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FUTURE4202:
Na ur blood real. Mugu

Actually, OP has a point, unless the way he expresses it is not really the way I would. The blood of Jesus as used by those of the religion of Christianity is fake — not of Truth or Scripture.

Btobigman:
HERE IS ASAKE'S MOST C0NTR0VERSIAL VIDEO WITH THE MOST BACKLASH FROM THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? THE SONG IS TITLED

I should listen to the song in order to understand his message. Maybe he simply speaking facts of what he has come to learn of the religion and its many gods of men.

mmsen:
■ You've missed the point entirely. Why is it that human beings can create systems of accountability, systems to root out fraud and dishonesty but your sky daddy cannot?
■ Additionally, the bulk of humanity (especially in Africa) continues to be taken in by charlatans which suggests that the abilities given to these people by your sky daddy are sorely lacking.

Why should Sky Daddy who gave human beings this ability you speak of have to come down to do that which he already gave human beings the ability to create for themselves?

2. Why, again, is Skydaddy to blame for the refusal of Africans to use the ability that he has given them to root out these many problems they create for themselves? You are not making any sense! Why should he come down to do for them what he already gave them ability to do for themselves?

RenaissanceGuy:
Wrong headline. The content of the thread shows that he's advocating for helping the less privileged and not just concentrating on construction of gigantic church buildings. He did not say people should shun church!

Liar!

Babalegba:
I'm just speechless. What just happened. Somebody please explain.

Kumuyi's god changed his mind again!

Alasiritife:
■ Pastor William Kumuyi, the general superintendent of Deeper Christian Life Ministry, has said that tithe payment is a requirement from God and it is the gateway to prosperity for Christians. Pastor who spoke through online for Christians on Sunday on the sermon “Full and Final Reaping after faithful Sowing,” insisted that for Christians to reap prosperous blessing from God, it is imperative to pay tithe and give offerings
The issue of tithing has been a subject of debate on the social media with some saying tithes should not be collected alleging that people paying tithes are paying into pastors’ accounts.

Many have also argued that tithing has been abolished and that churches collecting tithes in this dispensation are doing wrong and by parity of reasons are duping the poor members of the church.
But Pastor Kumuyi, in his sermon, said tithe and offerings are for God, noting that tithing brings financial blessings to Christians. According to him, the issue of tithing is not a subject of debate, it is a compulsory requirement from God’s children.
His argument is based on the book of Malachi 3:8-12 which reads “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings….
“Bring ye all the tithes in the storehouse, that there be meat in my house in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing that there may not be room enough to receive it.”
Pastor Kumuyi said Christians should give as God has prospered them, adding that whether small or big everyone should give as much as God has prospered them.
[b]According to him, while giving to God, Christians should not consider the economy of the nation, noting that despite the hard times, Christians should give, whether convenient or not convenient.
He argument is based on Ecclesiastes 11:4 which reads: “He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap.” And verse 6 reads: “In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thy hand…” This means Christians should give at all times and all seasons.
He also supported his argument on giving offerings whether convenient or not with Psalm 126: 6 thus: “He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtlessly come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.” This s showing that in the midst of pains, there is the certainty of happiness at the end.
However, the holiness preacher insisted that before anyone could give any acceptable offering or tithe to God, the individual must, of necessity, have surrendered his life to God. This is when the individual will now have understanding of tithing and offering.
He said the reward may not come immediately but it will certainly come. he said men may not know what you give but God will reward all offerings made in his name.[/b]

Even Kumuyi's god is ever-changing his mind.

delpee:
Pastor Kumuyi is right. The Bible teaches us to always care for the poor, the fatherless, widows and orphans. It also teaches us to care for the sick and those in prison. Pastors should focus on this as much as they dwell on tithing.

Now, he is right? What about all the times he had previously asserted that the tithe and offerings were meant for his church? Was he wrong then?

David0002:
■ May God have mercy on you

God does not need your permission to show mercy to whomever He chooses. You think you need to say this for God to do what God already promised He would do daily to those who love Him and those who do not mean you are seriously deluded in your understanding of who God of Israel is.

David0002:
■ you are insulting him because you don't understand how wicked satan is. In your quest for power, he can make you do the worst thing just to aquire power. Even me, it is hard to believe, but deep down, I know it is true.

The man himself has no real understanding of who Satan is that is why he spews all those jargons at you gullible lot. The man needs the help of the psychiatric kind, and so also do all those of you who gullibly consume all he says as truth.

Ken4Christ:
■ Paul's letters were not his ideas.
■ He was just a servant of Christ. Jesus gave him the revelations.
■ What is wrong about that? Don't Kings send servants on errands?

Many of the ideas expressed in his letters were of his opinion, his digest of the law, and nothing of Jesus Christ. Paul said this himself.

2. Jesus Christ promised to give an understanding of the kind that aligned with His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 16 - 26 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 1 - 16. Many of Paul's supposed claims do not align at all with the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

3. A wise King never sends His servant on an errand with a message different from that which He has established by way of His proclamation. The King that you claim by way of your special interpretations sent Paul out does not sound at all like a wise king.

PastorOlokonla:
■ There you go my friend "According to Jesus Christ", how do you know this to be true as its a reported account by individuals who wrote other parts of the scriptures you are having a conflict with.
■ These are all reported accounts don't you think or you want to tell me thise verses were personally written by Jesus.?
■ My contention with you are this verses you claimed to be "Gods word" and the one's that are not according to you.
■ My conclusion, it is either you accept all the Bible as God's words or you don't accept any of the Bible at all afterall, God can still write through inspiration. What do you think?

1. Oh, I see now where you are going with this.

2. When you pick up a book to read and you come upon a quotation, you almost instinctively conclude that the speaker quoted is the actual one who said those words, right? Well, in much the same way, you are expected to parse that written in Scripture. After all the book is written in human language by humans so the same language rules apply. "According to Jesus" is to stress that the words stated were recorded as a direct quotation of the person of Jesus Christ, and not someone else. Scripture records Jesus Christ as the God of those in the Kingdom of God, and His Words are the Word of God.

3. Words that do not qualify as the Word of God are words that are not direct quotes, or directly connected to statements made by the person of the God of Israel or the God of the Kingdom of God. Use basic language comprehension rules here.

4. Your conclusion makes absolutely no sense at all given that all you need to comprehend these simple things is the application of basic language comprehension skills here. The book you call your Bible contains the views and opinions of different characters. There is no sensible reason why one would conclude the entire book is the Word of God, absolutely none!.

PastorOlokonla:
■ Kobo, the idea came from a certain verse in the scripture which says "all scripture is given by inspiration.... holy men of God being moved by the Holy Spirit to write"
■ Even though you have a valid argument,you mentioned "God's words" how do we know them to be God's words since they are being reported and written by men who claim them to be God's word or did you see God writing those words personally.
■ You can not pick and choose which is God's words. What do you have to say.

1. That verse says absolutely nothing of what you assert though.

in·spire

1. fill (someone) with the urge or ability to do or feel something, especially to do something creative.
2. breathe in (air); inhale.

All living beings have the breath of God in them. Does that mean that all living beings are holy? Surely not! That one is filled with the urged or ability to do something does not mean in any way that the individual is made holy by that urge or that the something to be done is holy as a result so why do you assume inspiration produces holiness or whatever it is you claim?

2. According to Jesus Christ, God's Word refers to the Word out of God's mouth - Matthew 4 vs 4. And all of Scripture, we have the Prophets saying things like .."The Lord Said...Thus Saith the Lord...", and so on. And then in the same Scripture, we have Jesus Christ Himself declaring that He is the Word out of God's Mouth — I am the Way, The TRUTH(God's Word) and the Life. clearly, it ain't difficult to know and understand that which is the Word of God and that which is not the Word of God if one is interested in knowing these things.

3. Given what is stated in Scripture, there is no picking and choosing necessary in this at all. So, I don't understand the supposed confusion of those who claim their Bible as the Word of God when written in that book are details that carefully explain exactly what constitutes the Word of God and what doesn't.

Christianity and lying are like siamese twins joined at the head. No salvation foreseeable!.

Ken4Christ:
■ It's an insult to compare Jesus and Moses. How dare you. Are you out of your mind?
■ God always uses a human vessel to accomplish his purpose.
■ Jesus couldn't have taught the things he revealed to Paul because the present day church of the Gentiles was not yet born. It was still a mystery. Please, let this simple truth sink into your brain. And all that Paul wrote was revealed by Jesus to him through his Spirit.

You don't compare Jesus Christ to Moses but earlier you asserted that because Moses failed therefore Jesus Christ too had to fail and had to be saved many years later by Paul. Wow... the ones wey do una these things, you never begin talk at all.

2. So Jesus Christ was not human enough and the over 120 disciples Jesus Christ Himself already prepared were not fully human either. It had to be Paul to save His skin because Paul wrote letters all of which contained mostly ideas from the Old Law of Moses and nothing much of the New Law.

3. Present-day church, you mean the church ruled and full of those Jesus Christ referred to as dogs? They are to be blamed on Paul? Yikes.... you lot wish to take that man, Paul, down with these accusations of yours.

thinkmoney:
You see where u declared your foolishness? Where did I mention or infer God is with him? I talked of his knowledge, stay and piety, but where did I talk about God’s acceptance of him?

What?

thinkmoney:
God measures and judges everyone accurately. However, when it comes to consistency of style, longevity, less controversy, knowledge, piety, good family reputation, church organization, coverage of the Bible and repertoire of Bible knowledge no modern mainstream pastor or preacher comes close to Pastor W.F. Kumuyi.

You didn't post the statement above?

mmsen:
■ In most modern, liberal democracies if someone claims to work for the state but is found to be lying they are charged and sanctioned. Pretending to be a police officer is a serious charge. Likewise if someone pretends to be a doctor. That's a serious offense.
Why is it that your all powerful deity does not take action against those who claim to work in his name? Or even better, since you claim he is all powerful, why does he not prevent them from doing so to begin with?

1. The powerful deity also gave abilities to all Individuals out there in order that they are able to easily recognize the frauds and penalize them by way of the laws of the land in which they live in. So why do you wait for the deity to come down and do for you and I what He already equipped all with capacity for?

David0002:
An alliance in India
The Occult Society located in Dahil, India sent me a second letter, asking me to go to India. In this letter I was also asked to do the following:
“Eating feces, eating rotten rats, and having sex with spirits overnight in the cemetery. After obeying these requests, I was never to have sex with any woman on earth again. I told them I didn’t have a visa and didn’t know how to get to India. By then I had started doing “business”. I was a big trafficker, but thanks to the powers that supported me, I had no problem with customs, etc. I started to have a lot of money. Food and material goods were no longer measured against me. One day I locked my apartment and left. Coming back, I opened the door and saw a man sitting in my living room. I was scared..

OP, the man you quote is a classic psychiatric case and needs to be instituted for his own sake.

David0002:
■ The Lord showed me demons from beneath the Earth and beneath the water. These demons from the inferior region of the Earth are now displayed on the screens and they are characters that we watch in movies, in animated cartoons and video games.
The Bible says in Exodus 20:4-5 You shall not make to you any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is in the Earth beneath, or that is in the water under the Earth. 5 You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me.
This is the word of the Lord given to the children of Israel, which we will preach at this time without removing or adding because the word of the Lord is complete.
The Lord has revealed Himself to me so that His people can be prepared to attend the wedding of the Lamb.
Thank you, Father, in the name of Jesus, I put myself in your hands to give this Word. Glory to God who visits the wickedness of parents in their children until the third and fourth generation of those who hate Him.
Welcome brother and sister. One day I was attending an evangelical gathering with a brother that was preaching. He said to the congregation, “I have come to Central America and Mexico because I want to claim all this land that the devil has conquered, and I want to claim the land of Central America. For the devil has invaded and conquered our land through TV and media.[\b] The enemy has invaded our nations with his television programs. He came up with his soap operas. He has invaded our nations and has filled them with corruption. He has invaded the country conquering the children thanks to demonic cartoons and animation for our children and our young people are contaminated with his demonic program and technology.

OP, please make an appointment [b]immediately to see a professional mental health therapist for your own sake and the sake of those around you.

chymer:
■ In a thought-provoking address to his congregation, Pastor William Kumuyi, the General Superintendent of the Deeper Life Bible Church, has stirred a conversation on the essence of charity and compassion within the Christian community.
His message resonates with a call to action, urging believers to reconsider the traditional practice of tithing solely to the church, and instead, redirect those resources to support the impoverished and unemployed in their midst.
Emphasizing the importance of extending a helping hand beyond the church walls, Kumuyi challenged Christians to prioritize aiding their struggling neighbors over lavish expenditures on church infrastructure.
His words echo a sentiment of social responsibility, highlighting the moral imperative to alleviate the suffering of those deprived of life's basic necessities.

Has the god of deeper life changed his mind yet again regarding his doctrines?

Preciousgirl:
Are you serving the same God Christians serve??Drop your reasons

How can Muslims serve the same gods as Christians when the Christians with over 47,000 sects/denominations each brandishing a different idol of Jesus Christ and the God of Israel don't even serve the save deity? Each denominations in Christianity serves a different idol of Jesus Christ thanks to their special interpretation magic and those Christians who don't mind mixing the doctrines and traditions of several denominations don't even realize they too serve several different gods together. So, how can Muslims compete?

P.s. the Muslims also have similar sectional/denominational issues but maybe not on the same scale as Christians however the problem is pretty much similar. Depending on whom you speak to among them Allah takes on a different image.

NEWBIN:
Jws
do u believe God speaks to men through dreams in our times?
What are your reasons?

God of Israel who instituted the speaking to His Prophets of Old via dreams and visions in Numbers 12 vs 1 - 6 put a seal on Prophets Prophets & visions(dreams included) - Daniel 9 vs 24 -- about 1900 years ago. Jesus Christ never promised His followers that they would receive anything through dreams or visions from Him. So which deity is it that gives you these dreams you ask of @Op?

truthislight:
■ I take this to mean that you are saying that Yahweh never meant to reach out to gentiles. If so, then read the paasage below.
(Isaiah 49:6).
"And he said, It is a light thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: 'I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth." (Isaiah 49:6).
Paul quoted the those scriptures while preaching to gentiles:
(Acts 13:47).
"For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that you should be for a salvation unto the ends of the earth." (Acts 13:47).
One thing i give to you is that christianity was corrupted by constantine and his clique, but that has not changed the plans of Yahweh. Again, paul was baptised by Ananias, check your facts well.

The gentiles referenced in the writings of Isaiah and then that of Paul are Israelites. During Isaiah's time, God's nation of Israel which existed at the time was ordered destroyed by God of Israel around 720 -700BC. He cursed and scattered His people among the other nations, and as such they became gentiles. Isaiah announced that the same God who scattered them would gather them all back eventually.

So, almost 800 years later when Paul announced that Jesus Christ sent him, a Jew of the Nation of Judea, to the Gentiles, Paul meant his long-lost brothers who like him were also Israelites. Just as Jesus Christ sent the others out into the world that comprised only the Lost sheep of Israel, he too Paul had the same assignment handed him by Jesus Christ. All apostles were sent out by Jesus Christ to reach out to all those scattered from the Nation of Israel as well as the Jews of the Nation of Judah—cursed and scattered in that same generation that was Paul by God of Israel.

So, Paul's statement regarding the Gentiles was no call to those whom Jesus Christ said were dogs — Jesus Christ warned against handing the Gospel(that which is holy) to the dogs. Paul did not violate Jesus Christ in that at all. That the Christians decided through their special interpretation magic to suggest that Paul, against Jesus Christ, turned around to hand that which is Holy to the dogs, is a problem created by the Christians and not a mistake made by Paul at all.

Ken4Christ:
■God is a team player right from creation. The Moses you are referring to died at the age of 120 years. He spent 40 years in Ministry. Even at that, he still couldn't take them into the promise Land.
■ Jesus spent only three and a half years in Ministry.
■There was an aspect of his Ministry that was yet to be unveiled; the inclusion of the Gentiles. God needs man to fulfil his will on earth. When Jesus said it is finished, he is referring to his atoning sacrifice. There is absolutely nothing wrong in God using a human vessel to get his message across to us. He also used Prophets in the Old testament.
■ Moses alone didn't give all the prophecies.

1. Scripture almost gives the reason why Moses, and the older Israelites, roamed the desert for 40 years — a trip that should not have taken more than a couple of months, mind you —to have to do with God's Word that promised that all those among them who were over 20 at the time they left Egypt would not enter the promised Land. However, you seem to think that twist that to assert instead that the reason why Moses did not make it into the Land of Canaan had to do with a failure in the plan of God to get Moses into the Land. So, because Moses was 120 at the time, He was too old for God to take him to Canaan? WOW....

2. So, because Jesus Christ spent only 3.5 years, He did not have enough time to complete what Moses did. The Son of God status of Jesus Christ meant absolutely nothing. Jesus Christ was not given enough time by God. And so Jesus Christ needed the help of Paul who showed up years after his death to help him complete the work. The whole being a Son of God did not come with benefits above humans for Jesus Christ, did it?

3. This is a whole different Jesus Christ you have manufactured for yourself apart from the one written in Scripture. Might as well throw out the Gospels entirely cause it almost seems that your sect/denomination is about to fork off an entirely bizarre addition to both scripture and the already over 47,000 sects/denominations of the religion of Christianity, each with their version/idol of Jesus Christ that equally comes nowhere close to the one proclaimed in Scripture.

4. Moses alone did not give all the prophecies. Interesting! So no point in rebasing back to the Old Law where we find the first mentions of the coming of the fact that God would destroy and scatter the people of Israel for their disobedience of Him, and usher in a New Kingdom by way of a New agreement — all events which took place over 1900 years ago — that that which He would then gather back His scattered people from all ends of the earth Himself?

Ken4Christ:
■ Our Lord Jesus couldn't teach all that we needed to know because the disciples wouldn't have had the capacity to receive them. He told them;Besides, the revelation that the Gentiles will be a part of the church was yet to be known. It was a secret that God kept until the resurrection of Jesus. This is why most part of Paul's letters were focused on explaining how God included us in his plan of salvation. This was not revealed to his disciples before he died. It was even the rejection of Christ by the Jews that gave us the opportunity to be included. Hence Paul wrote; He also said; Notice in verse 3, Paul said that Christ made known unto him by revelation the things he wrote.

So your brand of Christianity through the magic of special interpretations has it that:

● Jesus Christ was nothing like Moses at all: . Moses was able to completely hand over all of God's Law to the people He was sent to. But Jesus Christ could not cut it as a Law-giver at all since, even though He announced on the cross that It was finished, Jesus Christ didn't complete the mission at all.
● Jesus Christ needed the help of the particular man called Paul to add the bits and pieces that He, Jesus Christ missed out on His Law and Kingdom: Even though 50 days after His death, it was noted in the Book of Acts that about 120 disciples were baptized on the day of Pentecost, and Paul alluded to there being about 500 disciples who saw Jesus Christ on the day He ascended, without the musings of the mind of the man named Paul who came many years after, Jesus Christ's movement would have been dead and buried.
● Jesus Christ is the King in the Kingdom of God and Paul is His co-ruler: Given that this belief of yours speaks of Paul who made nearly no actual mentions of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ in all of his letters, a position of new equal authority to Jesus Christ in the setting up and running of what is His, Jesus Christ's church, clearly Jesus Christ has Paul to thank for correcting His mistakes. Paul must occupy some sort of seat as co-ruler for those of you who hold these ideas regarding him.

So, following your special cocktail there, Jesus Christ lied and the God of Israel messed up big time since at the end of the day, Jesus Christ could not achieve any of what He was prophesied by the prophets to accomplish all on His own. To you all, Jesus Christ was a Failure and Paul was His Messiah. Did I miss anything else?

babs787:
lady, thats not the issue. what did u say all that he said he was not sent to gentiles and that his disciples should not go to gentiles too, didnt u read that he called gentiles dog and israel son. read everything and challenge me with any quotation from the bible or elsewhere. proof all things and hold which is true

Jesus Christ was sent by His Father, the God of Israel, only to the Lost Sheep of Israel.

Judek2:
And now that the whole world have him, was he still sent to the Jews only??

How can the whole world have that which Jesus Christ said belonged only to the Lost sheep of Israel? Use your head to realize that rather this means that what the whole world supposedly has is a fraud, not Jesus Christ!

Ken4Christ:
■ Every of Paul's writings were revelations from Jesus Christ himself. Jesus laid the foundation. The Apostles built on it. Without the writings of Apostle Paul and the other Apostles, there will not be the New Testament church. There would not have been instructions for us to live by. And no one is comparing Paul to Jesus. He wrote what his master Jesus revealed to him. Paul's writings were not his personal opinions.

These claims which are based on assumptions of yours — your special interpretations on steroids —do not answer any of the actual questions I asked so what exactly am I to do with this?

So, God of Isreal who bellowed down from Heaven on at least two occasions calling on people to Obey His Son, Jesus Christ, did not get it right, according to you? It was rather thanks to your claims regarding the person of Paul majorly that the New Testament church that belonged to Jesus Christ was able to get up and running, right? The Prophet and Teacher, the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ, who was sent by the God of Israel was not capable of doing it alone. Paul had to come to the aide for it all to come together. WOW...

All the other 120 or more disciples there on the day of Pentecost— just 50 days after the death of Jesus Christ — were all useless in disseminating the very teachings of Jesus Christ which Jesus Christ Himself must have given to them as well. Right?

Without Paul's letters — he was probably not even among the first 1000 of the disciples of Jesus Christ seeing as he came on the scene many years later — the New Testament church would not have known what to do? Una never talk who do una this thing.

See wetin religion don do people head for Nigeria abeg! Which kain nonsense be this one abeg!

thinkmoney:
God measures and judges everyone accurately. However, when it comes to consistency of style, longevity, less controversy, knowledge, piety, good family reputation, church organization, coverage of the Bible and repertoire of Bible knowledge no modern mainstream pastor or preacher comes close to Pastor W.F. Kumuyi.
I try not to be sentimental or bias (you too can give mind to this assumption). I in fact, do not agree with him on the doctrine of Trinity and use of Gods name mainly, but then he has been extraordinary. I by Gods grace have gone deeper than his Deeper Life.

This is the foolishness of many that I can't seem to wrap my head around. You do not agree with him on doctrines he preaches but you are sure that even in this disagreement you have with Him, God is certainly in it all? Are you people for real? Surely, you understand that here you just declared the god you serve a god of confusion, right?

Plus1234:
■ The guy you are supporting is the op(Antichristian) .You don’t need it bro , it leads to nowhere good. Stop antagonizing or twisting the Bible.

I am equally against religion including the religion of Christianity which I continue to point out is antiChrist in its very orientation. So, what makes you think or conceive that I am your brother in this?

Jesus Christ condemned religion beginning with the religious leaders of his time along with their doctrines and traditions which He pointed out were lies designed to deceive and delude many away from the one path that is the Truth of God, so why in the world would anyone who knows Jesus Christ abide any religion including Christianity?

Plus1234:
■I doubt if you are sane.How dare you support a known antagonist of Christ.
■ It even baffles me your mum is a deeperlifer.

Support a known antagonist of who? How?

My mum still drags herself around as a deeper lifer, following after mogs/gods of men as juju worshippers drag after their babalawos, but what has A to do with B?