote without qualms from the supposedly corrupted texts whenever you feel it benefits your argument to, but are quick to cast it down as corrupted text the moment it is used to reveal the falsehoods in your claims. 🥱🥱 |
AntiChristian:We know from the account in Luke that the Angel's name was Gabriel, though. 🥱🥱🥱 2. Wrong! There was no Gabriel who showed up to Mohammed. Why? Because according to Mohammed, what he experienced was demoni -- not angelic; Second, there was never a Gabriel who appeared before Moses. 🥱🥱 |
AntiChristian:1. Indeed! Angels showed up offering peace and joy to those to while they brought good tidings, but they came with a sword and misery to those who were cursed by the YHWH of Israel. 🥱 2. The answer is right there in the context of the passage you posted. she was confused about the greeting she got from the angel... Insinuating she was highly favored. 🥱🥱🥱 |
AntiChristian:So, Mohammed did not figure out that this Waraqa ibn Nawfal was himself a fraud since Gabriel never appeared to Moses— there is no record of this ever taking place in all of the Torah. (The commentary—opinion piece— that supposedly links Gabriel to Moses instead comes from rabbinic writings, which any learned Israelite Scholar does not hold value above that which is detailed in the Torah, nor does it add or remove from it.)🥱🥱🥱 2. He confirmed a falsehood? OK... now does not make sense of any kind. A falsehood cannot be confirmed as a truth.😣😣😣😣😣 |
stanvesco:1. Stop making nonsense up for the sake of it. I have seen Trump in person, and I did not see him as a demon or a huge arse being tormenting me on any level. 🥱🥱🥱 2. Yes, I would act like it is no big deal because it really wasn't when it happened. 🥱🥱 3. Nonsense! 🥱🥱 By the way, the English translations of the quran and its numerous Hadiths have been available online for you to read and learn of your own. What is keeping you from doing that even now so you stop with the ignorant retorts? 🥱🥱🥱 |
stanvesco:Wrong! According to the quran of the Moslems, Mohammed never claimed that whatever it was that showed up to him announced itself to him by any name. As a matter of fact, Mohammed was convinced he saw a demon; it took his first wife saying something like, "No, it could not have been a demon, but an angel!"... and then his wife's cousin further convincing him with, "Yes, it had to be angel and the particular angel who visited Moses called Gabriel..." before Mohammed then began claiming also that it was an angel and the angel Gabriel, too. 🥱🥱 Of course, the joke is that Gabriel never visited Moses.... the commentaries/opinions of men that suggested he did came instead from rabbinic traditions, which have no place in the Torah or the Gospels. 🥱🥱 |
honesttalk21:Stop twisiting yourself around in knots. Your book reveals that claim that it had to have been an angel and Gabriel at that came, not from Mohammed, but third parties whom your quran never stated had had the same experience before that, or encountered the same angel before that point in time. 🥱🥱🥱 |
Akir2025:Mohammed was initially sure he encountered a demon. Then his wife, Khadijah, suggested that it may have been an angel instead. Afterwards, his wife's cousin gave him the name "Jibril" for the name of the suggested angel. Waraqah ibn Nawfal, a Christian cousin of Muhammad's wife Khadijah, was the first person to insist that the angel Gabriel (Namus) visited Muhammad, recognizing it as the same divine messenger who appeared to Moses, confirming Muhammad's prophetic role after his first fearful revelation in the cave.The problem with the claims of those who gave him the advice is two-fold; 1) Mohammed, who had the encounter, had his mind made up, based on his experience that what he had encountered had to be a demon. The wife and her cousin never had the same or similar encounters, but presented themselves as experts on not just angels but the identity of angels... all this merely from the accounts given them by mohammed who was instead certain it had to be a demon. 🥱🥱🥱 2) Gabriel is never written to have shown up to Moses at any point in time. As a matter of fact, Gabriel only showed up after the Israelites moved into the land of Israel... a place where Moses was never able to set foot in. This claim linking Gabriel to Moses is instead linked to commentaries made in rabbinic tradition by individuals who had no office giving them by the YHWH of the Israelites. Basically, it is a lie! 🥱🥱🥱 |
Nefort:Isn't this thought of yours based on the erroneous delusion that a man with a wife(or wives) and children couldn't end up meeting such an end as the man in the OP? 🥱🥱 |
armyofone:I only asked a question. 😁😁 I noticed there are folks on here to take every opportunity to fill us in on details of their private lives, sometimes to suggest to us that they are some what better than the unfortunates in the op. 🥱 This dude set himself up as someone who is saved from similar fate by his rushing of his marriage. 😂😂😂 |
This is sad! 😩😩😩 |
Eniitankorede:Huh? Where did you get that from? Why would He not have a Father if It is clearly written of Him in the Gospels that He is the Son of God? ![]() 2. The prophesy regarding the person of Jesus Christ of Israel declared He would be both a child of David and a Son of God -- an eternal King over the throne of Israel. 🥱🥱🥱 His mother, Mary, was a descendant of David, and that in turn makes him, Jesus Christ of Israel, a Son of David. 🥱🥱 If this does not help, I don't know how else to help you. 3. 😕 |
kingthreat:Why should his children be blamed if the man didn't bother building an emotional connection with him? Same with his family? Family no be for free abeg... People need to learn that they can only get back from it(or at least demand) ... From family....only that which they willingly invest into it. 🥱🥱 |
vybzkartel:If the husband wishes to be done with the marriage, he is will in his rights as an individual to do so without needing to check with opinion of others. The same way marriage was made for individuals to decide for themselves is the same was divorce is. If you are done with a relationship, there is no need to continue to drag your unhappiness on for longer than you should. Seek divorce and begin healing from whatever it was that led to your unhappiness so you can become a better person after it all. 🥱🥱🥱 |
thomas2024:No female will give you the truth but you are sure without quering any female that all females remember the information vividly. Some of you are just certifiable...🥱🥱 |
bukatyne:Huh? Folks who lose memory of unnecessary things are not really unlucky... They are better than those who carry what are regrets and sadness everywhere with them. 🥱🥱 |
Iamblessed88:This is coming from someone whose very own culture literally allowed, for the longest period, the abandonment of women(and their children) who failed to birth male children, right? ![]() |
AntiChristian:1. Mohammed was a slave owner. To this very day, much of the Islamic world continues to enslave those whom they consider beneath them — we are talking of over 1000 years of slavery tradition, practised to this very day in much of the Islamic world. Yet you think calling me a liar will make all that vanish into thin air? 🥱🥱🥱 2. Yes, much like Mohammed himself did throughout his lifetime as he went around plundering and pillaging. 3. According to the Book, Samson's major deal was the destruction of the Philistines, who came harassing and bullying his people in his own land of Israel. I am not certain why you think twisting the story into what it ain't would somehow help drive your lies home. Philistine history centers on a Sea Peoples group from the Aegean (likely Crete) who settled the southern Canaanite coast around 1200 BCE, forming a five-city league (Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath, Ekron) and becoming Israel's major Iron Age rivals, known for their distinct culture, early iron use, and eventual assimilation into Assyrian and Babylonian empires by the 6th century BCE. They were a significant, distinct power in ancient Levant for centuries, blending Aegean origins with local Canaanite culture before disappearing as a people.Philistinian history has it that they came pillaging and plundering, but were driven out by people like Samson from the land. 🥱🥱🥱 4. These are worthless stories you tell, given what is in fact written in your Quran and your Hadiths as well, which detail a belief based on the ideas and whims of a mere man who had nothing factual to state on any issues. |
victorVIC1:That is precisely why I asked the question that I did. But I see you seem more concerned about defending your stance than comprehending a simple sentence, a question. ![]() |
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. The Qur’an mushaf was compiled under Uthman, and the qira’at (recitation styles) are simply minor variations in pronunciation, not fundamentally different beliefs. Just because someone disagrees with your theology doesn’t mean they’re being deceptive; it’s the evidence and context that truly shape what’s considered true.
