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This certainly appears like a random act of robbery, and hopefully nobody is contemplating any reprisal attacks anywhere. We need to calm down, and remember that the politicians (North or South) will never get in the streets or be near the carnage. @ndu_chucks Source? ndu_chucks: |
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Saturday, 23 April 2011 00:00 From John Akubo (Dutse) and Seye Olumide (Lagos) News - Nationalhttp://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45672:nysc-withdraws-corps-members-from-jigawa-guber-polls-&catid=1:national&Itemid=559 |
So? He can't help a woman that is about to lose her balance stay up again. ![]() He doesn't deserve to be governor of Delta State - I don't think, but you 'll have to do better. . . Ileke-IdI:@Ileke What's with you and that photo now? See better sample here if you need more explanation https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=554179 ![]() |
Now which group are you talking about - the Hausas, the Igbos, the Yorubas, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Arabs, the Indians, the Caucasians or the whole of INSANE humanity - because each of the foregoing engage in repeated pattern of bloodletting at different levels according whatever they think is "worth it". This same silly argument that "a certain collective mental dysfunctional state is in operation among them." is the same that gets easily translated into Africa's backwardness is genetic, built into the brain and all sorts of other crazy explanations. If I remember correctly, when you are not blindly defending the Nigerian government you rail against such explanations of African underdevelopment. So what's your excuse here. Rossikk: |
Seconded. As Yorubas would say: "Ba ba nja, ki se bi ka ku", that is, being displeased with his recent political moves does not mean we wish him death or evil. In fact, Pastor Bakare has done nothing wrong with his politics, although he has engaged in some overzealous campaign rhetoric. Still, words can be powerful and we must all watch what we say, especially in a pluralistic nation as Nigeria. Omooba77: |
Quote from NL GenBuhari (A Supporter of Gen. Buhari who thinks NL polls were a credible gauge of the national elections): "I know in a free and fair elections Buhari was the rightlful winner." This statement shows the kind of naivety or delusion or both under which Gen. Buhari and his supporters operate. Although having contested the presidency two previous times, by the time of this election Gen. Buhari was again contesting under a party with no political base - no governors, no assembly men, no local council chairman. That first of all shows you that Gen. Buhari: 1) seems to care only about himself and himself only in the presidency; 2) is not a person that can work by finding common ground among a diverse set of peoples/nationalities - that is a lot since we are talking about Nigeria. Okay, with no real base in the north Gen. Buhari came down south to seek support, with the same attitude. Is anyone suprised then that he could not work out a deal with ACN? Instead, he settled for another non-politician with almost no political base in the SW as his VP. After all these missteps, he blames ACN - ACN was supposed to throw away all their hard-earned relevance down-south to put Buhari in the presidency? Examine yourself General. He went into the election talking all kind of jazz about lynching people who rig, on the one hand. On the other hand, the same violence-talking Gen. Buhari foreclosed the only legal means to challenge an election by calliong our judiciary system as a waste of time. He had nothing to say about the obvious underage children that filled up the north's voter numbers and their caught-on-camera-voting in both elections. To be sure, PDP probably benefited from underage voting in the elections as well. This is the kind of open illegality that northern politicians have visited on Nigeria over and over again -the practice of extreme sharia, a senator openly challenging the constitution by marrying a 9-year old, Yar'adua's unconscionable absentee presidency/Turai dominion, and the behavior of the NPLF in the lead-up to the elections are just a few other examples. Does anyone think that if a northerner were president and a southern presidential candidate talked violence before the elections that candidate would not be under arrest already - even if only house arrest? Especially after refusing to call for calm until precious lives were already lost after the elections. Gen. Buhari is not a nationalist by any yardstick. Not to condone the vote inflation that occured in the SS&SE, but without that excess zealousness on the part of PDP (basically to avoid a run-off) Gen. Buhari actually stood no chance of winning, or getting a runoff for that matter - unless "spending political capital" to achieve political ends is not how politics works anymore. As I have said before, the SS&SE message was: if you 've got underage voters, we have got thumbs aplenty or as we are currently hearing, votes can easily be inflated. The north must realize the kind of indignity the rest of the nation suffers when their politician behaves like they own us all - as VP, GEJ SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TREATED THE WAY HE WAS TREATED DURING YAR'ADUA'S ILLNESS. Can anybody imagine what would have happened if OBJ had falling sick and incapacitated for an extended period? Atiku would have completely taken over the presidency, even if the constitution did not support it. Well, the corollary is that GEJ would be a dog's uncle if the north were banking on built in rigging (underage voting and the like) to win or force a runoff, and his supporters fail to reply in like manner. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me goes the saying. If we have to be a nation then people have to learn to follow rules, otherwise it becomes an animalistic do-me-I-do-you nation of chaos. GEJ had to wait for the National Assembly and the courts in order to assume office after Yar'adua's illness. Similarly, Gen. Buhari has rightly determined he was wrong in foreclosing the courts and is heading there as we speak to challenge the election. Although I would really say that he has little to no chance of winning, that is what he should do rather than banking on "lynching" mobs to reclaim his "phanton mandate". It is not suprising then that after leading a phantom party to the elections, choosing a person with phantom political base in the SW as his VP, getting trounced in the legislative elections and losing the presidential electioins Gen. Buhari's supporters have no qualms talking about a phantom "free and fair election in which they KNOW Buhari is the winner". But, this is mere scrambling to win some governorship and other seats come April 26th, so that the north's vote for CPC in the presidential election would not be clearly shown to be based on sectional interests. In reality that vote was mainly sectional in nature, and the April 26th elections will show that - PDP has substantial political capital up north, and like ACN in the SW is not going to throw it away just to make some planless General look good. For me, the fame of Gen. Buhari has always been more myth than reality - his real records are nothing to write home about. His political career is over - even if the presidential elections were to be re-done, and that is not going to happen any time soon. GenBuhari: Your work is not done yet |
Thanks, ekt_bear, I 'll create a new thread for it. ekt_bear: |
Now I see why Beaf can safely call you names. The first caveat to any online poll is IT IS NOT SCIENTIFIC!!! The IpSos poll which was scientifically designed did that GEJ will get 60% of the votes only a few days to the elections. With this kind of reasoning, GREAT THANKS TO THE ALMIGHTY THAT BUHARI FAILED TO MAKE IT TO ASO ROCK Here is a Scenario for You: - INEC Result Compared to a Case where we take 15% of PDP votes away and leave all the others alone - GEJ still wins handily!!! [table] INEC-Results % PDP Vote minus 15% % PDP 22,495,187 60 19120909 56 CPC 12,214,853 32 12214853 35 ACN 2,079,151 6 2079151 6 ANPP 917,012 2 917012 3 PDC 82,243 0 82243 0 Total 37,788,446 100 34,414,168 100 [/table] GenBuhari: @Beaf, |
Quote: "I know in a free and fair elections Buhari was the rightlful winner." This statement shows the kind of naivety or delusion or both under which Gen. Buhari and his supporters operate. Although having contested the presidency two previous times, by the time of this election Gen. Buhari was again contesting under a party with no political base - no governors, no assembly men, no local council chairman. That first of all shows you that Gen. Buhari: 1) seems to care only about himself and himself only in the presidency; 2) is not a person that can work by finding common ground among a diverse set of peoples/nationalities - that is a lot since we are talking about Nigeria. Okay, with no real base in the north Gen. Buhari came down south to seek support, with the same attitude. Is anyone suprised then that he could not work out a deal with ACN? Instead, he settled for another non-politician with almost no political base in the SW as his VP. After all these missteps, he blames ACN - ACN was supposed to throw away all their hard-earned relevance down-south to put Buhari in the presidency? Examine yourself General. He went into the election talking all kind of jazz about lynching people who rig, on the one hand. On the other hand, the same violence-talking Gen. Buhari foreclosed the only legal means to challenge an election by calliong our judiciary system as a waste of time. He had nothing to say about the obvious underage children that filled up the north's voter numbers and their caught-on-camera-voting in both elections. To be sure, PDP probably benefited from underage voting in the elections as well. This is the kind of open illegality that northern politicians have visited on Nigeria over and over again -the practice of extreme sharia, a senator openly challenging the constitution by marrying a 9-year old, Yar'adua's unconscionable absentee presidency/Turai dominion, and the behavior of the NPLF in the lead-up to the elections are just a few other examples. Does anyone think that if a northerner were president and a southern presidential candidate talked violence before the elections that candidate would not be under arrest already - even if only house arrest? Especially after refusing to call for calm until precious lives were already lost after the elections. Gen. Buhari is not a nationalist by any yardstick. Not to condone the vote inflation that occured in the SS&SE, but without that excess zealousness on the part of PDP (basically to avoid a run-off) Gen. Buhari actually stood no chance of winning, or getting a runoff for that matter - unless "spending political capital" to achieve political ends is not how politics works anymore. As I have said before, the SS&SE message was: if you 've got underage voters, we have got thumbs aplenty or as we are currently hearing, votes can easily be inflated. The north must realize the kind of indignity the rest of the nation suffers when their politician behaves like they own us all - as VP, GEJ SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TREATED THE WAY HE WAS TREATED DURING YAR'ADUA'S ILLNESS. Can anybody imagine what would have happened if OBJ had falling sick and incapacitated for an extended period? Atiku would have completely taken over the presidency, even if the constitution did not support it. Well, the corollary is that GEJ would be a dog's uncle if the north were banking on built in rigging (underage voting and the like) to win or force a runoff, and his supporters fail to reply in like manner. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me goes the saying. If we have to be a nation then people have to learn to follow rules, otherwise it becomes an animalistic do-me-I-do-you nation of chaos. GEJ had to wait for the National Assembly and the courts in order to assume office after Yar'adua's illness. Similarly, Gen. Buhari has rightly determined he was wrong in foreclosing the courts and is heading there as we speak to challenge the election. Although I would really say that he has little to no chance of winning, that is what he should do rather than banking on "lynching" mobs to reclaim his "phanton mandate". It is not suprising then that after leading a phantom party to the elections, choosing a person with phantom political base in the SW as his VP, getting trounced in the legislative elections and losing the presidential electioins Gen. Buhari's supporters have no qualms talking about a phantom "free and fair election in which they KNOW Buhari is the winner". But, this is mere scrambling to win some governorship and other seats come April 26th, so that the north's vote for CPC in the presidential election would not be clearly shown to be based on sectional interests. In reality that vote was mainly sectional in nature, and the April 26th elections will show that - PDP has substantial political capital up north, and like ACN in the SW is not going to throw it away just to make some planless General look good. For me, the fame of Gen. Buhari has always been more myth than reality - his real records are nothing to write home about. His political career is over - even if the presidential elections were to be re-done, and that is not going to happen any time soon. GenBuhari: Your work is not done yet |
I especially like this part: "ACN said the PDP simply stole more than enough for the owner to notice during last Saturday’s presidential election, forgetting that if anyone thinks he knows how to hide things, others also know how to find them. ‘’What the PDP did last Saturday was simple: They colluded with security agents and INEC officials to cook figures, which have now turned out to be their undoing because the cooking was not intelligently carried out." PDP should not think they are deceiving anyone, and should know better than to try that s.hit in the SW on April 26th. Enough word for the wise!!! ekt_bear: |
This is truly a sad day for Nigeria. Those responsible for this dastardly act must be caught and given the ultimate punishment. If people want to behave like animals they MUST be dealt with like rats. I hope President GEJ doesn't continue on the do-nothing road that he and Yar'adua travelled, and he seems to keep travelling. The NYSC must be reformed immediately or replaced with voluntary service or abrogated immediately. In lieu of that, states should refuse to send their indigenes to VIOLENT STATES - it is that simple, withdraw from the NYSC and drag the FG to court!!!! ayomifull: |
Sick MFs smooooooth: MaziUche0: |
Buhari overestimated his strength because of the fluke crowds that were following him around. Since ACN was in a stronger position than CPC after the legistlative election it asked for the VP position - the price had gone way up. If you don't understand what ACN was doing, here it is. ACN probably had a good estimation that there is no way Buhari is winning the election, and so asked for the impossible - Bakare's resignation. Anyone that knows Barkare would already know that would never happen - ever!!! As the late MKO Abiola once told a bunch of lecturers heckling him about the source of his riches being his connections: "If it is that easy, go and make your own money". In the case of Buhari, if ACN is expected to make do with little or nothing for its alliance with CPC, then CPC should go win the presidency with little or no party structure or supporter base. Bottom-line, ACN was way more informed about this political contest than CPC, and negotiated/acted accordingly. matooto: |
They are so tired of PDP that they voted massively for PDP in the previous election, AND WILL BE VOTING FOR PDP NEXT SATURDAY!!! It is not being made tribal, the rioters were begining to target non-notherners, burning churches and needed to be stopped before it becomes a great conflagration that consumers everybody. obowunmi: |
The only thing that is going to move the SW is PDP tryng that sh.it in the SW during the Governorship elections. Even the army would not be able to contain it!!! FYI, the North is going to be voting PDP next week - you guys are going to be in each others "arms" after that!!!! EzeUche_: |
Are you not being a little over-confident? You predict "there will never be a Northern led Government ever again". That is a far-reaching statement for a country that has been ruled for much of its existence by Northerners. Be careful what you wish for, we don't want a Somalia, but this kind of overconfidence can easily produce it. It is one thing to agree with the following statement "it's time for all Southern Nigerians to collude and make sure we are not subjugated in this Union", but another to basically rule out a "Northern-led government" - ever. What is your basis for such overconfidence? We are looking for people of reason. There is greatness before this country if we stop behaving collectively like a bunch animals!!! ShangoThor: Beaf: |
You are not suggesting Buhari was going to win in the SS & SE, even without rigging. Are you? Remember, PDP cleared the SS, SE & a lot of the North in the first election. If this was a real democracy, as we question the large voter turn out in the SS & SE, we will also question how everyone suddenly started voting CPC up north. We know the voting pattern changed in the SW as well, but there were two factors: 1) PDP had a respectful showing in the SW legislative election; 2) Voter turnout in the SW was not very enthusiastic. On the other hand, the SS & their latter-day SE compatriots were extremely motivated - a little too much, aka extra thumb-printing. The North did their own rigging with underage voting, but CPC does not seem to consider that rigging (plus PDP probably benefited as well). A lot of these underage voters may have been scared away by the prescence of extra-security, hence the low "voter" turnout. Either way, Nigeria is never going to work this way. ekt_bear: |
Nobody said the bolded about the first election when PDP coasted home almost everywhere up north. Nigeria is a conundrum, and our current arrangement is obviously what a lion and a tiger would come up with if they were thrown together in one room, and told to come up with an agreeable living arrangement. What does the CPC mean by the following anyway:"We will not go to court, we went to court before. We will not accept anybody who emerges winner of this election”. This sounds like two contradictory statements to me. Otherwise, they are promising something else that the mind does not want to consider - are the supporters really going to look for Kashinikovs as one responded to a reporter yesterday? ndu_chucks: |
That is partly the problem, and a lot of the underage kids probably stayed home with the deployment of the army. I actually did not like agreeing with you here (because yesterday you were unreasonably heaping on the SW), but truth is truth. It is t.it-for-tat rigging (or as NL bot would call it bossom-for-tat ) rigging. The north has always engaged in their underage voting practices, but with a willing hand in the South (aka OBJ). Unfortunately, that Southern willing hand was on the other side this time, and showed who was really the master of this art form.Nchara: |
We know that the elections were rigged by both CPC & PDP - Underage voting up north and thumbprinting down south. If you complain about one, you must also complain about the other. The real problem is our continued silliness in trying to balance a pyramid on its tip - Nigeria will never work this way. Even if the pyramid MUST be on its tip we have to come up with better arrangements for an always available three-sided support system. Buhari that truncated democracy yesterday, and didn't think to immediately conduct credible elections, is today the champion of credible elections ![]() Nigeria smells to high heavens!!! Muk-Ldn: |
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Of course I don't know this for sure. Just trying to emphasize that this was t.it-for-tat rigging (can you believe NL bot changed this to bossom-for-tat ). Pictures of both underage voters in the north and the video of that woman thumb-printing ballots in Balyesa were clear. These illegal votings were probably jacked up yesterday in favor of the parties of choice in the two areas. I don't think the underage voters stayed home up north yesterday, and it seems clear that the thumb-printers were extra-busy down south as well. Kobojunkie: |
Strange Did you hear that conversation related by the fly on the wall. You didn't hear it is:CPC: We are surely going to win this. All those underage voters would surely swell our numbers!!! PDP: Oh yeah, can they thumbprint ballots at the rate of 10 a minute? Seriously, the presidential election was a sham, sham, sham. CPC could only get good votes up north when the contest is against a southerner - what kind of party is that? I am sure the governorship election on Saturday would have only a few CPC governors inspite of yesterday's CPC performance. Really, I think this is what happened. Votes for PDP (in the SW) and CPC (in the North-North) came out early with massive numbers for CPC, but only good numbers for PDP, so PDP calculated what percentages were necessary to win outright, and got busy in the SS and SE. CPC made the mistake of leaving PDP with 25% in many of the states up North, it made the job easier for the "inflators". You got underage voters, we've got thumbs aplenty!!!!! ekt_bear: |
Now it is really in the bag. Congratulations to President GEJ Now the real work begins. As the Great Tai Solarin was quoted to have said, I say to President GEJ:"May your way be rough, may you have a hard time today"!!! He also was quoted to have finished:"If you don't know what to say, just say same to you". Solving Nigeria's problem will not be an easy ride, and we are not going to go to sleep like last time.
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Time to collect. b0dnel: |
What get go? Ojukwu himself gave your votes to IBB even before the guy declared for the presidency. We remember well the ferocious arguments you guys put up here on NL as to why IBB was the best candidate for Nigeria - only because of that one statement he made about spending one term, and having a "wish" to hand over to an Igbo man. You admit to one reason why you voted in droves for GEJ, which is that there was no Igbo on any of the tickets - this was of course supported by the rumor that Buhari rejected Okonjo Iweala as VP (forgetting of course that he had an Igbo VP candidate before). The other reason, and which tipped you completely into GEJ's corner, was the fight GEJ picked, or pretended to pick, with the SW by basically calling ACN rascals - nothing excites you guys more than a chance to join someone in a "fight" with the Yorubas. However, you forgot it is the same Yorubas that say "Even when we cry, we can still see" - that the ACN was angry with GEJ's words, which anyway sounds awfully like OBJ, did not mean ACN forgot its political onions. Nchara: |
Look below and you will see your two main reasons, both of them actually one and the same, for supporting GEJ late in the day. The same GEJ that was literally begging for support during the primaries, while you guys were after IBB's red meat. Nchara: |
You are sick. Yorubas do not hate Jonathan either because they thought he was Igbo or anything else - the man is personally well-liked in the SW, the problem was OBJ and PDP. ACN and SW wanted PDP gone specifically because of the daylight vote robbery that he carried out in 2003 & 2007, and deservedly so. If you had any sense beyond your tribalistic outlook you would realize that you are all tools in a grand scheme deeply involving the grand schemer, OBJ, himself. Several weeks before the election the following was my conclusion: "Our thieving elites have colluded as usual. The election is already over, and it is for GEJ" https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=612408.msg7803376#msg7803376. OBJ and his PDP cohorts already finished the election way before you guys joined the gravy-train. Nchara: |
Nigeria!!!! CPC & PDP boasting about how they will win - this is what a fly on the wall heard: CPC: - We have the numbers to beat you. Yes all those underage voters will surely swell our numbers. ![]() PDP: - Oh yeah, can they thumb print ballots at the rate of 10 a minute? ![]() otokx: |
One, Tinubu is not the actual voter in the SW. Two, the ACN candidate could not deliver his own state so what gives. Did he also sacrificie Adamawa for Jonathan? Nchara: |
That is what any ACN member should say b/4 the elections, but we know that the ACN presidential candidate himself is finding it difficult to carry his home state. So it seems ACN voters took the next best option, after CPC refused to play ball. Get it? aletheia: |
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