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Hell is a fabrication.The concept of hell is something that was created in the hearts and minds of the authors of your Bible and Koran. Before you were informed of what and where hell was, it never crossed your mind to even think about it. So, within the pages of your scriptures hell was born. Just as a God could not exist without the devil, heaven could not exist if there wasn’t a hell.So where did hell come from? It didn’t exist in Adam’s, Noah’s, nor Abraham’s time. It is something that was fabricated so that they could capitalize off of your fear.

from this reasoning, everything is a fabrication.

no one is born with the knowledge of how to speak english, you are informed of it. no one is born with the understanding of health, you are informed of it. no one is born with the knowledge of brushing your teeth, you are informed of it.

no one is born with knowledge, everyone is informed of something, if your statement holds true, then everything is a fabrication.

there was hell in the time of adam, and abraham, and noah.

More like irritating.

then go and take a cool bath.

if something irritates you stay away from it, only an idiot hangs around something that irritates him or her.

if a dog is biting you, you don't sit there and let it continue to bite you.

if there are ants biting you, you don't stand in the same spot. they will always continue to bite, there's nothing you can do about it. Just leave.

He who continues to stay in a place that irritates him is a fool.

He who continues to listen to music that irritates him is a fool.

He who continues to listen to those who annoy him is a fool.

I do laugh when you as well as your fellow Christians and other non muslims 'throw stones' when issued is being discussed, forgetting to go through history before doing the attack.

It was yesterday that a friend of mine (single mother of three living in the States from the US) told me that I should celebrate with her that she would be a grandmother very soon. Funny enough, I know her to be a single mother catering for her three kids in which the lady happens to be 13 (not up to but would be in few months time). I asked about the husband of her kid daughter but she told me point blank that its going to be out of wedlock and said that afterall, she is going to be a grandmother. I couldnt believe my ears though I know that it happens but this friend of mine is going to fifties, a born again christian and holds a high position in her church.

It is one thing if an act is committed by a person and another if the persons religion advocates it.

Just because a christian woman did it doesn't mean that christians condone it or that christianity calls for it. this isn't what christianity calls for.

the difference is that islam advocates such practices and christianity does not.

another thing, i stated it in my above post, it is good to know history so that you do not end up back there. basically you actually progress as time continues, you don't continue with practices because that's what used to happen. if that is the case, then slavery should still be around, after all it is something that happend in history.

should slavery still be condoned because it is something that happened in history or because it may still be happening somewhere else in the world?

Muslims do not think like Christians and generally do not accept ideas that have a christian origin. It is unfortunate that young girls are born into Islam in Nigeria ( I doubt if this practice happens in the Mid East ) and have to go through this as early as 10 or 11. I do not understand why the men can't wait till they are old enough to make their own choice for a husband. It is just selfishness, greed and poverty that causes this (I don't think Rich people do this). It has nothing to with Islam but the shameless Nigerian interpretation of Islam.

ok this is really funny, because at first the "marrying young girls" thing is the culture of the middle east that is inserted into islam, now it's the culture of northern nigeria that is inserted into islam.

there are american muslims that i trying to marry their daughters off. they can't legally do it, but hey if person no talk who go know?

please this isn't a culture thing, if that is the case, then the whole world have the same culture. and we all know that it isn't true.

so this is not something in culture alone, it is in islam period.

@ babs787

does that make it right? not too long ago slavery was the norm so we should go back to it?
incase you haven't noticed, the chinese do not hold much regard for human life, these are people that will cook a new baby to improve their sexual libido, so they are not exactly supposed to be used as role models in this issue.

times have improved and as civilization grows we get a better understanding of human life development. things that were done back in the day were done at a particular time for a particular reason, and because of the ignorance of people things continued that way.
but as we learned more we matured into better thinking.

I am not one to start speaking of muhammad as a pedophile as I understand that in his day this was the norm and that because of ignorance of what we now know about the human body and mind.

However today such practices shouldn't be allowed because we understand the mental and emotional damage it can cause.

If motgherhood is just about producing babies then everyone would be capable of being a mother. But we know that this isn't true.
Motherhood is much more than just popping one out. A mother has to nurture the child and care for the child's needs, and raise the child to be a responsible adult in society.
these needs include education, food, shelter, and more.
How can a mother provide such things if she cannot fend for herself? It would be even more understandable if these young girls are getting married to younger men, no they're marrying an old man who will probably die the next day out of old age, what is she supposed to do then?
she has no education and trade. all she knows to do is produce a child.

The excuse is generally that the man will provide as he is supposed to, well studies show that the man doesn't always provide and that islamic law gives him the upper hand. Seriously all he has to do is divorce her. When he thinks times are hard and he doesn't want to fend for her, he can simply say I divorce you, and she's gone. what is she supposed to do?

or do you think that muslim men are perfect and that they won't do that? how can you think so when islamic law allows for men to simply dump women and move to the next? to totally get rid of her if he feels she'll be a threat to him, he can accuse her of adultery, at which point she'll be stoned to death because a man's voice is more important than the woman's voice.

We are not living in history we are living in today's society and these muslim societies are not in a remote country somewhere, they are in countries where modern civilation has touched. they need to be able to provide for themselves.

these marriages should not be condoned and they should be outlawed.

@Hotredchic: If the offender is a Muslim from Orile Kingdom. What will you do? Or if the offender is a Northern Christian? Aburo tellme; are there muslimsin orilekingdom or christians from the North?

What does this have to do with anything? Who said this topic is about proving whether there are christians in the north and the south or if there are muslims in the south or norht?

If it offends you that the example used are muslims, then tell allah to change the quran and stop ordering the killing of christians.
First your excuse is that it's the arabic culture that is inserted in islam, which excuse is it now? that the arabic culture got inserted into nigerian culture islam?

look if you do not know how to follow a thread respectfully cease from posting.

Please give me reasons as to why Christians in ethiopia do not agree to this concept of the trinity if it is not the doing of the catholic church which the reformation could not really shake?

Ok I am trying to understand why you would think that because the ethiopian christians don't believe in the trinity, therefore the trinity must not be true.

Have you heard of heresy? DO you seriously think that the ethiopian christians are the only ones that were lost on the trinity?
Do you know why it is the word trinity was used to define the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
It's not because we just needed something to do. It's because people were beginning to come up with different beliefs on Jesus and a lot of people became confused. So to put an end to it, the Church defined the Trinity as it actually is to dispell any heresies, not that it worked.

Could it be that the ethiopian christians do not understand just as you do not?

It is not a concoction by the Catholic faith, it has always been there. It just became defined for our understanding and to get everyone on one accord as we should be.

morning peeps,

lady, how u doing today and how'z the lappy?

Hi Carl, the lappy is performing well. No problems.

How does one quote someone, where the name shows that it's the person who truly posted it, on this board?

You guys don't see what this means. . . Now Lennon can go to heaven. You know he's been waiting by the pearly gates for 40 years after the angel said to him "I. . . I'm sorry but I can't let you in. I mean if it wasn't the Vatican who needs to give their stamp of approval maybe I coulda snuck you in but with them. . . Duuuuude, that's a no no, I can't risk it".

Yeah.

I'm Happy for Lennon ooh, I am!

LOLOL

Another christian bullshit.

E DEY PAIN U FOR BODI?

FGGC Abuloma

~ we had this revival with some pastor, he said that we had witches in the school and that some of them were present there. apparently he saw rings on their fingers. he started praying and some girls started screaming. he then said that there are some girls that would be the prayer warriors. he waved his hand and some girls fell to the floor, they were supposed to be the prayer warriors.
well i didn't want to be counted as a witch so i immediately fell to the floor too. and we started prayers and i joined it, whereever the witches showed up we were there. sometimes people were seeing them, including myself (na lie, i didn't want to be counted as a witch, so i started seeing witches). anyway it was scary.

A 7 yr old understands the reality of hell fire and heaven; the difference between vice and virtue but what he wouldn't understand is the gravity of the punishment. i don't even think a 16 year old will understand how serious eternity is.

well looking at how some christians behave today 40 year olds and mums and dads don't understand the seriousness of eternity, if htey did dem for don fear since.

that is why there can't be a cap. But when it comes to reasoning in this world, age 7 usually does it. the average child should be able to do some form of reasoning, if not get them checked by the doc.

What is the significance of Father Christmas?

Answer: Shopping

Exactly. But really St. Nick was a real person who gave kids presents back in the day and then it just caught on and now they just carry it on and now some people don't understand Christmas anymore.

Anyway, sha I want my present so Father Christmas better bring me mine o.

The verses you quoted can fit quite a lot of interpretations. Purgatory teaches that a sinner is in suspended judgement, and by the intecession of men,he gradually ascends to the place of grace:Heaven. I don't see this teaching in the Bible.

See that's the problem people don't even know what they are disagreeing with. This is not purgatory. It would be better if you knew what purgatory is in the first place before you go on disagreeing.

Purgatory is where you get detached from sin as sin cannot make it to heaven. So basically it is purification to get you unattached to sin, as in, you are no longer inclined to sin. So if you see a dollar, you won't even think about possibly touching it. It wouldn't even cross your mind.
Purgatory as the word implies is purging, as in purification, as in getting away from the inclination to sin.

It is always encouraged that we pray for those in purgatory, however, it doesn't mean that if the faithful on earth doesn't pray for them, that they won't see heaven. All souls in purgatory will see heaven. They already have that covenant with Christ.

Like RHC just told you, doing sumtin will mean you have just repaid an eye for an eye, which is against the principles of christianity and the law of Jesus which is "love everyman as christ loves the church".

This is not true, if someone were to do something as say "Run" how does that account to an eye for an eye. How deos it cause hurt the other person if you run. If one prevents an eye from being hurt how does it amount to an eye for an eye when there was no eye hurting in the first place.

Am a christian (baptist) for sure,

I have doubts though of some beliefs i have come to accept over the years. I`ve been thinking lately of the truth behind these fundamental beliefs and found that "trinity" has many question to answer. Who am i worshipping, God, Jesus or spirit. Jesus Himself said to satan, at Luke 4:8, you must worship
the Lord your God and serve only him. He did not say they, but said "Him". That "Him" must have a one personality. I want to worship only God almighty the creator of the universe through Jesus as God instructed.

Jesus was quoting scriptue. I can state a quotation about myself. So this passage doesn't refute Jesus being God.
I can easily be reading something about myself that is written and read it verbatum.

For example

Image for a minute that I am an actress and a tabloid just wrote that I am having an affair with Brad Pitt.

This is the article

~Lady~ was seen going to dinner with Brad Pitt in Sunset Beach in Miami, Fl. They spent the whole day together and was seen last night partying.

Now imagine that I just saw the article and I am reading it out loud to my best friend. So I decide to read verbatum.

This is the convo with my friend:

Me: omg, they so totally lied
friend: about what?
me: about me and brad pitt
friend: what does the article say?
Me: ~Lady~ was seen going to dinner with Brad Pitt in Sunset Beach in Miami, FL. They spent the whole day together and was seen last night partying.

So do you see that I can speak of myself in the third person, especially if it is in quotation? I can recite something about myself verbatum.
So the above passage does not refute Christ as being God.

God is a person. This indicates that he has a personality, such as power, love , justice, etc. But God is a spirit person. The word person does not only refer to humans with flesh and blood. The holy spirit is not a person. The scripture has made reference to what God said, what Jesus said, but the scripture never speaks of the holyspirit as saying anything, or reflecting the attributes of God, like Jesus did. The holyspirit is simply Gods power that he uses to accomplish his will, and can infuse this power into people.

If Jesus was God then there was no need to pray at all and request permision to ressurect (eg Lazarus) or when he prayed on the loaves of bread and fishes? You take permision from someone above you not vice versa.

Why also is the word Trinity not found in the bible if it is so fundamental to christian belief?

Does your body and word have minds on their own and do they operate without your brain sending a command to them? This is a serious question and would like your answer if I am to continue.

Maybe you missed my explanation on the word trinity not being in the Bible, but I am not one to be redundant, go back through my posts and read.

There was a point in time in past were Jesus did not exist. Consider this very clear scripture: Colossians 1:15, which refers to Jesus as the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation.

To be the first born of all creation means exactly what it means. Jesus was created first before all other creation. If Jesus was created he cannot be equal to God. If you don`t agree with Colossians i will love to hear your view on that scripture. Also note that the portion says he is the image of the invisble God. An image may look very much like the person it models, but the image is not the person.

Oga Jesus Christ became a creation, but that is not to say that he didn't exist before. In order for something to "become" it had to have had a nature before it became another nature.

That's what makes it even more special and even more important, because God himself was willing to suffer himself as creation in order to save his creation. That is profound. That is true and ending love.

Actually if I look at my image in the mirror that is me. It is a reflection of myself. Unless you do not understand what a reflection is.
When one takes a picture, does that mean that the person in the picture is not one. If it is not one then who is it. How can you image be any different from you.
Or is it that you don't know what an image is?

Jesus Christ gave us a face to God. He made God visible for us to see. He is the image of the Unknown one.

As for scripture please don't try to put your own view in to it. To interpret scripture is to interpret it purely as what it is, instead of making it become what you want it to be.

Now you did the typical thing as anyone who wants to distort scripture to their own view, you quoted out of context and interpreted out of context.

Colossians 1:15 continues on

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For in him were created all things in heaven and earth, the visible and invisible.

AS IN HE IS THE SOURCE, GOD IS THE SOURCE OF ALL CREATION, SO THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL CREATION.

I really enjoy ur logical point as Jesus been the word of God. U're right to some extent, but don't u think that Jesus is more than just word? The Bible made us 2 understand that Jesus is a Son of God the first creation of God. That made Him a supernatural spiritual person. He Jesus even said that His father is greater than Him. The WORD there means that He is God's spoke man. So a son can not be equal with is father. Thanks

Well I am sorry but your knowledge of Jesus Christ is wrong. He is the Word of God made flesh, he is the Son because he is the WORD. There is no hierarchy with being the Word and the Son. It is the same thing. The Son is the Word made flesh. Being word doesn't mean he is less equal. It sounds to me that you want it to be that Jesus and the Father are not equal.
Unfortunately we don't always get what we want.
So you can want it to be that way but it isn't.
Jesus is not just the Son of God he is the Word of God.
Just as ~Lady~ is one of the names I am called or descriptions of me. It doesn't make me anyless me.

If your name is Emeka Chinonso Igwe, you are Emeka, you are also Chinonso, you are also Igwe. If someone calls you Emeka and another calls you Chinonso, does it say that your name as Chinonso make you any less than your name as Emeka. Or won't you be the same person.

Look people you can try to convince yourself anything, but it doesn't change the truth.

SO the SOn and the Father are co-equal. Thanks.

For the intention of your family as a whole "Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and the hour of our death. Amen"

I didn't know you had an accident, so sorry and thank God for the gift of life.

Amen. Thank you.

Yup I had an accident earlier this year. It's actually the way I got involved in this forum. I was in rehab (physical therapy) so whenever the meds weren't knocking me out, I was online trying to stay entertained. So I got involved on nairaland and in this thread fully.

Who told u that pastors do not resurrect the dead?
does it have to be blasted on tv for it to actually happen?

u want to ridicule christianity, why don't you get confidence in yourself instead. always trying to bring others down.

But they've heard the gospel yet decides to ignore it. Should God tamper justice with mercy on that count?

not all of them, that's why i said for those who have heard the gospel and ignored it, they will be held accountable, or did you not read the entire post?

What is this age of reason, if I may ask? 10? 12? 15?

i don't think one may be able to put a cap on it, people develop differently. but generally it is around age 7.

Will God's judgment be based on your religion or your lifestyle?

God's judgment is based on God and your decisions. You can call yorself a christian, yet you are the most judgemental, hypocritical person that ever did live.

You can go to church and say you have faith, however if you do not put your faith into practice what good is it. The way you live yourlife is extremely important.

Most of all, let's not be the judge, we do not know what is in one's heart, and we do not know if one will ask for forgiveness at the moment of death. That is why judgment is not left up to us.

But most of us, mostly christians are so proud, and are the quickest to judge.

i know so many christains that will not agree with you on this. . . . .some might even accuse you of misleading people while others will call you a heretic. . . .

and that's fine with me. you certainly know that i am catholic and that because of that i am called a heretic. i'm sure you've been following the threads about catholics, and those other christians who wish to call us heretics. believe me we do not mind being called whateer, it won't stop the truth.

my only challende to them is that they tell me what in my statements are wrong and why? simply quoting the bible and not interpreting it does no good for anyone. they have to back it up with logic, God gave us a brain for a reason, they should use it.

by the way, I am sorry that person called you a lost soul. There is tomorrow and it is pregnant.

If you don't seek for vengeance, they will come again abi?. Should we sit down and be defending all the time?.

First of all if you are a christian, you will know that vengeance is the Lord's. Now the poster posted as a christian and I gave him a christian response.

If you redhotchick are not a christian then you do not have to pay attention to my post.

A christian should know not to be attached to the world, and should understand that they are not to be of this world, that their eyes should be set on heaven and shouldn't be afraid of those who can hurt the body and not the spirit, but should be afraid of He who can hurt the body and the spirit, God.

Can you practice what you preach, can you turn the other cheek?
This is the hypocrisy we have been complaining about, so far the christians have bagged about 300 muslims, taking over from the ways of moses.
Turning the other cheek is to respond to an aggressor without violence (in every sense of the word). The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament.
In the Sermon on the Mount in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesussays:
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

In essence do not resist the aboki if he kills your wife offer your children, if if kills them offer your head.
This is really interesting goes to show how hypocrisy reigns supreme in religion.

There are plenty of people who do practice what they preach. I for one am not one to seek vengeance, quite frankly it takes too much energy. Now when we are hurt, it is our human nature to want to get revenge, but that's why Christians should rely on God and not on their human thinking.

Chris just because there are hypocrites does not mean everyone who is a christian is a hypocrite. And as I have said there is nothing wrong in self-defense. I gave the scenario of what turning the cheek is, so please read it.
Turning the cheek is not standing there and being killed when you can help yourself, but when you cannot help it or someone don't go looking for revenge.

Religion is not the problem, the people practicing religion is. If you Chris were a christian and you stayed true to the faith and actually put it into practice, and John calls himself a christian too but doesn't practice what he preaches does that mean that you Chris are also a hypocrite? or that the religion is hypocrisy?

If these three beings are co-equal, who created who? Did Jesus create God or vice versa. If God created Jesus, automatically, that means God is greater, that contradicts the co-equality

First of all looking at your repsonse to bastage, you are not here to ask questions but to give ridicule. You can at least try to hide it. Why ask questions if you've already made up your mind as to what the answer is.

Jesus is not created but begotten, he became a creation, but he himself is not created.

You forget one very impotant fact about Jesus, that he is the Word of God. In saying so this means that Jesus is a part of God, however the Word does not operate until actually spoken.  Look at it this way. You are not separate from your word and your word is you, if your word is you how can you be unequal to yourself?
However, your word doesn't actually operate until you decide to open your mouth and speak it.
The difference between your word and God's Word is that God's Word took human flesh and yours is incapable of taking human flesh.

If the holy spirit is a person, how could it poured on people and they get filled with someone. Can a being with a personality be poured on someone.

The Holy Spirit is exactly what it is, a Spirit and is not bound to time and space as we are. You are looking at a person as just a flesh, when in fact the person is flesh and spirit (humans). But if the flesh dies the person is still there because the spirit is still there, so basically the flesh is very reliant on the spirit

If the holy spirit is a being, could it be more powerful than God the Father, since all miracles works are actually product of the holy spirit?

The Spirit is sent by the Father.

Jesus categorically stated that regarding the time of the end no one knows the day or hour only almighty God. If they were equal, y would one know something and the other does not?

Can God die? If u say he cannot, how do we explain that Jesus was dead three days, he even commited his life to his father before he drew his last breath, knowing God almighty would restore him back to life.

By the way if trinity is so true and dundamental to christian life why is it that, that word NEVER occurs in the bible?


If these questions can`t be resolved then surely, trinity is the biggest contradition in Christianity.

To better understand the Trinity I will use a human to explain it to you.
A human is a body, mind, spirit, notice the three, however still one.
The body would be Jesus, it goes to the command of the mind, whatever the mind tells it to do it would do, the body does not know what the mind wants it to do until the mind actually tells it to do it. so until you have it in mind that you want to move your leg, your leg won't move.
The mind would be the Father, it is where everything comes from, the thought process and all commands.
The Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

This better explains how it is we are created in the image of God. Mind, Body, and Spirit.

the only thing is that Trinity is eternal.

You can also look at a shamrock, the leaf that has three heads. It is one leaf, but it still has three leafs to it. http://www.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us/dna/chapman/teachers/GregCarlton/album/shamrock.jpg if you click on the link you would be able to see a picture of the shamrock, I tried to copy and paste it here, but couldn't.

God cannot die, however don't forget that Jesus was also a human being. The body can die, but just because the body dies does not mean that that is the end to that person (remember a person is not just made up of a body). Jesus is a person and not just a body. SO because Jesus is a person and this person is God, God never died. Because this person is God and can give life, he gave life to his body, and resurrected. this is the promise to those who follow christ and are faithful.

The word trinity is the definition of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity appears in the Bible, The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit appears in the Bible. We just have a name for all three. So instead of saying Father, Son, Holy Spirit, it is understood as Trinity. Look at it this way, Trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for short.

Now I know you are looking for a contradiction in Christianity. It pains you that the truth won't die, I understand that, but you will do well to actually try to understand it and save yourself.
So sorry you will never find a contradiction in Christianity. Instead of looking for a contradiction in Christianity, why don't you go and make sure your religion is flawless. The best way to tell those who are insecure is to look at how they treat others. You are insecure in your belief, therefore to make yourself look better you try to make others look worse.

Now everytime I have encountered someone who tries to make themselves look good by making Christianity look bad they are muslims. So if you feel that Islam has all the answers then please be secure in yourself and stop trying to find your confidence in Christianity.

The bible is against christians retaliating and goes further to teach that we should turn the other cheek.

If a muslim northerner is attacking me with a big machete, should i strike back or kneel down and plead the blood of Jesus while he's butchering me and my family like Stephen did in the bible or should I disobey the bible and finish them off with my AK47?

First I think your using stephen's death in the wrong way. Second defend yourself, self defense isn't wrong. Turning the other cheek is not seeking revenge. If the muslims kill of your family but yourself don't go seeking revenge. But if they are attacking you in person then defend yourself.

Look at it this way, if a muslim northerner is attacking you with a big machete, defend yourself and your family, but if you are unsuccessful in defending yourself, then don't go seeking to kill them for revenge. If they are captured by the law and brought to trial, forgive them, but allow justice to prevail.
That is turning the other cheek.

@poster

I don't have an idea what xtianity has to answer your question

as for Islaam

ALL chilldren who dies before they reach the age of reckoning go unhindered to Paradise. The prophet of Allah made that clear. They are in fact described as being in the company of the Father of Faith - Abraham

While your post might be refreshing, however the question was not asked of you. You are not a christian and therefore should not have ventured into answering this question about islam. the question was for christians.

Now if it wasn't a question then your opinion on islam would have been welcomed, but this was specifically a question. be resepctful and don't respond.

i am not talking about kids i am talking about the billions of adults who have died without ever hearing about the word jesus christ. . . i have meet some in thialand back in 2006. . . they did'nt understand what i was saying when i told them i was a christain in fact they have never heard of the word christain. . , . . . all of the people i meet in the village that i visited had never heard the name jesus or mohammed. i meet one guy in bangkok who had never heard the word christain, he was the only person in bangkok who had never heard about christainity of all the people i meet in the capital(i interacted with about 20 people in the capital), most of them in the capital just know christainity as just another false religion. . . . . . and they were all buddist. . . . . .will all of them go to hell . . . . . . .for not knowing or believing in jesus?

I am not the giver of God's grace but I do know that God gives graces to those who are not Christians, after all it is by God's grace that one becomes Christian.
If these people have not heard about Christ, God is not going to punish them for ignorance. You mentioned that there are people in North Korea that are not allowed to believe in God, no one can tell you if you should believe or not in God. Even if it is signed in law. One may not be allowwed to worship and profess their faith in public but they cannot stop one from believing.
God can grant graces to muslims too, a lot of them are muslims because that's what they were raised to believe. But if the gospel has been preached to them and they said no to the gospel then they are accountable. But for those that haven't heard the gospel and there are billions then they are not accountable at their death.
There are atheists who are good people and God can grant them grace, it is not up to us to decide.

As for children. Parents are responsible for their children up until the age of reason. Now for christian families, it is beneficial for the child to be baptised into the christian faith. Our baptism separates us from others. But as the child gets older to the age of reason then the child should profess his/her own faith.

For those who speak that child baptism is false, Christ asked us to bring the little ones to him, so who are you to call Christ false for wanting the little ones to come to him, who are you to prevent the little ones from coming to him?
If a child is born into a christian home, but never baptised, grows older and decides to become a muslim, was the child ever a christian?
No, the child was never a christian, there is no difference between that child and a muslim child that was born to a muslim family, neither one was baptised in Christ. They are both muslims, so the former was never a christian.

Yeah foolishness abounds when you refuse to use your thinking faculties

he who thinks himself his own master is the fool, especially when nature proves him wrong. so to you we may not be thinking, you already formulated by your own standards what thinking is. We are not bound to your standards, afterall you have been wrong before, so why should we be bound to your standards of thinking?

I never said purgatory was implied. I was talking to the lady who said it was. I was wondering why everything else is explicitly taught, but only purgatory is 'implied'

purgatory is explicitly taught, the concept of purgatory is in scripture. that is what i am saying, so it is not as you see "implied" it is just as much a concept as trinity is a concept and then defined as trinity by the Church, same thing with purgatory. It is implied as trinity is implied. These two are concepts and they are defined by the Church. You call the concept of FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST, the Trinity because the Church calls it the Trinity. We call the concept of the life after death for souls that believe in God through Christ, purgatory because the Church calls it purgatory. Same as Trinity. Because you do not understgand it, does not mean it is not real.

Now I don't care to do a tit for tat, I have presented Bible verses that support purgatory, now please interpret them, if they do not speak of a purgatory.

Please don't be one of those people who accuse the Catholic church of so many things, but when presented with a Bible verse they run around like chickens without heads. All I want is for someone who disagrees with the teachings of the Church to interpret Bible verses posted by us (catholics) and answer the questions we pose instead of calling our questions irrelevant.

hey new lappy, just great

how was thanksgiving? with mumsie?

thanksgiving was great so much to be thankful for. it was my first thanksgiving after my accident. so i really had much to be thankful for.
mumsy is great and so is the whole family. i saw my Godson, he is sooo tiny and soooo cute.

It seems everyone was missing during the weekend. I do have a request, please pray fo rme, this is the final week for classes and I have a lot of exams. Please raise my intentions to the Lord.

I am praying for my mum to return to the Church and for the rest of my family to stay devout and not waver. Please offer up these intentions in particular. It is very dear to my heart. Thank you.

Jesus Loves you, Mary loves you, I love you

I just got a new laptop and was trying it out so I came here to say "HEEEELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

ok back to my vacay.

Lady these are the things I say christians ought to know. I suppose you do not know about the document Q either and the synoptic problem of the gospels.
The catholic church  as usual just ascribed the names to those people. In summary we do not really know who they were.

Well I am not going to say much, I am on vacay, but I just got a new laptop so I am trying it out, all thanks to BLACK FRIDAY, HEHEHE I LOVE IT!!!! ALL THE CHEAP STUFFF WHOO HOOO!!!!!!!!

Anyway, this is the reason why Sacred Tradition is really important, even thought some people because of their pride refuse to acknowledge it (Not you Chris), but the reason we know who wrote what is because of Sacred Tradition and because these writings were kept and used. They weren't just floating around. The ones that were floating around were the ones that were questioned and not included.
So because Catholics (early christians) kept to what was taught to them, they knew who taught what and in what way. Each author has his own style of writing, especially to the people he was writing to. Because we know who these people were talking to and what they talked about and their style of teaching we are able to tell who taught what and where. So the writers of the gospels were very well known.

Yeah some people say that the early christians weren't "organised religion" when in fact all the information we know of today was kept well because they were "organised"

if they weren't "organised" we wouldn't have the info we have today. plain and simple. someone had to have documented it. their organisation may be different and considered disorganised in our day but in their day they were well organised.
If everyone realised what sacred tradition is we'll able to counter people who bring up issues to try to break the faith, and bring up falsifications and non-facts just because they saw it and decided to believe it. Basically non-christians (this would be you Chris,  ) and those who claim to be christians but don't know a thing about Christ and his teachings

Salam Alykun. I still don't get the meaning of this "child thing" No one would give out a woman who has not started her menses out in marriage. Some girls start their period at age 14 or 15 years. Can girls who fall into this category be called "child (ren|)"

Have you given any thought to the mental capacity of the girl? You think because a girl has her menses she is automatically capable of being a mother? Even women in their 30s are not capable of being mothers. Simply getting pregnant andpushing a child out does not make one a mother. There are people who never gave birth and I are very much mothers. They adopted, I am like a mother to my siblings. I take care of them and provide for them, financial and emotional support. I have never given birth. SImply popping one out does not make you a mother.