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Michael547:
■ So is Michael Jackson in heaven now?

Well, that depends on the heaven in question. There are many heavens defined by the gods of men who rule over adherents of the religions of Christianity, Islam, and so on. And then there is the Kingdom of God which belongs to Jesus Christ which He proclaimed will be closed to admission until after He had returned and judged all the sheep and goats who are citizens of the Kingdom of God — born-agains.

While Micheal could not be in Jesus Christ's heaven at all, he could be in any of the many others out there.

Starzo:
■ Starting from this very moment,try to start doing something meaningful with your life. Sitting down all day looking for any negative news about a church to jump on is a wasteful way of spending your time on earth

I am happily unemployed by world standards! Have been for many years now. Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him do not Work for food that perishes but instead work for food that endures to eternal life — John 6 vs 25 - 35— and I am glad I obeyed Him. I prefer the kind of work He has me doing right now compared to that which I used to do before which was nothing but suffering. So, stop trying to tempt me into living my life according to the worms in your mind instead.

Now, back to the issue at hand. Again, Which God? Hope you don't mean the same God who referred to these men as thieves who come to steal, to kill, and to destroy His flock - Ezekiel 34 vs 1- 21 & John 10 vs 7 - 16? Christianity is indeed a religion of serious mindfuckery! How can you be for a God whose teachings and commandments you blatantly defy by your every action?

Michael547:
■ So are you saying that with the information we have at hand, Michael Jackson is now in heaven?

Stop going around asking this inane question.

Jesus Christ said of the place of Eternal Damnation aka Hell. It is the same Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 - over which Jesus Christ is King and Judge, and every part of one's body, including hands, eyes, feet, and legs can be thrown into it - Matthew 5 vs 29 - 30 & Matthew 18 vs 8 - 9 & Mark 9 vs 43 - 48. Jesus Christ, when He ascended into Heaven ascended with His entire human body intact— He even had people confirm this before He left. If Jesus Christ could enter into Heaven with all of His body intact, where does your conclusion that those who are children of the devil — born-agains whose father is the devil(they are like demons than angels in their orientation) — cannot enter into Eternal Damnation(Hell) with their human body?

madegreatbygrace:
■ About three weeks before Michael Jackson died and supposedly, having a premonition of his death , he went to meet with the renowned Andrea Crouch.
Right there he preached the gospel to Michael and he received Christ. Rodney Jerkins, who was Michael’s producer at that time and who was a preacher’s son had been trying to get Michael to accept Christ. Rodney narrated these events and the interview can be found on YouTube. On that day, we will know those that really belong to Him.
We should stop posting unverified stuff and I’m not sure if the op himself has seen Michael in hell. What’s more, let’s focus on the task before us, which is reconciling the lost to God through the wonderful message of reconciliation.

See them, psychiatric cases hiding behind religion!

DarrenW2:
■ Do you know what it means to not be accepted by society, or what it means to know that God hates you, and it's not something that can be changed, do you know what it means to not be accepted by your own parents, straight people are lucky, very lucky I wish I am straight, the road to success will be easier, gay people have it harder in life , gay people first have to find peace within themselves and their environment and families , so please I need help , I don't need people to judge me , I've already been judged already, you don't know who I am , you don't know what I've been through so please don't judge me , pls

There is no place where it is written in stone that if society does not accept you, then you are not worth anything. As for your parents, you are not the only one out there with those. When gay people were being persecuted in America, they had nowhere to run to. They had to stand and face the system to carve a place for themselves. They did it not through pity parties but by providing they do have something beneficial to contribute as individuals despite their sexual orientation, something most everyone out there equally has to do if you think about it. Go get help from a psychiatrist for your depression please and stop wallowing in the unnecessaries!

TOPMAN4LIFE:
■ 1 Corinthians 2:14-16 says "But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised".
People like you are always pleased with people that spend their money for Satan through sinful habits like harlotry, prostitution, fornication, adultery, night club and beer drinking etc but sad when people of God spend their money for things of God.
If you don't spend for the work of God, you will surely spend for Satan

Which God? The god(Adeboye) who constantly asks you for your money or the God who never asked you for any of your money at all? Yes, we know that Adeboye is your god. And yes, repeating the stories the man fed to you does not make them less of a lie, and him less of a liar! Even Mohammed claimed he was instructed by God but we all know that is a lie. Stop lying abeg!

ayyoshert:
■ CSR?? As in Corporate Social Responsibility I actually thought that is one Corporate governance principle that is usually adopted by a profit oriented organization, not an NPO, Charitable organization and most especially a religious organization. CSR? Church on its own is supposed to be a charitable association, that is what they should be.

How many churches in Nigeria truly operate as charitable organizations?

Starzo:
■ I know you must be here....every negative news about a church gives you orgasms. Even the positive,you somehow manage to extract negativity with your perverted reasoning. Don't go and do something reasonable with your life, continue roaming social Media all day in search of material to attack the church.... since you have nothing meaningful to do with your life and attacking pastors is your life's calling,I wish you great success in your 'life's calling'

Again, Which God? Hope you don't mean the same God who referred to these men as thieves who come to steal, to kill, and to destroy His flock - Ezekiel 34 vs 1- 21 & John 10 vs 7 - 16? Christianity is indeed a religion of serious mindfuckery! How can you be for a God whose teachings and commandments you blatantly defy by your every action?

Ubenedictus:
■ The bold is exactly the issue, that we are in Christ and in him there is no such thing as "the dead", all who have gone before us in faith are all in him. Hebrews put it more clearly as we been surrounded by such great a cloud of witnesses. Where protestants see "the dead", Catholics, orthodox, ethiopian and assyriain christians (in fact the entire apostolic churches) will tell you that those are simply our brothers in Christ with whom in Christ we have communion as members of the same body.
And this is where there is divergence, the apostolic and ancient churches believe in "the communion of the saints" which means that all who are in Christ alive or in heaven are united together as one body and have communion of care and charity, and the protestants have not developed their theology enough to know that right now as I speak there are elders in heaven offering to God the incense of my prayers and when i invites christians to join me in prayer I may very well invite those in heaven because they are a cloud of witnesses around me.
■ This is something anyone who has an internet connection can investigate, if you hate catholics feel free to insult them and throw their witness away, but that leaves you with every historic and ancient church established by the apostles, why do they all believe this? Investigate it and maybe you'll realise that the term "body of Christ" used in scripture has a deeper and more profound meaning for Christians than your pastors have taught you.

God is God of the Living and not the Dead simply means that the dead in question are those who were able to obtain God's Eternal Life by way of His Law — whether the Law that existed before the Old Law in the case of Noah& Abraham, or those who obtained it via the Old Law of Moses like the many righteous men of Old along with the Prophets, or those who in Jesus Christ became born-again and obtained it as a gift at the gate into the Kingdom of God. God is God of the Living and not the Dead is not an invitation for you or anyone to concern yourself with those who are gone— whether eternal or none eternal. Just as it was against God for Saul to consult dead Samuel so also it is against God even to this day in Jesus Christ for any man in Him to worship to venerate a dead man.

Recall, that Jesus Christ made clear that He would return to then judge the sheep and goats in His Kingdom. Your Communion of Saints rituals are against God who never gave any man the authority to deem saints those whom He has yet to judge as such. Your Communion of Saints ritual violates Jesus Christ's right as King and Judge in the Kingdom of God by conferring sainthood on those whom God has yet to judge. It violates Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God by suggesting men can sit as intermediaries for Him where He has made clear that He alone is head/Master/authority over each and everyone who belongs to Him. It violates the Gospel/Law in the Kingdom of God as it raises some of the citizens of the Kingdom of God — assuming all your so-called saints are genuinely born-again and thus citizens of the Kingdom of God— above others, an act which is against Jesus Christ who instead said that all are equals in the Kingdom of God. I could go on but the long and short of it is that your rituals are of evil and not of God!

3. The Internet is not where you learn the Truth of the God of Isreal — Jesus Christ!

Openlife:
■ OpenLife Nigeria reports that the secretary general of Nigeria witches and wizards, Doctor Okhue Iboi, has died.
OpenLife gathered that he died in the early hours of today, Sunday, May 12, 2024 at his home town in Otuo, Owan East Local Government Area, Edo State. He was 65 years old.
The trado-medical practitioner who was originally born in Okpe, Akoko Edo Local Government Area of Edo State, lived in Lagos, using his herbal skills to administer treatment to patients who go for his service.
In a brief narrative with his wife on Sunday afternoon with Mr. Ayodele Oshikokhai, a Lagos based journalist, Okhue Iboi was said to have taken ill and he was moved down to the village for appropriate medical attention. He was said to have taken injection yesterday {Saturday} after which his condition deteriorated earlier today.
He died thereafter. “He died this morning. He is in mortuary

He healed other people but when it came to it, he couldn't heal himself. He had to be taken to a hospital for his own treatment. Do you see why I dey take vex with our traditional medicine practitioners and there many claims?

DarrenW2:
■ while I was chatting one of my friends from a gay group on Facebook we were planning to hook up , that was before I met my current boyfriend, my sister got suspicious of me and checked my phone and sent screenshots of my chat to our parents, it was one of the worst days of my life, they beat the shit out of me ,soon after my mom started thinking I'm gay , so recently they caught me again despite all the protection and security I have on my phone, they managed to get into it and read my chats with my boyfriend, and when my dad found out he was furious, he threatened my boyfriend and me that he would arrest us and lock us up , because my country is a homophobic country , and the people there are very ignorant, Nigeria is my country, right now I'm contemplating suicide, I would have killed myself already but the fear that my parents would locate my boyfriends whereabouts and do something bad to him, I am currently suffering from depression, I have nothing good going for me currently, I haven't even accepted myself as gay or bi , I hate myself for making my parents feel so bad about their first son , I hate myself, I want to leave this world, 😭😭😭 I need help, any way you can help me please 🥺 , any comment is allowed say what you have in mind but be respectful of course

If you are waiting for someone else to accept you before you accept yourself, that ain't never gonna happen my friend. In this life, you first need to work hard at loving yourself first, then others will either love you too or go fk themselves. (Just be sure not to be some sort of jerkwad or arsehole with excuses.)

So, first things first, you need to accept yourself. You are not going anywhere if you don't do that first. You are gay and that is who you are—no spirits or demons attacking you. Then plan on getting mental health counseling for the depression issue. Talk to your gay friends out there. They might know a good counselor who can help you deal with your depression issues. Your identity issues, if you can resolve that yourself, great, else, get counseling for that as well. As for what to do at this point in your life, you are gay and life is not going to be handed to you on a platter so you should be ready now to step out of yourself and find what you can begin doing. What are your talents? What are you right now good at? Think of how you can improve on them and build something of them. Hit the library or school if you have to, and work hard at whatever it is you decide to do.

Konquest:
■ Your first paragraph is succinctly stated.
If you can remember, back in the early 1990s, there was this standoff between U.S. Federal Agents and members of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas who were all armed to the teeth. They refused to surrender and when troops moved in, gun shots got fired from all sides and this was shown live on CNN and select cable TV stations.
The bolded last paragraph of yours really cracked me up right here...
"You would rather lightning strikes you down." I know you're speaking metaphorically though... but you sounded funny with that lightning analogy.
■ You know what? I've actually been struck by some lightning while in my Uni days. I felt the electric shock discharge into my body from my head after a bright flash of white light struck overhead when it had just started drizzling. "I had to run right back into my flat with the speed of Ben Johnson on anabolic steroids." The cosmic forces seemed to have been in alignment with me that thundery, wet evening. It was just so surreal that I survived the situation.

1. Maintain that religion is not what any sane individual would dabble in!

2. Yikes!

Peopleofthebook:
■ Yes, but when you call God's name wrongly or say His name abbreviated, then you possibly are pandering towards falsehood. The Most High's name isn't a generic title as in Lord or God, neither is it backed into abbreviations as in YHWH. If anyone's referring to the the God of Isreal; then His name is Yahuwah/Yahuah. While the only one begotten of the Father is Yahushua not iesus or issus or jesus that Christians generally accept as Jesus christ - the white Greek god juxtaposed to perpetuate the great deception. Iesus, issus chraestus, jesus christ isn't Yahushua!
■ Apparently, your knowledge of whom you call 'God' or His Son is wack. Looks to me you are a JW, very well indoctrinated by the elders and the watchtower organisation. Not too bad cos as long as you are promoting and contributing to false worship by acknowledging and adopting false or strange name(s);
■ then you are useful to the whole scheme of the great deception. Did you know the deception is almost 400 years old? Yes, the plot is that thick and multitudes have been fully conditioned and so cannot break away even if the truth stared at them in the face. Quite sad!
■ John 8:32
... you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

1. I am at least assuming you stick to that which is written in Scripture, right? Please show us where in Scripture that claim you made— in bold and in red— comes from. Exactly where in all of Scripture did God state that if you so much mispronounce His name or say the wrong name, not only are you not referring to Him but pandering towards falsehood?

2. I am not a Christian and I am equally anti-Religion so all this sounds a lot like gobbledegook to me.

3. What great deception is that one again?

4. You do understand that the moment you resort to quoting verses out of context you reveal yourself to be cut of the same cloth as the very ones you cast down, the JWs for example who do the same thing.

Konquest:
■ To be honest... It's ridiculous like you said but then again, there's a thought process behind this.
Well publicized, credible research by Sociologists in the U.S. actually shows that MOST folks who go to church do so because of the communalism it brings... Or to put it another way the social network and friendships that exist at the church level. A vast number would have stayed back at home to do their worship or bible studies but they choose to go out because the human animal is a social creature and ALSO a creature of habit.
■ So, folks have to be be CLEARLY intentional if they want to break that social routine or rut of being subservient to one so-called religious head or a GO who you know deep down in your subconscious that you are better than in terms of balance and knowledge.

It is the same reason people join cults and gangs. Does not make it an OK reason or thing to do.

2. I couldn't even get myself to submit to an incompetent boss. Na GO wey I know say dey scam me live I go come dey bow to? I would rather lightning strike me down if that ever happened!

FILEBE:
■ I think I am beginning to understand you. No worry, no ask .
■ God is Gof of all. God of Abraham, God of Adam,God of Eve, whatever God of all! He is God for all and not limited to a person ,tribe or lineage .

So, what you are saying is that He lied when He proclaimed that He is instead God of Israel— Israel His only inheritance in the land of men? I am also understanding that you are one of those who would rather dictate terms to God of Israel than let Him speak for Himself.

P.S. I could try explaining me to you but It would probably take many days for you to get it.

Offpointng:
■ It's rather funny someone like you is accusing me of texting outta ignorance, You?? Omo enjoy. I've got no Time more to waste

Lol...Churchians! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Konquest:
...■ However, there are folks even in churches whose states of awareness might even be higher than their so-called pastors but they have to go to church based on their current levels of awareness and I will not judge them.

I have heard something like this before, and I think it is just as ridiculous even reading this now. How can a human being voluntarily enslave himself under another human whose state of awareness is lower than his? For what purpose or gain or reason is there church attendance?

FILEBE:
.■ Descendants of Jacob , you say?
■ So he isn't your God then

Yes, blood descendants of the man Jacob.

2. Recall that I had that you not worry at all about me earlier.

FILEBE:
■ Aren't you contradicting yourself here ? God of Isreal . God of Jerusalem. God of Arabia.
God of Ethiopia...
■ Well, except you are being sarcastic which I am hinting you are. There are isn't any meaning to saying God of Isreal. .

I don't understand. How in the world is saying "God of Israel" contradictory?

2. YHWH declared Himself God of Israel — God only over the tribe that consists of the descendants of Jacob who is also named Israel — in Scripture. Why does stating this bother you?

Konquest:
■ Hang on... He is NOT "my Adeboye." I'm NOT his member or even an Xtian like I indicated earlier.
■ You seem to have MORE than an extreme disdain for these Pastor folks... You've been flogging them real hard right on this thread.
■ I bet one of them may have dealt heavily with you back in the day in ways that are indescribable. *Smirk* I see your key points in your first paragraph though. I can understand where you're coming from.
■ Last but not least, accountability must be embedded when it comes to the spending of funds in religious institutions to avoid these folks becoming too much of demigods. =>https://www.nairaland.com/8090960/pastor-ebenezer-oduntan-jailed-uk/

1. You did say you have known Adeboye from back in the day, did you not?

2. I absolutely detest the many lies they feed people using the mentions of the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ. If these men never hid these lies behind those mentions, you and I would certainly not be having this conversation at all.

3. Not ever! I really hate the falsehood and the fact that a majority of Nigerians have been rendered fools, afraid of even their shadows, by it.

4. God of Israel, and His Son, Jesus Christ, never sent any followers out to run businesses using their names on this earth. So, the spending should be done according to business regulations. This man's under-handed use of the name of God to deceive his followers into believing that accountability is a sin against the God of Israel is nothing short of evil and that is antiChrist.

Offpointng:
■ You feel like arguing unnecessarily. I told you no call was made for contribution towards any bridge
■ and if your mum knows everything call her and ask her how much her pastor asked her to bring

I am not the one arguing unnecessarily. You are, trying really hard to pass off corporate branding and marketing projects as works of God. Very ridiculous!

and to top it all off, you don't read responses but are all too quick to respond in ignorance.

Offpointng:
■ It's funny how you speak against men of God and think it's something funny Atleast not to Pastor Kumuyi, Pastor Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo

What is instead funny is how a grown individual would swallow lies fed him from another man all because the lie is laced with many mentions of God and Jesus Christ. Very funny indeed when Scripture clearly details that these men you listen to as instead thieves!

Offpointng:
■ Oya go ask ur mama how much she contributed towards the bridge. I'm interested to know.

You no dey read?

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting! Do you wish to claim that the news is false simply on grounds that you never knew of it? 😂😂😂😂 Even my mum who is to this day a deeper life member does not even pretend she knows all that is happening in the church.

2. Yes, and clearly, you mistake corporate events and donations, which pretty much every company out there engages in, mostly for marketing brand improvement purposes, with community programs. Catholic churches are well known for such efforts, even though it has been proven that the majority of the time it has been for dubious purposes.

Eye blind you?

osazsky:
not all

Every single one of them, scammers! Jesus Christ said they are thieves who come to steal, to kill and destroy- John 10 vs 7 - 16

Offpointng:
■ You didn't call him, you got no right to tell him to retire I wonder why y'all got issues with a man that isn't even the reason behind ur generational problems

The man called himself!

Offpointng:
■ Well, until 2021 i use to be a full time member in Deeper life and there was no time a call was made by any district or group pastor to contribute towards a bridge project or anything related to what was done there
■ Besides, our argument was if the church was giving to the community. You got ur answers already but just choose to want to argue to feel right. No man, next time don't contribute to topics outta ignorance

1. Interesting! Do you wish to claim that the news is false simply on grounds that you never knew of it? 😂😂😂😂 Even my mum who is to this day a deeper life member does not even pretend she knows all that is happening in the church.

2. Yes, and clearly, you mistake corporate events and donations, which pretty much every company out there engages in, mostly for marketing brand improvement purposes, with community programs. Catholic churches are well known for such efforts, even though it has been proven that the majority of the time it has been for dubious purposes.

Konquest:
■ Have you ever been a member of his RCCG church in those 40 years for you to have known all these specifics? Surely, there was never anytime he spoke with a gong-ho attitude or condescending manner like this current alleged comments.
■ Out of curiosity, I once listened to series of YouTubes and podcasts done by Ifedayo Olarinde (also known as Daddy Freeze) and another man about why tithes and offerings are an Old Testament thing and not a New Testament thing and these dude were very compelling based on their use of logical reasoning and comparative analysis.

1. I have family and friends who are members of that church actually. But again, the situation here is this. Adeboye has been, for over 40 years, against accountability given he never did see fit to implement these ideas before the request came in from one of the so-called billionaires. Was it an old man going senile for all those 40 years?

2. I don't need podcasts to teach me anything when it comes to Scripture. I base my belief in God on what is written. Your Adeboye and other gods of men have nothing to do with the God of Israel — YHWH — or even His Son, Jesus Christ. Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31 & John 10 vs 7 - 16.

PlasmaTV:
■ Your family members should come and carry you.

The ones wey you list there don carry you finish? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Konquest:
....■Second, though NOT an Xtian church person, I've known Adeboye from back in the day to be a well-read and articulate man who doesn't talk flippantly. So, the alleged comments alluded to him gloating about the financial setbacks or difficulties of some billionaires who are have now left his church is distasteful tbh.
■ I would like to see the YouTube video or audio recording of this Adeboye's published newspaper speech in order to be convinced that he is NOT being misquoted or his comments are NOT being embellished like is common these days in sections of the mainstream media and online platforms due to lack of due diligence or fact-checkings.

Adeboye has been, for over 40 years, against accountability (likely transparency as well) given he never did see fit to implement this before the request came in from any of the so-called billionaires. Was it an old man going senile for all those 40 years?

2. Given his gong-ho stance from about his beginnings where the issue of tithes and offering is concerned, I don't see what you hope to discover that is different from that which his actions have established over the last 40 years of his time in RCCG.

PlasmaTV:
■ You need deliverance and therapy.

Look at this psychiatric patient who is not even aware of the deepness of his delusion! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Goodman247:
Yahoo yahoo pastors too much for Nigeria

All pastors are Yahoo Yahoo! Scammers who hide their schemes behind the mentions of God and Jesus Christ.

Harddiskng:
■ Imagine how many years them monitor this guy. Oyinbo would wait for your crime to be perfected before they would nab you. No amount of turenchi you fit speak

Very patient monkies!