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Rather than worry too about his recovery and fitness before the World Cup, we should consider an alternative and start running him through his paces for the central Mid-field. let us not say that Mikel's injury cost us the World Cup Finals (if we do not get past the first round beasties)

VALIDATOR:
When it is vague and you can't figure it out logically,divination will appeal to you.
If you fear uncertainty,you will seek a logical solution.
If you fear certainty,you will seek divination.

True that!

Apologies for me are like appointments in a calendar, if you are deserving of an apology, then you'd be on a queue and in due course, the apology will come. (when hell freezes over)

VALIDATOR:
IMO,the supernatural doesn't have anything to do with this. It's about demand and supply. People who are too lazy to think and act properly want to know what the future holds and they get what they deserve,falsehood.

Ohh boy even the successful want to know what the future holds, it is the fear of uncertainty that leads the intelligent to believe it prophesies

The Pastors just went to change his religious status to Christian immigrant so he could get a visa to heaven

VALIDATOR:
I'm also wandering if the man TBJ saw anything about Iceland's volcanic ash that grounded many flights leaving thousands of passengers stranded. Nonsense.

Perhaps he is not certified to see visions in that area or maybe it is pay-as-you-look package he is using

what ever you do, do not feel chivalrous and retaliate, i have seen a particular sad situation where an assault on a girl caused a fight and one of the guys died because the other had some Jujufied ring as he threw a punch.

1: So ease back and calmly collect your girl-friend to a quiet place let the tension cool down. (ask her what truly happened before you decide your next move)
2: Find out details about this guy who slapped your girl (it is not accepted anywhere in the known world to slap a girl)
3: put a hit on him like 2 years later when no one can tie you to his death

Philosophers and their thoughts are well beyond me,but have you asked yourselves (experts on this thread) the question WHY?

1: Does all life require a purpose to be truly worthwhile (an to whose benefit)
2: What is the purpose
3: When are we free from living a purposeful life (i hear even in the after-life, purpose clings on for all eternity)

Birds live and they die, people grow old and they die, yes it is important to live a life with productive purpose because every person is part of a larger eco-system and assuming a purposeless life does not benefit anyone and a negative purpose will simply degrade the quality of life for the larger society, but really, why is there a purpose outside of the benefit of feel-goodness and general success in life. (here and not after)

only those who wish to remain blind will not discern this submission. most will simply add this line ."Touch not my anointed" anyways good submission one day, Christians will learn to interpret the Bible as simply as Jesus said it.

well that puts my mind at ease. I was worried because some consultant (against my wishes) used HostGator for a client's website and i was furious to say the least, but he kept on about how good and reliable they were. so i guess the comments here have confirmed it somewhat

One thing though, we have a mutha-load of catholics on Nairaland.

just so it stays in view

Once a chooker, always a chooker

i recall briefly discussing this issue with a LoveWorld faithful and she almost scratched my face but figured it better to leave my proximity before God joins her in the calamity when he decides to smite me for "Touching His Anointed". it is a good thing that this issue is raised and i think we should keep it coming up in the threads so people are made aware of their folly and christians actually open their eyes.

Let us hope this thread does not get ignored and drop to the next page like this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=294454.msg4159844#msg4159844

it would interest you to know that African Juju practice is hardly revealed in literature (in its pure form) but rather handed-down to apprentices and relatives by word of mouth or learning by practice.

Available literature is not as detailed either

Once a chooker, always a chooker, he might be marrying a gorilla in skirts soon

I have some in my collection (pdf format) which are you interested in and i can email them to you

[size=13pt]Witchcraft, Power And Politics: Exploring the Occult in the South African Lowveld (Anthropology, Culture and Society) [/size]
by: Isak Niehaus (Author), Eliazaar Mohala (Author), Kally Shokaneo (Author)

Book Description:

This is an extraordinary contemporary account of witchcraft and witch-hunting in the modern world. A powerful ethnographic study of witch-hunting in 1980s South Africa - a period of rapid social change with the dismantling of apartheid and the reinstating of the ANC - this book demonstrates the extent to which witchcraft must be seen, not as a residue of 'traditional' culture but as part of a complex social drama which is deeply embedded in contemporary political and economic processes.

Isak Niehaus provides the context for this fascinating study of witchcraft practices. He shows how the witchcraft was politicized against the backdrop of the apartheid state, the liberation struggle and the establishment of the first post-apartheid regime all affected conceptions of witchcraft. Niehaus demonstrates how the ANC and other political groups used witchcraft beliefs to further their own agenda. He explores the increasingly conservative role of the chiefs and the Christian church. In the process, he reveals the fraught nature of intergenerational and gender relations.

The result is a truly insightful and theoretically engaged account of a much-studied but frequently misunderstood practice.


[size=13pt]Magical Interpretations, Material Reality: Modernity, Witchcraft and the Occult in Postcolonial Africa[/size]
By H. Moore

Book Description:

This volume sets out recent thinking on witchcraft in Africa, paying particular attention to variations in meanings and practices. Using recent ethnographic materials from across the continent, the volume explores how witchcraft articulates with particular modern settings. Examples discussed in the text include the State in Cameroon; Pentecostalism in Malawi; the university system in Nigeria and the IMF in Ghana, Sierra Leone and Tanzania. The editors provide a timely overview and reconsideration of longstanding anthropological debate about 'African witchcraft, while simultaneously raising broader concerns about the theories of the western social sciences.

[size=13pt]
Magic in Ancient Egypt[/size]
by: Geraldine Pinch

Book Description:

The Egyptians were famous in the ancient world for their knowledge of magic. Religion, medicine, technology, and what we would call magic coexisted without apparent conflict, and it was not unusual for magical and "practical" remedies for illness, for example, to be used side by side. Everyone resorted to magic, from the pharaoh guarding his country with elaborate magical rituals to the expectant mother wearing amulets to safeguard her unborn child. In this book, Geraldine Pinch examines the connections between myth and magic and the deities--such as the goddess Isis, and the protective lion-demon Bes--who had special magical importance. She discusses the techniques of magic, its practitioners, and the surviving magical texts, as well as the objects that were used in magic: figurines, statues, amulets, and wands. She devotes a chapter to medicine and magic and one to magic and the dead. Finally, Dr. Pinch shows how elements and influences from Egyptian magic survived in or were taken up by later societies, right down to our own century.

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The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation: Including the Demotic Spells: Texts[/size]
By Hans Dieter Betz

Product Description:

"The Greek magical papyri" is a collection of magical spells and formulas, hymns, and rituals from Greco-Roman Egypt, dating from the second century B.C. to the fifth century A.D. Containing a fresh translation of the Greek papyri, as well as Coptic and Demotic texts, this new translation has been brought up to date and is now the most comprehensive collection of this literature, and the first ever in English.

The Greek Magical Papyri in Transition is an invaluable resource for scholars in a wide variety of fields, from the history of religions to the classical languages and literatures, and it will fascinate those with a general interest in the occult and the history of magic.

"One of the major achievements of classical and related scholarship over the last decade."--Ioan P. Culianu, Journal for the Study of Judaism

"The enormous value of this new volume lies in the fact that these texts will now be available to a much wider audience of readers, including historians or religion, anthropologists, and psychologists."--John G. Gager, Journal of Religion

"shows care, skill and zest. . . . Any worker in the field will welcome this sterling performance."--Peter Parsons, Times Literary Supplement

[size=13pt]Cord of Blood: Possession and the Making of Voodoo (Anthropology, Culture and Society) (Paperback)[/size]
by Nadia Lovell


Book Description
The relationship between human beings and their gods lies at the centre of all questions of identity, individual and collective. Nadia Lovell examines how religious feelings reflect notions of personhood and belonging, and how religious involvement can transform gender relations, by focusing on cults of Vodhun (voodoo) possession among the Watchi in Southern Togo. Using this detailed ethnographic study as a point of departure she offers a fascinating insight into the complex interplay between religion, gender, ethnography and globalisation.

Lovell argues that the relationship of men and women to the Vodhun is one of mutual dependency: on the one hand human beings will gods to exist; on the other hand, gods embody themselves in human beings, especially women, through possession. Possession, according to Lovell, implies not only affliction, but the manifestation of creative potential through which women can express multiple identities -- a process through which concepts of gender are both confirmed and dismantled.

Looking in particular at the role of the devotees, Lovell presents an enticing account which offers an important contribution to the study of religion, gender and society.


[size=13pt]A Guide to Serving the Seven African Powers[/size]
By Denise Alvarado

Book Description:

Creole Voodoo, a unique blend of African, Haitian, Native American, Catholic, spiritualist, and European folk magic traditions, welcomes the uninitiated. Inside are complete instructions for creating altars for each of the Seven African Powers, including how to petition the orishas, as well as some practical spells. This guide is written for people who are not initiated into any specific Voodoo tradition, but would like to benefit from knowing and practicing age-old authentic Voodoo rituals. The author, born and raised in the Voodoo rich culture of New Orleans, has written this book from the perspective of Creole Voodoo, for which there are no formal initiation rites. This book is richly illustrated by the author, who is well-known for her unique conjure art style, and whose art has been celebrated in several books and on National Geographic's Taboo.

noetic16:
whaooo. what would happen to the ignorance of Toneyb, mazaje and other theists if and when this claims are substantiated?

very few doubt the historical events of a global flood and scientist have retrospectively drawn conclusions that the world was at a time covered (at least 90%) with water.

So finding Noah's ark is a logical possibility

as some posters have pointed out, easign IWU out of the election institution is only one step on a ladder that has many corrupt rungs.

What about political parties and politicians, how are you goign to deal with that and how is the incoming INEC chairman going to restore normalcy

@poster, I have a few questions (you do not need to answer)

1: how long have you been married for.
2: What is your level of financial security
3: Do you have a job that pays at minimum N50k per month
4: Does your wife have a job N50k per month

It is important to realize that while children are a blessing, they require absolute care to nurture that blessing to fruition. when we walk the streets and see Area boys and street hawkers we often wonder what their parents thought, That is not your portion in Jesus Name. Amen

There is such a concept as Family Planning and it is not a fashion statement but a critical look at the following
1: Can you sustain the growth and maturity of your first-born,usually if you are caught by unplanned events that cut your monthly sources of income when a second child is on the way. the chances are you will manage finances to prepare for a second-born and the first-born usually bears the brunt by virtue of being older. eventually the first-born will come second-place as you try to bring-up your second born. when you add your responsibilities as a bread-winner and the fact that your expectant wife will also need more attention and monies during the 9month period. you are in for a whammy if you have not planned for this
2: Considering the high cost of rent these days, you may want to plan ahead and save up for rent, because it cost me at least N120+k at LUTH (Pre and Ante Natal, Birth and Recovery+Drugs) and I don't plan on visiting soon.

E don happen, e don happen, you need to start saving fast. otherwise you will be blind-sided with events you have not planned for.
Stick in there. It comes with the territory

I don't know about deaths from abortions, the number does seem extremely high coming from 1 state that is at least considered cosmopolitan, if it were a less developed state, I can understand that the absence or lack of proper healthcare coupled with poverty will allow street quacks to perform fatal abortions that can amount to that number 34,000

Confirm the figures

@valchris, please do not go away so quickly.
Let me clarify I said show me where pointing out misdemeanors (wrong-doing) led to blasphemy and curses.
1: The Man of God must have done wrong in the first-place (Against God's will)

I have my eBible at ready

Reference 1

Numbers 12
Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman. And they said, "Has the LORD indeed spoken only through Moses? Has he not spoken through us also?" And the LORD heard it. (at which point God calls all three to a stakeholders meeting and proceeds to lambast Aaron and Miriam striking her with leprosy)

In this case, the Aaron and Miriam were not pleased with Moses taking a Cushite woman for his wife, there was no wrong-doing in that so Moses was in the right, What God was pissed of with mostly is the fact that they considered themselves prophets equally with Moses as God explained during the stakeholders meeting. see minutes below

And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward. And he said, "Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them, and he departed.

Aaron's crime was one of pride and jealousy not one of blasphemy against the man of God.

The prohibitions placed on the children of Israel regarding marriage to people other than Israelites had to do with the religious practices of those people and whether the "outsider" was willing to become part of the nation of Israel by obeying God's laws. The truth is, Gentiles who lived among the Israelites (in the time of Moses) could worship God as fully and freely as any home-born citizen.


Reference 2

1 Samuel 26:7-11
So David and Abishai went to the army by night, and there was Saul, lying asleep inside the camp with his spear stuck in the ground near his head. Abner and the soldiers were lying around him.
Abishai said to David, "Today God has delivered your enemy into your hands. Now let me pin him to the ground with one thrust of my spear; I won't strike him twice."
But David said to Abishai, "Don't destroy him! Who can lay a hand on the LORD's anointed and be guiltless? As surely as the LORD lives," he said, "the LORD himself will strike him; either his time will come and he will die, or he will go into battle and perish. But the LORD forbid that I should lay a hand on the LORD's anointed. Now get the spear and water jug that are near his head, and let's go."

Samuel on instruction from God search, found and anointed Saul to the position of prophet, leader or Israel. when Saul lost his way and began to plot to kill the Ancestor of Jesus Christ, David (Who later became King of Israel). If you noticed, David spared Saul's life (twice) preferring God's Judgment over his human morals. It was on the basis of his discretion that he allowed Saul live and cautioned Abishai not to carry out his plan. the rest was just his good spirit talking. God had already instructed Samuel to tell Saul that his end was over-due and his kingdom will be overthrown.

I have read the rest of the scriptures you mentioned and none all areas where God punished people for going up against his anointed persons was done when the anointed were right with God and obviously the agitator was outrightly wrong.

[b]If [/b]Pastor Chris is caught enacting false miracles, then i will dutifully point it out and say it is wrong. Its no use looking to God's face first to decide whether you should call a wrongdoer for what he is. The Man is a Wrongdoer and a False Prophet in the likes of the ones foretold in the Bible as End-Time Prophets

Please I would want you to get more information and do not base your argument on assumption as I can see you only assuming most of your points. Be more sceintific in your presentation on this matter.

How is my post based on assumptions? I have come to realise that you do not reason in a logical nor scientific manner, what i presented is a historical record (from the Bible) and actual evidence from the study of Egyptology. I sincerely doubt you can equate recent Egyptian practices with ancient ones, definitely things would have evolved. but since you have decided not to keep an open mind. I shall leave this matter to your judgment.

@otitokoro1

I did not wish to drag the issue to another observation but since you insisted,
In ancient times in Egypt, Magicians are recognized primarily by their long magic staff, that is what you now see in movies for roles of Wizards.

Moses had a long flowing white beard according to Bible literature (having seen God Face-Face)
Moses had a long Rod/Staff that has its own Magical (Cosmic or Supernatural) origins
Moses performed all of his Miracles with the Rod being a central focus of his performance (Striking his rod t part the red sea, striking his rod to bring water out of a rock, holding it up for people to be healed when bitten by snakes, changing the rod into snakes to eat up the pharaohs magicians snakes) Keep all these in mind when you think about moses

These are exact parallels to arts in Magick of the Egyptians and some other thing you should consider is:

Moses was born Israeli but grew up Egyptian and the practice of magic was passed down to him as it was to all Egyptian children from generation to generation. "Moses was educated in all the learning of the Egyptians, and he was a man of power in words and deeds." - Acts 7:22

There is no doubt that Moses was a "Man of God" but if you follow his biblical adventure up till his death, Moses had learned that the wooden rod he carried with him had power to do miracles in front of Pharaoh and his magicians. He had come to depend upon the rod (magic wand, walking stick), so when he got to a crisis situation, he used the rod and his intention to part the waters of the Red Sea. Noting the tools he used, and his background in Egypt, Moses was probably considered a wizard or man of magic.

After leading a group of ordinary people in the desert for many days, the people were thirsty and demanded the "Man of God with the Magic Rod" to do something to remedy the situation. You will remember in an earlier account when God first spoke to Moses and told him that he would lead the people out of bondage, that Moses had a bit of reservation about his speaking abilities. God granted that Moses' brother, Aaron, would go with him on the mission and be the spokesman to Pharaoh. In the situation of providing water for the Israelites, Moses was told by God to speak to the rock. Moses spoke to a rock and it brought forth water for the people to drink. The next time the people (still griping and fussing) needed water, he was again to speak to the rock to perform the miracle and manifest water where there was none. Instead of speaking to the rock, Moses smote or struck the rock, with his rod. What kind of faith did he have at that point? His faith was in his magic wand or walking stick.

The Bible mentions that God was upset about this. Why? Moses had become accustomed to using tools of divination to work miracles.

Have you asked yourself the difference between Magick and Miracles, between the Supernatural and the Occult they have two cosmic sources but are one and the same practice (MAGICK)

Also ask yourself what Jesus did while hiding (from Herod) in Egypt all the years before he came back to his home town.

According to the rules of confession, he will be granted an "abode" in heaven,he may not receive a crown for his faith-works or live in a highly decorated mansion for his level of righteousness. but i do believe he will be in the same estate with the saints and stand in the presence of God to sing his praises and worship him for all eternity.

Lets I forget he must also be baptized of water and holy spirit if he can manage that in good time

Pethan:
Hell is real and heaven is real the bible says in the book of Hebrews that it is appointed onto man once to die after that judgement every one of us leaving under the face of this earth is going to give account of our work here on earth weather it be good or evil[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]

Now what makes this statement a scientifically and historically (for evidential purposes) valid one 

EFCC recently invited INTERPOL to come into the chase, at this rate we might have to inform The Federation to send in Jean-Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise to converge on Ibori's hideout

I love the fact the the Christian population in Nigeria is the largest in Africa and 3rd largest in the world. (A powerful lobby group if you ever want to market something or start a faith-based investment like the Sharia-banking) but I also hate the fact that they could possibly be the most dim of all target groups in modern-day society 

In Matt. 24:35-37 Jesus said,  "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 
36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 
37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."

on the weird level, If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be?  After all, God knows all things.  Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God. 

bilymuse:
Ibori crime is not that he stole money; that's not a crime in Nigeria , everybody does that. His crime is in opposing Jonathan emergence as the acting president. Since Tinubu did not oppose Jonathan emergence, Ibori is guity before God and man.

GBAM!! you truly understand the politics in play here

Why not arrest Alao Akala, Bukola Saraki, Former Police IG, Gov. Amechi, Ayo Fayose, Tinubu, IBB,

I pity Jonathan if he really thinks he has got everything locked down

whether we like it or not, we brought this on ourselves. ignoring a problem will not make it go away, and throwing parties will not hide the disunity in your house.

These episodes of violence have been on since 1985 and we did not do anything about it, (maybe it will go away) each regime simply overlooked it or sent in the army to keep everyone down.

Now it is time to feel the pain, when a head-ache makes a man faint, it is too late to take Panadol

InesQor:
That said, there are four other books in the Lemegeton, and not only the Goetia. There is the Theurgia Goetia, Ars Paulina, Ars Almadel, and the Ars Notoria. Saying the Goetia is the Lemegeton is as inaccurate as saying there are 8th, 9th and 10th books of Moses

The Goetia - Lesser Key of Solomon [b](popularly known as lemegeton) i[/b]s my concentration and I find it truly astonishing.

I did not say it was

Curiousmind:
@lagerwhenindoubt, Thanks for your offer but i already have a copy. Do You practice with this Book? What are Your Experiences?



Christians that see's The Book with me are scared. You will hear something like ''THIS BOOK HAS MADE ALOT OF PEOPLE MAD''     ''YOU ARE TOO SMALL TO BE READING THIS BOOK'' then i was 29 Years, university Graduate. ''THIS BOOK IS TOO POWERFUL''   3years of having this Book, I have not experience anything related to their comments


I came in contact with the Book when i was writing my University Final Year project on This Topic    ''MAGIC AND MIRACLE OF THE JEWS''

This Questions are for the practitioners of The 6th and 7th Books of Mose :- Have You been successful in all the Experiments in the Book and what are Your Experiences?

Thank You

A man of the arts. it does feel refreshing to know that some people have the maturity to keep an open mind. 6/7th books of moses (there is no 8,9,10 as mentioned some uninformed).

I keep a collection of Grimoires for the purpose of illumination. I am of the opinion that a bulk of the arts are diluted, hidden through mistranslation or misinterpretaion and carry mistakes (maybe for a reason) and make-shift ceremonial literature. with some time to study, one can reveal What, How and Why Magick works and its origins and connection to man.

The Goetia, Lesser Key of Solomon (popularly known as lemegeton) is my concentration and I find it truly astonishing.