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Culture / Re: Similarities Between Yoruba And Bini (edo) Dancers by lakal(m): 1:50am On Feb 07, 2012 |
Some more info on linguistic innovation and how Yoruba is really a multitude of dialects.
http://omoyelifeandtimes..com/ |
Culture / Re: Similarities Between Yoruba And Bini (edo) Dancers by lakal(m): 1:47am On Feb 07, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: The Proto-Yoruba theory is of course one that is full of gaps due to it being premised on the reconstruction of a now "extinct" form of the Yoruba language. I would be tempted to ascribe a Benin influence if the "gh" phenomenon was only found in those Eastern regions where Benin influence was most prominent. However, the "gh" and "gw" is not found in any part of Ekiti or Akure, even those areas closer to Benin. The "w" phenomenon is not the only dialectal variation that was begun by Oyo. Another commonly known linguistic innovation among the Oyo/Ibadan speakers of the language is the "confusion" of the "s" and "sh" sounds, even though this was not adopted by other speakers of the language. It still is also peculiar that a gradiant exists, from the "gh" speakers in Eastern Yorubaland, w (and gh) deleters in the center, and w-users in the West. As for the Yorubas of kogi state, variously called "Kabba,""Okun," etc., political centralization did not develop very far, and no large part was ever dominated by Owo or any other Yoruba (or Edo for that matter) kingdom. The biggest power players in that area would have been the Nupe kingdom. (The same applies for many of the Akoko-Yoruba speakers, some of whom share similar dialects). And yet still, the "gh" (and sometimes the gw) phenomem is found in that area -- look at the title of this youtube video. In standard (Oyo) Yoruba, it would be rendered as "Ireti wa." [flash=400,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGkQqzLQGsU[/flash] |
Culture / Re: Similarities Between Yoruba And Bini (edo) Dancers by lakal(m): 3:54pm On Feb 04, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: This is the internet, so sometimes people look at things posted as gospel, there is a need for clarification once again. "Owo" means the same thing (respect) in Yoruba. The gh factor is not an indicator of Benin influence, because areas like the Kabba in the far northern parts of Yorubaland also use it. It's actually a geographic trend. Eastern Yorubas have the "gh" sound (ogho is money in many Eastern dialects), Central Yorubas eliminate both the gh and w sound (eeo is money in Ekiti Dialect), and Northwest Yorubas, Oyo dialect have replaced "gh" with w. (Owo is money in Oyo Dialect). Linguists divide Yoruba into Northwest, Southeastern, and Central Dialects, as well as Northeastern and Southwestern. Even though the Southeastern area was heavily influenced by Benin, the gh sound is found in the Northeast, which was not an area of Benin influence. The difficulty is that the predominant Yoruba dialect of today is the Oyo variety, which is known as the "most innovating," meaning that some of the consonants of proto-Yoruba (gh and gw) have been done away with, and the vowel system has also been simplified from proto-Yoruba. |
Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by lakal(m): 10:11pm On Jan 08, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: "Owo" means the same thing in Yoruba. The gh factor is not an indicator of Benin influence, because areas like the Kabba in the far northern parts of Yorubaland also use it. It's actually a geographic trend. Eastern Yorubas have the "gh" sound (ogho is money in many Eastern dialects), Central Yorubas eliminate both the gh and w sound (eeo is money in Ekiti Dialect), and Northwest Yorubas, Oyo dialect have replaced "gh" with w. (Owo is money in Oyo Dialect). Linguists divide Yoruba into Northwest, Southeastern, and Central Dialects, as well as Northeastern and Southwestern. Even though the Southeastern area was heavily influenced by Benin, the gh sound is found in the Northeast, which was not an area of Benin influence. The difficulty is that the predominant Yoruba dialect of today is the Oyo variety, which is known as the "most innovating," meaning that some of the consonants of proto-Yoruba (gh and gw) have been done away with, and the vowel system has also been simplified from proto-Yoruba. |
Culture / Re: What Is The Traditional Music From Your Town/state Like? by lakal(m): 4:55am On Dec 05, 2011 |
Cultural Groups from Ekiti and Ogun states (Egba): They are speaking Ekiti heavy in the background in the beginning first minutes [flash=500,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y3EYoaGhcY[/flash] |
Culture / Re: What Is The Traditional Music From Your Town/state Like? by lakal(m): 4:49am On Dec 05, 2011 |
Both of these examples are from Idanre, Ondo State: "Woro" Music [flash=500,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g9qJ9Rf-mQ[/flash] Traditional praise singing in honor of Gov. Mimiko [flash=500,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dfg_JaO5Dc&feature=related[/flash] |
Culture / Re: Nigerian Woman Are More Beautiful Then East Africans by lakal(m): 11:56pm On Nov 16, 2011 |
So AAs are all universally proud of their blackness and don't bleach? Skin color issues are a problem across the diaspora. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/health/16skin.html?pagewanted=all [img]http://“Sociological studies have shown among African-Americans and also Latinos, there’s a clear connection between skin color and socioeconomic status. It’s not some fantasy. There is prejudice against dark-skinned people, especially women in the so-called marriage market.”[/img] |
Culture / Re: Nigerian Woman Are More Beautiful Then East Africans by lakal(m): 5:19am On Nov 16, 2011 |
BlackLibya: When colorism is a huge problem for AAs. How many dark-skinned big time AA actresses can you name? Gbenu e dake jor! |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 4:42am On Nov 16, 2011 |
TerraCotta: Excellent book. |
Culture / Re: Nigerian Woman Are More Beautiful Then East Africans by lakal(m): 4:33am On Nov 16, 2011 |
BlackLibya: I live in the US, in a city with a huge Ethiopian population. You're most definitely wrong . . . Americans bleach sef. What do you think Ambi is? |
Culture / Re: Are Igbos Culturally Fused ? by lakal(m): 12:11am On Nov 16, 2011 |
odumchi: "All the same" seems to suggest that they are identical practices, not merely very similar ones. Is that true for any large African group? |
Culture / Re: Are Igbos Culturally Fused ? by lakal(m): 12:09am On Nov 16, 2011 |
For both igbos and Yorubas, language is important, but it's really about similar cultural habits IMO (similar, not identical). Thre are both groups of people who speak the Igbo and Yoruba languages but are generally recognized as not truly belonging to the groups. Opobo/Bonny for Igbos, and Apoi for Yorubas, for example. |
Culture / Re: Are Igbos Culturally Fused ? by lakal(m): 12:04am On Nov 16, 2011 |
odumchi: Really? |
Culture / Re: Nigerian Woman Are More Beautiful Then East Africans by lakal(m): 11:54pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
BlackLibya: Speaking at least for Kenya, there are many young Kenyans who don't speak their native language well, or even KiSwahili all that well, many young people speak what's known as "Sheng" (slang). |
Culture / Re: Nigerian Woman Are More Beautiful Then East Africans by lakal(m): 11:51pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
So Ethiopians don't use bleaching cream or perms? lmao. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 5:14am On Nov 14, 2011 |
Some ceremonial and real weapons were also posted on page 5 of this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-770881.128.html |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 5:08am On Nov 14, 2011 |
[img]http://1.bp..com/_bUlZdWxNK7M/S1akIlyqBaI/AAAAAAAAAEY/2zDQHyON2Wg/s1600/swords.jpg[/img] (below is via Wiki, so take with a grain of iyo) The Ida is a kind of sword used by the Yoruba people of West Africa. It is a long sword with a narrow to wide blade and sheathe. The sword is sharp, and cuts on contact but begins to dull if not sharpened regularly. It can be single-edged or double-edged. During wars, pepper and poison are added to it to paralyze anyone who is cut by the sword. It can be wielded in any way (either one-handed or two-handed). The Yoruba people use this sword for hunting, war and other uses. The blade of the sword is in an elongated leaf-shaped form. It is designed for cutting and hacking. There were many other variations of the Ida. The Yoruba also used many other bladed-weapons. Some of them were; Ada—Used for clearing brush, fighting, or hunting. It is similar to a cutlass or machete. Obe—Daggers carried by the Yoruba soldiers. Agedengbe—Single-bladed and eccentrically curved. Also quite heavy. Tanmogayi—Similar to the sabre. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 1:47am On Nov 14, 2011 |
tpia@: You have to remember that the authors of that text compared the Opa Oranmiyan to very similar shapes found elsewhere in Ile-Ife. There are smaller stone conical shapes found at places like Ogun Oke Mogun, used in Ogun worship. Even the conical shape is found in certain Ife terracottas, such as this one. [img]http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/dbcourses/africa/thumb/africa1_066.jpg[/img] With our non-written traditions, we cannot definitively state what the Opa Oraniyan was built or not built for. Even if it was raised by Oranmiyan's sons after his death, it might have additional ritual or artistic significance that we do not know. On the symbolic issue, at least in India, many of their phallic symbols (lingam) are decorated or carved, so that is not to say that it [b]must [/b]be plain. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 1:35am On Nov 14, 2011 |
On the "Opa Oranmiyan."
From Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 1:25am On Nov 14, 2011 |
^^The Opa Oranmiyan is thought to be a phallic symbol, similar to other, smaller obelisks found at Ife. These smaller phallic symbols are used in Ogun worship, representing Ogun's masculine nature, according to the below book "Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought." An excellent book for those who want to know about the art and aesthetics of the Yoruba people is "Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought" by Henry John Drewal and John Pemberton III with Rowland Abiodun. |
Culture / Re: BBC's Documentary On The 'Bronze Cast Head Of The Ife King' by lakal(m): 8:41pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
@PhysicsQED, very interesting comparison, was that in the Ancient Egypt in Africa book? About whether it represents Obatala or a diseased man, it could possibly be both, as Obatala was supposed to be the patron of the deformed and disabled in Yoruba mythology. |
Culture / Re: BBC's Documentary On The 'Bronze Cast Head Of The Ife King' by lakal(m): 4:52pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
tpia@: No real knowledge from me on either -- here is a small quote about Osangangan being a deity. http://books.google.com/books?id=zMiV__25izEC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=osangangan+deity&source=bl&ots=NVRn_EDOHT&sig=y_Kh9UD7T92X2rS0dgSjezOuaHQ&hl=en&ei=-uS_TpmRHIfj0QGbg_T0BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false The worship of noon, sun, moon, mountains, rivers, etc are all representative of an animistic religion. Every natural feature in Yorubaland could be traditionally revered as a deity. However I do know that the expression "osangangan" is used among Yorubas to refer to both the high noon time, as well as a climatic point. "Aiye l'a ba Ifa, Aiye l'a ba Imale, Osan gangan ni Igbagbo wole." (Ifa existed before us, Islam existed before us, Afternoon is when Christianity came) |
Culture / Re: BBC's Documentary On The 'Bronze Cast Head Of The Ife King' by lakal(m): 1:45pm On Nov 12, 2011 |
exotik: Yoruba names are tonal (osan gan gan could also mean an orange ), however, Osangangan = "High Noon" or mid-day. The "high noon" was also worshiped as a deity, Osangangan. (Osan gan gan) Obamakin = The King brings the brave one (Oba mu akin) (Sur)Names like Ademakin, Ademakinwa, and Olumakin(wa), Ogunmakinde, Ogunmakinwa etc, are still common. |
Culture / Re: The Root Of The Name "bini' - Taught By Exotic by lakal(m): 5:06pm On Nov 11, 2011 |
The native name for the people and the city of Benin was "Edo." "Ubinu" is not an Edo usage; that name came from the Itsekiris, whose lands bordered the Benin Kingdom's, and who were heavily influenced by the Benin Kingdom. The Portuguese learned the name "Ubinu" from the coast dwellers and applied it to the city they were in contact with. The "Ile Ibinu" comes from the Yoruba account of Oranmiyan. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 5:44am On Nov 09, 2011 |
NRI PRIEST: Sometimes, it's just not worth it. |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 4:22am On Nov 09, 2011 |
ezeagu: |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 3:52am On Nov 09, 2011 |
^^ Ileke, the chief in red with the women next to him is a Benin chief, the Obasogie of Benin. Just a point of correction. I was merely comparing him to some of the attires at the Okpala festival. |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 3:44am On Nov 09, 2011 |
Sorry o, the guy I identified as a chief is the Obi of Onitsha. No disrepect intended. Another look at the Obi. www.nairaland.com/attachments/566784_OBI_IN_HIS_THRONE_jpg5dd7eb6f18ba50a22834f521bcd2c9b4 |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 3:36am On Nov 09, 2011 |
www.nairaland.com/attachments/566771_IGWE_ALFRED_jpgae7897c4cc0cd61de82f5d4cd35a36bd ^^ Look at this Onitsha chief and tell me the attire of the Benin chief above is not [b]very [/b]similar. |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 3:28am On Nov 09, 2011 |
ezeagu: Excuse my unfamiliarity with al aspects of Igbo culture, but where else (except other parts of Western Igboland) do Igbo chiefs and obis wear the "Puffy" (for lack of a better term) type of wrapper that Benin chiefs and Oba wear? [img]http://4.bp..com/_ytgJBaeUgnk/SSLYo4oMgJI/AAAAAAAAAE8/1uK-v9Zjm3U/s400/chief+and+dancers.jpg[/img] |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 3:19am On Nov 09, 2011 |
ezeagu: O'boy, you are entering dangerous territory. Let's look at this festival. The traditional clothing looks similar to other cultural groups' own, especially those of the Obi/Chiefs and a certain empire across the Niger. . . "Onitsha Ado n'Idu." I don't speak Igbo, so could you tell me what the "idu" in Onitsha means? Because I believe I know, but I just want to be sure. . . |
Culture / Re: Pictures Of OBI Of Onitsha Doing Ofala Ceremony by lakal(m): 3:14am On Nov 09, 2011 |
Ileke ma ja ile o, Ileke ma ja oko, Ileke o! How many times did I call your name? You are a troublemaker for real, smh. |
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