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Solofresh2:
■ Now listen, I am not the churchy or religious type and it seems you know little about life and have no knowledge about esoteric wisdom. The politician you are talking about are humans like you and karma judges you individually. If you as a politician do evil deliberately,have it at the back of your mind that you will die someday and that is when life will pay you back your karma for evil because your soul lives on. Only the body dies. You will reincarnate again to pay for your sins.

But this is clearly a religious idea regarding Karma, so why deny this? What you hold to are religious ideas based on what religion in particular? Buddhism? Hinduism? Which?

Solofresh2:
■ Oga you can only reap what you sow and that is life for you.
■ You can't sow corn and expect bananas. It is not possible. Forget your scripture bla bla
■ You sow evil? You will reap evil

Na lie! That na the fabu wey your elders and church people feed una instead. Look at your political class in Nigeria. What are they reaping? Cause clearly, that formula does not seem to apply to them at all.

2. A farmer will instead tell you that you don't reap corn every time you plant corn. Sometimes you reap nothing, and nothing is not corn.

3. How many of your politicians sowed what you call evil repeat the evil?

Only you can break yourself away from those mental shackles that actually work against you, not for you.

Travicon:
■ I grew up with the definition of man being a spirit living in a body and has a soul. I am now beginning to see that man is a body, soul and spirit. All three must be mentioned with equal importance before we can call it man.
1 Thess 5:23.
Gen 2:6-7
Bible scholars over to you 🙏 🙌

The idea that man is born a spirit is not of Scripture but of the lies of religion, particularly the religion of Christianity. Man was instead created of the physical clay of this earth as explained in Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7. And because man did not obtain Eternal Life(spirit form) before his fall, the man(Adam) was condemned to cease to exist after death in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 24.

Jesus Christ confirmed this Truth of God when in John 3 vs 5-8 He explained that the only life a person obtains when born from his mother's womb is a physical life, of this physical world. Only those who become born-again can obtain a spiritual life by virgin of the gift of eternal life offered by Jesus Christ only to those who become born-again.

lawani:
■ Isn't it obvious that someone who is dishonest and unreliable can not have the same results as someone who is honest?
■ They can not have the same kind of relationships with people for instance and the way they are likely to make money can differ because of that reason. They both can become HNIs because that depends on plan.
■ I don't know if you are measuring only money. Are you?
■ I am surprised you don't know the meaning of good character

There is no truth to that claim. Even among villains, you will find loyalty, friendship, kindness, etc.

2. There is no truth to this claim at all. It is all in our various imaginations. Both those whom we rank as dishonest and those we rank as honest in our minds can enjoy many of the same kinds of relationships with those around them as we do in our own lives.

3. I have not said even a word about money at all.

4. For the most part, I think the meaning we apply to the term "Good character" is mostly subjective from my experience. What many in one particular group or tribe in Nigeria may consider good character may be regarded atrocious by another group in the same Nigeria. So, on the whole, a subjective standard such as that can't possibly be considered a good enough measures of things out in the real world now, can it?

lawani:
■ You can pick names from history to back up your theory. You are insinuating that good character counts for nothing. Isn't that what you are insinuating?

What is "good character"? How do you measure this "good character" or value it? Who or what standard is it weighed against? Look at the North Korea rulers and the people, for instance. How much has "good character" counted towards their karma up there?

lawani:
■ Give real life examples. Don't generalize.
■ What you sow is what you will reap

What do you mean by a real-life example though? Do you expect me to name a particular person and then go ahead and pin just one event from one moment of that person's life as an example or something?

2. Again, what you sow is not what you reap. That has been proven false in so many ways that the saying should only ever be used in a religious context and not as part of reality out in the world outside of religion. Even farmers do not use that statement either because they know and understand that merely planting crops in the field does not provide a guarantee of a harvest come harvest time.

Solofresh2:
Karma is real.Even your Bible says "whatever a man sow,he shall reap" and that alone is an interpretation of karma. Forget the just die for our sin saying. So a man kill his fellow human, are we going to say he is forgiven because Jesus died for our sins?No Life is built on karma

Reaping what one sows in the context of scripture has to do with sin and judgment. Karma has nothing to do with sin, Judgement, or forgiveness of sins. In the world outside of Scripture, a man is not guaranteed to reap what he sows. Many sow worldly kindness only to reap sorrow, some sow worldly corn only to reap nothing at the end of the day, while others sow worldly wisdom only to reap regret. The real world does not function according to Scripture and Scripture does not impose itself on the world outside of Scripture.

Glory018:
Karma is the punishment you must face even though God has forgiven you.
Though it doesn’t apply to all.God might choose not to punish you after he has forgiven you.
The punishment would bring you closer to God and eventually makes you avoid that sin completely
The punishment would taste your faith if you are truly sorry for the sin you committed.
The way you respond to karma would either bring more curses or blessings to you.
In everything glorify the lord and do not curse God.

Stop with the ridiculous lies! God ALWAYS punishes those who are unholy and unrighteous according to His Law. Karma is not God and God does not follow your karmic musings.

soccerlite:
■ Which verse is this?

It is a law that is part of the Old Law of Moses. It has absolutely nothing to do with Karma by the way, except that many a religious person out there can't seem to tell the difference between God's Law which is sort of like the National Constitution of the Nation they live in, and the Karmic ideas that swirl around in the minds of men.

17 “And whoever kills another person must be put to death. - Leviticus 24 vs 17

lawani:
∆ When you do the right thing, how light you feel is some payment which comes immediately. The same is true when you do wrong intentionally.
∆ You reap anything you sow.
∆ Cab you give real examples of wrongdoers that got away with it? Real people.
∆ Then examples of people that incurred shortage as a result of helping someone or doing the right thing. Real examples of people

LOL... How light you feel? Many have, right after doing the so-called right thing been met with feelings of regret. How is that for a reward them?

2. There is no guarantee in life that you will reap what you sow. That particular suggestion that one would always reap what one sows is mostly used by religious minded to pacify themselves in there many disappointments in this life.

3. The world we live in is ruled by exactly many of those people. Nations are built by them, laws enacted and flouted by the very same.. they are everywhere you look. So, let's visit reality in our explanations.

4. Those who incurred shortage fill religious houses to the brim;they took eventually learn the futility of their efforts, that is why many who adopt religion tend to turn vicious after a while.

TheGift:
∆ There is a difference between the last judgement and the consequences of our actions.
If you plant corn you reap corn , wether you are good or evil, that is karma.
∆If you sleep with an infected person you catch an std, that is karma.
∆ You steal get caught and arrested that is karma.
∆ You do something evil and your conscience is troubling you, that is karma. Cause and effect.

I believe these are is wrong conclusions !
* You don't reap corn everything you plant corn. Something you get nothing and nothing is not the same thing as corn.
* sleeping with an infected person is not 100% guarantee of infection. There are many out there who did it and got away without an infection.
* Many of your politicians right there in Nigeria have stolen for decades, some even generations, and never been caught.
* Those who do evil are not guaranteed evil consequences.
Look up the meaning of Cause and Effect... To see how it does not apply in the case of Karma, or your understanding of it least.

Cause and effect is the relationship between two events or situations when one of the two is the cause of the other. The cause is the event or situation that triggers or creates the effect. If the cause is eliminated, the effect is as well.

Many of the ideas here aren't black and white as the grey is instead glaring.

cyberprof:
Genesis 3:12-1....
Can someone tell the difference between the serpent and Satan.
They all shifted the blame but God never bothered to ask the serpent why it deceived the woman (and maybe it would have said it was the Satan) Why curse the serpent if Satan was responsible?

The ones who made up the tale about Satan being responsible were your religious authorities and leaders aka your gods of men and pastors. They lied to you since Scripture is instead clear who was to blame for the sins committed by the man, the woman, and the snake in all of this.

mbaise1000:
■You are certainly not a Christian. TRUE Christians understand what Jesus said, non Christians want to change that. To what end?
■I will still insist that what you claim that happened 1900 years ago haven't happened because there are things that will happen when that thing Jesus said happens, you know this but not being able to defend your own narrative, but whatever you say doesn't change the truth anyways

So, in your summation, these True Christians all believe that Jesus Christ lied, which sort of affirms the claim I have been making all this while?

29 “Right after the trouble of those days, this will happen:‘The sun will become dark, and the moon will not give light.The stars will fall from the sky, and everything in the sky will be changed.’[c]
30 “Then there will be something in the sky that shows the Son of Man is coming. All the people of the world will cry. Everyone will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds in the sky. He will come with power and great glory.
31 He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all aroun
32 “The fig tree teaches us a lesson: When its branches become green and soft, and new leaves begin to grow, then you know that summer is very near.
33 In the same way, when you see ALL these things happening, you will know that the time[d] is very near, already present.
34 I assure you that ALL these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living.
35 The whole world, earth and sky, will be destroyed, but my words will last forever. - Matthew 24 vs 32 - 35

2. There you go again affirming my earlier claim which is that you believe that Jesus Christ lied. So, what exactly are you trying to argue?

mbaise1000:
■ Do you really think that because you said I said Jesus lied will make me say Jesus lied? You are dreaming, Jesus NEVER lied, you need to face the topic and answer the question and stop trying to change the topic, anyways, looks like you have nothing to argue again, and rightly too, stop getting involved in what you don't understand

Look, the topic is what I am facing here. The problem is religious people who claim to believe in Jesus Christ, particularly Christians, do not believe in the narrative offered by Jesus Christ. This is a major reason why OP, and your person, assume to this day that what Jesus Christ said took place almost 1900 years ago, is an event still off in the future.

PulsingPurple:
∆ Hard one to agree with bro

The Bible doesn't imply men to dominate women

The problem was not created in the Bible at all but rather from the numerous all-too-convenient interpretations men, particular the religious leaning crowds, have chosen over that in fact written as instructions from God of Israel whose words are recorded in Scripture.

PulsingPurple:
[b]Did God Actually Give Man Dominion Over Woman?
Did God Tell Males To Dominate The Females?
Are Men Overdoing Themselves And Exerting Unnecessary Authority Over Women?[/b]Please air your opinions based on your understanding and knowledge of God, backed by supporting Scriptures.
I as OP will contribute too and we'll all deliberate.

The doctrines and traditions practiced by those of even the Religion of Christianity are removed from that in fact declared by the God of Israel and Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is famously known for declaring that males and females are equals in His Kingdom of God with Him alone as the one and only Head/Master, Teacher, Prophet, Counselor, Shepherd to them all. However, Religion, particularly Religion of Christianity tends not to agree with Jesus Christ on all matters including that.

SharonLoveth:
∆ Did I said God founded Judaism? Are you really okay at all.. Go back and read everything I pasted
The term Judaism originated from your dad if not Abraham right?
Engaging you is a waste of time and energy.. You have Britannica that you can access through google, ask google the founder of Judaism!

Interesting! Continue then.

creativeworld:
This Madness Must Stop, Prophet Miracle Blast Pst Damina for rubbishing Pst Adeboye's claim of drinking Tea with God

One false prophet/teacher attacking another false prophet/teacher.... This is going to be the usual Christian circus again today.

Expanse2020:
No am not planned.
I just ask him to provide the author names, and reference to where he saw the articles..
Checking the author names, the citing the reference can help is claimed to be true 😂😂😂 he should try and do it.. because I think he can read Arabic too for him to quotes the books..
Why are you furious today
You are not in your normal state guy

He did provide at least one book which i have checked myself. The author of the Life of Mohammed did write on receiving a letter that mentioned the matter which he proceeded to argue.

I am not furious. Just wondering why you are bent on going at folks who post comments on the thread with lame distractions.

Expanse2020:
■ Your brother should cited the author and the reference to the page he claimed Muhammad named was Quthman (Quthman 🤣🤣🤣🤣 is that Arabic name) is just what I asked.. Atleast when the Putin show us that Jesus was black he showed us the evidences with the pictures and the likes What is the fused about...

Did you review any of the references provided at all? Or are you just here cause you are pained or something?

SharonLoveth:
■ Why would I pay attention to the gullibility you're vomiting? Is Judaism not a religion developed among the ancient Hebrew originated with the biblical patriarch Abraham (approx 1800 BCE). Abraham established a covenant with God that was confirmed with the reception of the Torah (the Law including the Ten Commandments) from God through Moses to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai? You like to argue blindly, stupidly here on nairaland! You see where you missed it guy, am I talking of modern day Judaism? Please can you get the fcck away from here

What instead God established with Abraham was a Covenant, A Law, not a religion? Religion is not a Law and is not based on a Law. And the Law that God gave to the people of Israel, all 12 tribes of Israel, was a National Constitutional Law, not a religion or an idea that would be confused as such. Try to understand the meaning of what you read.

The term Judaism originates, not from Abraham, but from the Nation of Judah which came into being after the original nation of Israel was split up into two nations after the death of Solomon. The nation of Judah consisted of 3 of the 12 tribes of Israel — Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Before the people of Judah were led off to captivity in Babylon by the God of Israel who used Nebuchadnezzar to punish them for their sins against Him, He warned of the firing of all of His those he had appointed as shepherds over His people. He warned of their adoption of religion over obedience which He instead commands, and declared that He alone would be shepherd over His people - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31. The people of course refused to heed His warning as they came back embracing Religion and it's many ideas which they obtained from the foreigners who had them in captivity. It is for this reason that Religion in the book of Revelation is referred to as the LovePeddler of Babylon.

SharonLoveth:
■ Why would you said they didn't practice Judaism when Judaism a monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews.
■ Incase of next time, do your research before propagating what is called nonsense

You are not paying attention at all. Abraham, Moses, and all the other Prophets did not practice any religion. What they did was simple and that was that they obeyed God's Law. Obedience of God's Law is not religion and Religion is not of God.

2. You did your research and the article informed you that the religion called Judaism which you know today began around the 4th-6th century BC period which is around the period of the exile and after of the Jews of Judah. The Nation of Israel which was destroyed before then— 720BC — did not have such a religion. Open your eyes to see what is right before you!

SharonLoveth:
Guy you are too daft..
Judaism, monotheistic religion developed among the ancient Hebrews. Judaism is characterized by a belief in one transcendent God who revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions. Judaism is the complex phenomenon of a total way of life for the Jewish people, comprising theology, law, and innumerable cultural traditions.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Judaism
You can't just come online and be typing nonsense!

I see now that I am trying to engage someone who does not even care to acknowledge any of the facts at all. The following is taken right from the same article which you quoted from.

In the 19th century, biblical scholars moved the decisive division back to the period of the Babylonian Exile and the restoration of the Jews to the kingdom of Judah (6th–5th century BCE). They asserted that after the first fall of Jerusalem (586 BCE) the ancient “Israelitic” religion gave way to a new form of the “Jewish” faith, or Judaism, as formulated by the reformer Ezra (5th century BCE) and his school. In Die Entstehung des Judentums (1896; “The Origin of Judaism”) the German historian Eduard Meyer argued that Judaism originated in the Persian period, or the days of Ezra and Nehemiah (5th century BCE); indeed, he attributed an important role in shaping the emergent religion to Persian imperialism.

These theories, however, have been discarded by most scholars in the light of a more comprehensive knowledge of the ancient Middle East and the abandonment of a theory of gradual evolutionary development that was dominant at the beginning of the 20th century. Most Jews share a long-accepted notion that there never was a real break in continuity and that Mosaic-prophetic-priestly Judaism was continued, with only a few modifications, in the work of the Pharisaic and rabbinic sages well into the modern period. Even today the various Jewish groups—whether Orthodox, Conservative, or Reform—all claim direct spiritual descent from the Pharisees and the rabbinic sages. In fact, however, many developments have occurred within so-called normative or Rabbinic Judaism.

In any event, the history of Judaism can be divided into the following major periods: biblical Judaism (c. 20th–4th century BCE), Hellenistic Judaism (4th century BCE–2nd century CE), Rabbinic Judaism (2nd–18th century CE), and modern Judaism (c. 1750 to the present).

The religion you know of today as Judaism began after the first fall of Jerusalem back in 586 BC.

Expanse2020:
■ You should asked your brother since he knows the origin of him to tell us all the truth behind it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What in the world are you rambling about now? What brother? Did the researchers who came up with the questions regarding the origin of the name Mohammed tell you they are my brother? They ask a valid question... where did the name Mohammed originally come from?

mide14:
4. Also the use of the words of your mouth. The bible’s emphasis on this is so great. Some people have cursed themselves into their situation without even knowing. While some it was from your parents speaking wrong over you as a child growing up. There are some tribes that a way of greeting each other is true words that sound harsh/ abusive. I will leave this be, so I say begin to watch the words you speak upon yourself. NB: begin blessing yourself as soon as you even wake up in the morning and any other time you have negative words about coming out of your mouth.

That notion instead comes from the many religious interpretations of what is written in the Bible and not from the Bible itself.

estheragha:
■Yes it does. The punishment here isn't talking about physical punishment as you have narrated. Instead it's talking about the eternal punishment of hell, [b]naturally meant for all mankind born as sinners. The wages/ punishment of sin is death, death here refers to the punishment of hell.[/b]
■It is only by knowing and believing in His mercy revealed through His salvation works that humans can avoid punishment. Otherwise everyone is destined for hell naturally.

1. Jesus Christ instead said the punishment of eternal damnation belongs only to the goats in his flock — all of them born-agains. There is nothing natural about eternal damnation.

2. Again, Jesus Christ never said any of this is natural. Also, He said that it is instead those who do the Will of the Father in the Kingdom of God— again, all of them born-again — that can avoid eternal damnation which is, yes, not natural.


So, did Jesus Christ not get it right about how things work in His own Kingdom?

SharonLoveth:
∆ They pracitsed Judaism.. Nothing like islam or Muslim when they are on earth so stop fooling yourself boy
They are Muslims that never recognized allah as God, they are Muslims that never performed pilgrimage to mecca, they are Muslims that never bow for kaaba, they are muslim that never proclaimed shahada right, they are muslims that never observed five pillars of islam isn't it?
So what make them Muslims without all the above?

They didn't practice Judaism. Rather, Judaism came about during the time the people of Judah where taking into exile in the land of Babylon. There they saw how Nebuchadnezzar installed and willed power over his people as though a god. When the Jews returned they came back with the idea of religion and so set out to insert themselves as administrators and middlemen between the God of their fathers and the people of Judah. That is how Judaism was brought back from Babylon to Jerusalem around 545 - 400BC.

God of Israel hates religion - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31.. Jesus Christ disavowed religion and its every doctrines and traditions. Jesus Christ condemned Judaism and its leaders during His time. Surely, you can see how Jesus Christ cannot then accept Christianity, a religion modelled after Judaism and any other offshoots of the same. Religion is the antichrist system described as the beasts by John in his book of visions and dreams, The book of Revelations.

triplechoice:
∆ I cannot help but to respond to this. Your comments here has further confirmed that you have no clue what karma is. You're still interpreting it in the light of your religious beliefs.
Who planted the seed?
You of course .
The seed not germinating is your karma, the consequence from the action you took.You didn't do anything bad,but only took and action that resulted in something. Learn from what has happened and then next time find a better way of doing it t so you reap a good harvest That's all.

You continue to miss it because you still see karma as sin which requires forgiveness from a God. Karma is taking responsibility for your actions and not blaming external forces or circumstances for what has happened to you. The knowledge of karma is an empowering concept that will help anyone to change their life if things aren't working as they want
it.
∆ You're responsible for happens to you and if you don't like the results you see in your life, you have the power to change it by taking necessary action. That's what karma says.

1. The OP is the one who attempted to draw some religious angle, specifically a Scriptural one, to the idea of Karma and I saw fit to point out that no such exists.

If I was clear from my first comment that Karma has nothing to do with the world of sin and forgiveness and judgment, why would you feel the need to rope sin and forgiveness and judgment back into it all?

2. Your response regarding the seed that failed to germinate due to natural occurrences beyond my control is ludicrous. First of all, sin, forgiveness, etc., have nothing to do with the planting of a mere seed abeg ! Second, the natural laws described were beyond me and there was nothing I could have done about them given my ignorance of the weather and all. Unless you meant that my lack of knowledge of natural laws that could impact seed germination -- along with inability to foresee the future-- is my Karma-- a type of ignorance--- , i fail to see the substance to be obtained from your response on the subject of karma.

See, this is why I prefer the religious definitions of the idea. They at least offer something more tangible in way of explaining this and not some fluff that can't be reduced any further.

4. I don't believe that life can be wrapped up as simply as your karmic ideas lead you to believe at all..

Interesting since it does seem the name came out of nowhere. But since much of what is known of him comes from Islamic writings and views... how exactly did the others get at the information on his birth name?

Sladem05:
∆ This is crazy how can a coutnry like the US becomes to a country with bandits, terrorism, cultists and so on.

This thread is all sorts of funny! Imagine the comparisons! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Matrix137:
no confusion at all. Each of us has variety of God's grace that differentiates the moral from the immortal. Please ruminate on that before i go further.

So, all the various lies people tell are part and parcel of God's grace, abi?