₦airaland Forum

andrew444:
Ibe is not good enough to play for the eagles.

This is simple and clear

Football is a short term career that has so many twists and turns ups and downs.

There was a time Ibe was rated more than Raheem and playing regularly for Liverpool as a 18 year old teenager. The accolades were never ending.

But look at him now at that time Nigeria would have killed cows and goats for him to play for the SE. Admittedly his case is different his Nigerian Father was never there he was brought up by his Jamaican step Father who has been a really good true Father for him.

OMANBALA1:
Call it whatever suits you but none of those English groomed players will bring anything of significance to Super Eagles...maybe they add dept but certainly not superior talent....by the way, you need some drop of arrogance in some occasion.

Based on objective well thought out analysis with in depth substantive appraisal.

Well done Prof you should be on the executive board of FIFA.

tbaba1234:
Once players become options for England, it will be difficult to get them. We simply can not compete. There is simply more prestige playing for England. You do not have to fight for their rights with the FA.

That is why we should get players early before England comes to the picture. Once it becomes a choice, it is hard to choose Nigeria. Nigeria does not have the pedigree of Brazil and our organization is poor.

Some players have been begging for 9ja invite now, we have not called them. Once they join a big club and England gets interested, we will start chasing them.

Agreed without reservation or question.

Can l add do you know the monetary value that is added to and prestige by playing for England.

Just endorsements can go into Millions of £££ l am not sure how much Rashford gets now but it will substantially more than before. See screen shot.

When l explained that a player cannot make a public declaration of change of allegiance when you are an established England youth international. That will destroy your prospects of getting a long term lucrative endorsements and contracts.

Unfortunately many find it hard to believe playing for Nigeria will not get you lucrative endorsements as compared to playing for England.

You have to be wise that's why Dominic Iorfa had to be diplomatic and say he will commit at 23 but it's been totally misconstrued here. Just in the same way it's misrepresented that Tega insulted Nigeria.

chucs:
I'm a Chelsea fan but to be honest, Osimehen is better than Tammy. I dont get it why folks here are disturbing themselves about him and should he get 10 caps for England,he brought it upon himself cuz he saw the signs when he was racially abused recently.

As for Tomori, I just pity him cuz he is not built like a CB though makes that up with his pace and awareness but ones someone who is taller comes up,he is gone.

What i'm saying in essence is that they may not last long with the three lions but I wish them the best. Agbolahor and Ibe comes to mind.

Can you to be honest give your honest objective comparison assessment on how you came to that conclusion.

Using some sort of balance score card method explain, without emotive sentiment please.

Even asking this question to many here is like putting a red flag to a bull.

andrew444:
I will never respect such nonsense, as if the players there are better

The issue is not better because better is not a static variable but a moving one. You may start late but still catch up or not all as the case maybe. You can become better but you are not better because you say so.

In the EPL academies they start selecting players
at the age of U6 with a training programme. By the age of U8 they train 4 times a week minimum 2 hours it's competitive training. I know one academy that had the former assistant manager of a Brazilian football club to head the U12 development. With emphasis on technical ability.

That training only increases in intensity and competitively as they get older. They go on tournaments across Europe at least 3/4 times a year.

If you have not been in that set up you will struggle. Therefore to overcome you have to bring something that you can't get by training. God given talent like JJay or blistering pace like Aghahowa, diligence and determination, etc

Now put on par the players nurtured here in Nigeria and let's not even talk about football age.

Who do you think then will have clear competitive advantage❓

Why do you have so many athletes as well as footballers of African origin representing different countries and playing at the top level.

Pele said an African team will win the World cup to some that already happened when France one the cup.

NGRsenate:
My own is they should be careful with their designs. They don’t want to be entangled in a lawsuit with any big auto maker

These vehicles are all made in China but branded with the name Innoson.

If they are made in Nigeria where was the steel pressed and cut. Who made the Engine, etc.

If you have up too 10% local content that will be very surprising.

If you wish to start your own car manufacturing plant sorry car ASSEMBLY plant then just pau the Chinese and they will copy anything you like under your brand SENATE.

Kog45:
I got your point but fact still remain that you are talking as a fan not as Osimehn.

as i said your No1 could be valid, playing against Chelsea is massive.

No2,off the mark,Tammy and Osimehn are not rivals

..but nairaland SE section rivals(Tammy)Kokmne vs (Osimehn) Thesupernerd.

Just damn happy for the two young guys.

But l made that clear from the beginning in my first post on this subject.

But the discussion always become a contest between Nigerian origin players and Nigerian born and nurtured players here.

Particularly if l comment which is understandable in some regards but in others unacceptable when it becomes vexatious.

safarigirl:
I mean, in his post, he clearly said "RIGHT NOW, he has nothing to offer the Super Eagles"

RIGHT NOW was two years ago, and two years ago, Osimhen wasn't tearing up any leagues. That post is dated 2017, not 2019, so, he wasn't wrong if it is that post.

The Chelsea U18 talk, I barely regarded

Had to look a quite a few times, didn't believe it was you.

You must have had something different for breakfast, please share l think I need some of that.

Particularly cause it's really cold now 3 Celsius.

Have a good morning lol

TheGoodJoe:
It is not today komekn started. How hilarious the post looks now.

I expected maturity from someone who knows the game. To pick a post from two years plus ago to say my deduction was wrong is scratching the bottom of a badly burned pot of jollof.

"Na so hungree de catch you" hungree for unnecessary argument for your breakfast.

Two years ago is a very long time in the context of football.

Two years ago that was my deduction in the context of that game he played. It's there I said. " RIGHT NOW"

Go and chop some akumee with akara and wash down with five alive. Your head is out of synchronisation, U too de hungry.

TheGoodJoe:
Long story.

Point is, when a quality player gets a run of games in a good system, he will most likely excel. Mocking a player because he is on the bench shows that the person does not know that even good players can be left on the bench.

Being matter of fact is not mocking.

If you are on the bench and or not making the bench you are SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH at that time. Anything else is emotive sentiment.

Whether the manager likes you or not you can force the Managers hand by being exceptional. And if he does not play you the manager will have to leave for you.

Do you know that Alan Shearer caused Rudd Gullet to loose his job when he benched him.

TheGoodJoe:
Not given a run of games because Osimhen was below the pecking order over a legend like Mario Gomez does not mean he was not good. As soon as he had a run of games, he showed quality.

My opinion at that time remains unequivocally the same.

Football is a very short term career and matters are not judged in the long term but the hear and now.

At that time he would have not made any top premier league academy. A player who was not getting any games in lowly Wolfsburg will turn up at Chelsea and or Arsenal and walk straight in very much doubt it.

The idea that a player is dead in one but becomes alive in another is a common phenomenon. It is not unique to Osimhen and it will not stop with him it is also vice versa. On fire alive in one club but dead in another.

That is why players must be very very wise and thoughtful about the club's the transfer too. Many a big money transfer has seen the death of players.

Look at how Gnabry has embarrassed Arsenal and made them to look foolish. But that's football my friend nobody really knows , ONLY GOD.

Icon4s:
I wish same but don't be too quick. Football can be crazy at times. These two may even fizzle out and another duo may be the ones leading the attack. I have seen this happen over time. Some people almost killed me on this thread years back because I said same about Iheanacho.
Let's just be taking the games with them as they come.

I have seen this phenomenon so often it's almost guaranteed for players to have dips in form.

We have seen players that clubs have paid £20 million plus ➕ within a few years completely dead. This is even more pronounced with youth players.

It takes a few seasons for a player to get consistency. And then to maintain top consistent performances another challenge.

A few years ago Benteke was ahead of Lukaku and Origi. He was bought by the so called improver of players Rogers and inherited by Klopp.

Today Benteke is a mere shadow of his former self. Meanwhile Origi who was considered surplus to requirements and ridiculed has become a mainstay in the team for Liverpool and celebrated.

The list is endless.

safarigirl:
Nigeria's laws do not supercede international laws, as regards nationality.

Anybody without a Nigerian passport, will not be regarded as a Nigerian in the international moo in community. You may even be born and bred in Nigeria, but you will be identified with the passport you possess on the international front. When Pius Adesanmi died in the fatal Ethiopian plane crash last year or so, he was listed as Canadian, because he had a Canadian passport. A certain actress, Hannah John-Kamen, has a Nigerian dad and Norwegian mum, but she is British.

At most, Tammy would be of Nigerian-origin, but as long as he has an English passport, he is English.

It seems your knowledge of immigration law is very limited.

I will like you to think and pause and consider what you have written and the presumptuous supposedly informed deductions you have made.

Now do you know how many Nigerian SE players current and past have Foreign that is non Nigeria. passports ❓ You clearly do not know.

By my own estimation you will find near 70% plus have non Nigerian passports. Therefore according to you most of our SE players are not Nigerian.

And you are a lawyer.

Chelsea win but a big win for Nigerian players.

Osimhen had barely any chances but did very well on the header. But after that Zouma gave him no breathing space. Great heart from him.

Tammy with a goal Tomori with an assist and Willian with an excellent goal.

ChrisKels:
Put Tammy in this Lille team, and he won't register a single shot on target, but place Osimhen in this Chelsea team where chances are created with aplomb, then u harvest goals like tomatoes

I think your bias has caused you to loose your sense of reasoning.

ChrisKels:
Tammy has looked the lighter one so far, falling here and there and losing physical battles, seems he lacks that doggedness and determination innate in Osimhen. What do u think?

He's playing for fouls IMO.

chrisooblog:
bros na you be this? glad to see that you are coming around

It is me not my shadow.

I have seen something different about Osimhen and it's not about his attributes or football qualities.

For you to rise sometimes you have to be put down. He is determined and that's a huge attribute that can take you places that talent nay not.

Nonetheless, it's a real test Zouma will be getting vthe blame for that goal. So he will watch him like a hawk.

Let's see what will happen.

safarigirl:
what brought tribalism into he gist? Which tribe is Chris attacking?

You are resorting to emotive bias now

You use the exact same principle ideology on which TRIBALISM is anchored upon.

You then with shameless bigotry declare some people not Nigerian because they were not born in Nigeria or don't fit your definition of Nigerian.

Tega Abrahams, Fikayo Tomori are Nigerian whether you like it or not.

Starboytwo:
you all are begging and hoping Tammy Abraham play for us...


Me, before I don't care if he play or not, but now I don't want him near anything SE... Tomori inclusive..

Nobody begged Tega.

We pleaded with the German boys but nobody sid anything untoward about them.

Double standard.

ChrisKels:
I thought he was light weight?

Yes he is, but you can use dogged determination against a much stronger opponent who underestimates you.

The hungry man wins Osimhen is starving in this game. He scores two more goals and he is in the EPL by January.

ChrisKels:
No, not Chelsea, but, to silence u.

Again, no, not two goals by Nigerians, but one from Nigeria and the other from England

Bigoted tribalist.

What makes you Nigerian is not your place or birth or the football team you play for. It is much more than that.

It's like saying because Davido was not born in Nigeria he isn't Nigerian.

Osimhen did very well against the muscle head Zuoma to get that goal.

Not intimidated Eéeeeeee put head like person wete deh chop Yam not potato.

I like his aggression and his attitude he is hungry and a hungry man is an angry man and not easily defeated. I like the way he stepped up to Azpilicueta.


Second half is going to be very interesting.

Victor replies to silence Chelsea for now.

Two goals all by Nigerians that's just so funny

First goal scored.

Guess who scored, Warri no deh carry Las.

And on his birthday he is 22 today.

Funny one goal to Tega assisted by another Nigerian Tomori.

Naija deh boss this game NUTTIN loss.

Interesting but very encouraging three Nigerian players on the pitch.


All Could have been or should be SE players.

Danielnino00:
U surprised no one...

Game don start

But French league and EPL no be mate now.

ChrisKels:
Guess komekn, forgiveness and Joebie's prayer points since morning.........?


Oh yes u guessed it right. They av bn praying "that Osimhen doesnt outshine Tammy today"

The battle is not between Tega and Victor.

But Victor against quality defenders possibly for the first time in his career against EPL defenders.Of which one of them has the very real possibility of playing for Nigeria. I am talking about Tomori Fikayo.

These are fast defenders who are use to playing against fast strikers but also very physical and skillful strikers.

Osimhen will have to use more than raw pace against Zuma and Tomori. He will need to find some skill and trickery. He will need to get some service and his finishing will have to be on point.

I can't see them beating Chelsea although football can be unpredictable.

On the other hand Lille defenders willl find in Tega Abrahams everything they don't want to face Pace, trickery and skill, Aerial dominance and finishing with a good degree of physicallity.

Who wins IMO Chelsea.

TheSuperNerd:
There is nothing misleading. Dembele was making the numbers in Scotland yet he never had a chance of getting a look in at international level. He was making the numbers and rumors of EPL persisted but what happened? Nothing. All was hogwash. If he indeed was offered 50 million and the offer was concrete then what stopped him making the jump??

He made the move to France eventually and for how much abeg?? 50 million? Looll

Good thing is he is now making the numbers again at Lyon and guess what? Scouts from the Big 4 leagues are now keenly hovering around the lad. How come such concrete interest didn't come his way while in Scotland? Only rumors and hogwash news.

The point is simple. Dembele in France is now getting better attention and taken far seriously than when he was in Scotland. Nothing misleading about that.

I know you a Dembele fanboy naa. Have you forgotten I used to tag you Dembele's Uncle? Back then when you walked in here and always had good things to say about the lad while you talked down our Nigerian youngsters. Indeed you have come a long way. Lol.


And I insist that what Ojo has achieved is basic. A 38 year old Defoe is tearing that lowly league to pieces. Week in, week out Defoe is still scoring in Scotland. Ojo as an attacking winger has to do more than he has done and his performances have been nothing spectacular at all. He had not had a storming game this season. Just basic and decent showings here and there. I know because I have taken the time to watch some of his games. And Villarreal struggling with Rangers is the point you wanna make? I guess Real Madrid struggling with Club Brugge also shows how really strong Belgium too must be and remember the Belgian league is classes above the Scottish league on the UEFA league strengths ratings. No.8 is not on same level with No.19.

Defoe is 36 and he would score goals in any league in the world irrespective of location and or style of football. Even now he walk straight into the SE. I guess his because he has never had football age he is still able to perform.

I have known Dembele for a long time right from when Fulham bought him from PSG. That meant I had a relationship with a number of people at Fulham and still do.

Emphasising and highlighting the exceptional attributes of a player. Does not mean pulling down others. I will say it again this kid was exceptional at youth level far and above all his peers. It was almost like he could slow the game down and play how he wanted. His finishing was just exquisite.

I have been to so many if his matches and right there met top EPL heads of recruitment not just the scouts. Then the lower EPL teams were dreaming about having him on loan.

Dembele was on the radar of every single EPL club but Fulham were greedy too wanting to get a huge payback. That greed resulted in him going for next to nothing to Celtic, Rogers convinced him and he wanted to develop further.

There was nothing sentiment based and or emotive about my view on Dembele. It was completely OBJECTIVE. He was the best youth player striker l have ever seen up close and personal.

However, you construed it to mean l was pulling Nigerian players down.

Dembele could be back in the EPL this January that will not be a suprise, he has never been off the radar of EPL clubs.

Joebie:
My position has always been showing interests in Nigerians groomed abroad should not stop you from devoloping football domestically. The NFF, club management and all stakeholders in this need to be proactive.

It’s not a lot of work to court foreign bred players. compared to the enormous work needed to get our system working at home. The NFF on their part are only following the fastest way to get results. They are being lazy and not looking at the big picture - the huge potential in our homefront. Delayed gratification is not in their dictionary. Clubs as well are not looking to the future. In my opinion, I think it’s the general mentality. People want money sharp sharp.

Agreed without reservation or question

You just summarised the Naija mentality, remember 50 cent. "Get rich or die trying" l would add to that demonic proposition in the context of Naija Quick quick.

charlesemeka85:
Well that's for u, the Scottish league is not as bad as people see it and players have got big moves straight out of the Scottish league.

Talent doesn't hide itself, once a player is good no matter the league eyes will be on him.

He is decent but have to do more to get a chance in the super eagles.

Barcelona once bought a striker from Celtic and where did the best Defender in the world and most expensive until recently come from Van Dyke.

tbaba1234:
Stoke is bottom of the Championship. They lost again today. Etebo played 90 minutes.

Only 2 points after 10 games.

Etebo needs to get out or he will be in league 1 next season.

This is a bitter reality of football.

If your team is not playing well incidentally it's difficult for you to play well and be recognised. Although not impossible just very difficult.

Stoke will not be the first EPL team to drop into league one after a two seasons. Sunderland is another example.

As it stands it will be difficult for him to get a better club in England possibly in the Bundesliga, Seria A or La Liga.

Couldn't help but notice one very young Nigerian player playing for Reading against Fulham in the midfield.

His name is Michael Olise looks like Delta Ibo name l could be wrong. He is 17.