This whole Olukumi issue is very interesting: I don't think that the Olukumi-speaking people see themselves as anything but residents of their respective villages, nowadays. (I'll leave that Anioma = Igbo/not Igbo fracas).

It's generally agreed that Olukumi comes from Ondo/Owo dialect Oluku mi (my friend). The name Olukumi or "lucumi" is still used to refer to Yorubas in Cuba.

odumchi:

@ OP

Nearly every person makes mistakes while speaking a non native language Africabs and Europeans included. For example look at Didier Drogba or Solomon Kalou: the type of French they speak is very different from French French. I Met someone from Burkina Faso once who spoke French and I observed that her French is almost like French-Pidgin.

Also even the title of this topic has grammatical errors such as "Speak good French" instead of "Speak French well". I'm sure you'd even find an error or two in this post that I made. Goes to show you that everyone makes mistakes.

I don't think that saying "Speak good French" is grammatically incorrect.

"Speak good French" and "Speak French well" mean two different things, though.


"Good French" refers to the type of French being spoken.

"Speak French well" refers to the ability of the speaker to speak French.

Na wa o.

Abeg, carry una wahala go. This thread is about the art and architecture of Yorubaland.

Igbo food is different from Efik/Ibibio food, from what I've noticed.  I really like Efik/Ibibio foods, but I've also had them more often than Igbo dishes.

As for attracting more people between Igbo and Yoruba food?  At pan-Nigerian parties, Yoruba-style foods seem to win.  Even my Igbo friends admit Yoruba parties have the best food.

Onlytruth:

I have a case of an Igbo lady from Illa in Delta state. She dated this "Christian" Yoruba man for 4 years and "prayed" as they dated.
Well, they eventually tied the knot and she had three kids; the first a boy, and the second twins -a boy and a girl.
Guess what, they are now divorced because he impregnated another lady. She is now raising three kids alone.

The second case is almost similar except that he (the Yoruba guy) came with the lady- an Igbo from Imo state,  to US. They had two sons, and today they are divorced too; reason, he impregnated another lady too.
She is now working as a CNA though she was a lawyer in Nigeria. She is wasted. I keep asking her why she never took he BAR (law license exam in US), she said the husband refused and threatened her with divorce. Well, she is divorced now anyway, and she is NOT A LAWYER still.
Sad sad.  

I can also give the story of my Aunt who is married to an Igbo big man from Delta State.  They have five children and she had to flee their house due to him making death threats and abusing her and the children.  Don't you think everyone has stories?  Nonsense.

arsenefc:


Of course, only a forward looking, un-tribilized Nigerian would call others that disagree with him "Awon alaironu buruku."

May God save us from all the fake progressives we have on NL. Inter-ethnic marriage is bad for you, especially with Money hungry Ibos.


I am yet to meet an Ibo woman, or man,  who would not sell her family for money. Why do you think South East and co arent going after their fellow Ibos?

Rewind 200 years into the past.  You might not even be able to marry from the village next to you for whatever reason.

To this day, Ekitis and Ijebus have mutual distrust towards each other in marriage, among the Yorubas.

Igbos have their own clan/state wahala within themselves to this day.

If you only go by what other people tell you or what others believe, you may never get anywhere.

Onlytruth:

OP, listen carefully to wise advice here. There is a MAJOR difference between dating and marriage. That is why so see many people who dated for long (say 5 years) but divorce after just one year or two. A man can afford to experiment with marriage (to some extent); a woman can't, because by then, you have become "Tokunbo" with two kids! LOL.

Most Yoruba I know try to get "Igbo wife" or "Igbo girlfriend", but it is just a psychological therapy (to feel they scored against the Igbo or they got some Igbo genes into their family), NOTHING MORE. Marriage should not be about that. It should be about people who "assimilate" or "bond" into one state of culture for the rest of their lives.
IT AIN"T TEA PARTY.

Your case is part of an increasing Igbo problem stemming from years of living outside Igboland. It is not your fault. It is your parent's fault. Nevertheless, you still have power not to make it worse for yourself because by the time the "5hit" hit the fan later in your life, your parents may be long dead. It is YOUR life.

Perhaps the most important information you need is to be aware that most Yoruba men would have second or third or more wives before they go out of their prime. If they don't do that, they get "baby mamas" outside of your marriage.
Your dude may be in love with you today, but he would likely also be in love with more women later (after you've been trapped with two kids). Be warned.  

Biafra did a number on some of you peoples' psyche.  Yoruba people are not jealous of the Igbo.  Seriously.  In terms of marriage partner, we will marry whoever we fancy.

If I wan marry Yoruba girl, no shaking.  If na Igbo girl I dey find, ko si wahala.  Yorubas don't care as much as some of you seem to.  



Most times the kids of Igbo-Yoruba marriage speak Yoruba and have Yoruba names.  I think that's what is really burning some of una  

Some of you are so backwards and bigoted that you should be ashamed to post what you post.  Awon alaironu buruku.

Gelede Masque. Yoruba people, Benin, Southwest Nigeria. Wood. H.: 34 cm. Inv.: MNAM 71.7.1. Photo: J.G. Berizzi.
Location :Musee du Quai Branly, Paris, France
Photo Credit : Réunion des Musées Nationaux / Art Resource, NY

Steatite (soapstone) Yoruba head. Nigeria, c. 17th-19th c.
Location :Private Collection
Photo Credit : Werner Forman / Art Resource, NY

Drum in the form of a kneeling woman with an offering bowl. Probably used by the Ogboni society. Yoruba, from South-western Nigeria. Wood, skin. 20th century.
Location :Coll. C. Vogel, New York, NY, U.S.A.
Photo Credit : Werner Forman / Art Resource, NY

Bronze horse head bell. Yoruba people. Ijebu, Nigeria. Brass, 13.4 x 9 cm. Inv. 73.1997.4.11. Photo: Jean-Gilles Berizzi.
Location :Musee du Quai Branly, Paris, France
Photo Credit : Réunion des Musées Nationaux / Art Resource, NY

Vessel, 17th-18th century. Yoruba, Owo group. Nigeria, Guinea Coast. Ivory, wood or coconut shell inlay, Height 5 in. Gift of Mr. and Mrs. Klaus G. Perls, 1991 (1991.17.129).
Location :The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, NY, U.S.A.
Photo Credit : Image copyright © The Metropolitan Museum of Art / Art Resource, NY

Mother and Child. Yoruba, Abeokuta, Nigeria. Wood, beads. Gift of Walt Disney World Co., a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company.
Location :National Museum of African Art, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC, U.S.A.
Photo Credit : Jerry L. Thompson / Art Resource, NY

Zoomorphic cup. Youruba people, Benin. Polychrome wood, 18.3 x 17.9 x 16 cm. Inv.: 71.1889.101.62. Gift of Alexandre L. d'Albeca. Former collection: Musee de l'Homme.
Location :Musee du Quai Branly, Paris, France
Photo Credit : Musee di Quai Branly/Scala / Art Resource, NY

Terracotta head of an African male. Ife, Nigeria. 12-14th century CE. Terracotta with polychrome traces, 15.5 x 11.5 x 12.3 cm. Inv. 73.1996.1.4. Photo: Jean-Gilles Berizzi.
Location :Musee du Quai Branly, Paris, France
Photo Credit : Réunion des Musées Nationaux / Art Resource, NY 



Ram's Head fragment, 11th-12th CE. Ife, Nigeria. Terracotta.
Location :Obafemi Awolowo University, Ife, Nigeria
Photo Credit : Jerry L. Thompson / Art Resource, NY

Terracotta head. Ife sculpture from Nigeria.
Location :National Commission for Museums and Monuments, Lagos, Nigeria
Photo Credit : Werner Forman / Art Resource, NY 




Ife terracotta sculpture thought to depict a gagged sacrificial victim. Nigeria, Ife culture. Ife. Ca. 13th CE. Material Size: Terracotta.
Location :Ethnologisches Museum, Staatliche Museen, Berlin, Germany
Photo Credit : Werner Forman / Art Resource, NY

Male head. 12th-15th century. Nigeria, Ife culture. Terracotta, h. 19cm. Inv. III C 27530. Photo: Dietrich Graf.
Location :Ethnologisches Museum, Staatliche Museen, Berlin, Germany
Photo Credit : bpk, Berlin / (name of museum) /(name of photographer) / Art Resource, NY 




Male head. Nigeria, Ife. 12th-15th century. Terracotta, h. 17 cm. Inv. III C 27526. Photo: Dietrich Graf.
Location :Ethnologisches Museum, Staatliche Museen, Berlin, Germany
Photo Credit : bpk, Berlin / (name of museum) /(name of photographer) / Art Resource, NY

Some of the lesser-seen Ife artworks.



Aroye Pot, Ife, Nigeria. 14th-15th CE. Terracotta.
Location :Obafemi Awolowo University, Ife, Nigeria
Photo Credit : Jerry L. Thompson / Art Resource, NY 




Ritual pot, 13th-14th CE. Ife, Nigeria. Terracotta.
Location :Obafemi Awolowo University, Ife, Nigeria
Photo Credit : Jerry L. Thompson / Art Resource, NY

But isn't this Tpia the same one that said we don't have tattoos in Yoruba culture? lol.

tpia@:





so should we assume these two words are commonly used by americans.

Americans do say "boku", just sounds more like "bookoo." Same meaning.


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My favorite Igbo-Ukwu artwork:  the roped pot.  West African peoples were producing aesthetically wonderful art over 1,000 years ago.  




Igbo-Ukwu (9th Century AD). Bronze pot on a stand roped together.

Great thread.

Traditional thatching being done in Igboland.

rgp922:

Shango is shango. He is represented with ram head. The south Americans people represent him with axe. Dont know why.

Shango's axe (Ose Sango) is universally used in the traditional Yoruba religions.  The priests hold it when they represent Sango.   It's also thought that the ram's head came from the earlier thunder god, Jakuta.

Crown, Yoruba peoples, Nigeria, Late 19th to early 20th century, Copper alloy

The four staring faces are said to represent the all-seeing gods or ancestors. Their protruding eyes signify when the spiritual eye replaces ordinary vision. The two figures with mudfish legs refer to supernatural powers in two realms, land and water-or reality and spirit. The projecting stem of the crown may allude to stored spiritual power in the wearer's head and also show that the wearer is exempt from everyday chores such as the carrying of loads on one's head.

Bronze staff. Ekiti, Yorubaland.

Undated, but similar to other Ogboni/Osugbo bronze objects.

This one is reminiscent of the "Sankofa" bird of the Akan.

Unique and antique: bronze bird fetish from the Yoruba tribe circa early 1900s. 55mm tall x 19mm wide. Heavy solid cast bronze foul figurine

This is a pair of Yoruba bronze figures; each one sitting on a separate bronze stool. They were created by the old lost wax casting method.
These bronze figures are 11.5" and 10.5" in height. They are also both about 3 ½ inches in width and 3 ½ inches in depth.
They date from the late 19th Century through the early 20th Century.
Their condition is excellent with a nice patina and a small area of verdigris.

Ijebu Bronze Face Bell
Origin: Nigeria
Dimensions: 8 in (20.32 cm) H
Materials: Bronz

Small Bronze Yoruba Animal Fetish
Cute bronze animal fetish from the Yoruba tribe circa early 1900s. 55mm long x 24mm tall x 17mm wide; solid bronze.

Owo, Yorubaland (undated).

This Yoruba bronze sculpture features a King surrounded by his court servants and was created by the lost wax casting method. Lost-wax casting sometimes called by the French name of cire perdue (from the Latin cera perduta) is the process by which a brass or bronze sculpture is cast from an artist's carving usually made from wax. Very intricate works can be achieved with this method, depending on the carver's skills.