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tintingz: Do you read my post at all?

I said muslims, christians, traditionalist all believe in a creator which is OLORUN(God) in yoruba language.

Sango is a demi-god not God the creator I don't really know much about amadioha if he's the creator according to the igbos...Harcules, persius are also demi-gods same with christians calling Jesus their god.

And Yes if amadioha is God in igbo language I will use amadioha as God when am speaking igbo.

Brother Titingz,I see you o.The guy can't differentiate between Orisa and olorun,that's his problem.

olasman0: got a complicated case ryt nw....my birth cert says "surname olamide dunsin"....while m currently using "surname Samuel olamide "....what's d solution abeg?

The solution is if you can get a new birth certificate that will bear your present name.

Hesohjay: wot can som1 use in place of birth certificate

Nothing

Al-Baqir:
@Lanrexlan,
Al-hamdulillah we are reaching much understanding here

This was the point of yours that sprung me up.

Al-Baqir:
@RoyPcain,Do you have problem with the shia Imam (a.s) being infallible and having knowledge of the unseen?

To set the record straight bro shi'a never said Aimmatul ahl al-bayt possesses unseen knowledge.Only Allah does and He bestow it to whom He will.
And you've given me an answer,thanks.

As to the claim of the merits of ahl al-bayt(a.s), Qur'an and hadithi Rasul talks a lot about them.

They have been purified with a thourough purification: al-ahzab vs 33
(see any Tafsir for its meaning and exposition)

They were the ONLY representative of Islam :Incident of Mubahala - sura al-Imran
Vs 59-61 (see any Tafsir for its meaning and exposition)

Their Love has been made OBLIGATORY :sura shura vs 23 (Darr al-Manthur, Imam shaafi'I in his eulogy, prophet said: "Everything has a base and the base of Islam is the love of the Prophet’s companions and love of his Ahl al-Bait.’ [Jami' al-Ahadith, Vol. 3, Page 457, Hadith 9778 | Kanz al-Ummal, Vol. 11, Page 2319, Hadith 32523 | Al-Musannaf])

Legacy of Muhammad for guidance and salvation:

"Verily I am leaving in you that to which if you firmly hold onto you will not go astray after me; The Book of Allah and my family the Ahl al-Bait. These two will not be separated until they meet me at the Fountain (of Kawthar), so look (take care) at how you deal with them after me." [Sunan Tirmidhi, Vol. 5, Page 626, Hadith 3788 | Mustadrak al-Hakim, Vol. 3, Page 160, Hadith 4711]

"The similitude of my ahl al-bayt is like the ark of noah whosoever embark it is saved and whosoever turns away from it will be drowned"(Ibn Hajar al-asqalani, in sawaiq al-Muhriqah, Imam Jalaludeen suyuti in Darr Manthur, Mustadrak of al-hakim etc)

"My ahl al-bayt are the gate of salvation just like the gate of repentance for the children of Israel whoever enters it is forgiven" (same as above)

"Make the love of our Ahl al-Bait compulsory for whoever meets Allah having love for us shall enter paradise with our intercession and By He in whose Hand is my life no deed will benefit a servant except by recognizing our right.’ [Tabarani in Al-Awsat, Vol. 3, Page 122, Hadith 2251 | Al-Shifa, Vol. 2, Page 48]

Sincerely you can ask yourself of what you know about the ahl al-bayt (a.s). Today we've been lied to that the prophet left 'Quran and sunnah' but indeed we've been left with 'Qur'an and ahl al-bayt' (kindly see my article on "Legacy of Muhammad: Qur'an and what?)
Many thanks.
Salam

I'm not in for this,keep to that.Thank you for you time......Peace

Al-Baqir:
@Lanrexlan,
Let us read to understand and not to criticize perhaps we can reason to agree.

I am not criticizing either.

As to your claim "Are your Shia Imams messengers of Allah?" They are not! Mind you,have you ever come across an hadith in which the holy prophet (saws) said there are some saints of Allah whose proximity and station are envied by (some) prophets of Allah (sunan Abu Dawud)? Besides Maryam was never a prophet yet her proximity to Allah was far greater to even her supervisor,Nabi Zakariyyah (a.s)

Does this correlates to the issue? Some Saints have higher proximity to Allah doesn't signify that Allah reveals the news or knowledge of the unseen to them.Moreover,no saint never claim to be guide to a group of people.Maryam was a saint,but prophet Zakariyyah(pbuh) is greater than her because Allah chose him as a messenger guiding people to the truth,enjoining what's right and forbidden what's wrong.

The reason why I gave the first ayah "He possesses the Ghayb and He does not discloses His Ghayb to anyone except to such a MESSENGER as He is well-pleased with." (Quran 72:26-27)) was to reason with you that prophet(s) (saws) is (are) given the knowledge of unknown;the fact that you didn't first admit that even prophet did "known" while you quoted various verse saying: "O (Muhammad)...6:50, 10:20 etc with the pronoun "I" refering to Muhammad (saws)

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)possesses not a single knowledge of the unseen except what Allah reveals to him of the news of the unseen.Not that I said the prophet(pbuh)didn't know the knowledge of the unseen,Allah said that.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah At-Takwir 81:24 -And he (Muhammad (SAW)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen.

Secondly,the ayah of Qur'siyy (the 2nd verse I quoted) "...and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He will." (Quran 2:255)
Prophets are not mentioned here.This makes the door open (including prophets, saints and devoted servants of Allah).Even I tell you with confident that enemy of Allah can be given this knowledge (but that will only blind them from the truth of Allah's existence)

Is the knowledge of the unseen mentioned in this verse? Allah possesses many knowledge,both seen and unseen.Moreover,we are talking about possessing the knowledge of the unseen here.

Lastly,about Qadar (predestination). What we know is little and Qadar are of different types.There's a 'tablet' containing 'everything' about human being guarded by the angels.This written tablet is not fixed but flexible (Du'a, sadaqa, goodness to parents, bad deeds, evil etc can change them). The second "tablet" is with Allah alone fixed and what the angels do not know in the first is in it."
As per the first,many creatures (prophets, saints,angel, jinn, etc)including shaytan can peep in to it by Allah's will

Ookay.

Through 'good dreams' many hidden fact or what to happen can be revealed. Kindly read ahadiths that talks about 'good dream' (which prophet said its part of prophet-hood).

I know about this.

The Imams of Ahl al-bayt (a.s) are treasure of worshipers,the beacon of light, the gate of salvation,the ark of Noah (hadith of Rasul)! Their proximity and status in the sight of Allah is so strong that whenever they ask Allah,their request is being granted.

Salam.

Says you,do you have proof for this?.....Peace

atuagbo: The weed you sm*ke dey worrying you. Go eat & sleep, bet when you wake up, you go dey normal

Lol,Is that your defense?

Al-Baqir:
@Lanrexlan,

Gently bro.We are learning here and do not be in a rush or talk with 'hatred of shia' in your heart

Hatred of Shia? I had no hatred for you,just that some beliefs of yours are awkward.

You are 100% right. Only Allah knows and holds the keys to the unseen (ghayb).It is just that whenever we say something about our Imams, instantly you guy's thinking is we are equating them to Allah (or Rasul).

Allah is absolute! Nothing is like unto Him!

Better.

Secondly,there are other verses in the holy Qur'an which says Allah grant the knowledge of unseen to whom He wills or [s]Power of "Be" and "It is"[/s] to whom He wills.

"He possesses the Ghayb and He does not discloses His Ghayb to anyone except to such a Messenger as He is well-pleased with." (Quran 72:26-27).

"Who can intercede with Him except the cases He permits? He knows what is in front of them and what is behind them,and they encompass nothing of His knowledge
except what He will." (Quran 2:255)

How many hidden truth the holy prophet (saws) has told by Allah's will!

Are your Shia Imams messengers of Allah? Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)is the last and final messenger of Allah(swt).What Allah(swt) does is that He reveals the story of the unseen to his chosen messenger.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Yusuf 12:102 -That is of the news of the Ghaib (unseen) which We reveal to you (O Muhammad SAW ).You were not (present) with them when they arranged their plan together,and (while) they were plotting.

Surah Hud 11:49 -This is of the news of the unseen which We reveal unto you (O Muhammad SAW),neither you nor your people knew it before this.So be patient. Surely,the (good) end is for the Al-Muttaqûn (pious).
Allah reveals the story of the unseen to his chosen messenger prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and your Shia Imams aren't messengers.Allah also says in the glorious Quran in Al-Imran 3:179 -Allâh will not leave the believers in the state in which you are now,until He distinguishes the wicked from the good.Nor will Allâh disclose to you the secrets of the Ghaib (unseen),but Allâh chooses of His Messengers whom He wills.So believe in Allâh and His Messengers. And if you believe and fear Allâh,then for you there is a great reward.

Lastly,here's an explanation of a shia Alim

"Based on Quran and the transmitted traditions by Ahlul-Bayt, Allah has two types of knowledge:
1- The knowledge that is withheld (i.e., Ghayb). As I mentioned Nobody has control over this type of knowledge except Allah. Allah may inform "a news from Ghayb" to some of His servants,but this is different than "possessing Ghayb". In fact, there is a
whole chapter in Usul al-Kafi which discusses this type of knowledge where it is clearly mentioned that neither the Imams nor the prophets possess the knowledge Ghayb. "The Will (Mashiyyah) of Allah operates on this knowledge. If He wishes He decrees it. And If He wishes He modifies it and does not carry it out." (See Usul al-Kafi, Kitab al-Hujjah, Tradition #664)

True,Allah reveals news from the unseen to his chosen slaves which are messengers.

2- The knowledge that is granted. "This is the knowledge that Allah fore- ordained (Qadar, Taqdeer), He decrees it, and carries it out (with no modification). And this is the knowledge that has been passed down to the Prophet Muhammad, and then to the Imams." (See Usul al-Kafi, Kitab al-Hujjah, Tradition #664).

I don't understand this,does it mean prophet Muhammad(pbuh) or your Imams have the knowledge of Qadar and can tell people about it?.....Peace

Al-Baqir:
@RoyPcain,
Do you have problem with the shia Imam (a.s) being infallible and having knowledge of the unseen?
Kindly highlight what your view's are and let's dissect it in the light of Qur'an, hadith and intellect.
Salam.

Which knowledge of the unseen do those Shia Imams have? If you believe they possesses knowledge of the unseen,then you are innovating Shirk.
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Hud 11:31 -And I do not say to you that with me are the Treasures of Allâh,Nor that I know the Ghaib (unseen);nor do I say I am an angel, and I do not say of those whom your eyes look down upon that Allâh will not bestow any good on them.Allâh knows what is in their inner-selves (as regards belief, etc.). In that case,I should,indeed be one of the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, oppressors).

Surah Yunus 10:20 -And they say:How is it that not a sign is sent down on him from his Lord? Say:The unseen belongs to Allâh Alone,so wait you,verily I am with you among those who wait (for Allâh's Judgement).

Surah Al-Anaam 6:50 -Say (O Muhammad SAW):I don't tell you that with me are the treasures of Allâh,nor (that) I know the unseen;nor I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me.
Say:Are the blind and the one who sees equal? will you not then take thought?

Surah An-Naml 27:65 -Say:None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (unseen) except Allâh,nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected.

Surah At-Takwir 81:24 -And he (Muhammad (SAW)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen.
Even prophet Muhammad(pbuh)had not a single knowledge of the unseen.Seriously,I don't know your problem with your strange beliefs and strange Imams claiming the unseen.When Sulaiman(As) wanted to die,even the Jinns that worked for him perceived not a feeling of the death to overtake him.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Saba 34:14 -Then when We decreed death for him [Sulaimân (Solomon)],nothing informed them (jinn) of his death except a little worm of the earth,which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick, so when he fell down,the jinn saw clearly that if they had known the unseen,they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.
May Allah guide us all.....Peace

asco15: yap, born out of d plan of God. Thats y he was sent away.

By you right?

cashkid: is all over the news media that they av bn searching for one of their patient.

asco15: ok. what if u r truely calling on allah but ur act of postrating 2 d sunrise is against Allah, just like some xtians bow before images and claim dey r worshiping God? Tnks.

If I may ask,how do you managed to escape from Yaba left?

asco15: U knw say even boko haram de bible? Read John 16:2 'They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service'

Go get better drugs and a good life

asco15: Do you know that the bible prophesy about the coming of islam in a vision that God revealed to phrophet Ezekiel?
Read Ezekiel 8:15-18
'15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs towards the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 18 Therefore will i also deal in fury; mine eye shall not spare, niether will i have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will i not hear them'. Also read Deut.4:19.
I wonder if all the islamic scholars who have been studying the bible just to use it against christian have not read this part of the bible, or which religion practises what was written in those bible verses?
I need your interpretation pls, because i think that, those verses will stand as a judgement against islam after death, same with any religion that uses images or bow to anything made by God. Exod.20:4-5.

Op,are you on expired drugs? Do muslims worship the Sun? This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on NL.
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Fussilat 41:37 -And from among His Signs are the night and the day,and the sun and the moon.Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon,but prostrate to Allah Who created them,if you (really) worship Him.Sun is a creation of Allah,we worship the creator and not the creations.It will be better to attach your prophecy to another thing.....Peace