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What is infuriating is their boldness and superfluous argument to score points against those who know and practice the process daily.

Ignorant people know they are wrong. Admitting it is what hurt their ego. They do not want to know in case they are wrong.

There was this documentary I watched. I quit smoking immediately after. Dun Hill did not taste the same after that.

Can someone please answer. My paper is due very soon for my class project.

Why is it that most of the richest and most prominent Igbo cannot make their money at home?

But they are welcomed outside, accommodated and tolerated in the West more than anywhere else in the world.

Yoruba and Igbo must reconcile for prosperity.

If a poll is taken, most people around the world would want United States to remain the Super Power.

Unfortunately, Covid-19 has exposed a fatal flaw in that country that can incapacitate it and stifle the expansion of freedom and liberty to their Minorities.

Those who sympathize with dictatorship in that country are not the majority. But they can win enough votes by tactical means to remain in power.

Did the so called former Pastor of Obama, Rev. Wright put a curse on America that has come to pass?

Waiting for the loud mouths that claimed there is no evidence, any discrimination or rural areas where immigrants doctors were posted to?

As long as you are educated to know how to access "free healthcare". Death is better than free healthcare "luxury" I guess.

Better to ignore ignoramus and keep quiet sometimes.

Washington Post: Why is coronavirus hitting Britain’s minority doctors so hard?. “Nearly all the doctors who have died of covid-19 in the United Kingdom have been ethnic minorities, most born overseas, like el-Tayar, according to the British Medical Association.

I did not know that Wole Soyinka has power to retaliate on Gowon. Even if he has, he is too graceful.

He took too many risks. Especially standing up for Ojukwu. He has since been called a traitor.

His grandkids are calling on him to fight for them now while they are busy with their soother, iPhone.

Jude Chukwuka is a good example of those Igbo that get along in Yoruba land or anywhere. They say when you are in Rome behave like a Roman.

Respect the culture and be grateful for their accommodation.

Jude is a class by himself, he reminds me of the Igbo I grew up with. Why are they not speaking up?

Mancala,

Thanks for the discussion with you. Have a lovely day.

Look at what we celebrate everyday, you will understand why we lack moral capacity to change.

Zulu king had Virgins too until we found out she was a regular supplier to one of the minister.

Ned, how are you sure the Arab children beggars from Niger and North Africa you found on the streets of Aba are virgins after motor pack guys had their turns.

One of them will soon accuse you of sexual abuse.

Let us celebrate children's day not sweet sixteen that made this man famous.

Mancala:
Actually, there is a federal law named the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act enacted in 1986 that applies to all states and all hospitals that accept Medicare, which is practically almost all. Hospitals are required to treat and stabilize anyone who walks into an ER regardless of insurance status or ability to pay. I know for a fact that it happens in the southern states. I know of specific examples in Mississippi and Alabama where the ER's were overwhelmed with non insured patients. This predates Obamacare and is still in effect.

Why do you guys get distracted by law that can never be enforced? No be US? Who told you the budget for MEDICAID and MEDICARE can be bursted?

Unfortunately, that is the argument used to kill Obamacare slowly, even in the Supreme Court! Have you ever asked why Americans even in the most progressive states are going without medical treatment and the reason for Obamacare in the first place?

My dear a word of caution. Most people go to US to better themselves, not to become destitute. If you get a good job or buy a house, and they can trace all aliases used to you, MEDICAID will garnish your salary and put a lien on your house. Free eh?

Yes, parents are taken to Emergency for all types of illnesses but they are couched to give false name and addresses while their children stay out of sight in the hospital. Well, you cannot trace them because they go back home in a few months.

As for destitute, who pay for their medication when they leave Emergency? Pray you do not have an illness that need medical management for a few weeks. You die like a dog in the richest country in the world where people die homeless on the streets everyday.

BTW, any foreigner used to visit London and get complete health care until Edward Heath and Margaret Thacher spoiled better thing. How is it now?

You know in United States, there is a law against any form of discrimination? It could not be the place where the poor, black and brown die everyday in front of cell phone camera, is it!

Mancala,

You know I heard that anyone can walk into Emergency Room and get treated many times. True but in which states?

If you are talking about New England, true. In Washington and California, true. If you tried that in the Southern states before Obamacare, you are dead!

But then, there are a few counties with religious or non-profit organizations that may accept you. Even then, they will not let you burst their budget. There are certain amount of allocations from Federal or State budgets.

Another way to understand it is to look at states that accept Obamacare and those that did not. Simply put, most Northern states did and most Southern states did not. It is also important that nothing, absolutely free for a few years to the states, yet they refused Obamacare that cost them nada!

Mancala:
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At least, in the U.S., you can walk into a hospital emregency room and get treatment, no questions asked. Not ideal, but people do not die like flies. They would treat and stabilize you before talking money. This pre-exists Obamacare.

As for the freedom to live where ever is convenient for each individual, fine. But do not live where you are a parasite, looter, money and talents launders. Go out and struggle like everyone else in your country of choice.

I do not want to go deeper. Suffice to say while some people are working and going to school full time, then sending money home to Nigeria, others are laundering more abroad for taxes on humongous houses, exotic cars, their children and girlfriends while the owner of the money and resources laundered, suffer and wallow in poverty in Nigeria.

It is not fair and that is not freedom to live where you want.

Mancala,

You are quite right and on point. But remember that as young doctors cry, poorer Nigerians bleed. Africa is a harder place than ever. We will not solve the problem by running away.

I would like to know how you feel about those who left big money, position and comfort to head home. Money is not everything.

I mentioned in one of my posts how the small towns and villagers shower doctors with kindness to get them to stay after NYSC. Some did, some left.

Then our endurance has a limit. No one should go into medicine without. Actually, that was the reason they used to make young doctors work those crazy hours. It is slave labor and many countries have reduced it.

So I totally agree with you on the arduous tasks of doctors. But paying out of pocket, choice of medicine or none and who gets treated is not limited to Nigeria. Without good insurance, it is the norm in rural areas in the US until OBACARE. Many people saw doctors for the first time or after losing their job until Obamacare.

Mancala:
Relatively speaking, the practice of medicine in the U.S. is still "luxurious" in the worst of times compared to Nigeria. American docs were overwhelmed at the start of the covid crisis due to situations like insufficient PPE and hospital beds in isolation/negative pressure wards as well as insufficient ventilators, all temporary in nature. These are everyday permanent occurrences in a place like Nigeria. A patient has to provide pretty much everything for themselves. I recall a case where a baby was born prematurely and needed to be in an incubator. The parents had to pay to repair the only available incubator then bring a generator from home to keep it going. A collection was taken everyday to buy gasoline to run it.
"Even Gowon once boasted that money is not the problem but how to spend it" Theirein lies one singular problem of the average Nigerian in power. A lack of foresight and imagination!

I think Nigerians must realize that the grass is greener on the other side is in the eyes of the beholder. American doctors cannot believe what they are going through right now. Most of the doctors that die from covid19 in UK are foreigners.

For those of you that were around in the 80s, while some of us were crying that Nigeria was going down, foreigners from all over the world made Nigeria their home. Even Gowon once boasted that money was not the problem but how to spend it. So money is relative. Canadian doctors found that out the hard way in the States. Nigeria got richer and the people got poorer.

Until the children of the privileged join this fight against their parents that are in charge, it will be difficult to make headway.

Those children of the rich can afford to live anywhere. Even in Nigeria, they live in a different world.

The serious but funny part is their children will not come back and live in Nigeria. When their parents die, those children will come for a few days for burial and go back. Their line of the families will disappear forever.

Justwise,

I don't blame you.
I actually gave you more attention than you deserve.

Justwise,

You are not feigning this. You won't move on while getting the credits. Let me start with a couple in your Western world from your America, the Continent.

1. Alaska

2. NWT in Canada

3. Mississippi

4. Louisiana

5. Indian Reserves across the Continent.

Actually most of the Southern states. Some Nigerians willing to make less money started Group Practice in some of them.

Justwise please fill in the ones in Britain Indian doctors are fighting for.

I had no intention of going this far with you. Omo Baba Olowo.

justwise:
You are good at making allegations with no evidence to back them up.

Like i said before..mention those remote areas in the UK or western countries where foreign doctors are maltreated as you clamined [/quote

Mancala,

Believe this or not. You could be talking about Canadian doctors too. Many of those that moved to United States relocated back to Canada after a few years. Why?

There are no basic facilities, supplies or equipment. Often times, the physician has to pay for or stand as a guarantor for essential supplies like oxygen, medications etc that are needed for a vastly impoverished patient population. Imagine having to make a decision as to who's medications or services you will pay for out of your own pocket, knowing fully well that those that do not get the essential care will die if you don't step up.

It is even worse right now in the Southern States in the face of covid19. US Doctors come crying on TV.

pacificom:
They should be loyal to their country. Doctors are well paid even in Nigeria and there is job security for them.

You know what, we all should be loyal to this country, not doctors alone. We need some incentives or deterrent to enforce this. Look at the children of the privileged. They send their children to the best schools at home and abroad. So you should not be surprised that they are the first to complain about Nigeria because they feel entitled than other professionals or the poor and will disown their loyalty or the country like the poor that have nothing.

One of my beef with them is that in the countries they run to, the privileged champion the cause of the poor, the rich bequest their wealth to good causes. And for the first time, children of the privileged whites came out, outnumbering blacks in the demonstrations.

As I stated before those Indians that make up the majority of foreign doctors in UK fight for their Civil Rights, discrimination, exploitation of Rural and Remote areas doctors. One of my brothers here feign ignorance of Rural or Remote areas in Europe or America, Western world for short.

So educate me how we can have loyalty to Nigeria when selfishness and greed override everything.

There was this skit of a lady taking pictures and sitting on an expensive car. As her friend was taking the picture, the owner of the car got in and reversed. She fell yakata!

Social media will kill some of us. But if you are comfortable at home and in your skin, why advertise yourself, especially if you already have a name.

This girl brought this on herself. It does not matter who you believe. Modesty is needed in our nouvelle culture.

My main beef here is about poaching of African doctors but looking at stats, Nigerian and Egyptian doctors may be more coming from Africa, Indian doctors make up most of the foreign doctors in UK.

So they put up Civil Rights defence against Rural and Remote areas slave labor, discrimination in major cities and ensure that the 2 to 3 years restraining of Indian doctors reduce blatant failure of immigrant doctors.

For African doctors, those are medicine after death. How do we correct social greed perpetrated by the parents of the privilege brats that come here crying like the poor?

If this trip fails, there are more coming. We must change the training of our doctors for the outside world. As someone suggested above, include more traditional training as poison pill for outside recruiters poaching our children.

This thread is good but we must act and turn off the gas instead of fighting the flame.

You know if you hate insult from ignoramus, stay away from social media.
But sometimes you are compelled to correct misinformation. Otherwise you care more about your prestige than the country.

Just imagine the question below. Simple information he could get where he is.

justwise:
Can you give an example of such situation in the UK or any other western countries? As far as i know there is no understandable area in the UK that a Dr will be dumped and treated badly

This thread is a typical example of individual contribution to corruption while blaming the other guy.

Most of those that get into professional schools in Nigeria are the children of the rich and well connected. I hasten to say it is also true in Western countries. But the children of the poor that get in Nigeria are not as committed to Justice for the deprived areas as they are in the States.

Moreover, it is the parents of these well connected children that mess up the country in the first place. Now their children are blaming the rest of us for not providing them enough money to live the looted life their parents provided them.

It gets worse because the children of the poor that are brilliant and could not be refused entry into professional schools join the spoiled brats club.

So in pursuit of money, any Agent that understands the greed mentality of our youth can charter a plane and dump them into slave labor market. The Agent does not even have to be as smart as them but streetwise.

Some of you know how these young doctors are treated in the villages to encourage them to stay. The love, respect and kindness showered on them compared to the underserved areas they are recruited to in Western countries. They drive down wages of Western doctors because they are not regarded as real doctors, they are abused and used in any role.

But eh, they make more money than in Nigeria! This disturb those that left the same Western countries and come home to serve.

Some of them have reasons to complain especially those that voluntarily accept posting to rural areas. Others will refuse to accept posting and before you know it their patrons would override you.

But guess what? When they move overseas they are posted to the same remote areas they refused in Nigeria.

Distribution of doctors is our problem. We do not have enough doctors. There used to be a time when doctors were posted to other Africa countries. In those days we had more doctors than them.

But now, rich countries are poaching our doctors, give them temporary license to work in Indian Reservation for a year and send them back home. Nigerians don't leave, they hide and do any odd jobs preparing for exam or another temporary license.

Leopantro:
But your Minister said they are free to leave if they want to.
Why are you complaining?
In fact, Nigeria is the only country in the world that doctors went on strike during a pandemic to force the government to do the right thing.
To the government, "their wahala is too much"

So when we complain about poaching you would think it is about only wild animals in Africa Safaris. What do you think this is

Leopantro:
The flight originated from UK.
UK government cannot employ an agency to airlift people again?
Thanks for your concern but word from the grapevine is that the issue has been settled and they will still leave over the weekend.
Unlike Nigeria the doctors will be going to a place where they will be appreciated.
I have a friend who got the letter informing him of the flight arrangements and the visa waiver a few weeks back.
Another one quietly left two months ago.

Same process was done for doctors in Zimbabwe last week.

charleymed:
Nigerian government can stop this braindrain by making our medical degree unattractive to the west. They can incorporate some aspect of traditional medicine into our medical school curriculum, that way the west won't value it.

Look in Nigeria, we move forward and backwards depending on who is in charge. We started it with Prof. Lambo and Prof. Laoye Kuti. But as soon as they leave, we have to start all over.

I am not sure if you know about Community Health Officers trained in the School of Health Technology. When Nigeria was 19 States, we had them all over. I do not know about now.

But with these brats, we will be forced to get there. Imagine people who qualified abroad dropped everything including good income and comfortable houses to come home and teach these brats.

They qualify free, free of any obligation.

They went on strike during Ebola!

I can see that you are not well trained at home and in school.

What you are reaping is what those that trained you created. They think they were spiteful, especially to the poor and those that are unconnected to get their children into medical schools.

Now, look at their product, You! Asking question the way you were brought up. I can imagine how you talk to patients.

Educated illiterate who thinks he can get into Britain with the chartered plane of an Agent of Death. Many of them advertise for gullible dummies like you.

Once you get to your destination in Libya, they will ask which of you have more experienced in butchering. They will take out all the organs they need. No need for outside doctors.

Chartered Plane eh?

missjekyll:
Is Everything with you alright at home?

Keep this your aggro for buhari. Nigerian Doctors are not even answering you.

After all is said, you must feel sorry for Nigerians. It has never got to this stage in our lifetime. I remember this Ghanaian doctor that was treating Ghanaian prostitutes just before Ghana Must Go.

There was this girl there that begged me for a sowing machine so that she could quit prostitution. I was more touched by the plight of the doctor.

Now look at Nigerian doctors. Pity. Zik cried when we threw them out. I cry for my country.

We blame uneducated youths transferred across the desert and sea by unscrupulous agents.

Now these are educated doctors who claimed they were promised work visas on arrival!

The plane carrier can be fined, their country of departure sanctioned and put both foreign mission in disarray.

These educated illiterates cannot pinpoint where they got their authorization to satisfy Nigerian authority or show one site on internet!

God saved them, they could have found themselves in an Arab or Jewish country as organ donor or rituals.

You spend all your time blaming politicians, this is another money and talent laundering. Nigeria should open the Treasury so that you can help yourselves because you got free medical education.

Imagine if Britain and America got a plane to export their medical workers to Siberia and China for starving wages.

Nigeria must stop training these ingrates and replace all of them with community health officers that cannot be exported.

Money money money. Is that what made Russia, China and Scandinavian countries. After covid19, they will be sent back to their villages. Without papers, they will be hiding, doing odd jobs and sending pictures home that they have made it.

The next thing you hear, they have been deported or shot on sight by police.

Okay, no doubt the pastor is a devil reincarnation but a lady of 19 to 25?

Hmm!