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Emusan:
Thanks for your compliment.



This part is still where confusion lies, but let me put it this way this time maybe you can get my point.

The LAW only recognized Levi tribe to be performing some tasks unto God which TITHE is among but this LAW that placed this AUTHORITY on Levi ONLY must be change since THE NEW PRIEST won't come from that tribe.

So it was the LAW that ALLOWED ONLY Levi to be PRIEST that was disannulled which means another PRIEST must arise and this priest must not come FROM Levi tribe.



@bolded-The LAW or REQUIREMENT is "ONLY Levi tribe can become PRIEST in Israel"
While the task to perform as a PRIEST are: 1) Collection of Tithes, 2) Burnt Offering, 3) Sacrifice for Atonement of sin both theirs and the Israelite.

Please don't confuse the LAW with the task to perform in the office.

Remember this from my earlier post "Though I need not to read into the word of God here because it was not only REQUIREMENT about the priesthood that was set aside, as we later read from the scriptures that some other things were set aside as well which one also PREDATED the day the office of the priests were established i.e BURNT OFFERRING..."



At least Jesus had the opportunity to openly condemn Tithe but He didn't.

Of course, not only that Tithe crept to the church some centuries of non-existence, remember the 66 books you carry today was not arranged by Jesus nor the Apostles not after many centuries of non-compilation.

Methinks your mind is made up as a pro-tithe. We will go on and on without a valid statement from you to support tithing in the new covenant. It was a bit of a relief to note that you consciously conceded that "some things like burn offering was set aside. It will be out of place and rather illogical annulling an order due to its imperfection and uselessness and yet allow only one of the commandments or what you termed as tasks - tithe to continue.

With your argument, was considering how you would explain to a non-Christian Hebrews 7 vs 5, 11-13: “And those descendants of Levites who are priests are commanded by the law to collect one tenth from the people of Israel, that is from their own countrymen even though their countrymen are also descendants of Abraham.”

Let's jump to verses 11-13 : “It was on the basis of the Levitical priesthood that the law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the Levitical priests had been perfect there would be no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek not of Aaron. For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law. And our Lord of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe of Judah and Moses did not mention his tribe when he spoke of priests.”

The above passage is self-explanatory and it states clearly the relationship between the Levitical priesthood and the law given to the priest. Note the bold statements above. In vs 5, we were told that one of the laws given to the Levi priests was to collect tithe. In vs 12, we were told that when the Levitical order was changed, the law also changed. Vs 13, went on to expunge us in the new covenant from the Leviticus laws of tithing as we belong to the order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your comments. We are learning

shyna01:
I'm sorry but please what is this imperfection of the law? it seems we have two interpretations to said verse.

Please refer to my explanation ^above (quoting Emusan), paragraph 2 & 3.

Emusan:
Whether Abraham TITHE is voluntary or not is not the point I brought out from that scripture. Remember what I said before you and @koolking quoted my post was UNTIL YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES CANCELLED TITHES and both of you pointed to Hebrew 7:18 which I went ahead to show you people this particular verse wasn't talking about disannulling of tithe.

@bolded-where did I twist anything on that passage?

So if there is no record of tithe in early Church is not my point here, my point is the statement I made before you people quoted my post.

So I'm still expecting you people to show me where TITHING was cancelled in the Bible.

If the tithe was commandment to the Levitical priesthood, and you said it was the priesthood that was disanulled, then does the tithe still remain?

Here's the thing, the Levi that the tithe commandment to be given were disanulled, it therefore means the tithe itself was disannulled along with. There is no legitimate explanation that the commandment to take tithe was disannulled but the tithe remains.

The priesthood and law by which perfection could not come, are done away. A new Priest is risen and a dispensation now set up, by which true believers may be made perfect. The law which made the Levitical priesthood, showed that the priests were imperfect, frail. The better covenant brought the church and every believer into clearer light, more perfect liberty, and more abundant privileges.

In the order of Aaron there was a multitude of priests, of high priests one after another; but in the priesthood of Christ there is only one and the same. This is the believer's safety and happiness that this everlasting High Priest is able to save to the uttermost in all cases. Surely then it becomes us to desire a spirituality and holiness, as much beyond those of the Old Testament believers, as our advantages exceed theirs in the New Covenant.

shyna01:
can you explain the weakness and unprofitableness in the context of the verse?
please read verse 17 first.

The imperfection of the law renders it useless.

Here in New American Standard version - For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness

Emusan:
What I see as the major point in you people’s post is the emphasis on verse 11, 12 & 18.
@Koolking says I should read from verse 11-18 and @Pastorkun says I should start from verse 5 so that I can understand the FULL CONTEXT of the passage but I will like us to start from verse 1 so that we can both understand the FULL CONTEXT of the passage. In fact I so much love how @koolking interpreted that verse 11 as quoted “begins to draw a contrast between levitical priesthood being imperfect and the need for another priesthood in the pattern or order of Melchizedek and no longer after the order of Aaron.” BUT I disagree with your concluded part “This means that, TITHING which was one of the LAWS governing levitical priesthood was also change.” The reason why I disagree with it is that, TITHING predated the LAW and the laws was ONLY a regulation on who have right to collect TITHE which was later placed at Levi TRIBE.

Now back to the analysis of Hebrew 7:1-18
NOTE: The Bible verse will appear in color

Verse 1-3, was about the attributes of Melchizedek and the blessing he placed upon Abraham before Abraham paid Tithe of all to him: “This Melchizedek was king of the city of Salem and also a priest of God Most High. When Abraham was returning home after winning a great battle against the kings, Melchizedek met him and blessed him. Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek. The name Melchizedek means “king of justice,” and king of Salem means “king of peace.” There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors—no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God.”

Verse 4, emphasized on how the great Abraham could RECOGNISE the greatness of Melchizedek the unknown priest: “Consider then how great this Melchizedek was. Even Abraham, the great patriarch of Israel, recognized this by giving him a tenth of what he had taken in battle.”

Verse 5, is about how the priesthood was placed in the tribe of Levi who are the descendant of Abraham to collect Tithe NOT that Tithe was established through them: “Now the law of Moses required that the priests, who are descendants of Levi, must collect a tithe from the rest of the people of Israel, who are also descendants of Abraham.”

Verse 6, emphasized on how Melchizedek who had not his ORIGIN in Abraham or his linage could collect TITHE from Abraham himself whom even the linage of PRIESTS who collected tithe was placed: ”But Melchizedek, who was not a descendant of Levi, collected a tenth from Abraham. And Melchizedek placed a blessing upon Abraham, the one who had already received the promises of God.”

Verse 7 -8, point out that, Melchizedek has POWER to bless as he blessed Abraham which means he is far greater than Abraham, and most importantly the Levitical priest are just human as they die and another priest is being raised to continue in collection of TITHE but Melchizedek LIVES forever which means his own collection of tithe continues: “And without question, the person who has the power to give a blessing is greater than the one who is blessed. The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.”

Verse 9-10, these verses made it clear that even the CHOSEN Levite priests who collected tithe ALSO paying tithe indirectly to Melchizedek as a result of what Abraham did: “In addition, we might even say that these Levites—the ones who collect the tithe—paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him. For although Levi wasn’t born yet, the seed from which he came was in Abraham’s body when Melchizedek collected the tithe from him.”

Verse 11, though this verse needs an in-depth attention because without that, verse 12 couldn’t be understood. The main point here is that, the LAWS which is to govern who can collect Tithe, how Tithe should be collected and what to Tithe was based on the PRIESTHOOD of LEVI this is more evident since TITHING predated the govern laws and not that TITHING was established the very day the law was given: “So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?” So here a new priesthood needs to be established in the ORDER of Melchizedek who LIVES forever.

Verse 12, with what we understood from verse 11 above on how the LAW was BASED on the PRIESTHOOD, so since the priesthood must be change; that is, changing from mortal men priests to immortal man priest, the law THAT BASED this PRIESTHOOD on LEVI TRIBE MUST also changes because this new immortal man priest won’t come from the tribe of Levi: [color=brown]“And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.” This is more reinforced in verse 13.

Verse 13-14, since the law had placed PRIESTHOOD on Levi tribe and the new PRIEST who never comes from this tribe MUST replaced the mortal men priests then the law who established the Levitical PRIESTHOOD must also change: “For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests. What I mean is, our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and Moses never mentioned priests coming from that tribe.”

Verse 15, now that a new priest had arrived in the ORDER of Melchizedek.
1) The mortal Levitcal priests always chosen according to the law has been dissolved which means we’re no longer having a priest chosen in the law.

2) And since the new immortal priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek who collected Tithe and lives forever has appeared then TITHING continues: “This change has been made very clear since a different priest, who is like Melchizedek, has appeared.”

Verse 16, shows that Jesus as a new priest wasn’t qualified to be the priest if we should follow the requirement of the law as He did not come from Levi tribe: “Jesus became a priest, not by meeting the physical requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but by the power of a life that cannot be destroyed.”

Verse 17, And the psalmist pointed this out when he prophesied, “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”

Verse 18, this is the crucial part. It was the REQUIREMENT of chosen the PRIESTHOOD that was set aside/disannulled not TITHING itself. “Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless.” This requirement must set aside since the NEW priest isn’t going to come from Levi TRIBE.

(Though I need not to read into the word of God here because it was not only REQUIREMENT about the priesthood that was set aside, as we later read from the scriptures that some other things were set aside as well which one also PREDATED the day the office of the priests were established i.e BURNT OFFERRING but according to this verse it is only “the requirement of chosen priest that disannulled” which is the main point the writer wants to bring out by considering the preceding verse 16.)

If you’re not being paying TITHE consider these:
1) The mortal men priests have been change to an immortal man priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek.
2) One of the rites performed by Melchizedek is that he collected TITHE from Abraham even when the Levitical priesthood has not been set up.
3) So TITHING never cancelled according to this chapter rather there's an immortal priest who had replaced the mortal men priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek.

All quotations are from New Living Translation (NLT)

Quite brilliant commentary you had up there, but you still did not convince me on the tenability of tithing in the new covenant.
The annulling of the Levitical priesthood cancelled tithing and other laws emanating from that imperfect priesthood.

If you are saying, it was the priestly order ONLY that was annulled and not the accompanying laws, my question is: why is burnt offering not in practice today but only the adulterated version of tithing? Why is modern day tithing a monthly monetary subscription and not yearly/ triennial tithing in crops and livestock commanded by the same law?

It is imperative to note that neither Jesus nor the Apostles collected or preached about tithe. Therefore, tithing is irrelevant in the Priestly order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

To help you understand better, you may wish to reference your Encyclopedia history – Tithes in Christendom – only then would you realize how tithe crept to the church after many centuries of non-existence.

Respect

phayvoursky:
IF THIS IS TRUE (WHICH IT SHOULD BE); THEN THE LEADERSHIP OF APC SHOULD BE QUESTION.

Buhari SAID HE WILL MAKE JONATHAN's GOVERNMENT UNGOVERNABLE AFTER LOSING THE 2011 ELECTION.

IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT STATEMENT, NORTHERN NIGERIA WAS IN DISARRAY.

TO THE U.S MILITARY; THE ANSWER ISN'T FAR FETCHED. APC LEADERS LEAKED THE INFO THE BH BOYS.

Clap hands for yourself. You are just talking without giving yourself a break like APC and PDP. Won't you rather double check your facts before you embarrass yourself on social media. Even as am not a supporter of Buhari, It's a diservice crediting that statement to him. Lawal Keita Pdp made that statement. Pls don't spread hate and stop being a sensational journalist

ETHIX:
I write this piece with a mixed feels and also sad how the devil has manipulated us through ignorance.

I got a very good job around 2008 which by the grace of God am still doing now. I find it very difficult and believed without my tithe the church I attend can still function well. Also my tithe is above the minimum wage I see no reason why I should pay tithe and it doesn't bother me. Yes! I do charity, I give people money sometimes even above my tithe but most times below it.

3 years later I got married, I was happy but something g happened along the line, my wife had 3 miscarriages within a year of marriage and am always in debt despite my huge monthly income. There were usually someone I was owing.

We went to church to pray, went for deliverance and fasted several days after confirming from the hospital that we are both ok medically.

After a year of fruitless effort to get the fruit of the womb, I tot to my self that am gonna pay my tithe no matter what but something kept telling me not to pay cos of my outstanding debt but I refused to listen to the word cos I wanted to know if not paying my tithe has any implications. Sincerely and honestly, the following month my wife got pregnant and we were shocked! We did not celebrate it thinking it would still come down like the previous ones. But when we calculated the LMP we realised it was the week I paid my tithe the previous month my wife took in. We did not inform any body about the pregnancy.

The following month I paid my tithe, settled my debts and was able to save 25 percent of my salary. The following month I saved 45 percent. Today after paying my salary I still save up to 45 percent of my salary and I don't owe instead people are owing me.

9 months later my wife gave birth and we were so happy.

well, anybody may refrain or avoid tithe by quoting the bible to support their claim. My life got a meaning when I started paying tithe. Tithe will open doors where u least expect and get u happiness money cannot buy.

Please think about it

Good for you if you believe your turnaround was as a result of paying tithe. That still does not approve of tithing. The Bible never support tithing. An unbeliever prospers because he has faith and unquenchable believes in his skills and competencies. So things work for us according to our believes. Personally I believe in giving, charity and not tithing. Tithing is a grand deception use by modern day so called men of God to rip members and amass wealth

Hope6289:
Okay but that was their own kind of income in those days and ours in these days is money but anyway, when God's truth is revealed, we'll all understand things we need to. Until then, I'll keep tithing, not because I have to but because I want to.

I will rather, you give to your unfortunate neighbor than to he who has already in full. There is more dignity and bravery in making a change in someone who needs financial help than he who feels it's your conditional obligation. The choice is yours.

Thanks for your opinion. Someone has learnt a thing.

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Thought Massob had their own autonomous country in Nigeria. A real Biafran will tell you he is not a Nigerian. Then what business does massob has with Nigeria's affair? Or are they speaking as foreign friends of Nigeria?

You helped no one. You ain't a superman.

It was all a set up. If you can identify those guys who feigned rape, you could arrest those girls.

Hoes are desperate and will do anything to grab your money

Emusan:
Did he say he still sacrifices animal?



Where



UNTIL YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES CANCELLED TITHES.

Jesus and His Apostles never concerned themselves about tithing as a necessity for God's blessing. Rather, Jesus emphasized on giving and love for our neighbours as Christ loves us.

Please at your quiet time, study Hebrews 7 vs 11-18 with the spirit of discernment, you will be glad you did.

Hebrews 7:11 begins to draw a contrast between levitical priesthood being imperfect and the need for another priesthood in the pattern or order of Melchizedek and no longer after the order of Aaron.

Hebrews 7:12 mentions when the priesthood (of Levi) is CHANGED, there MUST also be change of the law. The question is what law MUST be changed? It is the entire law governing the Levitical priesthood that is changed? If the priesthood is changed from order of Aaron to order of Melchizedek, this change MUST also necessitate change of law governing the priesthood of Levi\Aaron. This means that, tithing which was one of the laws governing levitical priesthood was also changed.

shyna01:
can you quote where Jesus Christ or anyone in the bible condemned/abolished tithing?

Hebrews 7:18. "For there is verily a DISANNULLING of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof". This is the verse that CANCELS tithing in the New Testament under the covenant of Grace of our Lord Jesus.

shyna01:
can you quote where Jesus Christ or anyone in the bible condemned/abolished tithing?

Can you quote where Jesus Christ or anywhere in the New Testament that asked Christians to pay tithe?

I am a staunch believer in 'giving' and 'charity' and strong opponent to tithing, as I believe tithing is an annulled practice. We belong to the order of Priesthood of Jesus Christ and not Aaron (to whom tithe law was made). The New covenant also expunged us from tithing.

It is sad and absolutely disturbing to find that people are still hoodwinked, intimidated into tithing.

Below are some unbelievable truths about Tithing. You can add yours

Abraham never tithed on his own personal property or livestock.

Jacob wouldn’t tithe until God blessed him first.

Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and there are no Levite priests today.

Only food products from the land were tithable.

Money was never a tithable commodity.

Christian converts were never asked to tithe anything to the Church.

Tithing in the Church first appears centuries after completion of the Bible.

Jesus Christ never tithed while he was living among men. If tithing was a necessity He would have emphasized on it.

Tithing is mentioned only three or four times in the New Testament
Luke 11.42, Luke 18.12, Matthew 23.23 Jesus criticized the Pharisees not for tithing, but for treating tithing as more important than mercy, love, justice and faithfulness. Hebrews 7.1-10 The fact that Abraham was blessed by and gave tithes to Melchizedek illustrates the superiority of Melchizedek and Jesus Christ over the Levitical priesthood. “when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also". Hebrews says that the old covenant is obsolete. The package of laws that commanded tithes to be given to the Levites is obsolete.

Humans should honor God by voluntarily returning some of the blessings he gives them through giving and charity — this is still a valid principle.

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Can you imagine the bravery introducing her to a panel or friends. Lmao#

Dahjhi:
Her madness nor get part2. But come o she done porpular be dat ?

I tell ya. She got the needed attention she yearned for.

smakati:
Aww she beat me to it

Not she, he. You can still contribute

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The Colombian in a recent television interview said: “I started looking for a name that nobody had in Colombia, or the world, so I thought about ABCDEFG HIJKLMN OPQRST UVWXYZ.

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This propaganda of winning war on terrorism on media should stop. It does not help our country. Lies and propaganda will never serve us. But justice and truth will always prevail.

Where is the victory? Where is the respite for the northern Nigerians? Just this last Tuesday 24 Feb, bomb blast in Kano killed over 20 people. And we are here showing pictures of soldiers at informal debriefing somewhere claiming victory over bokoharam.


We should not swallow hook and line everything read or seen on media. They are all hoax, censored and mischievous.

...if the goal posts were not St. Leo's sugar packs, the game isn't the real deal

It's not a direct job interview. It's an Independent Sales Agent interview. Jumia has devised means to push its products and services to all corners of the Nigeria through people instead of paid advert. The agents in turn takes commissions on each products sold.

It's the sort of job that takes patience and perseverance.

Scaling the school fence during class hours to Cinema to watch Rambo I & II blood and Ninja movies.
Keeping bad company is bad I tell ya. My first experience. I defiled the threat that Police raids cinemas sometimes and arrest visitors, because I was emboldened by accomplices

What is this Op saying?

"she is giving you green light, she is ugly and fat, you like her as a friend, you want to break up with her without causing hatred". What are you breaking up? You have never aired your feelings to her. Not even a mutual relationship. I am wondering what you are breaking up. How old are you dude?

emusmith:
5. Three girls in a room having three different TV set.[/b]

Because of malice? I wouldn't know. They just don't wanna share what they have. Their pride wouldn't let them.

Above caught my attention. How on earth would 3 people in the same single room own 3 TV sets? Sounds weird

Trust me, FRSC will always check your tires to see if you are running on expired tires. Ensure you are always on the right side of the law.

Nairaland Moderators are becoming lazier and childish as day goes by.

Why would trivial issues like this make front page? It's very appalling and disgusting. The reason a lot of folks see NL as kids playground

The Defence HQ is already an embarrassment to Nigerians for stooping to be used by political parties for individuals selfish gains. For failing abysmally in securing lives and properties in the current threat by bokoharam.

Their embarrassing involvement in party politics evidence in the manner they handled Buhari's certificate saga. The Defence Headquarters has made the Nigerian military a cheap bowl for common spit in African committee of nations. The Nigerian Army used to be strategic in African peace endeavours, but it's now an institution of mockery, disdain, white elephant and personal bulldogs.

They have no moral justification to insult OBJ for acting out his script. They should get their acts together before insulting its former general.