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Islam for Muslims / Re: Maoulud Nabiyy In Islam by LagosShia: 9:44pm On Dec 26, 2013
Rafidi :
[size=14pt]Is it an Innovation to Commemorate the Birth and Death Anniversaries of Awliya Allah?[/size]

The Wahhabis consider the honouring of birth and death anniversaries of awliya and divine personalities to be forbidden and an innovation. They are the staunch enemies of the awliya Allah and religious leadrs and consider the gatherings on their birth and death anniversaries to be (haram) prohibited.

Muhammad Hamid al-Faqi, the leader of group ‘Ansar al-Sunnat al-Muhammadiyya’ in his footnotes to his book al-Fath al-Majid writes:



“Remembering and celebrating on the days of birth and death of awliya amounts to one kind of worshipping them and respecting before them”.[1]

The root of all their mistakes is that because they have not determined any limit and margin for polytheism (shirk), tawhid and specially the meaning of 'ibada, they think that every kind of respect and honour is worship. As you must have noticed, he has brought the word of 'ibada and homage close to each other and imagines that both give the same meaning.

In the one of next chapters, we shall explain the meaning of 'ibada and clearly prove that every honour and respect to the virtuous servants of God with the intention that they are the ‘servants’ of Allah, does not result in their worship at all. Therefore, we shall examine this discussion from another angle (not polytheism in 'ibada).

Undoubtedly, Qur’an has repeatedly praised the Prophets and awliya with eloquent and rhetorical words.

About Zakaria, Yahya and others the Qur’an says:



“Surely they used to hasten, one with another, in deeds of goodness and to call upon Us, hoping and fearing, and they were humble before Us.” (al-'Anbiya: 90) .

Now, if in a gathering which is held under their name, someone portrays them in a similar manner which has come down in the contents of this verse and by this way honours them, has he done anything other than obeying the Holy Qur’an?

About the household of the Prophet, Allah (swt) says:



"And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive." (Dahr: 8 )

Now if the followers of Ali come together on the birthday of Amir al-mu'minin and say that Ali is one who used to give his own food to the poor, orphan and the captive, have they by this act worshipped him!?

If on the birthday of the Holy Prophet (s) we translate the verse which praises the Prophet into a non-Arabic language or write a poem on a tablet and recite it in a gathering, have we committed a forbidden action!?

They are having enmity with the matter of honouring the Holy Prophet (s) and awilya Allah that they wish to stop this under the pretext of fight against innovation.

At this stage a question is brought up to which the loud-speakers amongst the Wahhabis lay great emphasis and it is this: ‘Since these assemblies and gatherings are held under the name of religion and are labelled as Islamic, they should be approved specifically and generally by the Islamic rules. Otherwise it would be innovation (bid’at) and forbidden (haram).

The reply to this question is quite clear because the verses of Qur’an that draw our attention to the necessisty of honouring the Prophet is sufficient in this case and these kinds of gatherings are not held for any reason other than respecting the awliya Allah. That thing is considered to be ‘innovation’ which is not approved specifically or generally by Qur’an or the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet.

The purpose of these honourings which is common amongst all the nations of the world is nothing but paying respect and homage and this practise is common among all the Muslims of the world except for these handful of dry wahhabi ‘Najdis’. If it was innovation and something new and not confirming with the general Islamic principles, it was impossible that the Islamic scholars would celebrate the birthday of the Holy Prophet (s) and make splendid such gatherings by reading scholarly monographs and reciting sweet and elegant poems.

Here are some logical reasonings from Qur’an permitting such respect and honourings:

First Proof
The Holy Qur’an praises that group of people who honour the Holy Prophet (s):



“So (as for) those who believe in him and honour him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.” (A'raf: 157)

The words which have appeared in this verse comprises of:



Is it possible for one to think that the words , and are confined to the period of the Holy Prophet? Certainly not! If such a probability cannot be given about these three words, the word of which gives the meaning of honour and respect [2] cannot be assigned to the period of the Holy Prophet (s) and thus this sublime leader should be respected and honoured at all times.

Is it not that arranging memorial gathering on the day of bi'that and birth of the Holy Prophet (s) and delivering speeches and poems on such occasions clear evidence to ?

Surprisingly, the Wahhabis pay homage and respect their own tribal leaders and rulers and honour even one ordinary person such that observing one hundredth of that with regard to the Holy Prophet (s), his pulpit and alter is considered to be innovation and anti-Islamic by them. As a result they introduce Islam to the world as one dry religion lacking any sentiments and affections and think that the shari'a which is in fact simple and easy, matching with the human nature and feeling and generous enough to attract the people is a dry "shari'a" which does not consider the respect of divine leaders to be of any significance and does not possess the ability to attract the people of the world.


Second Proof
What do the Wahhabis who oppose any kind of mourning ceremonies for the martyrs in the way of Allah have to say about the story of Ya'qub ('a)? If today, this great Prophet was living amongst these Najdis and the followers of Muhammad bin ’Abd al-Wahhab how would have they judged him?

Day and night he was weeping for his separation from Yusuf and all the time he was asking the people about the whereabouts of his beloved son. He was so much sorrowful by the separation of his son that he lost his eye-sight. [3]

Sickness and loss of eye-sight did not deter Ya’kub (‘a) from forgetting his son Yusuf (‘a). Instead, as the promise of re-union was drawing closer the flames of love towards his son increased manifold and he could smell Yusuf miles away. [4]

And instead of the star (Yusuf) pursuing the sun (Ya'qub ('a)) it was vice -versa.

Why expression of such affection during the life of the loved one (i.e. Yusuf) is correct and confirms to Tawhid but after his death when the heart becomes more prone to pain and suffering it amounts to polytheism and becomes forbidden?

Now if the Ya'qubs of our time gather together every year on the death anniversary of their Yusufs and speak about the value of his moral qualities due to which they start crying, will such an act amount to worshipping of their sons!? [5]


Third Proof
Undoubtedly, (love towards kinship) is one of the Islamic obligations which Qur’an explicitly commends us towards it. Now, after fourteen centuries if someone wishes to act upon the religious obligations then what should we do? Is it not that he should rejoice on their joyous days and become sorrowful on the days of their grief and sorrow?

Now, for expressing one's own pleasure, if someone holds a gathering wherein he reveals their historical life and sacrifices and describes their innocence and their deprivation from their rightful claims then, has he done anything other than expressing his affection and manifesting mawadda dhawi'l qurba? ()

If, for showing more affection, such a person visits their progeny and comes near their graves and holds such gatherings near their graves then, has he in the eyes of the wise and intelligent people, done anything other than manifesting his love and affection!?

Except that the Wahhabis may say: Such love and affection should be kept secret and confined to the heart and no one has the right to manifest and express them (openly).

During the time of the Holy Prophet (s) and the period after him which was the period of change of thoughts and beliefs, different tribes and nations with different cultures and customs were turning towards Islam and by reciting the shahadatayn (creed) their Islam was accepted. The position of Prophet and the leaders was never to investigate, censor (by establishing the ‘section for scrutinizing of beliefs’) than dissolve the entire rites and customs of the nations and tribes and bring them out in another form different from the previous ones.

Respect of leaders, establishing memorial ceremonies, attending the graves and expressing love for their signs and traces was and is the custom of all nations and tribes. At present too, the people of East and West stand for hours in que waiting to pay visit to the mummified bodies and graves of ancient leaders in order to express their love and shed tears in their grief. They consider this to be one way for expressing respect and honour.

It was never seen that the Holy Prophet (s) would accept the Islam of people only after investigating their beliefs and examining their practises and customs in practical life. Instead, expressing the ‘Shahadatain’ was enough for him. If these practices and customs were forbidden and or amounted to worshiping the ancestors, then it was necessary to accept the Islam of nations and tribes (only) after taking allegiance and promise from them about their exoneration (of such practices) while such was never the case.


Fourth Proof:
We see Isa (‘a) asks for table (with food) from the Almighty Allah and introduces the day of its descension as the day of celebration and says:



“O Allah, our lord! send down to us food from heaven which should be to us an ever-recurring happiness, to the first of us and the last of us, and a sign from Thee, and grant us means of subsistence, and Thou art the best of the Providers.” (Maida: 114)

Is the value of the Holy Prophet's existence lesser than one heavenly table which Isa (‘a) declares the day of its descension to be the day of ‘Eid’. If such a day is declared to be the day of ‘Eid’ because of the table being a divine sign, then is not the Holy Prophet (s) the greatest divine sign!?

Woe to those who are ready to celebrate the day of descension of one heavenly table that feeds the stomachs but ignore and label as innovation, the celebration of the day of descension of Qur’an and the day of appointment (bi’that) of Prophet who blessed the minds of human beings with perfection of thought over the period of history !


Fifth Proof:
The Qur’an says:



“And exalted for you your esteem”? (Inshiraah: 4)

Is it that arranging gatherings for celebrating the days of birth of the Holy Prophet (s) having any purpose other than elevating his name and fame! Why in this case we should not follow the Qur’an? Is not Qur’an an example and the best model for us?

Notes:
[1] al-Fath al-Majid, page 154. At this time when these pages and papers are being composed, and in the entire Islamic countries celebrations are being held on the occasion of the birth of the Holy Prophet, the Mufti of the House of Sa’ud, Bin Baz has declared as forbidden and innovation any kind of respect for the birthday of the Holy Prophet (s). But the same person addressed King Faisal al-Sa’ud during his reign as ‘Amir al-mu'minin’ and this action was biting and shocking to the extent that the king too understood and excused for accepting this title.

[2] Refer to al-Raghib, Mufradat al-Raghib, under " ' dh r".

[3] Sura Yusuf: 84.

[4] Sura Yusuf verse: 94.

[5] Moreover, reliable traditions have come down from the Infallibles about holding of mourning ceremonies and in this connection, Allama al-'Amini has collected in one chapter of his book titled: all the traditions from Sunni books

source: http://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism/9.htm



LagosShia: it is not bid'ah to mark the birthday of the Prophet (sa),the 12 Imams (as) and members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and even prophets of Allah whose dates are known.

for it to be bid'ah it must be haram.any act that is not haram based on the Quran and the sunnah of Rasulullah (as) and the 12 rightly guided caliphs (as) is not bid'ah. a bid'ah must be haram act.if it is not haram act,then it is not bid'ah.that is the way to know a bid'ah.otherwise,using computer to preach Islam is also bid'ah and copying the kuffar because they invented the internet.

as for those saying birthday is pagan in origin,then must know that we are neither emulating the pagans nor worshipping the person whose birthday we are celebratory nor believing as the pagans did.

it is however not an obligatory act to celebrate birthdays of the chosen ones of Allah (swt).not marking it does not render one sinful nor does it make him less of a muslim and lover of the Prophet (sa).
Islam for Muslims / Re: Egyptian Gov't Declares Muslim Brotherhood "Terrorist Group" by LagosShia: 9:36pm On Dec 26, 2013
good news from egypt.the Sunnis are finally waking up to the dangers of Salafism/Wahhabism.

what is the difference between the Salafist brotherhood in egypt and Nigeria's boko haram? now the salafists in Egypt have started the car bombings and shedding the blood of innocent egyptians,the overwhelming majority of whom is muslim.
Islam for Muslims / Re: 15 Million Pilgrims At 2013 Arbaeen Commemoration In Kar'bala by LagosShia: 12:30pm On Dec 24, 2013
Shiites pack Iraq shrine city for mourning rituals

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

Karbala — Shiites from around Iraq and the world flooded the shrine city of Karbala on Tuesday for the peak of annual Arbaeen mourning rituals amid tight security after attacks killed dozens.

The central Iraq city saw millions of visitors over the 40-day period of mourning that follows the annual commemoration of the death of the Prophet Mohammed's grandson Hussein, who was slain by the forces of the caliph Yazid in 680 AD.

Karbala provincial council chief Nusaif al-Khatabi told AFP that 20 million people from some 40 countries made pilgrimages to Karbala this year, among them about one million Arabs and foreigners.

Last year around 18 million people made pilgrimages to Karbala, where Hussein is buried.

Army Staff Lieutenant General Othman al-Ghanimi said that 38,000 security forces members deployed to protect the faithful during the final 15 days of the pilgrimage.

But despite the security measures, militants were able to repeatedly strike pilgrims, many of whom make their way to Karbala on foot.

In some of the deadliest attacks, two car bombs south of Baghdad killed 24 people on December 16, while three suicide bombers attacked pilgrims three days later, leaving 36 people dead.

Sunni militants in Iraq including those linked to Al-Qaeda frequently target Shiites, whom they consider to be apostates.

"We challenged terrorism and we hope to die in the path of Hussein," said Jassem Jabr, 40, who spent 12 days walking to Karbala from south Iraq.

"If only the politicians would learn from the revolution of Hussein, who revolted against injustice and corruption," Jabr said.

More than 10 years after US-led forces toppled dictator Saddam Hussein, Iraq remains plagued by woefully lacking security, poor services, corruption and political deadlock.

Violence in the country surged this year to levels not seen since 2008, when Iraq was just emerging from a brutal period of sectarian killings.

Since the beginning of the year, more than 6,650 people have been killed and over 16,000 wounded in violence, according to AFP figures based on security and medical sources.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gsagcX1D3EpNvnEoUzuXL6fOeRXg?docId=6d079258-2328-44a1-a99b-3866815a93c2
Islam for Muslims / Re: AR'BAIN - 40days After Ashura! (Largest Peaceful Gathering On Earth) by LagosShia: 7:33pm On Dec 23, 2013
Ar'ba'een is the 40 days after the commemoration of the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) on Ashura.it marks the return of the captives of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) return and also the visitation of Jabir Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari (RA) to the grave of Imam Hussain (as).Jabir (ra) was a companion of Prophet Muhammad (sa).yearly,faithfuls walk in a symbolic gesture to Karbala.it seems in northern Nigeria,faithfuls who cannot make it to Karbala to march to the tomb of Imam Hussain (as),march to Zaria where the spiritual leader of the islamic movement is based-i.e. Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky.

you can read more about Ar'baeen and its significance in Islam:
https://www.nairaland.com/811368/ashura-commemorating-martyrdom-imam-hussain/3#9936199

https://www.nairaland.com/1563396/arbain-40days-after-ashura-largest

Arbaeen also has been the largest peaceful human gathering on earth for successive years.since the removal of Saddam and the Shia Muslim faithfuls (the majority in Iraq is Shia) regained freedom in Iraq,faithfuls have annually commemorated both Ashura and Ar'baeen.and for successive years,over an estimated 10-20 million faithfuls have converged on Karbala to mark Ar'baeen.

"According to the official website of BBC News and Press TV (Iran), over ten million people had reached the city of Karbala one or two days before Arba'een. The number of pilgrims was expected to rise to 18 million during the next two days, Arbaeen reached over 18 million in 2013."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arba'een
Islam for Muslims / Re: 15,000 Muslim Brotherhood In 90 Km Trek To Zaria by LagosShia: 7:29pm On Dec 23, 2013
Criminal Ibos: Katsina State – Dozens of members of
Muslim Brotherhood Movement from
Zamfara, Kebbi, Sokoto and parts of Katsina
State on Saturday began a 90-kilometre trek
to Zaria, Kaduna State.
Malam Qassim Sanda, the leader of the
group, told newsmen at take-off point in
Funtua, Katsina State that the exercise was
to commemorate the martyrdom of the
grand child of Prophet Muhammad.
The grandchild, Imam Hussaini ibn Asayyid-
Ali, was killed in Karbala in the present day
Iraq.
Sanda explained that the exercise was a
symbolic representation of unity of Muslim
faithful to further draw the attention to
Islamic history.

this is to mark Ar'ba'een (40 days after the commemoration of the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (as) ).it marks the return of the captives of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) return and also the visitation of Jabir Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari (RA) to the grave of Imam Hussain (as).Jabir (ra) was a companion of Prophet Muhammad (sa).yearly,faithfuls walk in a symbolic gesture to Karbala.it seems in northern Nigeria,faithfuls who cannot make it to Karbala to march to the tomb of Imam Hussain (as),march to Zaria where the spiritual leader of the islamic movement is based-i.e. Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaky.

you can read more about Ar'baeen and its significance in Islam:
https://www.nairaland.com/811368/ashura-commemorating-martyrdom-imam-hussain/3#9936199

https://www.nairaland.com/1563396/arbain-40days-after-ashura-largest

Arbaeen also has been the largest peaceful human gathering on earth for successive years.since the removal of Saddam and the Shia Muslim faithfuls (the majority in Iraq is Shia) regained freedom in Iraq,faithfuls have annually commemorated both Ashura and Ar'baeen.and for successive years,over an estimated 10-20 million faithfuls have converged on Karbala to mark Ar'baeen.

"According to the official website of BBC News and Press TV (Iran), over ten million people had reached the city of Karbala one or two days before Arba'een. The number of pilgrims was expected to rise to 18 million during the next two days, Arbaeen reached over 18 million in 2013."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arba'een
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 9:48pm On Dec 20, 2013
lanrexlan: @LagosShia and Al-Baqir,these companions have worked their own way.They were among the foremost people to accept Islam
Narrated Abu Said:The Prophet(pbuh) said:Do not abuse my companions for if any one of you spent gold equal to Uhud (in Allah's Cause) it would not be equal to a Mud or even a half Mud spent by one of them.[Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 5,Book 57,Hadith Number 22].We know what these companions spent during the expedition of Tabuk in the path of Allah.
The Quran says muslims shouldn't pray Janazah at the hypocrites burial,didn't muslims pray Janazah at these companions' burial? I am not forcing anything on you,just let us work our own ways and stop criticizing.
I don't expect a reply because I won't reply again.Assalam alaikum

brother you are contradicting yourself in more than one place.it is not a battle we are fighting against you.we are sharing ideas.we believe that out of the centuries of oppression and persecution the Shia were handed,the truth didnt spread to all Muslims.

we are not abusing anyone.we are just stating things as they happened,a reality your fellows have been deprived of and have been programmed to live in and accept denial.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 9:42pm On Dec 20, 2013
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Mr. Man,i dont really know who you are contending with.i wouldnt waste my time further.you said we are not allowed to "curse" (i.e. to send la'nah).i brought out verses from the Quran in which Allah (swt),Angels,Mankind and the Prophet (sa) engage in the act of sending la'na.

you misapplied verse 3:144 to refer to the war abu bakr fought to force people to hand him their wealth.i pointed about the context of verse 3:144 during the lifetime of the Prophet (sa).

no matter what Umar does,you will create excuses for him.your hadiths already give him many merits even to the extent of making him surpass the Prophet (sa) in several instances.if "independent thinking" can make a Muslim on several occasions to doubt,disobey and insult the Prophet (sa),then why dont we vindicate the christians by saying they are also applying "independent thinking"? indeed "independent thinking" can put one outside the bounds of Islam.the point in citing verse 3:144 is to make it clear that "almighty" Umar can err,go astray and also turn into disbelief.not all the instances may be recorded in the Quran,but one is sufficient enough for you to see that he can deviate.you should stop making him appear infallible.and if going by your words you do admit he wasnt infallible,then why dont you examine the incidents and call a spade a spade?
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 10:54am On Dec 20, 2013
lanrexlan: Eww,lame excuse.Ibn Hazim said Walid Ibn Jumai mentioned the names but he failed to provide the source.

first it was the reliability of Walid Ibn Jumai.the same person that is relied on in your "Sahihain" (by Bukhari and Muslim).now the issue is he did not provide the source.

WHAT SOURCE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

this is what Ibn Hazim said,and it has to do with the reliability of Walid Ibn Jumai:

Ibn Hazim:

"Hudhaifah's hadeeth is false, because it is narrated through Walid ibn Jumai – he is unreliable – it seems he does not know who fabricated the hadeeth, because he narrated many reports in which state that Aboo Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan, Talha and Sa’d ibn Abi Waqas, attempted to murder the Holy Prophet (saw) by pushing him over from Al-Uqbah during Tabuk. This is a fabricated lie!"

Source: Al-Muhalla. Vol. 11, Pg. # 224.

THE BELOW HADITH IN WHICH WALID IBN JUMAI REPORTS APPEARS IN YOUR 'ALMIGHTY SAHIH MUSLIM' :

Narrated Zuhair ibn Harb narrated Aboo Ahmad Al-Kufi narrated Al-Walid ibn Jumai from Aboo Tufail (r.a) reported that there was a dispute between Hudhaifah and one from the people of Uqbah as it happens amongst people. He said: I adjure you by Allah (swt) to tell me as to how many people from Uqbah there were. The people said to him (Hudhaifah) to inform him as he had asked. We have been informed that there were fourteen and If you are to be counted amongst them, then there would be fifteen and I state by Allah (swt), that twelve among them were the enemies of Allah (swt) and of His Messenger (saw) in this world and on the day in which witnesses are called out. The rest of the three put forward this excuse: 'We did not hear the announcement of Allah's Messenger (saw) and we were not aware of the intention of the people as he (the Holy Prophet) had been in the hot atmosphere. He (the Holy Prophet) then said: The water is small in quantity (at the next station). So nobody should go ahead of me, but he found people who had gone ahead of him and he cursed them on that day.

Source: Saheeh Muslim. Pg. # 1282, H # 2879.
I never denied that since,his companions are humans and they fall short.

WHO WAS WALID IBN JUMAI:

Ibn Sa'd Attestation Of Walid Ibn Jumai

Al-Walid ibn Abdullah ibn Jumai Al-Khuzahi is one of them (the fourth generation), he is Thiqah (Trustworthy) and he has (many) Hadeeth.

Source: Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir. Vol. 8, Pg. # 473.

Ibn Hibban mentioned him in his book 'Al-Thuqat' (i.e. "the trustworthy" ).

Abdullah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal narrates from his father and Aboo Dawood: 'There is no discussion about him', (meaning no objection).


Why shining your teeth? I've been asking the question since,check my posts.
check their names by yourself:
http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2012/02/companions-attempt-to-kill-prophet.html?m=1


I never denied that since,his companions are humans and they fall short.
can you cite examples to back up the above? thanks.


You are still talking about the same battle of Uhud,I repeat those that turned their heels in the battle of Uhud has been forgiven.We know some arabs turned apostate after the death of the prophet(pbuh) and those are the people that the verse of the Quran you quoted
[Surah Al-Imran 3:144] is talking about.Read this
Narrated Abu Huraira:When the Prophet(pbuh) died and Abu Bakr became his successor and some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief,'Umar said, "O Abu Bakr! How can you fight these people although Allah's Apostle said,'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say:'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,'and whoever said,'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah',Allah will save his property and his life from me,unless (he does something for which he receives legal punishment) justly,and his account will be with Allah?' "Abu Bakr said, "By Allah! I will fight whoever differentiates between prayers and Zakat as Zakat is the right to be taken from property (according to Allah's Orders).
By Allah! If they refused to pay me even a kid they used to pay to Allah's Apostle,I would fight with them for withholding it." Umar said,"By Allah:It was nothing,but I noticed that Allah opened Abu Bakr's chest towards the decision to fight,therefore I realized that his decision was right[Sahih Al-Bukhari Book 58,Hadith Number 59]
.These were those people that verse was pointing to,are they among those whom you have in mind??

no sir.

verse 3:144 refers to Umar running away from the battle of uhud and "turning back on his heels".

the ridda wars fought by abu bakr for zakat against those who refused his rule have nothing to do with this verse.

you said i am talking about the same battle of uhud where they "turned their heels".so you accept it is a verse about some sahaba who "turned on their heels" in lifetime of the Prophet (sa).then by your own (mis)interpretation you want to apply verse 3:144 on those believers who were butchered by Khalid Ibn al-Walid at Abu bakr's order because they refused to pay him zakat and considered Abu Bakr's rule as illegitimate.prominent among those killed was the companion Malik Ibn Nuweira (RA) who was a muslim among the people of yemen and he maintained he would not pay Abu bakr any zakat.

what Abu bakr was fighting for was for zakat and not for salat or the faith of Islam.so do not use your confusion to misapply Quranic verses.make up your mind as to what verse 3:144 is referring to.


Provide evidences please,what deed is greater than running away from the battlefield that can make a person falls into disbelief? Just curious.

check the Hadith of Pen and Paper.you will read about what deed is more heinous than running away from the battlefield.that deed is insulting and disobeying the Prophet (sa) while he was on his deathbed and calling him "delirious".


Does Allah ask you to curse the hypocrites? If they are alive,admonish them and if they are dead their reward is with Allah(swt).
The prophet (pbuh) forbade us when he said;Do not curse the dead;they will get it for what they had done (in this life).

Reported by Abud-Darda’ (RA):The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:When a person curses somebody or something,the curse goes up to heaven and the gates of heaven get closed.Then it comes down to the earth and its gates get closed.Then it turns right and left,and if it does not find an entrance to go anywhere,it returns to the person or thing that was cursed;if he or it deserves to be cursed;otherwise it returns to the person who uttered it.[Abu Dawud].I hate hypocrites as much as you do but that doesn't mean I should curse them.

The Quran, chapter 3 (Aale Imran), verse 86 to 87:
"How shall Allah guide a person who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the unjust people. (As for) these, their reward is that upon them is [size=18pt]the curse of Allah and the angels and of men,[/size] all together.

The Quran, chapter 3 (Aale Imran), verse 61:
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and ourselves and yourselves, then let us be earnest in prayer, [size=18pt]and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars[/size][size=8pt][/size].


I think we draw curtains on this,keep to your belief and let me keep to mine.

do not be afraid.it is not by force to adhere to my beliefs.but while you maintain yours,do not abuse the Quran and Sunnah and use confusion to claim what has no basis in Islam.

there is really no need for us to waste time going through arguments and counterarguments on the attempted assasination of the Prophet (sa).the facts and arguments and counterarguments have been treated here:
http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2012/02/companions-attempt-to-kill-prophet.html?m=1

you can either choose whatever position you want.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 10:47pm On Dec 19, 2013
bashir: Why are Shia people doing some trekking ritual or whatever from Kano to Zaria?

I normally could care less about whatever they choose to do with their time but when they decide to Block one side of a federal highway and declare it as their camp then it kind of becomes a problem for me and other people who are trying to get to their destinations peacefully and quickly.

What's even more surprising is that not even the Security Agencies seem to do anything about it. If they want to do some crazy trekking then let them follow the woods because i see no reason why my journey of 2 hours should become 6 hours because of some idiots who think they are so above the law that they can block a whole road for their personal reasons.

In the end its all the Governments fault for just looking at them while they do what they like anyway.

firstly,you are disguising your prejudice and hatred under this excuse that the Shia are obstructing free movement of vehicles on highway.

if i am to assume that there are Shia in that part of the world you mentioned who obstruct traffic when they are embarking on religious activity,then that act is frowned upon in Shia jurisprudence.one of the conditions for us to designate a place for worship and for our salat to be accepted is that the place must not be a public place that is forcefully acquired.likewise it makes no sense to use worship as an excuse to forcefully acquire a highway and put it under our grip for worship.i think this is not a Shia thing,but more of a thing about the people in that part of the world and their religious zeal.

another point you should take into consideration is that the issue of obstructing traffic during religious activities cuts across sects and religions.it is not peculiar to the Shia.when Redeem Christian Church of God holds its crusade,the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway is a no-go area.likewise when NASFAT (Sunnis) conducts its worship activities,there is obstruction to traffic.

your bad language and inciting remarks only expose you that you are not after reasons but to condemn others.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 10:23pm On Dec 19, 2013
lanrexlan: Sunni sources that made mention of the hypocrites were the saying related by Hudhaifah in Ibn Kathir and Sahih Muslim and no name were mentioned there.

my dear names are mentioned in sunni sources.i would not fall in this bait.if i even copy the hadiths,i risk being banned.i am sure you have an idea of the names of the hypocrites that wanted to assassinate the Prophet (sa).


Funny,let us have the names of those hypocrites.If they fall under the categories of the characteristics of hypocrites listed by the prophet(pbuh),then no problem.

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was it Maclatunji that pushed you to ask us this question?


Nobody says these companions of the prophet(pbuh) were perfect.These people are humans just like everyone and there aren't infallible.
that is good enough and fair enough.if you can admit to that,then what is the problem? we just need to go deep to scrutinize our history and you will know that they being fallible certainly have dire meanings to see them for the true image they were.


When some of the sahabas ran away from the battle of Uhud,we know it's bad to do that and that's a sin but their Lord has forgiven them.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Imran 3:155 -Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts met (i.e. the battle of Uhud),it was Shaitan (Satan) who caused them to backslide (run away from the battlefield) because of some (sins) they had earned.But Allah,indeed has forgiven them.Surely,Allah is Oft-Forgiving,Most Forbearing.If Allah(swt) has forgiven these people whom some Shias termed hypocrites because they ran away from the battlefield,then what's Shias problem with them?
The prophet(pbuh) gave the characteristics of an hypocrite,the question is does those whom Shia cursed fall under these categories listed by Muhammad(pbuh)?

we do not label them hypocrites because they ran away from the battlefield in that incident.the incident you are mentioning is just one of many more even after the "verse of forgiveness" you are using.

one thing is this:

Holy Quran 3:144
"Muhammad (SAW) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful."

clearly,the Quran has made it obvious that some sahaba on that day apostatized.we know the person who was first to run away in Uhud and "turn on his heels".if that person can fall into the "trap of shaitan" to turn to disbelief and abandon imaan once,then why do you find it impossible he did fall into disbelief on more occasions? or are you telling us: "once forgiven, never to sin again"?


My friend,Allah never ask you to curse the hypocrites.If Allah needs you do something he will reveal it in the Quran.When Allah needs the believers to send blessings on the prophet(pbuh),he revealed a verse for it[Surah Al-Ahzaab 33:56].
Allah doesn't ask you to curse the hypocrites,he ask the prophet(pbuh) to admonish them and speak words that will be effective on them.The curse of Allah is also on the disbelievers[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:89].Did Allah ask the prophet(pbuh)to curse them when inviting them to Islam? The prophet(pbuh) was even in deep grief over the disbelievers turning away from the Quran.He never gave up and I haven't find where the prophet(pbuh) cursed the hypocrites in Aqabah in that narration related by Ibn Kathir in his book.
Allah doesn't require you and any Shia to curse the hypocrites.These companions have worked their own way,if they were hypocrites then they will receive their due reward from Allah(swt) and Allah is never unjust to his slaves.

so does Allah (swt) ask you to send "blessing" upon the hypocrites? as i know of the Quran,we are asked to disassociate ourselves from the hypocrites and hypocrisy.right? sending "curse" (la'na) is one way of bara'a (disassociating oneself from them and expressing dislike for their acts).it doesnt at all mean if they were alive,we would not invite them to truth or reprimand them with the hope they repent.also the Prophet (sa) was told in the Quran that if he asks for them to be forgiven 70 times,they would not be forgiven.also we are not to join funeral prayers when they die.why?

the problem is in you using the blank term/title of sahaba.there were righteous companions we Shia are proud of and we honor.there were particular individuals among the sahaba we disagree on with you.it is worth making that clear.in that sense,you should use instead "some sahaba" instead of just "sahaba" when we are discussing them.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 10:08pm On Dec 19, 2013
maclatunji:

Hahahahahahahaaaa... let us put things in perspective. You are saying you do not think the 4 pious caliphs are grand abi? We will leave you to think whatever you want on that whilst we put a question mark on your comprehension skills.

However, to say anyone is a hypocrite is to say they are not Muslims and any serious Muslim has to take you up on it. Thankfully, Al-Baqir seems to have a list from the Qur'an according to him. We have to ask him to provide that list or simply keep quiet because the faith of a man would be impossible to determine beyond what he claims and does. Unless you want to tell us you are clairvoyant, we will need definitive proof.


i'd advice you to stop lying.Al-Baqir did not claim any list. you are dramatizing and running away from the truth.

in Islam,the Prophet and his Ahlul-Bayt (as) are a criteria for identifying imaan and exposing kufr and nifaaq.if you want to know a munafiqoon,identify those who oppressed and killed the Ahlul-Bayt (as).it doesnt need clairvoyance or rocket science.this is a reality you have been deprived of and you find yourself blinded even when you are aware of the torture and oppression the Ahlul-Bayt (as) endured in the hands of so called muslims right from day one when the Prophet (sa) passed away.another problem is you read clearly the instanced the Ahlul-Bayt (as) were oppressed from day one,but you turn a blind eye or you deny they took place.really i do not have any cure for this condition other than repeated admonition because i believe your own problem is not hypocrisy but lack of insight and the ability to understand.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 9:42pm On Dec 19, 2013
maclatunji:

Hahahahaha... I have not made any assertion regarding the Qur'an, your like-minded poster did and no one forced him to make it. It is one thing not to like the 4 rightly guided caliphs (RA), it is another to claim companions of the Prophet (SAW) are hypocrites.

By the way, I dislike hypocrites, who says they do not love the household of the prophet (SAW)? Definitely not moi.

in other words,you cannot match up to your own challenge.

my like-mided poster did not assert anyone's name is mentioned in the Quran.you are the one who was "trigger-happy" to make that shot thinking you've got a tight hold of my like-mided poster.

my like-minded poster said the obvious: the Quran doesnt group all the sahaba into one group.there are the pious ones referred to and the hypocrites too,even though without specifying their individual names in the Quran.likewise,the Quran did not mention those who have elevated into the level of angels.next time think well before you think you can act smart.if there is anything "smart" about Islam,smartness is Shia in nature!!!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 8:48pm On Dec 19, 2013
lanrexlan:

Who among those people stated in your link falls into these categories?
Funny enough,you directed me to a link of one of your Shia brothers.What I will write will be based on what's posted in that link.

When Walid Ibn Jumai was among the narrators of a saying recorded in Ibn Kathir which is a sunni source,they called him a liar and that saying of Hudhaifah a fabricated lie.
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Ibn Hazim claimed this narration of Hudhaifah is not reliable because it contains Walid Ibn Jumai among his narrators,therefore nullifying it.[Source:Al-Muhalla. Vol. 11, Pg. # 224.].This means Walid Ibn Jumai is unreliable and this saying was fabricated because it's a sunni source.

But when Ibn Hazim said that this same Walid Ibn Jumai revealed the names of the hypocrites in Shia sources[which wasn't even given in that link],then your brother agreed with him and quoted some scholars[which we don't know maybe they Shia scholars with Shia sources] praising Walid Ibn Jumai whom Ibn Hazim has already called 'unreliable' when he narrated through a sunni source.He says

Eww,it's very easy when a narration doesn't favor you it becomes fabricated.
So you decided to go with the story that favors your belief that the first three caliphs which Sunni believe in are hypocrites[Stated in your source].
You know what? Keep to your belief,we know they are hypocrites among the companions of the prophet(pbuh).Some which the prophet(pbuh)knew of and didn't know others.
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah An-Nisa 4:63 -They (hypocrites) are those of whom Allah knows what is in their hearts;so turn aside from them (do not punish them) but admonish them,and speak to them an effective word (i.e. to believe in Allah,worship Him,obey Him,and be afraid of Him) to reach their innerselves.Those hypocrites the prophet(pbuh)knew of,Allah has asked him to admonish them.

your sources have provided the names of the hypocrites who tried to assasinate the Prophet (sa).simple.

the problem is not in knowing who they were,as their actions in so many instances that you still find excuses to give for them makes their position clear.

the problem is even if the Prophet (sa) was to be resurrected today and he makes mention of them,you will still find your way around that declaration to justify the actions of everyone who you group under the title of "sahaba".funny enough,in sunni sources and practice you find error and mistakes in the actions of prophets,but you lack the courage to point out one error of even an infamous sahaba,so that you dont admit what the Shia hold that not all the sahaba were righteous,pious,pure,faithful,honest,sincere and loyal to the cause of Islam and the Prophet (sa).the problem is in you-a 1400 years old methodology and mentality based on denial.its your problem.



So why are Shias cursing the hypocrites??

it really doesnt look like we read the same Quran.as far the Quran i read is concerned,the hypocrites are the worst of creatures and would dwell in the deepest segment of hell fire.they are worse than the kuffar and the mushrikeen.Allah (swt) and His creatures have cursed them in the Quran and therefore it is incumbent upon us as Muslims to curse them in every salat and in every dua.that is exactly what we Shia do.we do not deny the favor of our Lord,and we do not try to dodge to deny His words and Sunnah.

Chapter 63 (the Hypocrites/al-Munafiqoon) of the Holy Quran,Verse no. 4:

"When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. [size=18pt]The curse of Allah be on them![/size] How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!"

Holy Quran 9:68
"Allah has promised the hypocrite men and hypocrite women and the disbelievers the fire of Hell, wherein they will abide eternally. It is sufficient for them. And [size=18pt]Allah has cursed them[/size], and for them is an enduring punishment."

therefore it is Allah's (swt) Sunnah as it is the Sunnah of the holy Prophet (sa) to curse the hypocrites.we too willl curse them until they repent if they ever do repent.the Prophet (sa) cursed them in Aqabah when they tried to assasinate him and they were 12 in number.it is your own duty to know their names so that you can save yourself from Allah's (swt) wrath by continually "blessing" them and asking Allah (swt) to be "pleased" with them.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 8:30pm On Dec 19, 2013
maclatunji:

You are the one that claimed the Qur'an as justification for your rather unislamic position. I have asked you to provide the names of those hypocrites named in the Qur'an so that we may dislike them with you.

we do not want you to dislike anyone.in fact we are here to teach love-love for the Ahlul-Bayt (as) which Allah (swt) has obliged Muslims to observe in the Quran (Verse of Mawaddah).

in like manner,please provide the names of those "rightly guided caliphs" in the Quran so as you can make it easy for us to "love" Abu Bakr,Umar and Usthman. please provide us with their names in the Quran and help us learn your "islamic position". cheesy

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 5:46pm On Dec 18, 2013
@brother Al-Baqir

Please keep in mind the below saying of our Imam (as) when you are engaging some people in this forum.

"I have never argued with an ignorant fool and won; nor have I argued with a rational person and lost"- Imam Ali (as).
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 10:25am On Dec 18, 2013
maclatunji: ^The arguments in the opening post are sound. Moreover, how does your argument improve your personal standing in relation to your individual reckoning and deeds? The people and issues you are writing epistles on and arguing bitterly about are long gone. Are you afraid that Allah will not give justice to everyone? To the point that you and your ilk have to bring the same issue into virtually everything from brushing your teeth to smashing rocks for making gravel.

#Bothersome

of course brother,the (political) arguments must be "sound" to you,otherwise your name wont be Maclatunji.

as for the usual question about how those of the past affect our standing today,i will quote excerpts from previous replies which should be sufficient:


I'd answer your words,by just reminding you in case you've forgotten,that just few posts ago,you brought us a forged hadith which issues a blank cheque to the title of "companions",and asks us to follow the Prophet (sa) and the "companions",without specifying which of the companions;was it one of the companions who converted to Christianity?!

if we don't look back into the past to know who we are following,then how can we just blindly follow them? It doesn't make sense.

Go to the book of Allah (swt),and you will find the stories of Musa (as) and the Pharoah,Nimrod,Zhul-Qarnain,Dawud (as) and Jalut,and many.why is Allah (swt) taking us to all these past stories and condemning Fir'awn and praising the prophets (as),calling them His "righteous servants" and "pious" ?just story telling? I don't think so.ponder about it,and see why we must know our past,and who the trustworthy and praiseworthy were and who the blameworthy and villains we must shun were,as per the standard of the Quran and the Ahlul-Bayt (as).only going back to the Thaqalain,which Prophet Muhammad (sa) left for us can guide this ummah and unite us.any other is waste of time and straying from Islam into either misguidance or disbelief.


We turn to old issues particularly the caliphate because those issues have contributed to the reality that the majority of Muslims today are ignorant and on false beliefs,and many are ready to blow themselves up to kill those who disagree with them.is this the Islam of Muhammad (sa) and his Ahlul-Bayt (as)? I doubt.in fact if you go to Bukhari and Muslim,you find fabricated Sunni hadiths demonizing the Prophet (sa) and portraying him as a tyrant who oppressed people,just in order to justify the oppression the caliphs perpetrated and the torture men like al-hajjaj ibn yusuf al-thaqafi used to punish muslims with.you can take the hadith which accuse the Prophet (sa) of nailing the eyes of people (this is in sahih muslim) as example.false hadith that the Prophet (sa) committed mass murder against the jews (in sahih bukhari) also.this is the sunnah of jahiliyyah which quraysh and the arabians practiced.once Muhammad (sa),the mercy unto mankind passed away,they wanted to revive this sunnah of criminality and terror,which the Prophet (sa) fought against in self-defense.his family members (the Ahlul-Bayt) were first to suffer once the Prophet (sa) died.as an example,you have the tragedy of Karbala,where the grandson of the Prophet (sa)-Imam Hussain (as)- was beheaded,his women (including the grand-daughters of the Prophet) were taken as captives to the sunni caliph yazeed.how does that affect us today? We both follow two different paths.you follow the path of those sahaba who usurped power and imposed themselves on the ummah,and caused bloodshed,and we follow the legacy of the prophet of mercy and his Ahlul-Bayt (as).this is a fundamental difference that many don't see,but have made Islam synonymous with terrorism since the majority of muslims are on the former (path).our paths and the legacies we follow are not the same.

Take for instance what was done to Muhammad (ra) son of abu bakr.he ironically was a Shia of Imam Ali (as).on the authority of Muawiya,the sunni caliph and a successor of abu bakr,Muhammad (ra) was killed by Amr Ibn Aas and his corpse was loaded on a donkey and both were burnt! Where is the grave of Muhammad ibn Abu bakr? Do you know?well that is not the issue.the issue and catastrophe for this ummah is when the names of muawiya or amr ibn aas are mentioned,sunnis exclaim: "may Allah be pleased with him".in that way,its not bad too if you say "may Allah be pleased with fir'awn".it sounds funny,no doubt,but we are in deep trouble.the ummah of Muhammad (sa) fails to see that the legacy of jahiliyyah and bloodshed of pre-islamic times crept back with the death of the Prophet (sa),and even the Ahlul-Bayt (as) were victims.when the head of Imam Hussain (as) was taken to damascus,as a sign of triumph to the court of yazeed (whom by the way salafists do not condemn but even praise),yazeed made it clear that the grandson of Muhammad (sa) was beheaded as part of vengeance for his pagan ancestors whom the Prophet (sa) had killed in the battle of badr.you expect me to unite with someone who hold a favorable view of yazeed?

And furthermore,in both sunni and shia hadiths,the Prophet (sa) said: "he who dies without knowing the imam of his time,has died the death of jahiliyyah".who is the imam of the time for sunnis? If you as a sunni die today,who is the "imam of your time"? You don't know wallah!then in both Shia and Sunni hadiths,the Prophet (sa) said : "the successors after me are twelve".obviously,they can't be 13! To the Shia the awaited 12th Imam (aj) is our imam of the time.do sunnis know their 12 successors? Wallah you deny the most authentic of your hadith.the hadith of 12 imams is found in Sahih Muslim.again you fabricate or twist interpretations to suit your beliefs.the sunni caliphs were more than 30!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Iranian Shia Intellectual Arrested For Questioning The Core Of Shiism by LagosShia: 9:57pm On Dec 17, 2013
clearly,the above account from the aforementioned source (a website of hate) is designed for propaganda and hatred against the Shia Muslims and its lack truth and honesty.firstly,the author of the article stated:

“He [Ali] is not just the political ruler for a few days of passing power in this world. Ali, more than being the commander of the faithful, is the imam and the role model for humanity.”

the title of the article is: “Imam Ali, a Political Leader or a Religious Model?”

what was the aim of the article?

the author is a well-known member of the Freedom Movement of Iran [Nehzat-e Azadi-e Iran],” the opposition party that has been banned from political activities for more than two decades. During the past three decades, especially after the unrest following the 2009 presidential elections, a number of party members, including its leader and other prominent figures, were arrested.

Why was he arrested? for religious or political stance?

the arrest of the author is political because his article was aimed at undermining the regime of the Islamic republic,and not because of his beliefs.why would a regime that keep pushing for Shia-Sunni unity jail an author for his beliefs that other muslims (non-Shia) adhere to? Iran is a country too with a minority Sunni population.if it was in saudi arabia,yes i can believe that an author can land in jail for his beliefs.both saudi arabia and qatar (which adhere to the Sunni Wahhabi school of thought) have jailed authors for "insulting" the companions,and even "insulting" the monarchy when their citizens ask for basic islamic and human rights.

“The establishment in Iran is stressing the point that the velayat-e faqih [guardianship of the jurist] is in fact the continuation of the rulership [velayat] of Imam Ali. Knowing this fact, Gharavi still emphasized the point that Imam Ali was more of a spiritual leader than a political one. In other words, he has questioned the position of Ayatollah [Ali] Khamenei as the political leader.” In one part of the article Gharavi wrote, “Imam Ali repeatedly mentions in Nahj al-BalaghaI [a book of quotations and sermons attributed to him] that political rule can only be achieved by people voting and paying allegiance.”

as you can see,the author has a political line of thinking and belonging to an outlawed party that are in total opposition to the regime's.

as far as voting and paying allegiance goes,it does not contradict the concept of divine appointment.even the Prophet Muhammad (sa) was given allegiance and he also encouraged shura.the Quran says:

Holy Quran 42:38
"Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance";

does the fact that the Prophet (sa) seeks consultation or takes allegiance make him less of one who is bestowed with divine knowledge and is chosen by Allah (swt)?

the Isma ( "infallibility" ) of the Ahlul-Bayt (as)

anyone who tries to assign sin to the Ahlul-Bayt (as) as clearly gone against the words of Allah (swt) in the Verse of Purification of the Holy Quran:

"Allah surely wills to keep sin away from you, O People of the House! And to purify you an absolute purification". (33:33)

in Hadith al-Thaqalain,the "Two Weighty Things" as declared by the Holy Prophet (sa) are the the Quran and the Ahlul-Bayt (as).these two will never separate and whoever holds on to both shall never go astray.if the adherence to the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is tied to adherence to the Quran,then sound logic and reason dictate that the chosen members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) cannot lead astray and they are as pure and full guidance as the Quran itself! in fact one of the titles of Imam Ali (as) himself is "al-Quran al-Nathiq" (the talking Quran).


The Relationship Between Imam Ali (as) and the 3 Sunni caliphs
-the most malignant sunni sources to the Shia (like "Sahih Bukhari" ) have recorded that for a period of at least 6 months Imam Ali (as) withheld his allegiance from Abu Bakr and he did not take part in any public function.why? because he deemed himself more worthy of and rightful to the caliphate.

-the exchanges between Umar and Ibn Abass (RA) reveals Umar's admission the caliphate was usurped!

-Imam Ali's (as) demanded that the Sahaba in the plain of Rahba confess that he was the one chosen by the Prophet (sa) as successor in Ghadir Khumm.

-the purported excerpts of the article presented by the biased website (as that of the arrested author) in the above (in the OP) is not verified,and can either be utterly false and fabricated or mistranslated from persian as one of Imam Ali's (as) letter to Muawiya is mistranslated deliberately to send the wrong impression.also it contains mistranslation (obviously deliberately).Imam Ali (as) was addressing Muawiya,who challenged Imam Ali's (as) rule as caliph for both Sunnis and Shia (after Usthman was killed) in the Battle of Siffeen,using rhetoric thus:

"Verily those who swore allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman have sworn allegiance to me on the same basis on which they swore allegiance to them. On this basis, he who was present has no choice (to reconsider), and he who was absent has no right to reject. And consultation was confined to Emigrant and Helpers. If they agree on an individual and name him leader, it was supposed that it is Allah’s satisfaction. If any one goes against such decision due to innovation, they (used to) return him from what he kept away, and if he refuses (to abide the decision) they (used to) fight him for following a course other than of the believers, and Allah will put him back from where he had run away."

-from the same Nahjul-Balagha,we read clear from Sermon #3 of Imam Ali (as) his position on Abu Bakr and Umar in regards to the caliphate and its usurpation:


Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly up to me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.
Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was pricking in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself.

It is strange that during his lifetime he wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other one after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation.

Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a group and regarded me to be one of them. But good Heavens! what had I to do with this "consultation"? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high. One of them turned against me because of his hatred and the other got inclined the other way due to his in-law relationship and this thing and that thing, till the third man of these people stood up with heaving breasts between his dung and fodder. With him his children of his grand-father, (Umayyah) also stood up swallowing up Allah's wealth like a camel devouring the foliage of spring, till his rope broke down, his actions finished him and his gluttony brought him down prostrate.

At that moment, nothing took me by surprise, but the crowd of people rushing to me. It advanced towards me from every side like the mane of the hyena so much so that Hasan and Husayn were getting crushed and both the ends of my shoulder garment were torn. They collected around me like the herd of sheep and goats. When I took up the reins of government one party broke away and another turned disobedient while the rest began acting wrongfully as if they had not heard the word of Allah saying:

That abode in the hereafter, We assign it for those who intend not to exult themselves in the earth, nor (to make) mischief (therein); and the end is (best) for the pious ones.(Qur'an, 28:83)

Yes, by Allah, they had heard it and understood it but the world appeared glittering in their eyes and its embellishments seduced them. Behold, by Him who split the grain (to grow) and created living beings, if people had not come to me and supporters had not exhausted the argument and if there had been no pledge of Allah with the learned to the effect that they should not acquiesce in the gluttony of the oppressor and the hunger of the oppressed I would have cast the rope of Caliphate on its own shoulders, and would have given the last one the same treatment as to the first one. Then you would have seen that in my view this world of yours is no better than the sneezing of a goat.



By Allah I shall not be like the badger, which feigns sleep on continuous (sound of) stone-throwing till he who is in search of it finds it or he who is on the look out for it overpowers it. Rather, I shall ever strike the deviators from truth with the help of those who advance towards it, and the sinners and doubters with the help of those who listen to me and obey, till my day (of death) comes. By Allah I have been continually deprived of my right from the day the Prophet died till today.

Reference:
• Sermon #6 in Nahjul Balagha



One of Amir al-mu'minin's companions (from Banu Asad) asked him: "How was it that your tribe (Quraysh) deprived you of this position (Caliphate) although you deserved it most." Then in reply he said:
O' brother of Banu Asad! Your girth is loose and you have put it on the wrong way. Nevertheless you enjoy in-law kinship and also the right to ask, and since you have asked, listen. As regards the oppression against us in this matter although we were the highest as regards descent and the strongest in relationship with the Messenger of Allah. It was a selfish act over which the hearts of people became greedy, although some people did not care for it. The Arbiter is Allah and to Him is the return on the Day of Judgement.
Come and look at the son of Abu Sufyan (Mu`awiyah). Time has made me laugh after weeping. No wonder, by Allah; what is this affair which surpasses all wonder and which has increased wrongfulness. These people have tried to put out the flame of Allah's light from His lamp and to close His fountain from its source. They mixed epidemic-producing water between me and themselves. If the trying hardships were removed from among us, I would take them on the course of truthfulness otherwise:

"... So let not thy self go (in vain) in grief for them; verily Allah knoweth all that they do." (Qur'an, 35:8 )

Reference:
• Sermon #162 in Nahjul Balagha


Where are those who falsely and unjustly claimed that they are deeply versed in knowledge, as against us, although Allah raised us in position and kept them down, bestowed upon us knowledge but deprived them, and entered us (in the fortress of knowledge) but kept them out. With us guidance is to be sought and blindness (of misguidance) is to be changed into brightness. Surely Imams (divine leaders) will be from the Quraysh. They have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs.
They have adopted this world and abandoned the next world; left clean water and drunk stinking water. I can almost see their wicked one who committed unlawful acts, associated himself with them, befriended them and accorded with them till his hair grew grey and his nature acquired their tinge. He proceeded onward emitting foam like a torrential stream not caring whom he drowned, or, like fire in straw, without realising what he burnt.



Where are the minds which seek light from the lamps of guidance, and the eyes which look at minarets of piety? Where are the hearts dedicated to Allah, and devoted to the obedience of Allah? They are all crowding towards worldly vanities and quarrelling over unlawful issues. The ensigns of Paradise and Hell have been raised for them but they have turned their faces away from Paradise and proceeded to Hell by dint of their performances. Allah called them but they showed dislike and ran away. When Satan called them they responded and proceeded (towards him).


Reference:
• Sermon #144 in Nahjul Balagha


...None in the Islamic community can be taken at par with the Progeny of the Prophet (Alu Muhammad). One who was under their obligation cannot be matched with them. They are the foundation of religion and pillar of Belief. The forward runner has to turn back to them while the follower has to overtake them. They possess the chief characteristics for vicegerency. In their favour exists the will and succession (of the Prophet). This is the time when right has returned to its owner and diverted to its centre of return.


Reference:
• Conclusion of Sermon #2 in Nahjul Balagha
Islam for Muslims / Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 8:21am On Dec 09, 2013
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Islam for Muslims / Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 11:15pm On Dec 08, 2013
Someone is really mistaking the Shia for Wahhabis/Salafists and their sick ideology of terror.

It would be ideal though for us to know how many of those who call themselves Muslims but do not believe in the Wilayah of Ali (as) have been killed and their mosques destroyed for that reason? We see a genocide in Pakistan against the Shia and massacres in Iraq,and the destruction of their mosques and civilian lives.yet with all the effontery we have someone disregarding the facts and asking ridiculous questions on issues that the Shia do not adhere to and do not believe in,but they believe killing anyone for his belief goes against the sanctity of life upheld in the Holy Quran (in Surat al-Israa) and the freedom of belief in Surat al-Kahf V29.

Who are those calling themselves Muslims that kill Christians and destroy their churches the world over? Is it the Shia? I have never heard that in the news.who blow themselves in Shia mosques? Who randomly and indiscriminate target Shia civilians in Iraq for no crime than them being Shia? Is it the Shia? It is those among Sunnis that adhere to the Wahhabi/Salafist cult.

Bring one example of a Shia suicide bomber in a Sunni mosque or Christian church.if you cant bring one example then shut up.this challenge has previously been put up and you failed.i am still waiting for your example even with the passing of time.

Why try to be ridiculous? If not for the Shia scholars who uphold the principles of the Quran,due to anger of the masses there would have remained no Sunni in Iraq.after every massacre,as it happened in 2006 with the bombing of the Askariyyah Mosque (an holy Shia site) in Samarra,Ayatollah Sistani passed a fatwa to forbid any vengeful attack on Sunnis. Yet there are Wahhabi/Salafist cleric that do not spare a second in inciting bloodshed and killing of Muslims.which Quran do you follow? Have you not read "there is no compulsion in religion"? Have you not read "Let him who wills believe,and let him who wills disbelieve"? Have you not read "for you your religion and to me my religion"? You have destroyed the image of Islam and Muslims.look at nairaland how Christians view Muslims with contempt.it is your shedding of innocent blood that is responsible.so much so that even the rightful cause Muslims have a right to defend in Palestine and elsewhere are no longer tolerated or treated with sympathy.they see all Muslims as the same and troublemakers.if not for divine privilege of being a Shia Muslim and a follower of the Ahlul-Bayt (as),i cannot stand Islam under the Sunni branch of Banu Umayyah.Hind ate the liver of Hamza (as) and today her followers in Syria are eating the severed heart of the dead.her grandson (yazeed) beheaded the grandson of the Prophet (Imam Hussain) and today the followers of the ummayyad legacy behead people and mutilate their bodies.do we follow the "islam" of Banu Ummayyah (and the traditions of jahiliyyah Quraish) or do we follow the mercy of mercy preached by Prophet Muhammad (sa) and his oppressed Ahlul-Bayt (as)? The choice is yours!
Islam for Muslims / Re: Shia-islam-what Do You Know Or Would Like To Know? by LagosShia: 10:42pm On Dec 08, 2013
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Do you (as a Shia) deny that anybody who calls himself a muslim and does not believe in the wilayat of Ali is kafir and should be killed?
Do you (as a Shia) deny that at the time of the Al-Raj'ah anyone who does not believe in the wilayat of Ali will be killed?

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Islam for Muslims / Enquiries Into Islam: The Punishment Of Amputation Of The Hands For Theft by LagosShia: 7:11pm On Dec 07, 2013
Published On: Sat, Dec 7th, 2013 
   
Enquiries into Islam: Is the Punishment of Amputation of the Hands, Rough and Violent?

Before answering this question it is essential to mention the conditions which govern the punishment of amputation of a thief’s hand.

From the entire collection of Islamic traditions, it can be inferred that there are numerous requirements, which have to be fulfilled, in order that this Islamic punishment is put into execution, and failing which, initiating this punishment is not permissible. Some of these requirements are as follows:

• The item that is stolen should possess a value of at least one-fourth of a dinar.1

• It should have been stolen from a secured place such as a house, a shop, internal pockets etc.

• The theft should not have taken place during famines and droughts, when the people are suffering from hunger and possess no means.

• The thief should be sane and an adult, and should have committed the act out of his own choice and free will.

• This ruling shall not be applicable in the case of a father, who steals from the property of his son, or a partner, who does so from the property of the partnership.

• Stealing fruits from the trees of a garden has also been exempted from this ruling.

• Every instance, in which there exists a likelihood of error on the part of the thief that he may have mistaken other’s property as his own, is exempted this ruling.

• In addition to the above, there are some other conditions, which have been mentioned and explained in books of jurisprudence.

The above should not be mistaken to mean that theft is prohibited and unlawful only when all the above conditions gather together; in Islam, theft in every form, in every measure and in every way is prohibited and unlawful. What is meant by the above conditions is that only under such circumstances can this penalty be put into execution.

The measure in which the hand should be amputated

It is popular amongst our (Shia) jurists that on the basis of the traditions of the Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) only the four fingers of the right hand must be amputated and not more – unlike the Sunni jurists, who have stipulated more than this (i.e. over the wrist).

Is this Islamic penalty rough and violent?

Very often the opponents of Islam and even some of the less knowledgeable Muslims have levelled this objection that this Islamic penalty appears to be intensely harsh, and if this ruling were to be implemented in today’s world, there would be numerous hands which would have to be cut. In addition, enforcement of this ruling would entail that a person, in addition to losing an important part of his body, would become infamous and notorious all throughout his life.

In answering this objection, attention ought to be paid to this reality that:

Firstly: Just as we had mentioned in the conditions of this ruling that not every thief shall become encompassed by this law, rather, there shall be only one group of dangerous thieves, who shall be formally subjected to this punishment.

Secondly: In view of the fact that in Islam there are several requirements and conditions that need to be met in order to prove a crime, the occurrence of this punishment further diminishes.

Thirdly: Many of the objections which people, possessing less knowledge, have propounded against the Islamic laws is simply because they have sought to examine this one ruling, independently and without taking into account its other rulings; in other words, they attempt to envisage that ruling in a completely non-Islamic society.

But if we were to take into consideration the fact that Islam is not just one ruling but a collection of rulings, which when implemented in a society results in enforcement of social justice, fight against poverty, correct education and training, awakening, awareness and piety, then it would become manifest that very few people would become eligible for this punishment. However, it should not be mistaken to mean that in today’s societies this ruling should not be enforced; rather, it means that all these aspects and dimensions ought to be taken into consideration at the time of judgement.

In short, an Islamic government is duty-bound to fulfill the basic needs of all the individuals of the country, impart to them the necessary education and also train them with respect to ethics and morals; it is self-evident that in such an environment, offenders shall be few and far in between.

Fourthly: If we observe theft to be rampant today, it is because such rulings are not being enforced; and hence, in environments in which this Islamic ruling is enforced (like Saudi Arabia, in which until very recently this ruling had been in force), extraordinary safety is observed to prevail over them with regards money and property.

Numerous pilgrims to the House of Allah (s.w.t.) have personally witnessed purses and wallets containing money lying on the roads and in the streets with none possessing the courage to touch them until such a time that the functionaries of the Department of Collection of Lost Items carry them to the mentioned department from where the owners retrieve their lost items by presenting the necessary identifications. Most of the shops are not locked at night but despite this, no one attempt to break into them.

Interestingly, this Islamic ruling – despite being in force for centuries and under whose shade the Muslims in the initial stages of Islam lived in peace, security and comfort – has only been implemented upon a very few number.

Is the amputation of a few criminal hands an extravagant price to pay for the several-century security of a nation?

Some people object: Is the execution of this penalty with respect to a thief for the sake of a quarter of a dinar not in contradiction with Islam’s immense respect for the life of the Muslims and the importance attached by it for protecting them from all harms? This is especially so in view of the fact that the atonement money, stipulated by Islam, for cutting four fingers of a person is an amount, which is excessive and extravagant.

Incidentally, this same question, as reported in some of the books of history, had been put to the distinguished scholar ‘Alam al-Huda – the late Sayyid Murtadha – a thousand years ago. The questioner presented his query in the form of a couplet, which is as follows:

يَدٌ بِخَمْسِ مِئَين عَسْجَدٍ وُوَدِيَتْ مَا بَالُهَا قُطِعَتْ فِي رُبْعِ دِيْنَارٍ؟
“The hand, whose atonement is five hundred dinars; why should it be amputated for a quarter of a dinar?”2
Sayyid Murtadha, in reply, recited this couplet:
عِزُّ الاَمَانَةِ أَاغْلاَهَا وَ أَارْخَصَهَا ذِلُّ الْخِيَانَةِ فَافْهَمْ حِكْمَةَ الْبَارِيْ
“The honour of trustworthiness made it high-priced, while the abjectness of treachery lowered its value, so comprehend the wisdom of Allah.”3 and 4
 
1.One dinar is equal to one legal mithqal of coined gold, and one legal mithqal is equivalent to 18 barley grains. Thus, one legal mithqal is equal to ¾ ordinary mithqal.
2.Of course, it must be noted that five hundred dinars is in the event that five fingers are cut. However, as we have previously mentioned, according to the Shi’a faith, only four fingers are to be cut for theft.
3.This incident has been mentioned in vol. 6, pg. 134 of Tafsir Alusi, however, it has been attributed to Alam al-Din al-Sakhavi instead of ‘Alam al-Huda.
4.Tafsir-e-Namuna, vol. 4, pg. 376
 
Source: "180 Questions-Enquiries About Islam Volume 2" by  Ayatullah Nasir Makarim Shirazi

http://www.aimislam.com/enquiries-into-islam-is-the-punishment-of-amputation-of-the-hands-rough-and-violent/

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Imam Hussein’s Sacrifice Remains Relevant To This Day? by LagosShia: 9:51pm On Dec 05, 2013
vedaxcool: This article contains a huge lie, muawiyyah was not responsible for Ali death, the Kariwajites who ironically were shias who turned against Ali r. a for accepting arbitration with muawiyyah. Like wise Hussein death had the the despicable hands of hypocrites who pretended to be his followers. A great lesson to learn is standing up for what is right and being careful of the sort of followers u have.

It would have been better if you kept quiet because your post only goes to expose your hypocrisy.you have one finger pointing at others while the remaining four are pointing back at you.

Talking about being careful about the sort of followers you have,can we start talking about certain individuals you shield under the cloak and title of "sahaba" to silence others? The sort of followers that would disobey the orders of the Prophet of God and insult him by calling him delirious? Please just stop there because you cant endure these facts and you may need Big Daddy to start hiding posts and banning people grin

A leader is held accountable for his own actions and not for the wrong actions of his followers who refuse to reflect his principles.

For your info,Imam Hussain (as) knew his loyal followers and also the hypocrites,but yet nothing deterred him from rejecting the rule of tyranny,oppression and injustice,and standing up for his right and that of Islam.

For your info too,the man who started the Tawwabun (penitents) movement was a companion of the Prophet (sa) by the name of Sulayman Ibn Surad (ra).do you also want to condemn him among the hypocrites of Kufa,or do you want to see the truth that the Kufan hypocrites had no faith at all and belonged to no religion? he started this movement out of guilt for not defending Imam Hussain (as) in Karbala.this movement was aimed at redemption and seeking forgiveness for not yielding to the call of Imam Hussain (as),as many of the people of Kufa also failed to defend Imam Hussain (as).some had shortcomings,some out of fear and intimidation,while others (the hypocrites) out of pure treachery and love of money.yet still,a Kufan Shia, like Hani Ibn Urwa (ra) sacrificed his life for embracing Imam Hussain's (as) call.the Kufans were the good,the bad and the ugly,at that time.

The truth is loyalty and treachery are found in people of different faiths and creeds.nonetheless the choice of people between right and wrong is not what determine what is truth and falsehood,nor does it judge which principles or creed is the best to follow in the path of God.Imam Ali (as) beautifully puts it: "know the truth and you will know those who follow it".in other words it is not the actions of people that defines truth and falsehood,but it is the truth that defines what people follow.
Islam for Muslims / Why Imam Hussein’s Sacrifice Remains Relevant To This Day? by LagosShia: 7:58pm On Dec 05, 2013
Published On: Wed, Dec 4th, 2013    

Why Imam Hussein’s sacrifice remains relevant to this day?



While Sunni and Shiite Muslims across the world, remember and commemorate Ashura- which falls on the tenth day of Muharram on the Islamic calendar – for two very different reasons, this day, which will forever bear heavy on Islam’s history, very much represent Men’s inner fight against evil, tyranny, oppression and senseless violence.

According to Islamic tradition, Ashura marks the day Prophet Musa (AS) led his people out of Egypt and away from Pharaoh’s yoke, the day Prophet Nuh (AS) was allowed by God to leave the ark and return to land, the day God accepted Prophet Adam’s repentance (AS) for defying his commandment and being cast out of Paradise, the day God allowed Prophet Ibrahim (AS) to escape unscathed from Nemrod’s furious pyre, the day Prophet Ayub (AS) was restored back to health after much suffering, the day God spoke directly to Prophet Musa (AS) and instructed him on his commandments, the day Prophet Yusuf was reunited with his father prophet Yacub (AS), the day Prophet Dawud (AS) was forgiven his transgression, the day Prophet Suleiman’s kingdom was restored (AS), the day Prophet Yunus (AS) was taken out of the belly of the fish and most importantly the day Imam Hussein ibn Ali (AS) stood up to tyranny and heresy and committed the ultimate martyrdom.

Beyond any particular Islamic school of thought Ashura has forever been a day of tribulation; but above all it is a day which Islam will come to remember as a day of sacrifice and also ultimate altruism, when the House of the Prophet’s blood came to taint the earth to denounce treachery and deceit.

Just as Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was sent as a blessing to purify Men’s religion, a gift from God to his undeserving Creation, Imam Hussein’s sacrifice was meant as a beacon, a symbol for future generations, a clear sign that no matter the price, one should always endeavour to oppose injustice, wherever it may lie and to whatever cost, as the path of the righteous can only be found in selflessness and the realisation that one’s life is but ephemeral.

As per related by Ibn Abbas, “the Holy Prophet (PBUH) arrived in Medina and found the Jews observing fast on the day of Ashura… They said, “It is the day of great significance when Allah delivered Prophet Musa (AS) and his people and drowned Pharaoh and his people, and Prophet Musa (AS) observed fast out of gratitude. And we also observe it.”

The Holy Messenger of Allah (PBUH) responded, “We have more right, and we have closer connection with Prophet Musa (AS) than you have”; so Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) observed fast [on the day of ‘Ashura] and gave us orders to observe it.”

Ashura carries great historical significance in that, it has, since the dawn of time been associated and linked to defining moments in men’s history and men’s religious journey toward God.

If every generation of men before us was sent its own message, its own signs to help it navigate the turbulent waters of its time, ours was given the brightest one yet, the gift of Imam Hussein.

When Imam Hussein stood betrayed in Karbala, surrounded by an army of thousands of men, his heart neither falter nor betrayed him. His hand steady on his sword rose to the sky time and time again to slay the enemies of Islam. Injured and pierced by great many arrows, his fury had no limit as he came to embody God’s wrath on the infidels. By sacrificing his life, Imam Hussein lit the way for our generation; his actions were meant as a sign, a guide for us to follow in the face of evil.

While it is in men’s nature to flee and cower before oppression, Imam Hussein taught us that in surrender to tyranny neither mercy, nor salvation exist, for only the truth should guide our lives.
In times such as ours, Ashura should evermore echo in our hearts, as Islam stands surrounded on all sides; Muslims ridiculed and branded radicals should they choose to proclaim openly their faith and devotion to God’s commandments.

Brothers have been pitted against each other; sectarian strife has transformed once harmonious communities into burial grounds.

As nefarious powers work to destroy our Islamic heritage as to impose on us their agnostic world views, Muslims stand idle, blinded by their own hatred and self-importance.

It is in times such as ours that Ashura should be most remembered, as in Imam Hussein lays our salvation.

“This movement of mine is not on account of stubbornness, rebellion, worldly passions or instigation by Satan. It is also not my object to create trouble or to oppress anyone. The only thing which invites me to this great movement is that I should reform the affairs of the followers of my grandfather, eradicate corruption, undertake enjoining to do good and restraining from evil …I wish that, through the strength of my suffering tyranny, I may root out the very foundation of oppression and cruelty,” said Imam Hussein (AS).

Last, the Islamic world stands divided, in desperate need of leadership.
Muslims should draw strength from Imam Hussein and truly come to term with the example he set before them. When Imam Hussein stood betrayed with his companions by the villainy that was Yazidibn Muawiyah – the very man whose family was responsible for the death of his father Imam Ali (AS) and his elder brother, Imam Hassan (AS) -contemplating certain death, he could have chosen to swear allegiance to the despot and hope to fight another day. Yet, he willingly marched to his death, determined not to give up an inch of his rightful claim to power.

By laying down his life, Imam Hussein gave muslims the gift of righteousness, and the world a testimony of what true leadership should look like.

In a world led by greed, avarice and deception, Imam Hussein’ sacrifice remains the only light we can ever hope to grab onto, while awaiting a new kind of leadership.

http://www.aimislam.com/why-imam-husseins-sacrifice-remains-relevant-to-this-day/

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/11/19/335521/lessons-you-can-learn-from-ashura/
Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 1:06pm On Dec 03, 2013
Mr.Vedaxcool,the person whose heart is pulled apart,the question isnt about whether Imam Sadeq (as) said Umar married an Umm Kulthum or not.the question is which Umm Kulthum? Was she the biological daughter of Imam Ali (as) or the adopted daughter that was the biological daughter of abu bakr,umar's greatest friend and accomplice?

Umar's marriage to one million umm kulthums will not conceal his actions and doings.what he did will remain what he did.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 12:57pm On Dec 03, 2013
kaybyte: Salamu alaykum. Please brothers and sister i beg of you to leave al baqir and lagosshia and other shias alone. They intention is to make you muslims hate Ali r.a. I believe they have given there allegiance to the west. They are friends with obama and they been used to destroy islam.

Lol...saudi arabia (america's and israel ally in the muslim world) isnt Shia.they are not only Sunni,but also Wahhabi/Salafist.

Stupidity reigns supreme on nairaland.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 11:22pm On Dec 02, 2013
AND THE QUESTION YET REMAINS UNANSWERED:

why did they burn the hadiths?

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 11:15pm On Dec 02, 2013
the hadiths that Umar married Umm Kulthoom Bint Ali (as) lack a sahabi (companion) and a tabi'ee in the chain of narrators-proof that this was later ummayyad fabrication.

http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/verse-wilayah/narrations-from-tabieen.html
Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 11:14pm On Dec 02, 2013
^^^

-Imam Ali (as) gave her willingly into marriage

-Umar made threats and Imam Ali (as) reluctantly gave her.

-he sent her to Umar's house even before any marriage ceremony,and umar laid his hands upon the grand-daughter of Rasulullah (sa) and the girl called him "vile" and "shameless".Sunnis have no sense of decency even when talking about the daughters of the Prophet (sa).may Allah (swt) never forgive you.it is the curse of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) against their enemies that will continue to hunt you.

-He handed over the matter to Abbass (ra)

WHICH OF THE LIES/CONTARDICTIONS ARE WE TO BELIEVE?

and funniest:

‘Umm Kulthoom bint Ali and her son Zayd bin Umar both died at the same time. It was not possible to ascertain who had died first. They did not inherit from one another and their funeral prayers were read at the same time.”

OH YEAH,IT IS OBVIOUS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER Umm Kulthoom.Umm Kulthoom Bint Ali (as) witnessed Karbala and she had no son with her in Karbala,and she was married to a cousin of Imam Ali (as).

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 9:05pm On Dec 02, 2013
you are welcome brother,ameen!

with all the ramblings,we are yet to be told why hadiths was banned and burnt by their first 3 caliphs.arent we supposed to follow "Quran and Sunnah" as they like to boast of themselves? why then were hadiths burnt,the very hadiths from which the sunnah is found? we need a simple answer.

PS: I replied to your mail but I didn't receive any response thereafter.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Did They Burnt The Hadith? My Humble Question Pls! by LagosShia: 8:06pm On Dec 02, 2013
@ brother Al-Baqir

please do not waste your time with Vedaxcool. he is regurgitating trash. The very link he has presented stand as proof against his ignorance.so leave him. He is pleased to continue living in 1400 years deception,fabrications and distortion of history, and a path full of contradictions and "obscurity" where both the oppressor and the oppressed are his heroes.

the usual lie of Imam Ali (as) "giving" his daughter in marriage to Umar,while their hadiths explain that Umar threatened and forced the marriage,while others deny Umm Kulthoom being the biological daughter of Imam Ali (as).the Umm Kulthoom umar married was the adopted daughter of Imam Ali (as),the daughter of abu bakr.Asma Bint Umais (ra) was her mother,and she was first married to Ja'far Ibn Abi Talib (as)-Imam Ali's (as) brother-and later to abu bakr.

the usual trash too that it was Imam Ali (as) that angered Lady Fatima (as) -that the Prophet (sa) said :"Fatima's wrath is the wrath of Allah"-when it is clearly made noticed that she died in a state of anger on abu bakr.then finally upon the death of abu bakr,Imam Ali (as) married her and adopted her children,as she was initially married to his own brother.

the usual trash also that being wise and knowing when to fight and not to fight is "cowardice".yet the Prophet (sa) stayed over a decade being abused while not fighting Quraysh.why? because the Prophet (sa) did not have the conditions set to raise up a weapon in self-defense.you don't raise a one man army and think you are defending yourself and not committing suicide.when the time was ripe,Imam Ali (as) faced Aisha (abu bakr's daughter on the battle field) and gave her a good beating in the battle of jamal,as he also faced the army of muawiya (son of abu sufyan,the arch-enemy of the Prophet) in the battle of siffeen and also exposed his treachery.but of course we should forget about the family of the Prophet (sa) and their status to protect the honor of a bunch of "sahaba".Allah (swt) is the best of judges!!!

with all the many battles Imam Ali (as) singlehandedly changed their course and gave victory to Islam in the time of the Prophet (sa),one just get amazed that sunnis cannot ask themselves why Imam Ali (as) did not participate in one of the many battles under the first 3 sunni caliphs? yet we are meant to believe all was well,and nothing was wrong,and it was all "minor".

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