^^Not true.  It seems that some Ifa divination tappers "iroke ifa" were made from Ivory, and they don't all seem to come from Owo.



Ivory divination tappers from Oyo



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The Benin-Owo relationship is very interesting, and it's hard to know who may have influenced who.  I'm not an Owo, but from the Owo side, they see Owo and Benin as brother kingdoms.  The Edo version seems to show a dominant relationship towards the Owos. But that's for another thread. Check out the Met Museum's take on the use of ivory --

The rulers of Owo wear a number of ceremonial ensembles that are of Edo origin. One of these, called orufanran, consists of pants and a jacket sheathed in appliquéd scales of red flannel and studded with carved ivory ornaments. These pendants and masquettes mirror in their size and appearance those found at Benin—leopard, crocodile, and rams' heads (1991.17.123), as well as the faces of human rulers, allude to the extraordinary and fearsome powers of the king. Although similar to their Edo counterparts in form and function, they differ in the material from which they were made: ivory, rather than brass, was the favored material of Owo rulers at this time. The skill of Owo's ivory carvers was also appreciated at the court of Benin. During the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, Benin's rulers increasingly utilized insignia made from ivory, and imported Owo's art objects and recruited its artisans for their own royal workshops.

However, ivory had a prized place in Owo culture -- hunters had to present one ivory tusk of every pair found to the Olowo of Owo: and take a look at Oba Olateru Olagbegi I.

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PhysicsQED:


1. Like the brass plaques that Yorubas didn't make?

Like the intricate carved ivory tusks that Yorubas didn't make?

Like opting for general, idealized figures in elaborate and detailed scenes instead of the less ornate and very highly refined Yoruba realism?

I would refer you to this post for some information on their ancient sculpting: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-686264.0.html#msg8495561

Actually, Benin often used the work of artists from Owo (Yoruba) in carving ivory; Owo has art in common with both Ife and Benin, realistic terracotta sculpture like Ife, motifs and ivory carving similar to Benin.

MsDarkSkin:

^cute. 

Americans have rhythm like the rest of us but you guys are NOT the best dancers on an international "black" scale! 

American dances are fun and interesting but they don't really impress me  .
i like traditional dancing. the type that challenges the human body. Jamaican dances do that.
when american women dance, they move their whole body. Jamaican women will keep their
tops perfectly still and just move their pelvic area. it's amazing to see caribbean ppl dance.

but different strokes for different folks. America dances ain't it for me.

American girls fit dance o

See this one from 4:00 until the end. 

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ChinenyeN:

lakal, yea, but I doubt you can honestly tell yourself that Igbo hate Yoruba and Hausa.

Some of you all make it seem that way, to be honest, as if Yoruba people are what are stopping the Igbo man from progressing. There seems to be much more negative feelings flowing from Igbos to Yorubas than vice versa. Real talk.

ChinenyeN:

Lol lakal, you actually went looking for it? I didn't think you or anyone for that matter was actually going to do that.

I really love traditional music. It's sad because I think many forms are endangered.

I think the Ijaw-Igbo controversy goes back to the days of European colonization when the Ijaws suddenly became wealthy middlemen, and the Igbos, in essence, overran them by dint of numbers during the later colonial era.

But Ijaws are not the only ones guilty of badmouthing another ethnic group and marrying them -- Hausa-Igbo and Yoruba-Igbo marriages are not uncommon, and yet Igbos have plenty of negative things to say about both groups,

@Chinenye -- na lie!


Ngwa-Igbo music (Abia)

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Ohuhu-Igbo (Abia)

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Lol iba Moche abi "iba mo je" (I take/receive iba)

Ufeolorun:



but the lady sounds like Owo-ondo to me,suprised shes ekiti even with the Oma emure  written on it,or is there Emure in owo

That one is from Emure-Ile in Ondo State (there is also an Emure-Ekiti).  The dialect is apparently somewhat Owo and somewhat Ekiti sha.

ChinenyeN:

Seriously? Because I've never seen Anambra dancing Atilogwu; never even heard of it. Only Enugu. Granted, I'm not from those places, so I wouldn't really know.

Nwa onye Ngwa, stop arguing and post your peoples' music jor!

k.o.n.y:

Lol again you do nothing but prove my point. That video you showed came out in 1985, hip hop and rap was already out for damn near 15 years. Im from the bronx you are out of your league in this argument trust me. I would consider melly mel the true father of what we know of as "rapping" which is an american term btw. He was the one that introduced actual bars and lyrics with a message. He is the root of all mcs today. He is black and from the bronx(america)

Thinking of jamaican toasting as being some type of influence on american music is laughable in the first place. Call and response, chanting and so called "jamaican toasting" are nothing new to black american music. Not at all, its hilarious. Theres a huge differance between that video and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDCYjb8RHk

And this is early less advanced rap at that.


Nobody is trying to take credit away from anybody. Hip hop and rap started off essentially as a new york culture(not even american) overwhelmingly created by black americans. Hip hop is to americans as reggae is to jamaicans. I could say that reggae is basically a jamaican version of the blues to be honest



And by the time hip hop started to develop, americans were on some james brown jackson five type sh.t I hardly think anyone was swing dancing. Im not sure if your implying that jamaicans are better dancers or not lol

Jamaicans have been in hip hop since the beginning, or are you forgetting that DJ Kool Herc, who started the remixing of those hard funk James Brown type sounds was Jamaican?

"Asiko" Music from the Ikale-Yorubas of Ondo State.


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Ilaje music (Ondo State)

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ikeyman00:

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as long as the trait of back stabbing does passed on . . .

Better than the trait of making serious GBAGAUNS like you. oloshi

odumchi:

If I may ask, how do you post videos on NL?

1. It's easy -- take the url of a youtube video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQhBEpWHsI


2. Where it says "/watch?v=" change to /v/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQhBEpWHsI


3. Highlight the new url and click the flash button, it will look like:

[flash=200,200]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQhBEpWHsI[/flash]

4. To change the size, change where it says "200, 200" to "400, 400" or "500, 500" (or any other size)

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To finish lol.  Christian music in traditional Ekiti style, with dialogue.

N20 to the non-Ekiti person who can translate the music/dialogue of the first video lol.  Starting from 4:30

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lol yes o @ileke.  It's funny how you can hear the difference from town to town.   Even two close by towns speak slightly differently, but we're all Ekitis.

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Ileke-IdI:

I wish ppl would post more Ekiti songs online. Those are the only 2 and they are olddddddddd. SMH

Ahhh Ileke, there are 3 by Lekan Ishola Adepoju (from Irun-Akoko, Ondo State, but same dialect) that are newer now.  I posted one of them "Omo nigbehin ola," a remake of an old Ekiti song.


The 3 from Elemure Ogunyemi (older).

And perhaps some others, just not tagged well on youtube.

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, and this is from a town next to mine, which shares the same name.  Similar music to what some older women do.

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My origins are in Ekiti State, so here are some examples --


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What are yours?

As I have been reading about the tales of origin regarding Oduduwa, it has been very interesting to learn of the other perspective -- as a Yoruba, I learned one version of events, and evidently Edos believe in another version.

But that story is just symbolic of a larger issue -- the relationship between the Yorubas and Edos in a host of areas -- government, art, religion, etc.

Who founded who?

Who influenced who?

Does it even matter?

amor4ce:

The famous bronze casts feature a lot of beads implying that it was common to the Bini Kingdom long before the arrival of the Portuguese.

I know. Those are [b]not [/b]coral beads, they are the type I mentioned before, which came from the areas around Ilorin. They were common to both the Yoruba and Edo, and probably other tribes as well.

Coral beads are a very recent introduction to Nigeria, speaking historically, as they came first from the Portuguese. Red beads traditionally were made out of stone (jasper or chalcedony), what is sometimes called "lantana." These beads came from the region of the Niger River near Ilorin.

ezeagu:

There's no way Yoruba and Hausa compete in Nigeria. Yoruba is spoken strictly in south western Nigeria by one ethnic group, where as Hausa is spoken among different ethnic groups all over the north and north central.

Yes, but that part of the country also has the largest city by far, where many migrants have learned the native language.

I still think it's Hausa though.

Ukwuani dialogue.

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Olu(wa) = lord

Oba = king

Dede1:

Of course, Osu was born out of tradition/culture/religion and has been terminated along with the killing of twins. Nobody in Igbo land indulges in the practice of tradition/culture/religion that saw Osu among us or partake in killing of twins today.

Marriage in Igbo land is not between the principals alone but the community. I still insist that choice of whom a person wishes to marry is not discriminatory. In my community, Osu has ascended to the chairmanship of the town’s development union and he was not discriminated.

Talking about discrimination, it is an essence of human nature and should remain as long as human beings walk the surface of earth. Whether you are Osu or Diala in Igbo land, you could be rejected as a suitor for other reasons than Osu or Diala.

I think that is true for some people. But unfortunately, it still seems to be an issue for many. I am not Igbo, but I love the cu;ture, have many Igbo friends, understand the language somewhat. And I have seen an actual situation in the U.S. where an engagement was terminated when it was discovered that the girl was an Osu. For no other choice or credential alone, but for something her forefathers did. Craziness.

ChinenyeN:

Why are people even bothering with these blind-minded 'this-is-21st-century' people? You know, there is one thing we must understand, and that is that there are some topics in which no amount of explaining will change anything. This is one of those.

Aren't you Ngwa? I thought that they didn't practice Osu.

bokohalal:

This is placing Benin City as the Nigerian version of the legendary city of Babel.
Benin had succession wars and some bad rulers that made some inhabitants of the city to move to places that they could find peace. Also,the story of Iken n`Uselu will tell you that successful war generals were not expected to return to the city but to stay and live and administer the territory conquered. This could explain why some non Binis claim Benin.
Eze chima could possibly have been a Biniman. Moving eastwards he would have encountered people that spoke variants of Igbo language before getting to Onitsha.
Ife has no history of brass work.

Huh?

For people who explain Osu as a "cultural" issue -- so we should still be killing twins since it was once part of our culture? Rubbish. People who are in support/unwilling to change this mindset should not talk about any kind of discrimination, ridiculous

tpia@:

see what you typed in typical s.tupid fashion, and you now want to get a swollen head because you saw a woman:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=3391.msg702197#msg702197

the rest of yoruba no get tribal mark?

you dey craze.

like i said, go through your posts on this thread and identify your ERRORS cos i'm not going to do it for you.

and if i were you, i'd leave the theory to those of us who actually know something, and instead focus on advertising your privates which i'm sure is what brought you to the thread in the first place.

lwkmd!  I see that you are a comedian.  Nice to know that I should not take you seriously.  And here I was, thinking I was talking to a sane person,