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chukwudi44:
I am waiting fo he future saint Lady of nairaland

Erh, they say curiosity kills the cat, but I cannot help but to inquire.

Saint Lady of Nairaland?

I also encountered David Copperfield on stage and beleived he could defy the law of gravity until I learnt about invisible cables and all that magical trick stuff.

While not trying to belittle your past experiences and leaving room for the fact that no one knows everything, I would just like to ask if yu're sure that you've explored all possible rational and irrational explanations for yur "experiences"? remember that the entire catholic church once beleived that the earth was flat and killed some early philosophers who dared to think differently but now even a baby who is learning how to walk now knows that the philosophers were right and the almighty church and pope who were supposedly God's ambassadors on earth at the time were dead wrong.

It is a pity we don't learn from history and keep on repeating the mistakes of our ancestors.

Abeg when someone almost dies from an encounter it is not something easily forgotten or mistaken. Scientists once believed that the earth was flat it wasn't just the catholic church. It was people. People that lived at that time believed the earth was flat. So while you are quick to shout that the Church has been wrong therefore they must be wrong, remember that not all were in the church and not all believed in God and they too didn't know. It's called being human and learning about our environment as time progresses.

It's a pity we cannot rationalize due to contempt for one another.

what does the suratul jinnus say? and when is it to be ricited?

I don't know the exact words but I do know that when a Jinn appears muslims are supposed to recite an ayat from Al-Baqarah or something like that. I know there's a story of muhammad encountering a jinn and gabriel supposedly told him something to say and the jinn or devil went away.

All this talk sef don pass my power al i can do is laugh out loud. . . . .

what makes your demonic experience more real than that of a hindu, moslem or a jew? what are angels? have you seen any? i know moslems that have claimed to have seen angels of allah, is their own encouter with angels of less value compared to that of a christains who also claim to have encountered angels? how can you as a catholic see or encounter demons when other non catholics believe the pope is amongs the demons decieving the real children of the biblical god?

I am beginning to think that you don't read posts, you just have talking points. You target those who have opposing views and spew your talking point. If you read my post you will see that my point was not to show that there are muslim demons or christian demons or hindu demons, that there are just demons, and they may be called something different in different places. So you just think that there are muslim demons, christian demons, hindu demons, and I'm saying that they are just demons.
A question u asked is that how come they only answer to the Quran (for muslim demons), the Christian prayer (for christian demons) and etc. My response is how do you know they only respond to that? Have you tried christian prayer with a muslim demon to know that they won't respond to christian prayer?

other non catholics believe in what catholics believe they just don't know that they believe in it. They won't accept that they do, it's called pride. They don't want to admit that they're wrong, so all they do is skip questions asked of them.

I would appreciate it if people who were never catholic would stop saying "I was once a catholic" in order to validate their statements. If one were once a Catholic they would know the correct teaching of the church, instead of falsele spreading things. If you didn't understand the church's teachings clearly state so.

Why do we have redundant offices?

e.g. Minister of Education, and then Minister of State, Education. What's the difference?

tpia:
and yet the jails are filled with black folks.

Funny how that white child will grow up with better anger management skills than many of the black kids.

Unless what we're saying here is black kids need to be handled with a stronger hand than white kids?

according to this every african should be in jail, because i know we beat the crap out of our kids, sheesh we invented beating. but seeing that our kids do better in school and at work, i don't see how this statement of yours could be true.

scottN:
If I remember my BK, It said after God created man be FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY. So I don't c why catholic priest are exceptions. In the religious world (and even in occult world), it is believed that sex reduces the spiritual level of men but it has been proven that men regain their spiritually after sex after they have undergone some rites and cleansing (for e.g fasting for Christians). So celibacy is just a way maintaining spirituality but not a sin if u can't practice it.

Was St. Paul mad when he chose to be celibate and asked others to do the same? Was Jesus stupid when he spoke highly of those who choose to be celibate for the Kingdom of heaven?
Whoever said not practicing celibacy is a sin?

Bastage:
They should marry and raise children.

How can you preach if you don't know about life?

Marrying and creating and raising children is the biggest lesson in life. As a single man, one knows nothing about life. One can only guess.
Why should we be preached to by someone who is only guessing?

This is the equivalent of saying that mothers are incapable of talking to their male children about manhood because mothers are not men.

I have a question for you, If you believe that Noah's story did not take place as was suggested in the bible because the bible clearly stated that it was a global flood what then happens to the rest of the stories in the bible? Do you believe in the Tower of bable story too? What do all this stories tell you about the veracity of the bible.

It tells me that these people didn't think the way we do because they didn't live in our time. And that in order for us to understand what they wrote, we have to understand how they thought. Instead of thinking how we do today, think how they did then. You will then understand what their message is.

I believe Noah's story took place, I just understand how it is he thought. I don't think he knew that the earth wasn't flat and that there were other people who lived in other places in the world. I think he thought that the world was what he could see. So the world he knew is not the world we know, so don't use the world we know as a standard to the world he knew.
It might say world, but you have to understand what world meant to him.

The Bible should be read as it was written and not as if it was written today.

Hello lady,
I think it is you who needs to do a bit of research, seriously you need to do your research, mark was written just after the temple was destroyed during the revolution and that puts it about 80 years after the death of christ, please do your research well. Matthew and the rest of the gospels were written well after mark, in fact matthew and luke copied from mark, none of them ever walked with Jesus in person, it was all hearsay, it funny that people who are christians don't even know this fact

hello chris.
Let me bring a little mathematics into this. Jesus Died around 33AD, the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, that is just little under 40 years, if it was written just after the temple was destroyed during the revolution, it would make it around 40 years and not 80 as 80 years would have been 40 years after the revolution and that is not just after the temple was destroyed.
So you see your point doesn't add up.

Here's the difference between me and you, I actually know the history, you just happen to see it in a website and run with it because it goes with what you want to believe.

Now here is the truth about Mark, it was written before the temple was destroyed, mark was written just before the year 60 AD, the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Also Mark was a disciple of St. Peter, Mark could be said to be the "Gospel of Peter" as it is written through the eyes of Peter, and Peter was very close to Christ.

You took my analogy way out of context, if your apostles and inspired writers had stopped on theological issues  maybe it would have been difficult to discredit them, but they dabbled into science too, starting from their story on creation we all know today they were absolutely wrong,  this earth was not created in 6 days, noah could not have put all the animals in the ark, he could not have even built the ark, there are so many more,they did not even know dinosaurs existed, if they were wrong on all these vital  info why would anyone trust them for the rest?

You are making the same mistake that a lot of Christians even make, taking the story of creation and Noah literally. You fail to think like those who lived at that time. Let me use Noah as an example, known fact is that there are records of floods that took place in history in the place where Noah lived.
If I were living in Noah's time, I would think that the world was what I could see, therefore only that which I could see is the world. I wouldn't think the world is round and that it is very large. I wouldn't have known that there were places like Asia and Europe (as it is called today) and that people exist there, therefore if I were to describe the world, I would speak of my surroundings, my environment.
There would have been a flood, and at the level the water rises the eyes can see "the end of the world." If you've ever been to the beach and look at the horizon it would seem that the world just ends where you see the sun setting and that that's the cut off of the earth. SO imagine how people who lived at that time would've thought. To them that would be the end of the earth, especially since it wasn't until a few centuries ago that man discovered that the earth isn't flat and science was already existent at that time, so even scientists thought the earth was flat.
So like I've always said, how about you start reading the Bible as if you lived in the time these people lived. I can only describe something as far as my mind would understand it, so they dsescribed this flood as far their mind would understand it.
Do I believe that the whole world was covered with water, no, do I believe the message that was conveyed in the story, yes. DO I understand how these people could think that the world ended as far as they could see it? Absolutely. Centuries from now, our descendants would think we were plain stupid and the "theories" or "stories" we have today would be refuted by "science"

Scientists did not even know that dinosaurs existed until they discovered the bones. I guess they were pretty idiotic too and their words can't be trusted. Do you think that science just happened to drop from the sky and that there weren't people that existed leading up to the discoveries that we have today?
Who told you that they didn't even know that dinosaurs existed, does it have to be written down that dinosaurs existed. I guess you would say that they didn't know that chickens existed because they didn't write down "chicken in my backyard"

Lol lady, you are an account and you don't know its a science? Lol seriously you don't know what management science is?

1) I do know that it is a science just as Christianity could be called a science, it can be studied and understood. But the science which we've been talking about are those of biology, chemistry, and physics. Those that you think can refute Christianity or isn't that your whole point, accountancy doesn't refute Christianity.

Again I am saying as I accountant I will not employ you as my chief medical officer, if you are a man of God who is an all knowing God and is inspired by God then you should give accurate results, if you say the earth is flat then there is a problem either you are not inspired by the so called God or there was no inspiration at all, christians cannot eat their cake and have it.
Still waiting for the achan story?

You make the mistake of thinking that the Bible was written today in our generation. Even our parents can't comprehend what we learn in school, they think within their time as we think within our time, so how can you expect them to think within our time.
Rather than thinking broadly, you are thinking narrowly and using today's standards to measure yesterday. You expect our ancestors to think like us, if that is the case then there wouldn't have been any evidence of societal progression.

Not long ago scientists thought the earth was flat, yet their intelligence was never questioned. And what do you think that in Christianity there is no science. and that we've only gone by what's in the Bible. Do more research and you will see that archaeologists and historians and scientists work well with the Vatican to discover more about out earth and about the time Christ walked the earth. This is why I have asked you to do reasearch, so before you become proud, kindly humble yourself and realise that you don't know it all, and do some research. Thank you.

I will get to the Achan story, pls keep reminding me. Thanks. I have to actually go through Josh, I don't just pick one and run with it, I look at the context.

Celibacy as defined as "abstinence from sexual intercourse, especially by reason of religious vows" is unnatural

then Jesus and St. Paul must have been mad and unnatural when they asked those who could to take vows of celibacy for the kingdom of heaven.

by the way I am now go to Jehovah's witness

oh goody u jumped from christianity to occultism, so why should your word be regarded as something?

pls if u didn't understand your faith, all you had to do was ask.

[quote author=Sea~Goddes link=topic=204059.msg3233972#msg3233972 date=1229475428]thanks, i kind of heard it was a some sort of a cult in the church[/quote]people are afraid of what they do not know. All they hear is the name, if you pronounce it it sounds like something that should be an occult especially to the ears of Nigerians, however those who speak latin would know what it is.

Ignorance is not always bliss.

I bet if you come across someone who says it's an occult what they actually do, they would scratch their heads and tell you they "heard" they would never give you an answer

This is the one I really like

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

If you've had a convo with them, you will see just how little they think and know, yet they claim to be wise.

Carlosein:
here's my order:

~lady~, by the powers confered on me by (who sef), i hereby order you to stay in bed today and tomorrow only.

failure to do so will result in your being banned from this thread (even me get power to ban you know-not only seun )

I will be at work in one hour. abeg no ban me o. I will work tomorrow and the day after I am doing a double, pls have mercy on me, no ban me o

What do u mean by we have biblical and non-biblical writings? are u saying we have non-biblical sources of the existence of jesus?
What do u mean that it is a fact that a man named Jesus walked the earth? Do you have any hard evidence of his existence? Statues?, personal writings? pictures?, other important personalities from that period have their statues or writings surviving till this day. Caesar, Josephus, Pliny, etc. Jesus did not leave a trace of evidence that he ever existed. The pictures we are fed with were drawn by renaissance artists. Even his people the jews do not accept his existence as portrayed in the Bible. The gospels were written by foreigners (romans), according the the prevailing beliefs about 60 years after the supposed death of jesus, for certain unknown rich men and authorities.

So Lady, would you say, Achilles, Galgamesh, Perseus, and sango walked the earth?

Yes the very definition of belief means accepting something without proof. Since you have no idea of science but only know how to enjoy its benefits, i will fill you in. Science starts from observation of phenomena, then accurate recording of the observation, then building of an hypothesis th explain the recorded data. If the hypothesis is able to predicts all or most conditions or recorded observations, it then becomes a scientific theory. It is the made available for anyone to test the theory.

You do not have to be there during the cambian period to know what the cambian period is like. You can study soil samples and fossils within a particular soil or rock stata to have an idea of the period named cambian period.

Yes, we were not there at the big bang and do not have sufficient proof of its existence, but it is still the most plausible explanation of our expanding universe, yes the universe is expanding in all directions (inflating), if you have other better logical explanations, i am ready to be your convert.

Your pope said God is not an inanimate object, that can be tested. Then what is it (God), is it an animate object?, is it an object at all, does he look like a man(white man of course), with mouth, legs, and bottom siting on a golden throne?, at least it is not feminine. does he speak, hebrew, latin, arabic or greek. (remember the english translation of your bible is recent).
Please ask you Pope since he has seen God and his abode.

now that you've gotten that off your chest do you feel better?
please do not reply to me, if you don't know how to use the brain you have, thanks

Lady,
The nature of God is supposed to come after one has concluded there is actually a God

No it's not, that's the problem, people are looking for the nature of God. They're trying to conform God to their standards, it's not supposed to be so.

Yes we can scientifically prove your existence and there are so many records that prove you existed, hard evidence and not hearsay, the people who wrote the bible did not even personally walk with Jesus, mark was written some eighty years after Christ's death, I think we both agree that hearsay is not an efficient way to preserve history.

Same with Christ. Maybe you haven't done enough research, but you need to. Christ's existence is not hearsay, it is historical fact. According to you unless it is proven by science then it didn't exist? Have you forgotten about history? In that case all those people that walked the earth didn't exist, why? because u can't scientifically prove each one of them abi?
Actually Mark wasn't written some 80 years after Christ's death, you've also forgotten that Matthew was his direct disciple and that John was an even closer disciple, and that Peter was definitely close to Jesus.
It is called history.

Your take no elitism actually made me laugh, now let me test what you just told me, would you take your sick child to a proud doctor or to a humble engineer that allegedly has inspiration from God to perform a life saving surgery?

How does this tie into your point?
Infact, you only prove my point. Why should you go to scientists about theology or about God, why should you ask them to tell you about God? Afterall they are not the experts on it. Wouldn't it make sense to go to those who actually saw God himself and those who've studied him?
Juat as you wouldn't get medical advise from an engineer, you wouldn't find answers about God from scientific experiments.

It does not matter if the pope came up with the laws of motion, the question is, does he apply the same method to the bible? No I guess not.

huh?

Lady there is one standard logical scientific method I don't own one and I am saying insult or not logically God does not exist and the pope knows this.

oh so if it is not proven by science then it must not exist? well science has no place in accounting, and accounting exists, I can attest to that. Sciene has not.
Don't you mean scientifical logic? Is science the only logic in the world? Are the scientist the smartest people in the world? If so why do they come up with solutions that create even more problems for people.

Does sceince logically fit into english literature, do those who study enlgish and gain their Ph.Ds in english literature automatically become stupid for not being scientists? How about accountants, are we now idiots and illogical because we don't use science?
what about artists? are they now supposed to be outcasts in the society for believing in beauty and creating things from their senses and not from scientific calculations? DO you now see the elitism I am talking about?

If we logically follow the christianity belief we will find that it all boils down to simple belief.

why haven't you answered my questions? do you believe in the cambrian and pre cambrian period? have you scinetifically experimented these periods to know they are real? or are you going off of someone else's findings?

Story of Achan Joshua 7, the summary is this, achan was guilty of stealing from the Jericho loot, when joshua finds out he marches achan and his family to the valley of achor where they are all stoned and burned to death.
Its up to you now please give me a sane explanation.

I will read through it.

[quote author=Sea~Goddes link=topic=204059.msg3232608#msg3232608 date=1229451183]whats that, i always hear about it, but never really understood it, can u expand[/quote]Opus Dei, means work of God (I believe)

Here is their link http://www.opusdei.us/

Carlosein:
you know what you are?

taurean to the core: stubborn ass a mule and heady as a newspaper headline

but on a serious note you know you have to rest and obey doctors orders? (sometimes )

you don't want to get (really ) sick this christmas. do you?

lol, you should know.
I didn't get doctor's orders, I got orders from my friend. oh yeah I got nurse's orders (my mum).
But they'll be fine.
No I don't want to get really sick, but I get some rest.

oh yeah hux, I agree with # 3 also

Chrisbenogor:
I agree with you huxley, but sadly they would rather line the pockets of their pastors and the vatican.

Then you know nothing about the Church. I don't know about the others and their pastors, but the Vatican doesn't line it's pocket with anything. The misconception is that the vatican is rich, meanwhile the Pope flies commercial. The vatican runs on a deficit because it is being the government of other nations by providing jobs for people there, and means of survival. The money that I give is not going to the Pope's pocket especially since the Pope lives in one room, literally one room about the same size as my bathroom.

So please until you know the truth, don't start making accusations. That is something I detest, you don't have to believe in God, you don't have to like the vatican, but at least know what you are talking about before you even speak.
At least come with honesty and knowledge. The knowledge that you so proudly boast to have because you are not a believer in God, you really don't have.

Chrisbenogor:
So would you classify stolen money as not God given ?

Yes.

Carlosein:
you went to work

you are something else. do you have to stay in bed today?

Yeah, no one wants to work. Actually we're looking for atheists to hire.
These people don't want to work, most are travelling for the holidays and I'm pulling over time. During the next two weeks I would have put in 127 hours at work. The lady that was supposed to work for me said she couldn't come in until 3 hours after the shift started. So I went in just to sit there until she got there, but I had a feeling that if I went I wouldn't make it back, so I went prepared to work. The other lady there begged me to stay and work with her because she didn't want to work with the other lady, she told me I didn't have to do anything (not that I could). So all I did was hold the baby for 8 hours. My kids didn't want to leave me alone though, they don't understand what sick is. One of them got frustrated with me and ordered me to take my medicine so that I could feel better and open their christmas presents with them, lol.

I will be going to work today, I should be staying in bed, but you know I don't listen. And my friends knows he shouldn't expect me to stay in bed as he ordered me to.

Chrisbenogor:
I really find it funny that people think their having a means to survive was God given.
So apparently God does not like those who don't have?
Its not wrong to want to help those in need but personally I don't think we need a bible to tell us and secondly how many will give if they knew there was no reward for it in some afterlife?

that's the whole point, to give from your heart, not becuase you will get a reward. If you are a God fearing person, nothing would restrict you from giving without a reward. The whole message is to love God and your neighbour. In love there's no you do me, I do you.
Those who do because they are looking for a reward in heaven, will be very shocked when they get to judgement.
It is supposed to be pure and unselfish love. We do it in our community as Christians.

My means to survive is God given, your means to survive could be devil given, he'll just be happy to have your sould at the end of it.

Carlosein:
oops. i followed a different route but looks like it's working.

lol, you should be able to request me as a friend (I think)
I have so many restrictions, keeping up with them is kinda difficult.

Carlosein:
really, your naija blood is very strong indeed.

were you punished?

Lol, no I didn't even get yelled at, but my friend was disappointed in me and was shocked that I even dared to go to work.
I couldn't tell my mum that I went to work though and she was so worried. I feel bad.

Carl, can you believe that I didn't stay in bed yesterday as I was supposed to?
I got caught too.

Carlosein:
i think i see you but am a bit confused.

will find my way around soon (i think )

Just reply to the message I sent you, check your e-mail so you'll know my name on facebook. I sent it to you.

Chrisbenogor:
Really! Dudes are the ones who have not really got control.

Exactly you guys have no control watsoever, lol.

What you don't think women check men out? Ha, stay there. Our eyes scan o, we just know how to do it with class. We can look and you won't even know, a glance is enough. You guys turn the whole head and get caught. lol

Chrisbenogor:
Why would an almighty God want money? Beats my imagination.

It's not wanting money, it is giving what he has given you to build up his church. It is not just money, you can give in other ways. It isn't compulsory. You can give your time, by lending a helping hand to those in need. You can help in cleaning your parish, you can help in sending holiday greeting cards, you can help in paying the bill for someone who needs it, you can help by giving food to those who need it especially during the holidays, you can visit old people in the home, or those in the shelter.

Somepeople are able to give money so that resources can be bought. Is that wrong?

Carlosein:
i use my full name

ok then i've found you. i will send you a message to make sure it's you.

Your pastor is lying to you. It is one thing to have the means of giving to the Church, and choosing to find an excuse not to. But another thing when you really don't have the means to give. It's ok, don't beat yourself up over it.

Oby1:
Hello Lady, all your pix are so beautiful.
Just go to facebook and make the request, you won't see Lawyer here.

We all need to remember Lawyer in our prayers.

thanks. ok i will.

lawyer:
Oby, why u de try ignite world war 4 for this thread with me?

Ok the time to yan never reach sha!, lol€

Lolololol
pls no fighting, let there be peace.

Carlosein:
it was ok my sis. thank you.

the war don already start taytay. na make you come join fight naim remain.

^{whispers: i don join facebook i dey look for all of una pics now}

I use a different e-mail for facebook, I will send it to you and you can e-mail me there. Actually I should be able to find you, do you use your full name?

Hmmm lady how body, for starters it is not a fact that jesus walked this earth as who the bible says he is

I never stated that it is a fact that Jesus walked the earth as who the Bible says he is. I said it is a fact that he walked the earth, and then I led on to talk about the apostles writing about who Jesus is. It is a fact that I walked the earth, but the only way you will know the facts about my life, is by reading what someone or myself writes of me. That is the only way you get the facts about events in my life. You cannot scientifically prove the events in my life can you?

is not a fact at all the quest for the historical Jesus has hit many barriers and till date nobody even knows what he really looks like!

What did you expect him to take a picture? Um yeah we have an idea of what he really looks like. You must really not understand that Jesus did not come to be a fashion statement and to have his picture taken so that everyone will know what he looks like. He wasn't going for homecoming king or prom king. He wasn't going for 'hey take a pic so you will know what i look like years from now.'
basically he wasn't going for 'let me validate myself by human standards'
Get it?

I know you're fascinated by him and you would like to know what the Son of God looks like, but if you listen to him, you will know what he looks like.

I cannot read the writings of apostles and accept it, these guys had no idea what this world was like cosmologically talkless of understanding it

Elitism, if they don't have so so and so education and understand so so and so they must not know anything. they must not have wisdom. In case you didn't know the stupid fishermen were chosen for a reason. Humble people were chosen for a reason. He put to shame those who have "knowledge." The writings of these simple men are the ones that "knowledgeable" people have been trying to understand for centuries to no avail.

I gladly accept the writings of simple men over the writings of proud, boastful know it alls.

You may not know this but the information about this 'cosmological world' was discovered by believers in God. The theories leading up to the theories you believe in today were by christian monks and yes those are believers. they were so stupid that they formulated these facts so that those after them could use it to get to where we are today.

If you didn't know this piece of information, then shame on you Chris, you should have knowledge by now.

They wrote down stuff from belief

uh wrong, they wrote down stuff from evidence, you know as in seeing is believing, yeah they actually saw and believed.

Oh and before I forget, the pope I am sorry to say is using a very old tactic that might have worked say around 4 century BC how can you say we cannot test our logical

wait don't you mean your own standards of logical? and who's to say that your standards of logical is the standard of logical. seriously, here's the issue I have with atheists, you guys are so proud in your way of thinking that you think anyone who doesn't think like you is stupid. You completely forget the fact that everyone is different and have their own thought process. You are quite an elitist and don't even know it. The way we believe is no different from the way you believe, you just happen to not want to believe in God and I happen to know that he exists. You believe anything as long as it is not supernatural, maybe it's because you are afraid, and you desperately want to cling to the ground.

Whoever told you Christianity isn't logical, maybe you are the one who is illogical because you do not have an understanding on Christianity. You condemn something you do not know, how logical is that?

In summary he is saying you cannot know if God exists by following Logical arguments, because in that case if just is not there. He is saying the only way to know God is to believe and I say that is Bull

no he isn't, he is saying that simply using your scientific facts to understand God is an insult to God. Using human standards of validation is an insult to God.

Ok seriously do you believe in the precambrain period? the cambrian period? the big bang theory? Have you experimented to know that thes actually exists or do you take the word of those that have experimented or "seen"

So the story of achan in summary, I think God is mean, I mean the dude probably deserved his fate if he was guilty, but what did his family and even his livestock do?
Do you believe the loving, merciful and justice God you serve ordered it?
Do you think killing of his family was wrong?

ok i need more, show me in the Bible.

OmniPotens:
Thanks for the correction with regards the response.

I think I still need to understand more what that context mean.

ok let me make it simple, it is meant for you to put your focus on God in prayer.

Lift up your heart = pray to God, focus on God, set your heart on God and God alone.

hope that helps.

Carlosein:
so is typing on the laptop allowed in bed?

anyway, make good use of the time.

well not really i have been ordered to rest, but the person that is monitoring me is in class, so until he gets out i am free to do what i want. hehehe

ok i'm gone, the med is kicking in, and i can't fight it, it always wins. bye. good nite.