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Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:26pm On Nov 02, 2011 |
The brass crown: Crown, Yoruba peoples, Nigeria, Late 19th to early 20th century, Copper alloy The four staring faces are said to represent the all-seeing gods or ancestors. Their protruding eyes signify when the spiritual eye replaces ordinary vision. The two figures with mudfish legs refer to supernatural powers in two realms, land and water-or reality and spirit. The projecting stem of the crown may allude to stored spiritual power in the wearer's head and also show that the wearer is exempt from everyday chores such as the carrying of loads on one's head. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:21pm On Nov 02, 2011 |
Especially for the female figures, I think some of the "crowns" are actually beaded hairstyles of the like still worn by queens (olori) today. It is interesting that the crown form changed. However, even the 19th Century brass crown (Ade Ide(?), and sometimes called Ade Obalufon) on one of the previous pages is different from the beaded crowns more commonly seen today (Ade Ileke). |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 2:55am On Nov 01, 2011 |
[img]http://www.barakatgallery.com/Auction/ItemImgs/2299a[/img] Yoruba Bronze Ritual Bell in the Form of a Face - PF.2299 Origin: Southwesterm Nigeria Circa: 18 th Century AD to 19 th Century AD Dimensions: 9.25" (23.5cm) high x 4.25" (10.8cm) wide Catalogue: V11 Collection: African Style: Yoruba Medium: Bronze This powerful ritual face bell belongs to the Ijebu, the first Yoruba-speaking African peoples to be mentioned in European texts. Among the many fascinating things that Portuguese explorer Durate Pacheco Pereira wrote about the Ijebu in the early sixteenth century, of prime interest was the extraordinary metal working in Ijebuland. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 2:30am On Nov 01, 2011 |
[img]http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/images/sized/images/uploads/slavery/Chiefs_stool-400x307.jpg [/img] Description: Chiefs stool.Made by the Yoruba people, Nigeria. Creator: Yoruba Date: unknown Copyright: Copyright BCC Museum |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 2:28am On Nov 01, 2011 |
Nigeria, Yoruba, carved lidded bowl in form of an animal, traces of Ricketts blue in the bowl, old patinated finish, marks of cowrie carvings on lid, probably used in divination, 13" l. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 2:24am On Nov 01, 2011 |
Now, back to schedule. Bowl with Figures, Artist: Olowe of Ise (c. 1875-c. 1938), Yoruba peoples, Ekiti region, Nigeria, Early 20th century, Wood, paint Sculptor to kings, Olowe of Ise is still honored among the Yoruba. His praise song says that he could carve iroko wood as though it was as soft as a gourd. The delicacy and dramatic composition of this bowl exemplify his talent, which embodies the standards of Yoruba art in iconography and proportions yet pushes them to their limits and redefines the rules. This prestige bowl, owned by someone of high status, likely held kola nuts, a traditional gesture of hospitality presented to guests and offered to deities during rituals. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 2:18am On Nov 01, 2011 |
Everyone, please carry your arguments elsewhere. This is an appreciation thread. Open another thread if you all have beef. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 1:34am On Oct 31, 2011 |
exotik: Owo had a naturalistic tradition as well, and Benin art started as a more naturalsitic form, moving towards the stylized look. It's true that most of the Ife bronzes and terracottas are though to represent royalty, but not all are of Oonis. Interestingly enough, naturalistic and more "stylized" art flourished at the exact same time, and even excavated in the same vicinity. The naturalism seems to have just been a preference by certain artists and was in favor for some period of time. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 1:30am On Oct 31, 2011 |
Lagos National Museum of Lagos Head of Terracotta- Ife Lagos National Museum of Lagos Head- Frontal - terracotta - Owo |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 1:10am On Oct 31, 2011 |
exotik: That was exactly how it happened, crazy as it sounds. It's not only Nigerians who can make up fables. And yes, the museum put other African art work up, such as Igbo-Ukwu, to show that this was not an isolated event. If you paid attention, you would also notice two bronze statues (the "Tsoede" statues) that were found in Nupe territory but thought to have been linked to Ife. But you're missing the point. . . stop trying to ascribe the genius seen here to someone else's influence and just appreciate it for what it is. We will never know what truly prompted the creation of these artworks, which are one of a kind and will never again be replicated. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 12:33am On Oct 31, 2011 |
exotik: Frobenius did not originally think that they were African (made by Africans). That is an established fact. In relation to your other points: Igbo-Ukwu's art has been dated between the 9th and 11th Centuries, Ife's between the 12th and 15th Century, both predating modern European contact with West Africa, that has never been challenged. Benin's art was extremely sophisticated, and in many areas, the Benin Empire challenged European's assumptions about Africa. However, the stylized form of Benin art, and its differences from European artistic styles placed it firmly as African -- now, Europeans doubted African's capability to produce the bronze to be sure. In addition, it would be hard to doubt the veracity of Benin art since European writers attested to many aspects of Benin life. Ife's art differed because of its naturalism, which was thought to be a European classical concept. Frobenius had a very hard time accepting any African connection, and this was made easier because naturalistic bronzes were not still being made in the 20th Century (However bronze casting still continued to be made in the stylized tradition, in connection with the Ogboni society). And finally, yes that was the curator's point. That's all I have said in this thread. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:50pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: It sounds silly to us now, but that was how Europeans thought. [b]Look [/b]at the Ife bronzes. Even now, when non-Africans see them for the first time, they are blown away by the level of sophistication. As an educator, I have seen this many times . . . people don't know what to think of them. They realized that the art was found [b]in [/b]Africa, but they thought that it was not [b]of [/b]Africa. Especially since the artworks were excavated, (And to them even though it wasn't true), no one had any answers to what they were or where they came from, they could be claimed to be the work of Europeans, or at least non-Africans. When trying to colonize a people and claim that they were uncivilized savages, it wouldn't do to have these barbarians capable of greater things than your own people. It is very similar to Great Zimbabwe. Since it was abandoned, the local Shona people could be bypassed as the logical creators of the city, and the creation attributed to a non-African source. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:32pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: Frobenius thought that they were from a lost Greek colony (Europeans) or at least Atlantean, since they matched or even surpassed the European Classical works in their "classic-ness." That is the real difference between the Ife bronzes and other African art traditions. It's just like how Great Zimbabwe was thought to be the city of the Queen of Sheba because it far surpassed what Europeans thought Africans were capable of, and challenged European engineering. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:24pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
The reason for why Ife art perplexed Europeans, from the UK Guardian's review of the "Kingdom of Ife" exhibit: For European artists a century ago, African sculpture was powerful precisely because it did not conform to the smooth idea of beauty that Picasso's generation had been brought up on – ideas that went back to classical Greece. But they had not seen the art of Ife, a medieval city state that flourished from the 12th to 15th centuries in West Africa, trading across the Sahara with the Islamic Mediterranean world. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:22pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: I posted my reply to that quote already. What is your point? If you haven't made it by now, stop trying. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:21pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
If the curator wanted to say that Igbo-Ukwu was the direct progenitor of Ife art (and there are no sources to my knowledge that claim this), why wouldn't they just say so directly, as in "Igbo-Ukwu's art was the direct ancestor of the pieces we see here?" They aren't Nigerians, and so would have no qualms in saying so. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 11:19pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: . . . meaning that Frobenius thought that these were European brasses. Then, even earlier-dated sculptures were found at Igbo-Ukwu, proving that Africans in more locations than Ife (and Benin) had done bronze-casting, and at an earlier stage. This does not mean a direct influence, but simply made the case for how the Ife art, realistic as it was, could have been easily produced by Africans. What you are not seeming to understand is that what they refer to is the fact that bronze casting happened at multiple locations in the African continent. It was the realism that stuck Europeans -- remember, they had already seen Benin bronzes, and knew that they were African. The Igbo-Ukwu bronzes were also impressive, but no one doubted their "Africanity." It was how impressively realistic and serene the Ife bronzes were that made it hard to believe that they had been produced by Africans. The discovery of earlier (and at that time, thought to be contemporary) bronze-casting proved that Africans could have produced this art. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:56pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: You would have a point if there was an argument. There isn't. Stop trying to desperately make one, it just isn't working. . . . In fact, let me quote myself. Why is it so important to you to prove that Ife was influenced by Igbo-Ukwu? I have no problem with that if it's true; groups of people influence each other all the time. The lost-wax method was a highly advanced artistic method, and as of now, Igbo-Ukwu was the first group in W. Africa to use that method, shikena. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:45pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
[flash=400,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ3xKckEWmc&feature=related[/flash] [flash=400,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSlRVBkBsec&feature=related[/flash] |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:37pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: . . . actually, if you listened to the video, they included those pieces to prove that the bronze-casting tradition was homegrown and occurred in locations other than Ife -- that the tradition did not come from the Greeks, etc. They weren't making any points about stylistic or other influence from Igbo-Ukwu. If you got that, it's not from what they said. Why is it so important to you to prove that Ife was influenced by Igbo-Ukwu? I have no problem with that if it's true; groups of people influence each other all the time. The lost-wax method was a highly advanced artistic method, and as of now, Igbo-Ukwu was the first group in W. Africa to use that method, shikena. . . . But if I say Ife influenced Benin (artistically, not even Oduduwa stuffs), I really think that you'd have a problem. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:18pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: That's an interesting leap of logic. The style of art and metal composition of the two civilizations were quite different. But if that is true, there is no insecurity to come from that. Igbo-Ukwu had a great artistic tradition. |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:11pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: I saw the two now. It's definitely possible. Igbo-Ukwu is the oldest, then Ife, and then Benin, in terms of lost-wax technique. The technique had to come from somewhere. The terracottas from Nok are of course the oldest in terms of naturalistic and sophisticated art of the kind found in various forms in Igbo-Ukwu, Ife, and Benin. The stone figures from Esie (naturalistic as well) might be contemporaneous with Igbo-Ukwu, some peg them as contemporary with Ife. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 10:02pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
I didn't see any Igbo-Ukwu art in that video. Are you referring to the quartz stool? That's an Ife artifact. |
Culture / Re: Can You Name 5 Of The "other" Languages In Nigeria? by lakal(m): 9:59pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
Mumuye, Yakurr, Bariba, Egun, Isoko |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 9:51pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
exotik: Which video are you referring to, Exotik? |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 5:37pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
[flash=500,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufaMhIKTf_s[/flash] |
Culture / Re: The Art And Architecture Of Yorubaland! by lakal(m): 5:34pm On Oct 30, 2011 |
[flash=500,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbd4REmzzNU[/flash] |
Culture / Re: What Is Reason Behind Bearing Names With Igbo Suffixes And Prefixes Among Igbo? by lakal(m): 8:31pm On Oct 29, 2011 |
I'm saying it just to say it. It's not really a reply to you, more a comment on NRI priest. |
Culture / Re: What Is Reason Behind Bearing Names With Igbo Suffixes And Prefixes Among Igbo? by lakal(m): 6:46pm On Oct 29, 2011 |
I didn't think that the Nri had Osus either. lol. |
Culture / Re: Alj Harem Studies On The Olukumis (old Yoruba Language) In Delta Ugbodu by lakal(m): 12:58am On Oct 27, 2011 |
Olukumis speak a Yoruba dialect. I don;t know if anyone is arguing that they are now Yorubas. Ironic. If it was an Igbo-speaking enclave in Edo State or Ogun State, wouldn't there be members of the "Nairaland Igbo Mafia" (as differentiated from real-life Igbos, who are quite reasonable) claiming them for Ndiigbo? |
Culture / Re: Prostration Among The Yoruba And The Israelites by lakal(m): 2:49am On Oct 24, 2011 |
Urhobos kneel to greet. I've heard even some Anioma people do too. |
Culture / Re: The Prettiest African Woman by lakal(m): 2:44am On Oct 24, 2011 |
People can't tell the difference between Oluchi Onweagba (first pic) and Genevieve? |
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