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ChrisKels:
I am impressed. Our players should be playing in the best leagues, no more room for tier 2 league players. Aribo and Ejaria should better get off those yeye leagues they play in.

From the laliga, if Nwakali gives me a stat equal to or slightly below what Aribo gives me from that mushroom Scottish league, I would send Aribo back to the bench for Nwakali.

Dude has done nothing for 5 years he is in a moi.moi team in La Liga thats going nowhere and he is not even a regular yet. He can't even say he was pivotal to their gaining promotion, he was more of a spectator.

They are on very high odds to be relegated again back to the Segunda. They team level is not even mid table of championship.

Omeruo and Awaziem played in La Liga does that automatically make them quality players. I do not think so. There team was relegated a reflection of quality I guess.

elyte89:
What's ur take on d rumors flying around abt fernabache trying to sign nacho on a 2year loan deal?

It's obvious he is not rated in Leicester and the want somebody better.

Finally, no team will pay his wages in the EPL for a largely impotent striker. His best option is to go to Turkey if he wants to get the same money the tax regime makes it possible.

If he takes a huge pay cut he will get a club in the EPL lower level and or Championship. But then he might get found out and his value further plummet.

wayodude:
True Lukaku scored some goals however he didn't arrive in London having posted better stats or performances than Osimhen has managed prior to going to Naples.

And more significantly though Lukaku hardly scared anyone when he arrived in West London. The only people he might have scared were the Chelsea faithful who feared here we go again we've been sold another myth.

Can you tell me any 16 years old that are starting for Anderlecht and scoring 15 goals in the league. He increased his goal tally at 17 years of age but increased it to 17.

At 18 he was the understudy to Drogba but not give any opportunity he goes to WBA essentially ripped the EPL apart. From WBA to Everton to Manchester United to Inter Milan. He has been scoring and dominating every league he has played in since age 16.

This dude is an enigma absolutely world class.

Him and Victor Osimhen are worlds apart. You are talking complete Balderdash

Koboko99:
Dominic had won an outstanding accolade as an U20 player. It's not conclusive but highly indicative of quality and potential.

But Osimhen's U17 exploits is not an indication of quality and potential.

Dude has 3 surgeries on his right kneel and one on his shoulder. Came back to Lagos to recover and had malaria.

Injury is part of football.

How long was he Injured for at Wolfsburg 2 years

You are bending the truth backwards to present an untruth. He played a few games in the first team prior to that he had trained for how long and played in the youth team.

After a few games in the first team he was found to be poor and was sent back to the academy to learn more. He was simply not good enough.

jihday:
Doesn't always have to be about football, a 17-18 yrs old boy that is leaving Africa for Europe where he has no family, friend or even foe don't you think it will take a little bit of time for him to adjust psychologically?

Absolutely 100% agreed without question in addition.

Players from Africa have not had the same level of hight quality training will not even have the same awareness and technical understanding.

In top academies boys start at U6 with top notch facilities. By age 8/9 they are training 3/4 times a week and going on football tournaments across Europe.

But do you know what, FOOTBALL IS IMPATIENT and there is no sentiment or understanding and or leeway given to you in the name of extenuating circumstances. Nobody will make exceptions for you because you had a disadvantage in early life. IT IS HARSH.

It's similar, if you take JAMB and you only got 200 because you live in Ajegunle and went to a very low level school and somebody went to Lekki British School and had additional private tuition but got 365.

Do you think they will give the candidate Special consideration because he was disadvantaged. I do not think so.

Football is like that, l tell players the reality of the situation irrespective of their background. I don't give them a fairy tale. I prepare them for WAR, you are black you MUST BE CLEARLY BETTER.

I have been to Antwerp and seen many shattered football dreams, those players are now washing cars for a living and too ashamed to return back home.

I could add that l clearly understand what individual clubs are looking for in players as well as the corrupt deals that make it happen.

African players do have one big advantage they are very wiling to sell thier soul and spirit to agents and others just to get in. I do not blame them they are coming from very very desperate situations. Very few if any European born player will do that.

kingphilip:
which of the picture you want?

The one with Brenden Rodgers drilling Iheanacho or him having breakfast with all the coaches and their assistants in all the leagues in England?

Many years ago one of my friends came from Lagos to visit me.

As is normal l took him to watch a match it was Everton playing Arsenal. As was normal l took him to the players lounge ( very restrictive access) He was in a state of shock, managers and players. He wanted to take pictures, but sometimes it makes it look like you are really not supposed to be there.

He was saying to me, nobody will believe me OH, when I get back to Lagos. So l did arrange a few pics for him with players.

Your comments remind me of him, because it's very hard for you to envisage it becomes UNBELIEVABLE to you. A reflection of your own level and network.

chrisooblog:
under 20 is still youth team football besides would you have rated sadiq umar just because he did well at the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro an under 23 tournament?

Absolutely yes.

However, when we are talking U20 football in Europe you will find almost 99% will be playing first team football and in a good number of cases regular first team players.

For instance look at how many years of first team football Dominic Iorfa had when he was playing for England U21.

If you notice l used the diction potential and indicative l did not say conclusive.

With Sadiq it was indicative but in first team football part at Rangers he was completely
abysmal. He has gone to a very low level league and he is perfoming. But has he improved or is that just his level❓

Subzero047:
Can you define your here and now, can you give it a time frame? 3 weeks, 3 months?

I don't know what your level of comprehension is but the term HERE and NOW has no time frame, it is simply the present continous.

Subzero047:
Komekn's HERE and NOW can be today, it can be 3 weeks or 3 months

It's just whatever he wants to twist it to win an argument

If you lack the capacity to engage in a discourse that is substantive and not sentiment based assumption.

That's not my fault.

chrisooblog:
forgiveness' deductions at that time were premature.

Dominic hadn't done anything of note to classify whether he was better than anybody else or not. He as well was an up and coming player.

Victor at the time hadn't played an awful lot of games plus he had suffered many injuries and was recovering. When forgiveness made that statement about Dominic been better what had he done at the time in Liverpool?

Why I am on his case is because if Dominic had become exceptional he would have brought up those old posts as proof Solanke was good.

Dominic had won an outstanding accolade as an U20 player. It's not conclusive but highly indicative of quality and potential.

Osimhen had short Injury he was not injured all the time he was at Wolfsburg. But he was simply not good enough AT THAT TIME. He was naive and technically poor with a lot to learn.

So at that time Dominic was better than him, it's very simplistic it's not contentious. In the HERE and NOW Victor is now better than him. There is nothing new it's a very common occurence.

There should be no argument

Danielnino00:
So it was in the context of "At that time that you said Osimhen will end up like Christantus Macaulay abi?

You should go back and read my comments in CONTEXT first of all and in response to a claim made.

Otherwise if you cant then you are very small minded and seek relevance from an anonymous forum.

12large1:
Aribi vs Etebo who should get that 2nd central or box to box midfield position? Personally, I will pick Aribo but etebo workrate shouldn't be underestimated

In the HERE and NOW and currently speaking it's no contest Tega Onomah EOD.

chrisooblog:
Sadiq umar plays in a far lesser league whereas the french ligue 1 though slightly below the EPL is still up there. French teams have in recent past beaten and knocked out EPL teams in the UCL so the comparison between abraham and osimhen's form is valid

Not slightly but three places below.

elunico:
According to Komekn, we'd truly know what Nacho was made of when he eventually leaves Man City where he's surrounded by better players for a lesser team. Agreed! We are all a witness to what has been happening.

What we also witness was Tammy's nightmarish time at Swansea, when the boy scored his first goals for the club, Komekn was all over the place telling us how Tammy was the best young striker in the world then.

The story changed when he saw that the lad upon whom he has been pouring much encomium on was nothing special, he hopped on to the narrative that said Swansea was a team in crisis, changing managers every now and then, hence, it affected Tammy's form.
[b]
Tammy effectively drove Swansea into relegation, it was a good thing they severed all ties with him if not so, he'd have further pushed them down to the league 1.

So, I put it to you Komekn, we'd truly know Tammy's quality when he moves to a team of lower quality.[/b]

Can you kindly evidence your claim with my posts.

Nearly all the goals that Swansea scored Tega had an involvement. In that team that performed so badly was Crystal Palace highest goal scorer Jordan and Lille best Midfielder Reneto Sanchez.

In addition Tega was not played as an out an out striker.

I have always said that Tega was an outstanding striker and although he did not score too many goals at Swansea he did very well considering the circumstances.

chrisooblog:
what you are still stubbornly refusing to acknowledge is that both were still in the infancy of their career so it was premature to be saying Solanke was better than Osimhen using u20 level as a yardstick. and please stop your pretense we all know you would have come here saying i told you so if Solanke went on to have a smashing career since that time.

just be a man and chop your L with your full chest. this your da si rough tactics no go work.

Football is a short term career and deductions are always on the HERE and NOW and with context AT THAT TIME.

When Osimhen was at Wolfsburg he was very poor he played a few games and after that was relegated back to the youth team to learn.

My suspicion is that player coming from Nigeria academies in general not all but many will be lacking in a number of areas including technical ability and understanding. They are very raw so to speak.

On arrival at s good football academies there wellbeing many gaps in their football education.

Tyrone Mings England defender was released by Southampton as a 16 year old teenager he was considered too small. A year later he had grown 6 inches. Did Southampton make a wrong decision in the context of AT THAT TIME it was the right decision.

Forgiveness deduction was absolutely correct taken in the context of AT THAT TIME.

wayodude:
Who did a 21 year old Drogba, Costa, or Lukaku ever scare in the Premier League. In fact who did they scare at 21 in any league?

Actually Lukaku started bossing every league he has played in from age 16.

Subzero047:
Iheanacho scored 10 goals this season while playing crumbles of minutes what makes you think he won't score 20 while playing 38 full matches against easier opposition?

He played 20 games in the EPL and scored 5 goals.

Subzero047:

Iheanacho averages almost a goal a game in the premier league but he won't score 40 in 60 the Turkish league

KC has played total of 117 games in the EPL and has scored 21 goals. So how did you arrive at that proposition.

barackodam:
Of course. To preach your agenda, it doesn't work in the EPL.

And in the next paragraph where you admitted it works, you said "because it's their gameplan"


So, aerial ball is not Lille's gameplay, abi?

It's only Burnley's

That's right....

Burnley have limited pace so they pack players into the box for the ball to be crossed in, then Wood or anybody else can get a header in to score.

You loose sight of the context which was why Osimhen gets more aerial balls and or headers than Tega.

TheSuperNerd:
Well done Danny. The truth is the truth. Tammy is good and had a very decent season but in comparison with Osimhen, I am afraid the truth cannot be altered. Osimhen takes it. Osimhen is just the better well rounded striker between the two. Debating it is b'cos agenda must try agendicate. (Thanks again Sir Chrisooblog )

Now, one particular thing that bugs me about Tammy from the stats representation you dropped is how he is so tall and doesn't turn it into a major weapon. Standing at 1.90m mehn... You should be using that as part of your major weapons to disturb opposing teams. If Tammy can "up" his aerial prowess, he will be close enough to being a beast. Right now, he is just not there. Osimhen at 1.86m trumps him aerially and is already a young monster against opposing sides. Osimhen strikes fear into defences with his pressing, aerial prowess, speed, aggresiveness and more. Osimhen is also technically astute. Tammy is technical too but needs to work on maximising his height advantage.

Manchester City does not have aerial prowess, why because they keep the ball on the ground and have the technicians too dominate any team filled with 7 ft footballer.

Chelsea is not the same but they don't play a game based on aerial prowess. Lille on the other hand continously drop the ball behind defenders for Victor to run on too.

That tactic will not work in the EPL in the much weaker French league a very big yes. Burnley play a strategy that requires them to have the ball in the air, and as such score more headed goals. Indeed they use the strategy of headers to control the midfield.

Tega Abrahams is very tall and most times jumps into the air and controls the ball with his chest getting more control indeed he is so good at it he often uses chest control to pass the ball. I dont think Victor can do that.

Victor is not overly technical, his skill set is based primarily on pace and aggression, good positioning in the box, anticipation as well.as finishing. Attributes that will work in French league but not in the EPL. His one on one dominance is based on pace not skill.

Indeed the EPL is evolving and moving away from the kick and rush ball over the top approach.

Finally, that aggression will work in the French league that's not so intense and physical. He is not going to scare any defender in the EPL nobody is going to be scared of him. He is not a Drogba, or a Costa or a Lukaku. He will have to use something else, what that is, l don't know.

mostob:
So Osimehn doesn't possess those qualities too abi? Now,if this is coming from another moniker against Tammy,you will be shouting Prejudice yen yen yen.

The context is comparison, and it's the degree comparative proficiency. Nobody said he does not but the degree to which he does. The dribbling of Pépé is not the same as Kalu, it very simple comparison

Taking each of these particular individual player attributes, tell me one in which or several that Victor Osimhen is better than or exceeds Tega with. That's the QUESTION ❓ ❓ ❓

In your opinion.

Edopesin:
Tammy Abraham is not a team player but he has better Pass Success and has more goals in less minutes and also coming from the bench 9 times

While Osimhen has better shots per game which is understandable considering the teams he plays against and slightly better in aerial duals

So...?

The aerial duels is still assumptive if taken in context.

How many times do you see Chelsea launching the ball in the air. The ball is predominantly on the ground.

Next context Lille often play the ball in the air over the defenders for Victor Osimhen to run in behind the defenders. It works in French league one, because thier defenders are not as fast as EPL defenders.

If you look at Burnley they score a lot of headers and they win a lot of aerial duels because that's their game plan. How many times will you see city giving aerial balls with theit short forward players. Nonetheless, very short Raheem still scored 20 goals in the EPL.

Danielnino00:
So going by your logic, Tammy had a better season than Mbappe,Neymar,Icardi,Ben Yadder,etc and all those who play in France abi?
He had a better season than Haaland,Lewandowski, Sancho,etc because they play in a league rated lower than the premier league abi?
It's alright..

No l did not say that.

But when we look at Mbappe he scored 18 goals from 20 games. Neymar 15 games 13 goals. Then Victor 27 games and 13 goals. It is very obvious they are on a different level.

You are just being mischievously contentious.

sheyishemba:
what your definition for technicality
abegiii no dey put that word and Tammy together ohhh

Technical ability, first touch, one on one domination, Skill and dribbling, positional awareness, two feet proficiency, shooting and general unpredictability and yes you could add BLISTERING PACE.

ugo4u:
Assorted Armoured vehicles. Them gather am plenty of which they don't make use of it especially now that they have a pact with the Israelis...

You know there are some equipments that are essentially obsolete and no longer fit for purpose.

Jordan has a lot of historical armoured vehicles.

They have over a 1000 M113 APC from the 1960's and a quite a few hundred Chieftain MBT's. The Chieftain is better than the Mk3 Vickers that we have. If l recall correctly there were huge problems with the reliability of the diesel engines. The M113 isn't what we need, it's slow and not mobile and tracked and it's mine protection is close to nonexistent.

My suspicion is we may also get the S. African Ratel which they have in considerable numbers. Another relic from the 1970's. Nonetheless, very
effective in insurgents attrition warfare and are a 1000 times better than our Toyota gun trucks.

If we could get 500 Ratels particularly the larger troops carrying IFV it would change compleote the dynamics on the battlefield.

It is better in my opinion than a BTR80.

I don't know why we just don't come off our high horse and giant of Africa posturing and go straight to SA. Ask for assistance and get as much equipment for pennies that we need.

If l know this l am sure the NA top brass should as well. The Ratel is very rugged, reliable with its German Man diesel engine, with a range of over a 1000km. I am almost certain the fire control system has been updated, and if it hasn't it's not difficult to do. So it should have precision weaponry night and day. There are a number of variants 20mm, 90mm., etc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJlIbd7B_iM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8C4bodn7k

If we were to ask nicely we might get a donation from the SA. If you look at the news clip below you can see that 354 were sold for R1.1 million that's essentially nothing.

They donated 500+ Similar trucks to Uganda a lot of them are armoured and are quasi MRAP'S. Much better than riding in the back of a low loader and or big yellow dumpster.

adamx23:
You must not criticize everything. I've never seen you giving kudos even when it's deserved. At least for the people risking their lives, sometimes a word of encouragement could go a long way. Peace..

Please give me some instances where l did not give commendation and or recognition when it has been deserved.

IDENNAA:
I just sit down and watch the two play and my best is Osimhen based purely on their quality and product.

It seems you are clearly biased.

If not you should be able to state all the core attributes that he has that are better and or superior to Tega.

You have watched both of them play, you should know what the units of measurement are to come to such a conclusion.

Edopesin:
I read through the biased write up and he never mentioned the matches

Haaland offers nothing else on the pitch and he is better than any young striker you want to bring to the table, do you also have the same thoughts towards him? I seriously doubt

As a team player Osimhen doesn't have more assists than Tammy and how many goals has he scored as winger to confirm that he is versatile?

Osimhen has limited technical ability and cannot play wing to a good standard.

I am not sure if Tega can play Wing although he is technically more astute than Victor.

Danielnino00:
You avoided this



*Average rating at the end of the season*

Tammy - 6.8
Osimhen - 7.0

You avoided the very pertinent comparison of league quality.

It's possible for someone to have a 9.2 score in the Latvia league but that doesn't make the player immediate better quality than someone with 4.6 in La Liga.

Being rated in the French league does not equate to being rated or on par with the EPL.

Danielnino00:
Read through the comment again....you will find your answers there..

Aside work rate, Osimhen is also more versatile than Tammy.. he has played on the flanks before... Has Tammy?

But then,having a better work rate itself alone proves a lot of things..
I mean,aside being a good goal poacher,what other thing does Tammy offer on the pitch? A striker that does nothing other than scoring goals will fade off quickly when his goals dry up..

That's assumptive preference based on nothing but your opinion.

You still have not been able to give the attributes that make Osimhen better than Tega.

TheLoneCitizen:
Head-to-head susbstition is not a conclusive stat, my good man.

When starting, Tammy has the same whoscored rating as Osimhen. Substituted players generally get bad ratings, but yet he still compares favourably with Osimhen with less subs. This means Osimhen has been tolerated on his bad days unlike Tammy.

Osimhen has failed to score in 15 starts, compared with Tammy's 16. But Osimhen is still tolerated.

Osimhen's longest goal drought is 4 consecutive starts, same as Tammy. But Osimhen is still tolerated.

Osimhen is better than Tammy, but substitution is not an indicator of quality.

There is limited quality in Lille, they have nobody to substitute him for. As a consequence he cannot be substituted.

There next best Striker is a retiree from the EPL who could no longer cut it and that's about 3/4 years ago.

IDENNAA:
Well , we are looking beyond tap-ins, the over all impact needs to be taken into account. Osimhen is a complete baller. I don't need statistics to know that.

In what way.