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NL member: Do you see how you contradict yourself?
1. 'The brother might be wrong in concluding what he said'.

2. 'I don't see where he lied'.

Smh.

I am not contradicting myself.Being wrong in concluding if you were trying to nullify the practices doesn't mean he's lying.

I am giving you headache?!??
I am giving YOU headache

Like Seriously,you are.Feel like ignoring you self.

At the first @bold,suratul hajj was the only surah you mentioned in your last post. How can you claim that I am the one giving you headache when you lack the simple ability of keeping track of what you post? You brought up ONLY Suratul hajj in the post I was addressing and so I mentioned ONLY Suratul hajj in my reply.

But you failed to address my points in other posts,that's what I am referring to. Ibrahim(AS)being the Father of Faith and those stuffs.

You'd better keep track of what you write,don't annoy me again today.

Who annoyed you before? Or you annoyed me.Better drink water.

@2nd bold,so muslims are following Abraham in all aspects eh? Lwkmd.
What you expect me to believe is that every single act that was performed by Abraham is what Muslims should follow and that's why you celebrate eid?

Yes,in terms of faith and practices.

First of all,there are laws which were suitable for Abraham and his people and which Abraham followed and there are also laws which were suitable for Muhammed and his people which they followed.

You are talking about Shariah,we are talking about the faith of Ibrahim(AS).

[s]The religion of Abraham and Muhammed were not identical[/s].

This is very wrong,Allah has ordained the religion of Ibrahim(AS)on us.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Imran 3:95- Say (O Muhammad SAW):Allâh has spoken the truth;follow the religion of Ibrâhim (abraham) Hanifa (Islâmic Monotheism, i.e. he used to worship Allâh Alone),and he was not of Al- Mushrikûn.

Surah Ash-Shura 42:13 -He(Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He ordained for Nuh (Noah),and that which We have inspired in you and that which We ordained for Ibrahim (Abraham),Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically),and make no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion).
Intolerable for the Mushrikun,is that to which you (O Muhammad SAW) call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience.

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:135 -And they say,Be Jews or Christians,then you will be guided." Say(to them):Nay,(We follow) only the religion of Ibrâhim (abraham),Hanifa [Islâmic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allâh (Alone)],and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (those who worshipped others along with Allâh)

Surah An-Nisa 4:125 -And who can be better in religion than one who submits his face (himself) to Allâh (i.e. follows Allâh's religion of Islâmic Monotheism);and he is a Muhsin (a good-doer).
And follows the religion of Ibrâhim (abraham) Hanifa (Islâmic Monotheism - to worship none but Allâh Alone). And Allâh did take Ibrâhim (abraham) as a Khalil (an intimate friend)!

Surah Al-Anam 6:161 -Say (O Muhammad SAW):Truly,my Lord has guided me to a Straight Path,a right religion,the religion of Ibrâhim (abraham),Hanifa [i.e. the true Islâmic Monotheism - to believe in One God (Allâh i.e. to worship none but Allâh, Alone)] and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn).
So we follow Ibrahim(AS)in all aspects of faith.Ibrahim(AS) believed and worshipped Allah,he offered SOLAT,he fasted,he gave zakat and performed Hajj.
We also follow the sincere faith displayed by Ibrahim(AS)when he wanna sacrifice his son.We are obedient to Allah as Ibrahim(AS)was obedient to Allah when he wanted to sacrifice his son,before Allah rescued him with a ram.That's why we celebrate Eid-Kabir.

An example of one such law is Jizyah,Abraham never demanded Jizyah from the non believers of his time.Jizyah is a tax imposed on only Jews and Christians and those two religions didn't exist during Abraham's lifetime so there was no way his practises and that of muhammed are the same.
If muslims are meant to follow abraham. In all aspects ten jizyah would never have been a law because abraham didn't have anything to do with jizyah.

This is a law.
I agree Shariah are different,but the faith isn't different.We follow that to the fullest.

Your quranic justification for celebrating eid has been destroyed.

Nah,you destroyed nothing here,,,,Peace

Ohibenemma: @Lanrexlan, the fact is clear but you refuse to accept it. You asked where Jesus was called Lord and you got several doses of it, now you want to deviate from that and hinge on another logic.You would do well to call Him a liar, won't you?

I am just showing you that 'Jesus' being called Lord doesn't signify that the title is unique to him alone.Many were called Lords in the bible,the same title given to 'Jesus'.

John chapter 14 clearly shows the deity of Jesus.

Which verse or you mean John 10:30?

There He made it clear that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him.

So are the disciples in him as one[John 17:21].Does that makes them a single being? I gave enough proofs in order to tell you that Jesus and the father aren't the same being.

He also once again gave assurance to His disciples on the usage of His name,a fact that is very applicable today.(miracles, signs and wonders accompany the name, Jesus even today.)

Even satan can perform miracles better than 'Jesus'[Matthew 24:24].

There he shed some light on the indwelling of the Father in His fleshy form and also assured us of sending another comforter (the Holy Spirit) All of these are clear enough - even the blind should be able to see it.

Another comforter isn't holy spirit.Those verses are referring to the coming of a man.

Jesus is Lord,not the earthly "courtesy inspired Lordship" but a divine one.

That's not specify in the bible.The same Kurious was used for slave owners too,are they also divine Lord?

When he talks of being a messenger, He refers to His earthly fleshy form which is God in man,coming down for the purpose of SUFFERING DEATH for our sakes and SHEDDING BLOOD on the cross as a final propitiation for our sins.Thank you, Lord for inspiration.
Jesus is Lord!

God coming down in man? Does that makes any tangible sense to you? Did Bill Gates transformed into a computer before he knew the good and bad of the computer? You are limiting the power of God,he's not a man and can never transform into a man.Why would God relegate himself into his creature before he can know what man needs and feels? Even man doesn't transform into what he created,talkless of God.
The true creator doesn't need blood sacrifice before he can forgive those he created.....Peace

NL member: lanrexlan!!!

You couldn't even correct yer brother for telling lies......

And here I was holding you in high esteem.

*Sigh*

The brother directed you to a link that talks about Ibrahim(AS)sacrificing Ismael(AS).Is that his lies? He thought you wanna nullify the practices,he may be wrong concluding that,but I can't see where he lied.
**Sigh**

Those two verses don't mention any eid, you are simply trying to force their interpretation to mean eid el kabir celebrations. In Suratul hajj verse 78 allah asks muslims to strive as they ought to strive and stated that Islam is the religion of abraham.

You also have to take into consideration the preceding verse to the one you posted (Hajj 77) that says, 'O you who have believed, bow and prostrate and worship your Lord and do good - that you may succeed.' and the next verse which is a continuation goes on to say, 'And strive hard in Allah's Cause as you ought to strive.He has chosen you,and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship,it is the religion of your father Ibrahim (Abraham).It is He (Allah) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Quran),that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind!'

So as you can see the verses are instructions for worshipping allah,they command muslims to bow to allah and praise him and do good and to strive. All these things are regular acts that are meant to be carried out in the course of worship.
Abraham was mentioned in the verse because allah wanted to inform muhammed that the similar instructions to what muhammed was receiving are what abraham received during his lifetime.

There is no eid celebration mentioned there please let me hear word..

Seriously,you are giving me headache bro,I'm fed up repeating myself.Is it only that Surah Al-Hajj you saw in my post? Ibrahim(as) is the Father of Faith,we are to follow his footsteps in all manners.
He showed his faith by trying to sacrifice his son,but Allah rescued the son from that and replace him with a great sacrifice.That's what gives birth to Eid-Kabir.

Do you see how I showed you how mankind being a single community,and Allah chose Ibrahim(AS) to be the leader and enjoined on us the religion of Ibrahim(AS)[Islam] and He is a role model to follow in all aspects? We are doing this in the footsteps of Ibrahim(AS),is that clear now?.....Peace

factorial1: nop bro...in all situation, give thanks 2 God...you saw ur name via the candidates that are eligible 2 change the course ryt?

He can't,Pds students won't be listed for that I think.It's for utme students.

golpen: @lanrexlan

Salaam bro...I recognise your effort to help our NL member, may ALLAH bless you. But he is someone who either lives in the pain of hiding his true self (not a christian, not an etheist) or wallows in the shame of not having something to protect. I thereby count a dialogue with him a waste. All he needs is prayer for ALLAH to illuminate his life. Peace.

Ameen and you too my brother.He's an atheist ex-muslim he said,only Allah can give guidance.....Peace

NL member: This is what you said about Surah As Saffat;



The bold and enlarged part says allah left a goodly remembrance among generations to come in later times.
'A goodly remembrance in later times' could mean the story of Abraham in the Bible.It could mean the story of Abraham in the Qur'an. it could also mean the story of Abraham in both the Bible and the Qur'an because these tales about abraham serve as a remembrance for who he was when he was on earth.
Nowhere does the verse say that the 'goodly remembrance' is talking about eid el kabir.

The goodly rememberance is talking about the Faith and Piety displayed by Ibrahim(AS).We are to follow that.Allah isn't in need of the ram nor the blood,He requires our Taqwa just like Ibrahim(AS) displayed his by trying to sacrifice his son.

Allah also made it clear to us in Surah Al-Hajj 22:37 that … it is not their (animals) flesh nor their blood that reaches Allah,but it is your piety that reaches him.
Thus Eid-Kabir is a demonstration of belief and obedient to Allah.It is also celebration of His favour and mercy.It is pious sacrifice to be commemorated,symbol of thanksgiving wherein there is a lot of reward from the Merciful Lord.
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Hajj 22:78 -And strive hard in Allah's Cause as you ought to strive.He has chosen you,and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship,it is the religion of your father Ibrahim (Abraham).It is He (Allah) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Quran),that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind!.....
We follow this in every aspect,do you get me now?.....Peace

factorial1: lolz...that's gud nah bro...it's a prestige 2 be given double admission!

What about those that haven't got none?

NL member: @Lanrexlan
You obviously did not understand my last post.

You posted a verse from the quran that mentions hajj rites and tried to pass them as instructions for eid celebrations so I told you those instructions were specifically directed to those performing hajj.

The instructions are meant to be a part of their hajj rituals.

Surah Al-Hajj 22:26-30 -We (Allah) assigned to Abraham the site of the House (Kaaba) saying associate nothing with Me and keep My house clean for those who perform the circuits and those who stand up and those who bow down and prostrate,then proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee by every distant track,so that they may witness its benefits for them and celebrate the name of Allah through the appointed days,over the cattle that Allah has provided for them for sacrifice,then eat ye there of and feed the distressed,the needy and complete the rites prescribed of cleansing and fulfill their vows and go round the Ancient House,that is My commandment and whoso honours the sacred rites of Allah,it will be good for Him with his Lord.

Analysis of the verse;
Proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee every distant track so they may celebrate the name of allah over appointed days;
Take note of the last two words; "Appointed days". The verse clearly says celebrate over a number of days so it very obviously isn't talking about the eid celebration because eid el kabir is a one day only festival. Also note that there is a coma following the words "appointed days". Coma, and not full stop because more instructions follow for those that the verse is directed to. It doesn't stop with celebrating. The celebrations should also be followed by giving to the needy, completing the process of cleansing, fulfilling vows and then finally going round the ancient house.
That last part ie going round the ancient house(Kaaba), shows that the list of rituals/rites outlined in that verse are only for those performing hajj. They are not meant for those who are not on hajj cos non hajji do not have to circumnavigate the Kaaba.
That verse is not talking about eid el kabir. Its talking about hajj rites.

Please in the name of allah understand it this time, I really hate repeating myself over simple matters like this.

I'm not arguing about Surah Hajj again bro,I never repeated the Surah in my next post.
I brought up another verse of Surah As-Saffat and I explained how we are to follow Ibrahim(AS),what do you have to say about that?.....Peace

NL member: That verse was specifically directed to those performing the hajj as you can see from the part I put in bold. Peace.

Not those people only.Allah declared in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:213 that surely mankind were one community,then He choose one man i.e. Ibrahim(AS) to be the leader of all men in faith (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:124),He (Allah) then approved for Ibrahim and all men,only one religion (Al-Islam)[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:131-137].
He commanded Ibrahim(AS) to build one worshipping house (Kaaba) for all mankind to come and worship only One God (Allah)
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We are to follow the religion of Ibrahim(AS) and his way of life,he's a role model.Allah says in the glorious Quran in
Surah An-Nahl 16:120 -Verily,Ibrahim (Abraham) was an Ummah (a leader having all the good righteous qualities),or a nation,obedient to Allah,Hanifa (i.e. to worship none but Allah),and he was not one of those who were Al-Mushrikun (polytheists,idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah,and those who joined partners with Allah).So,we follow the footsteps of Ibrahim(AS)in celebrating Eid.

Allah says in the glorious Quran in
Surah As-Saffat 37:101-106 -So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.And,when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him,he said:O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allah),so look what you think!
He said:O my father! Do that which you are commanded,Insha' Allah (if Allah will), you shall find me of As-Sabirin (the patient ones,etc.).
Then,when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allah),and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering) And We called out to him:O Abraham! You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinun (good-doers)
Verily,that indeed was a manifest trial And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations (to come) in later times.
So we follow Ibrahim(AS),is that clear?.....Peace

feyisayorrr: plz can i still change 2 biochemistry in d coc form coz i put in 4 biochem orignally,2nd choice cand. ?

It's not advisable,choose another course na.

NL member: Ok stop crying and pull yourself together, I don't want to deal with emotional outbursts this afternoon.

Golpen, oya quote the part of the quran where eid el fitri and eid el kabir is mentioned.
Quote them and prove that I am wrong while you are correct.

I'm waiting.

Are you looking for the word Eid Filtri and Eid Kabir?
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Hajj 22:26-30 -We (Allah) assigned to Abraham the site of the House (Kaaba) saying associate nothing with Me and keep My house clean for those who perform the circuits and those who stand up and those who bow down and prostrate,then proclaim unto mankind the pilgrimage they will come to thee by every distant track,so that they may witness its benefits for them and celebrate the name of Allah through the appointed days,over the cattle that Allah has provided for them for sacrifice,then eat ye there of and feed the distressed,the needy and complete the rites prescribed of cleansing and fulfill their vows and go round the Ancient House,that is My commandment and whoso honours the sacred rites of Allah,it will be good for Him with his Lord.
What's the above referring to?.....Peace

factorial1: lol....shey he dan gain admission for a skul ni?

Unilag has admitted him o,I just don't know his wahala with Futa

dapreacher: Hmmmm..Futa!!! Still no admission and wasn't shortlisted for d coc..na wa for dis kyn skul o

If I punch you from here,what's your stress with Futa self? You wanna attend two schools at the same time ni?

Emusan: No! after He has created the heaven and the earth He now handed it over to Muslim's God and became God of Abraham, Isaac, and Isreal(Jacob) alone.

Because I see you missed that part. Genesis 1:1

No reply again,[s]because you know Quran can't survive without Bible[/s].

Shalom!

Bye

aweonline: yea ..m tinking of choosing mining,project management nd building ; any hope?

It's good,all is well.

Emusan: This is a serious issue....to you now you've given the best reply. Smh

Now that these attributes are still there what will happen?

It's up to you.Do you believe God is for all people or Israel alone?

Dizney: Pls, with my score, can i change to i.d.d?

Why not? You can.

aweonline: pls I scored 48 in p Jamb nd am about to choose mining engineering for d change of course..any hope??

Is your name listed for those eligible for COC?

Mintayo: Owh,the same old trick,"show me where He said this","show where he said that".

Seriously,I am not here for hide and seek game.

Jesus is Lord. Jesus is very humble,He doesn't have to announce Himself before the ppl realize who He is.
From the book Matthew to John,He was called 'Lord' more than 100times,if He is not Lord,don't you think He would have rebuked the people from calling Him so?
Matthew 12:8,Jesus said...
"For the Son of Man is Lord even over the sabbath".
Also read John 9:35-38.
Now let us see what He said in John 13:14.
And since I,your Lord and Teacher,have washed your feet,you ought to wash each other's feet.
Did Jesus called Himself Lord or not? Or do want more verses?
.
You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Firstly,Lord doesn't mean God in the bible.The greek word kurious has been translated as Lord in the bible and this word exists in many places in the bible.See these
Matthew 20:8 (KJV) -So when even was come,the Lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward,Call the labourers,and give them their hire,beginning from the last unto the first.Property owners being called Lord.

Matthew 10:24 (KJV) -The disciple is not above his master,nor the servant above his lord.Slave owners were called Lord.

1 Peter 3:6 (KJV) -Even as Sara obeyed Abraham,calling him lord: whose daughters ye are,as long as ye do well,and are not afraid with any amazement.Husbands are called Lord
So,Lord doesn't mean God,'Jesus' being referred to as Lord means he is the master of his disciples and not their God.Is that clear?.....Peace

Ohibenemma: John 10:30... If Jesus Christ and the Father are one and the Father is the Lord,who's Jesus?

'Jesus' is a messenger sent.
John 17:3 (NIV) -Now this is eternal life:that they may know you,the only true God,and Jesus Christ,whom you have sent.
---This signifies 'Jesus' and the father aren't one.
---Jesus is a man and the son of man[John 8:40,Acts 2:22,Mark 2:10,Matthew 12:40],God isn't a man neither the son of man[Hosea 11:9,Numbers 23:19].This means Jesus and the father aren't one.
---Jesus clearly says his father is greater than him[John 14:28] and he rejected being good,saying only God is good[Matthew 19:16].This also signifies 'Jesus' and the father aren't one......Peace

dhayor58: microbiology, jamb=230, pj=64%

Wait o,I knew someone that scored 203 in utme and 68% and post utme and has been admitted.Are you 2nd choice ni?

Ohibenemma: @Mintayo, thanks bro, may the oil never run dry. @Lanrexlan, please do well to read John 3:13, that may help clear some misconceptions. Jesus is Lord.

Point out a verse from the Bible where 'Jesus' says he's lord.....Peace

FOLYKAZE: No need to strawberry pick around....eat this:

Quran 8:31
And when Our verses are recited to them,they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say something like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples."


Bible fairy tale in talking ant designated quran.Lol

The verse talked about the pagans of Makkah accusing prophet Muhammad(pbuh) of that.Can't you see They say there?

Flat earth theory in your quran

Provide proof for this.

.....tell me direction of Qibla from space. When muslim astronaut are travelling on spacecraft, how will they pray?

They will pray when they are on ground or they can shortened their prayers.

Your almighty God is dull about universe

Can't you ask question without insulting?.....Peace

Emusan: I can't just stop laughing! Were you not the one who spent more than a day arguing that Christian and Muslim are serving the same God?

That Bible prophecy the coming of Muhammad...

God will save us.


Shalom!

My good sire,if you remembered what I said what that if we remove some attributes given to God in the bible,then we can come to that conclusion.God should be the Lord of all people and not Israel alone as displayed by some verses of the Bible.....Peace

Shollyps: If ur jamb combination is english,bio,chem, phy or maths.u can port to biochemistry

Sure,provided your O level is Ok.

Habiz: my first choice is OAU brother

What's up with OAU na?

Ohibenemma: Firstly,I stated that Muhammad couldn't guarantee HIMSELF heaven,not to talk of his followers,that's a FACT.

Just like 'Jesus' and other prophets(Peace be upon them all).

This is in contrast with Jesus who's gone to prepare a place for us(CHRISTIANS). Also,I said Jesus doesn't guarantee positional statuses in heaven nor heaven itself,but ASSURES ALL who go THROUGH HIM (THE WAY) of a place there.Get the logic right.

Nobody is assured of paradise unless the father who sent Christ draws him.We read John 6:44 (NIV) -No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him,and I will raise him up at the last day.If the father doesn't draw the person nko,then there's no way Jesus can assure the person paradise.Do you get the logic too? ....Peace

FOLYKAZE: Cherry picking....what that got to do with tale?

Quran was plagiarized from bible.... Designated Fairy tale.

Your Allah who knows the secret of universe didn't know that sky isn't rocky. Lol.

Feed that to brainwashed and those that closed their brain from reasoning. Hijab and lawani thang.

Stop trolling me with peace. Nothing like that in islam

I'm not cherry picking,I am orange picking.Quran isn't a tale,the pagans of Makkah accused prophet Muhammad(pbuh) of that and Allah denied teaching his prophet(pbuh) a tale or poetry.


So,if the Quran was plagiarised from the bible(nasuoubillah) why did the Quran avoided all those errors and contradictions in the bible? Moreover,I am not trolling here with anything.....Peace

Habiz: Let keep d faith going...for me if am ask to change my course 100times i wnt change my mind from elect/elect..so no nid wasting 10k 4 change of course

What's your first choice school bro? If you have higher chances of gaining admission into your first choice,no need changing then.

FOLYKAZE: Surah 56, verses 77-80: This is a glorious reading on a book well kept, which none but the purified teach. This is a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
Surah 25, verse 5: They said: Tales of the ancient which he has caused to be written and they are dictated to him morning and evening.


Where was the quran plagiarized? Bible....bible is what? Tale. What happen to quran? It become designated tale.

Same BS

But next verse of Surah 25:6 says Surah Al-Furqan 25:6 -Say:It (this Quran) has been sent down by Him (Allah) (the Real Lord of the heavens and earth) Who knows the secret of the heavens and the earth.Truly,He is Oft-Forgiving,Most Merciful.A Narration from the Lord of the worlds.....Peace

Habiz: okay tanks brother

Welcome sire.

The biblical god is the god of Israel.
Psalm 106:48 (NIV) -Praise be to the LORD,the God of Israel,from everlasting to everlasting.Let all the people say,Amen! Praise the LORD.

Amos 3:1-2 (NIV) -Hear this word the LORD has spoken against you,O people of Israel--against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt.You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth;therefore I will punish you for all your sins.

2 Chronicles 6:4 (NIV) -Then he said:Praise be to the LORD,the God of Israel,who with his hands has fulfilled what he promised with his mouth to my father David.

Deuteronomy 33:29 (NIV) -Blessed are you, O Israel! Who is like you,a people saved by the LORD? He is your shield and helper and your glorious sword.Your enemies will cower before you,and you will trample down their high places.
But Allah(swt) is the lord of Mankind.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah An-Anbiyaa 21:92 -Truly! This,your Ummah [Religion (Islamic Monotheism)] is one religion,and I am your Lord,therefore worship Me (Alone)
Surah Al-Faitha 1:2 -All the praises and thanks be to Allah,the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind,jinns and all that exists).....Peace