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Emusan:
What of the statement in 1 Corin 14, does it contradict 1 Tim 2? You elucidate more on the OP using1 Corin 14 to defend Paul or of what purpose is your post then if not for defence?

Fulgur:
Girl, go away.

Emusan:
But you're also in support of the claim that Paul actually contradicted Jesus Christ in some of his teachings, so what is this defence for?

Daejumong:
In 1 Timothy 2:11-14 Paul declared: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”

8 I want the men everywhere to pray. Men who lift their hands in prayer must be devoted to God and pleasing to him. They must be men who keep themselves from getting angry and having arguments.
9 And I want the women to make themselves attractive in the right way. Their clothes should be sensible and appropriate. They should not draw attention to themselves with fancy hairstyles or gold jewelry or pearls or expensive clothes.
10 But they should make themselves attractive by the good things they do. That is more appropriate for women who say they are devoted to God.
11 A woman should learn while listening quietly and being completely willing to obey.
12 I don’t allow a woman to teach a man or tell him what to do. She must listen quietly,
13 because Adam was made first. Eve was made later.
14 Also, Adam was not the one who was tricked.[a] It was the woman who was tricked and became a sinner.
15 But women will be saved in their work of having children. They will be saved if they continue to live in faith, love, and holiness with sensible behavior. - 1 Timothy 2 vs 8 - 15

14 Also, Adam was not the one who was tricked.[a] It was the woman who was tricked and became a sinner.
15 But women will be saved in their work of having children. They will be saved if they continue to live in faith, love, and holiness with sensible behavior. - 1 Timothy 2 vs 8 - 15

27 A large crowd followed Jesus. Some of the women were sad and crying. They felt sorry for him.
28 But Jesus turned and said to the women, “Women of Jerusalem, don’t cry for me. Cry for yourselves and for your children too.
29 The time is coming when people will say, ‘The women who cannot have babies are the ones God has blessed. It’s really a blessing that they have no children to care for.’
30 Then the people will say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us!’ They will say to the hills, ‘Cover us!’
[b]31 If this can happen to someone who is good, what will happen to those who are guilty?[c]” - Luke 23 vs 27 -30

Daejumong:
Many Apostles in Nigeria in recent time have highlighted the need to be careful with the teachings of Paul and that there are some areas they feel he contradicted Jesus. Some people believe Apostle Paul preached a chauvinistic and misogynistic message unlike Jesus who placed men and women on the same pedestal.
For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, Paul expressly forbade women from speaking in church and required them to be submissive: “…women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

26 So, brothers and sisters, what should you do? When you meet together, one person has a song, another has a teaching, and another has a new truth from God. One person speaks in a different language, and another interprets that language. The purpose of whatever you do should be to help everyone grow stronger in faith.
27 When you meet together, if anyone speaks to the group in a different language, it should be only two or no more than three people who do this. And they should speak one after the other. And someone else should interpret what they say.
28 But if there is no interpreter, then anyone who speaks in a different language should be quiet in the church meeting. They should speak only to themselves and to God.
29 And only two or three prophets should speak. The others should judge what they say.
30 And if a message from God comes to someone who is sitting, the first speaker should be quiet.
31 You can all prophesy one after the other. This way everyone can be taught and encouraged.
32 The spirits of prophets are under the control of the prophets themselves.
33 God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. This is the rule for all the meetings of God’s people.
34 The women should keep quiet in these church meetings. They are not allowed to speak out but should be under authority, as the Law of Moses says.
35 If there is something they want to know, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is shameful for a woman to speak up like that in the church meeting.
36 God’s teaching did not come from you, and you are not the only ones who have received it.
37 If you think you are a prophet or that you have a spiritual gift, you should understand that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
38 If you do not accept this, you will not be accepted.
39 So my brothers and sisters, continue to give your attention to prophesying. And don’t stop anyone from using the gift of speaking in different languages.
40 But everything should be done in a way that is right and orderly. - 1 Corinthians 14 vs 26 - 46

STYCNig:
My Friend, I understand the perspective the original writer is coming from... Next time try not to make it an authority in an article where the research was not done by you because literally you can't defend it.
Perhaps, that theology or believe system is the foundational doctrine of the Catholic faith, which probably, you are a believer of Catholic Church doctrines.
We live in a world of vast increase in knowledge! Arguments in this era is very obsolete if you must win peoples heart towards your opinion - always make your point very objective in content and character !

Note: just like you authoritatively fault other bible interpretation, they also have the audacity to fault yours too!

You have not been able to answer why Abram & Co committed Incest and even your own bible version did not rebuke them, yet your same version had to put a final authority on Incest as the only reason for divorce among others.

Looking at church history, there has always been conflict whenever a new movement is about to breakaway; Catholic - Protestant - Methodist - Authodox - Baptist - Apostolic - Episcopal - Adventist - Assemblies - Evangelical - Pentecostal - and presently the one being lead by one Abel Damina - had fault with previous!
So many versions of the bible comes as a result of ideology, believe system that gives birth to denominational doctrines.
The interpretation and re-interpretation of scriptures did not start today, it existed since the era of Abram, Moses and Jesus. You could see from the bible, when Jesus tried to put a clearer meaning of the scriptures to the Elders, it brought alot of conflicting believes.
For Ages, Bible interpretation always makes alot of conflict. This subject matter seniors you! Don't try to put yourself or the doctrine you believe as a final authority. If what you practice as a Christian is giving you result, giving Glory to God continue in them. I think God is not a one way traffic, rigid.

Free2Fly:
∆ Stupid you and your usual nonsensical talks
The Israel being referred to was a person, Jacob. And of course, that included all his descendants.

Dsimmer:
∆ The death and resurrection was for mercy to abound for everyone hence why he's called the Lamb. That was why the veil split. However, it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil because you will reap it if you don't change your evil ways.

oziezu:
∆ At least, educate the members with biblical reference to support your position.

Fulgur:
∆ I'm booted out of my senses to see you try your take at Christianity knowing how divergent you are even on secular issues.
I won't make the mistake of joining words with you. Bye Ms heretic weirdo

aderadio1:
But Christians burn shrines that belong to others. Here you condemn someone that burns bible that belongs to him.

Dsimmer:
■ Of course the law is without mercy. I mean you get good deeds for your good actions while you are punished for your evil action. It's got no grey areas. However grace persists today because mercy abounds however it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil because soonest or later, you will meet the repercussions of your evil actions if you don't change your evil ways. That was why Paul said we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound.
We can also apply such theory which is the need to show mercy if warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice can be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it, for example, non intentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to hurt others for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat.

BrighterSyde:
■ You seem to be silent on the Bible vs gospel issue. Don’t be proud. Just admit your foolishness in making that statement. Now let us go to the Bible or should I say gospel passage we are referring to and see what exactly it says. Pls read Matthew 5 vs 31-32. It says that …anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality… Pls read all of it so you get the full context. This clearly states that there is ground for divorce and it is sexual immorality. Let me pause so you can read that verse and telll me what it means to you so I know whether I’m wasting my time explaining to someone who can’t read and understand simple English. If Bible and gospel is confusing you then this might be challenge for you too.

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’[f]
32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery. - Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

1 About that time the followers came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in God’s kingdom?”
2 Jesus called a little child to come to him. He stood the child in front of the followers.
3 Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
4 The greatest person in God’s kingdom is the one who makes himself humble like this child.
5 “Whoever accepts a little child like this in my name is accepting me.
6 “If one of these little children believes in me, and someone causes that child to sin, it will be very bad for that person. It would be better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and be drowned in the deep sea.
7 I feel sorry for the people in the world because of the things that make people sin. These things must happen, but it will be very bad for anyone who causes them to happen. - Matthew 18 vs 6 - 7

42 “If one of these little children believes in me, and someone causes that child to sin, it will be very bad for that person. It would be better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and be drowned in the sea.
43 If your hand makes you sin, cut it off. It is better for you to lose part of your body and have eternal life than to have two hands and go to hell. There the fire never stops.
44 [c]
45 If your foot makes you sin, cut it off. It is better for you to lose part of your body and have eternal life than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
46 [d]
47 If your eye makes you sin, take it out. It is better for you to have only one eye and enter God’s kingdom than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.
48 The worms that eat the people in hell never die. The fire there is never stopped. - Matthew 9 vs 42 - 48

TheGift:
∆ The inclinations are not different; the Bible says “ what a man sows, a man shall reap”. That is Karma, in a nut shell

BrighterSyde:
∆ This was what I said before you started quoting me. But that is not even my issue right now. I can let that slide since it seems you have a problem with comprehension.
∆ Just tell me how the Bible and gospel are different as you are the one that asked why you should read some Bible when you can see from the gospel that Jesus said divorce is no sin. That’s all I need to know right now.

BrighterSyde:
Read your bible well. Adultery is also grounds for a divorce. Also if your partner wants a divorce you are allowed to grant him or her that request.

Dsimmer:
∆ Of course, Jesus represent the law which he paid with his life however, he also represent mercy. The law has no mercy and that's what the snake represents. The
snake which represent the law was simply lifted on the cross /tree which depicts mercy. That is, the Isrealites obtained mercy at the face of the law.

BrighterSyde:
∆ You seem confused. In your previous quote you said you don’t need the Bible since Jesus said it himself. Now you are talking about the gospel. Ow…wait!!! The gospel isn’t the same thing as the Bible now right? I go learn another new one this night.
Pls what did you mean by “which Bible” and why are you now referring to the gospel as His recorded words? Is the Bible different from the gospel? I eagerly await your clarification on this.

haykaysoft:
■ The concept of karma, as understood in Eastern religions like Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, is indeed different from the concept of sin and forgiveness in Christianity. In the Bible, particularly in the New Testament, there is an emphasis on forgiveness through Christ, which is seen as a way to be freed from the consequences of sin.
■ The verse you mentioned, "He who kills by the sword, will die by the sword," can be seen as a principle of cause and effect, but it's not necessarily equated with the concept of karma. Similarly, the idea of "reaping what you sow" is a principle found in many philosophies and religions, not just in karma.In Christianity, forgiveness is believed to be attainable through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. This forgiveness is seen as a complete wiping away of sin, and the person is considered free from its eternal consequences. However, this doesn't mean that there are no earthly consequences for one's actions.The distinction lies in the belief that through Christ, one can be completely forgiven and freed from the eternal consequences of sin, whereas in the concept of karma, the consequences of one's actions are seen as a natural and unavoidable part of the cosmic order, often spanning across multiple lifetimes.So, while the principles of cause and effect are universal concepts, the understanding of sin, forgiveness, and karma differ significantly across religions.

Fulgur:
■ It is always dangerous when canal wisdom -- which you employ -- tries to dabble into spiritual matters.
If anything can truncate a marriage, adultery is at the very top. It is the 2nd worst sin after murder. And if incest or fornication which was committed before marriage can make the marriage null how much more would adultery under an existing marriage nullifies it?
You talk foolishly as inspired by the devil

Flame77:
Hmmm your rebuttal makes a lot of logical sense.

BrighterSyde:
■ See this one forming smart. No be read you read am from somewhere? Did somebody not tell you this and then showed you where to read it? Now you Dey here Dey talk like say you Dey there when Jesus talk am. Abeg go siddon jare. I even think say na person wey get sense I Dey folo talk. If you no fit quote where you read am just shut up

Truthshotcrazy:
Danger of a single story..,Pastor Olumide Emmanuel don talk him own wetun him wife do, in all these, he didnt do anything
It takes two to tango. Oya the ex wife should grant her own interview too with Chude, let us have better perspective & weigh in on the matter

immortalcrown:
Then, avoid using the Bible to institute your marriage.

FLYFIRE:
■ Thank you bros & God bless, but let us use the King James Version
Mt 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
And if I may ask, is this man, Emmanuel Olumide, a minister of God?
The ONLY reason divorce is allowed is in the above scriptures & ANY person who has put away his wife outside of these has FALLEN

BrighterSyde:
■ I’m not getting your point. Let’s take it one after the other. According to the Bible is there any reason for divorce? If yes what are they? If no then state where the Bible forbids divorce. Leave google and pastor out of this. Lt us use our own brains.

iCauseTrouble:
All these pastors have issues in their marriages. If you like, go dey listen to pastor as per who to marry

Porksupplyib:
Hmm If we go by that, no marriage will exist anymore. Every single marriage have their own issues. And many can be helped. Even the best of lovers who are so called 100% compactible can develop issues during marriage.

Porksupplyib:
■ Hmm. The sincere truth is that nothing good ever comes easy. Many couples make mistake with spousal choice. And when they get into marriage, the battle become very unbearable for them. Often times they close their eyes to details they should have seen before stepping into marriages.
For many of them, they can be helped ONLY if they are willing and ready to make compromise. But u see, when the option of divorce is on the table, forget it!
Little issue, couples are already opting out. As if the next person they will meet will be better. Or they themselves are good enough. It is well.

CoolAmbience:
■ Whether Church, Mosque, Shrine or Traditional wedding, once couples can no longer 'see eye to eye', everyone should find their way. No need for all these long talks and sermons. It is all these unnecessary long talks that have led many their their early graves.

BarrElChapo:
■ Incest ? Thought it was adultery as for your second and third paragraphs, spot on analysis 🤝