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ALLAH LOVES TO FORGIVE
Of Allah’s most beautiful names and attributes are:
Al-Gafur- The Forgiving;Al-Halim–The Forbearing; Ar- Rauf – The Compassionate; Al- Afuww –The Effacer of sins and At- Tawwab – The Acceptor of repentance.
Quran says that Ar-Rauf,in His Forbearing nature gives us respite,waiting for us to repent and seek forgiveness -Surah An-Nahl 16:61.

He is ever ready to respond to the sincere call of those who seek His forgiveness. Thus,He orders in [color=black]Surah Az-Zumar 39:53-54 -O my servants who have committed excesses against their own souls! Despair not of Allah’s mercy.Surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily,He is most forgiving merciful.
And turn to your Lord and submit yourselves to Him before there comes unto you the punishment,for then you shall not be helped[/color]
Allah says in Surah Ghafir 40:55- … And ask forgiveness for your fault…” Q40:55.

The Concept Of Shirk
The most serious of all is Shirk i.e. having other gods beside Allah.
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah An-Nisa 4:48 -Allah does not forgive that any partner be associated with Him,but He may forgive whatever is short of that to whomever He pleases.And whoso associates partners with Allah has indeed devised a very great sin.

Meanwhile no major sin remains major as long as one repent on it and seek forgiveness before death overtakes the soul,likewise no minor sin remains minor as much as one did not stop committing it. And it is as destructive as shirk.
The Prophet worriedly said: What I fear most for you (my followers) is the minor shirk!” A man asked,‘what is minor shirk’? He said: “disguised shirk” (Ahmad).


EFFECT OF SIN:
Sin and evil deeds distance goodness from man;it make his supplication unanswered; his life miserable;cursed by angel and men; subject him to fear and worry; make death hard for him;make his enemy overpower him;lost salvation and paradise the home of peace and subject him to severe torment in hell fire!

REPENTACE,HOW TO DO IT?
Repentance is mandatory for every sin.If one commits a misdeed or wrongs himself he should hurry to Allah for forgiveness without any delay or mediation whatsoever.
Talk to Allah directly! Make an unfailing promise to Him.This is done by:
(1)Abstaining from committing that deed; (2)Regretting having committed the deed: (3)Determine not to return to that deed any longer.
And if it involves taking/usurping people’s rights/materials,then that material or right illegally taken must be returned.
Allah says in [color=black]Surah At-Tahrim 66:8 - O you who believe! Turn to Allah with sincere repentance![/color]
Surah Al-Imran 3:135-136 -Those who, when commit a foul deed or wrong themselves remember and implore forgiveness for their sins… And do not persist knowingly in what they have done. It is these whose reward is forgiveness from their Lord…
In addition as a way of humble life that acknowledges error of omission or commission,one should take it as part of prayer,some words of seeking forgiveness as taught by the Prophet who even despite his pure and sincere life said:
By Allah, I seek Allah’s forgiveness and turn to Him in repentance for more than seventy times a day” (Bukhari).

ACT OF SINNING
By error of commission or omission,man goes into sin through satanic deceit and inspiration,passion of greed for wealth, self- love,envy,egotism,laziness,hunger for position and office,hypocrisy,suspicion and desire to be famous,are all footstep of Satan to sin and evils,which are hated by Allah.

Man is imperfect and ever-wanting in almost every condition and this leads to infirmity in his behaviour with men like him,other creations and in following the command of his Lord.
It is not a sin that man is imperfect or fallible as that differentiates him from the Lord.Allah cannot be matched by any in His perfection and goodness.
But man must worship Him and emulate His attributes.And it is a sin that man has the ways and means of relative perfection and chooses not to seek it!
Imperfection and fallible on the other hand are not the equivalent of sin or synonymous with criminality.Man has the potential capacity of sin latent in him,but this is not greater than his capacity of piety and goodness.
If he chooses to actualize the potential of sin instead of the potential of goodness,he will be adding a new external element to his pure nature and Allah’s spirit in him.

Allah demands of everyone purity,sincerity and piety as a responsibility of his nature and it is within the human possibility and reaches.
Allah says in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256 -Allah burdens not any soul beyond its capacity,it gets every good that it earns and it suffers every ill that it earns…


NO ORIGINAL OR INHERITED SIN: Islam knows no original or inherited sin as man is born in pure nature of submission to Allah’s command.
Allah says in Surah Ar-Rum 30:30- Set your face to the religion as one devoted to Allah.The nature made by Allah,nature in which He has created mankind.There is no altering the creation of Allah.
The Prophet(PBUH) said: Every child is born in a natural state of purity in submission in Islam but his parents later turn him to Jews,Christians or idolater.
That is to say whatever becomes of a man after birth,is as a result of external influence and intruding factors such as parental and societal influences.These factors,of course,do not deny man of his freedom of choice or exempt him from responsibility.

Allah says in Surah Al-Insan 76:2-3 -We have created man.We made him hearing and seeing.We have shown him the way,whether he be grateful or ungrateful

The forces of good and evil hold sway over man causing life struggle and this makes life interesting and meaningful.
Though man has the potential capacity of sin latent in him,but this is not greater than his capacity of piety and goodness. The spirit of Allah was breathed into man (Surah As-Sajadah 32:19).
By this,man is bound to have and exhibit certain spiritual qualities and inclination and good spirit of Allah.
Now,if he chooses to actualize the potential of sin instead of the potential of goodness and Allah’s spirit in him,he will be adding a new external element to his pure nature and Allah’s spirit in him.And for this added external element,he shall be responsible.

Whereas,it pleases Allah to see His servant in a state of spiritual and moral victory, victory over all sins and corruptions.
Allah has warned in Surah Al-Anam 6:120-Eschew open sins as well as secret ones.Surely those who earn sin will be rewarded for that which they have earned


DEFINITION OF SIN
Islamic scholars have defined a sin as any act,thought or will that:
(1)Is deliberate;
(2)Defies the unequivocal law of Allah;
(3)Violates the right of Allah or the right of man;
(4)Is harmful to the soul or body;
(5)Is committed repeatedly;
(6)Is normally avoidable.

Which 'Jesus'? Is it Paul's fellow worker,Jesus Jestus[Colossians 4:11] or Manchester City's winger,Jesus Navas or Benfica's coach,Jorge Fernando Pinheiro Jesus.Which of the three?

factorial1: @lanrexlan....I won't say mine is genuine rather lets keep believing...n' praying!...wish eva the case, I believe all is well.

All is well bro.

factorial1: Evening guyz!...4rm wat I heard 4rm FUTA SUG finacial secretary(Olamide): he said they r almost tru with the 2nd list...and it's expected 2 be released this wk...or latest early next-wk. Lets just hope 4 the best. I pray we all smile @last. Happy matriculation to me n' u in advance. God bless you all. Amen

Hehehe,which one should we believe now?
Dizney says

Dizney: Frm peopl i knw there,no body is doing anytin
about d 2nd list until resumptn (ASUU) 1ST BATCH WAS RELEASED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THE STRIKE WOULD END SOON!

And you come with another news,but I believe Dizney sha cos his news was true the last time.

Dizney: Frm peopl i knw there, no body is doing anytin about d 2nd list until resumptn (ASUU) 1ST BATCH WAS RELEASED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THE STRIKE WOULD END SOON!

Gbaguan!!! House is boring o,ASUU please resume.

cleanvessel: @ lanrexlan

Please answer these questions. If properly answered, you will discover that quran is not only inconsistent but a book of confusion.

1. At what point did the people throw away the Torah and Injeel, was it before islam,during Muhammad's time of after him?

2.If it was before islam,why would allah refer Muhammad to something that is non-existent to make confirmation?

During the time of prophet Muhammad(pbuh).If you read my post very well,you should notice the word a party or some.Not all the people of scriptures are the same,some stands for what's right and read the Injeel and Taurah without changing the words.
Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Imran 3:113-115 -Not all of them are alike;a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right,they recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of the night,prostrating themselves in prayer.
They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (Islamic Monotheism,and following Prophet Muhammad SAW) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism,disbelief and opposing Prophet Muhammad SAW);and they hasten in (all) good works;and they are among the righteous.
And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knows well those who are Al-Muttaqun(The Pious).People like Abdullah bin Salam(ra),he was a Jew but when prophet Muhammad(pbuh) read verses from the Quran to him,he quickly recognized Muhammad(pbuh) as the Prophet they were waiting for as prophesied in the Injeel and Taurah with them and accepted the Quran as the word of Allah,thereby accepting Islam.

3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how was he able to receive the revelation that the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had been thrown away?

It was during the time of prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

4. The quran confirms that the Scripture was a clear proof in writings.This means there were copies in circulation. How possible all copies vanished without anyone having a copy anywhere? You should by now discover a lie is told.

There were some learned men of Injeel and Taurah who acts according to the law of Injeel and Taurah before and during the time of prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
When a large portion of the Injeel and Taurah has been thrown away and the people that inherited it has distorted the word of Allah with their mouth,replacing it with theirs among the people of the scriptures and the remaining part of them has accepted Islam,now following the Quran,then where are the many copies of original Injeel and Taurah in circulation then?
The copies in circulation will be the ones distorted by these people.
In an hadith of our beloved prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
Narrated Ubaidullah:Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle(Prophet Muhammad) is newer and the latest? You read it pure,undistorted and unchanged,and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it,and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said,It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain.Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah,we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!(Sahih Bukhari,Volume 9, Book 92,Hadith Number 461)

5. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent revelations? Did He learn from experience?

In every generation,Allah has sent a messenger with a message to guide his People[Surah An-Nahl 16:36].
All the messengers and books that came before prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and the glorious Quran were meant for that people of that time and that period.Since each revelation then was meant for that people and that particular point in time,then there's no need preserving those revelations after a new messenger arrives because when a messenger leaves,another messenger will come with another revelation which will be very similar with the previous one.
But the glorious Quran and prophet Muhammad(pbuh) are meant for the whole of Humanity[Surah An-Anbiyaa 21:107,Surah Ibrahim 14:1]starting from the time of prophet Muhammad(pbuh) till the end of the world,then Allah promised to safeguard the Quran from corruption of men[Surah Al-Hijr 15:9] because it's the last and final revelation of Allah.

I put it to you the Bible is the Torah and Injeel put in one Book.

That's a big lie.A bulk of the bible is written by historians,story tellers.The Injeel is the revelation given to ISA[True 'Jesus'] and it means gospel(good news)and you failed to show us gospel according to St. 'Jesus'.Taurah is the revelation given to Moses(pbuh).
N B**unfollows thread**.....Peace

cleanvessel: @dareabiola98

Quran 16:43
And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the followers of the Remembrance IF YE KNOW NOT!

Here again,allah is referring muslims to the receivers of the Scripture. This continued reference indicates allah seriousness about the earlier Scripture.

Quran 16:44
With clear proofs and WRITINGS.....

I'm sure you know the quran was not revealed in writing.Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier Scriptures.

Surah An-Nahl 16:43-44 -And We sent not (as Our Messengers) before you (O Muhammad SAW) any but men,whom We inspired,(to preach and invite mankind to believe in the Oneness of Allah).So ask of those who know the Scripture [learned men of the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)],if you know not.
With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers).And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Quran),that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them,and that they may give thought.
.Injeel and Taurah are the previous scriptures and not bible.
The Injeel and the Taurah was never revealed in writing form either.Allah says in the glorious Quran
in
Surah Ash-Shura 42:51- It is not fitting for any man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil,or by sending a messenger to reveal,with Allah's permission,what Allah wills,for He is Most High,Most Wise.So where is Allah revealing his revelations in written form?

So the warning you talk about is not relevant to the Scripture,which allah confirmed the writing as authentic.

Then,this question to you: where is the written Scripture if not the Bible?

The Injeel(Gospel) is the revelation given to Isa[True 'Jesus'(pbuh)] and not the bible,can you show
the Gospel according to St. 'Jesus' from your bible? The Bible means collections of different books.The Injeel has been lost as some of the people that inherited it from Isa threw it behind their backs.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:101 -And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah (i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him)confirming what was with them,a party of those who were given the Scripture threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know!

Surah Al-Imran 3:187 -(And remember) when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) to make it known and clear to mankind,and not to hide it but they threw it away behind their backs and purchased with it some miserable gain! And indeed worst is that which they bought.

The Advanced Learners Dictionary defines Scripture as the Bible.

No doubt the Scripture is the Bible, confirmed written with PROOF by allah.

Allah never confirms the Bible.When the previous Scriptures are being referred to in the Quran,it means Injeel and Taurah,not bible.

Again,as earlier asked by the OP, why would allah contradict the earlier Scripture,confirmed as authentic by himself?

Allah never contradict the original Injeel and Taurah he gave to his prophets(Peace be upon them both).....Peace

Masha Allah,nice write up.Then,people coined 'Islamic Beauty Pageant'- 'It means we want to show the world Islam is good and not exposing our body,but they were catwalking huh?

Dekins88: ^^^^^^
lanrexman how far? Any info abt the second list

I'm fine bro,no info yet and the payment of the acceptance fee has closed.

Empiree: @lanrexlan, I don't think you need to waste your time with these guys. Do you even think for a second that these folks are sincerely seeking guidance. I'm not God but I can tel u that they already made up their mind to antagonize anything about islam. They wil continue to do so untill they enter their graves. They just here to fool around muslims. I don't know who let them use computer. World is upside down. Intelligent ppl are getting scarce. I have been through this before. I gave it up.
Believe me. They are NOT sincere. This is what happened to Abu Lahab. He struggled to fault the prophet and islam despite correcting him. God eventually sealed off his heart that he was not able to understand. This eventually led him to hell. Even if you present all truth to NL, paris love and co, they wil not believe. They are looking specifically into islam things to use against. Not to learn. So lanre, don't waste your time with fools.

Well said bro,thanks

Paris_Love: You're getting it all mixed up.
1) I didn't say men will get 72 virgins. A Saudi Arabian cleric did. Surely you're not more Muslim or knowledgeable than a SAUDI ARABIAN CLERIC. Besides Quran did say men will get virgins but didn't say how many.

2) When you say women will get their own rewards try and be specific. We all know men are getting virgins and pearl looking male servants but women get none of that except their old husbands and I don't think that's a reward.

Paradise itself is a reward.EOD.....Peace

NL member: When did refusing to agree with you become the same thing as refusing to reason with you?
Worefa.

.......Peace

You failed to part with what you've read before even it's false,after showing you the right one from authentic sources and still repeating it.....Peace

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NL member: Eyaaa..... shebi you no dey vex for us o?

I'm not vexing.

These days you are never in the mood for arguing anything with non muslims.....

Peace

Yeah,because you guys are not ready to reason along with me.....Peace

truthman2012: Lanrexlan,how na?

I am fine,thanks.

Why do you always talk of 'peace' when you mean 'war'?

You called me 'dubious' and next moment you said .....Peace. Which one na?

I never meant war,I know you always quote half baked facts and ignored the main message,that's what I meant by 'dubious manner' of quoting verses from the Quran.I am not referring to you as dubious but rather your approach to the Quran......Peace

donbanj: Pls, hav any1 bin admitted without paying 4 d pume past question&answer.i didn't pay. I no i did well in d pume so i'm expectin my name in comin lists.

Yeah,Shollyps has been admitted without paying for the post utme past questions,but I think it may delay his admission because post utme result will be required and the link for the payment isn't available in the bank again.

truthman2012: @op

While I work on your post even though I have not gone through it yet, may I quickly add this ti your list of quran contradictions to get it answered along yours

[b]Noah and his household, saved or not saved?[/b]

YES

[Quran 21:76] And Noah, when he cried of old, We heard his prayer and saved[b] him and his household[/b] from the great affliction.

[Quran 37:75] And Noah verily prayed unto Us, and gracious was the Hearer of his prayer

[Quran 37:76] And We saved him and his household [/b]from the great distress,

[Quran 37:77] And made his seed the survivors,


[b]NO, HIS SON DROWNED

[Quran 11:42] And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers.

[Quran 11:43] He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned.

Noah and his househouse hold, saved or not saved?

His son is not of his family,when Allah says He and his household were saved,it means Nuh(Noah) and the believers.
When you quote verses,you knowingly in your dubious manner omitted the verses that follow.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Hud 11:45-47 -And Nuh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said,O my Lord! Verily,my son is of my family! And certainly,Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges.
He said:"O Nuh (Noah)! Surely,he is not of your family;verily,his work is unrighteous,so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you,lest you be one of the ignorants."
Nuh (Noah) said:O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.
Nuh(Noah)'s Family are the believers with righteous works,is that clear?.....Peace

basilico: Typical Muslim.. if its something ugly about islam you switch to quran only argument.
Show me where the quran details ablution for a start........

I am not here to argue with you at all.
Surah Al-Maidah 5:6 -O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salat (the prayer),wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows,rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads,and (wash) your feet up to ankles......Peace

basilico: That is a Saudi cleric by the name shankiti. did I say what he said. A Saudi cleric who is preaching to muslims in a mosque.
Why deny the obvious.

If you follow the video he says every houri will come with 70 and each 70 will come with another 70...If you have have four wives the number of virgins at your disposal could as well top up 19000 in paradise each of them wanting a piece of you!!!!

Back it up with verses from the Quran,simple.....Peace

Paris_Love: Females have no rewards whatsoever in paradise. They only get their old husbands and watch him enjoy his own virgins. That's for married women, as for single ones, Quran didn't say. My guess is they'll be among the 72 rewards for men.

BTW, did cleric give exact number? I'm just assuming it's 72, it could be more than that.

I challenge you to point out a single verse of the glorious Quran that talks about 72 virgins in Paradise.Stop displaying your ignorance here,who told you Females will have no reward in Paradise?
Allah says in the glorious Quran in
Surah At-Taubah 9:72- Allah has promised to the believers -men and women,- Gardens under which rivers flow to dwell therein forever,and beautiful mansions in Gardens of 'Adn (Eden Paradise).But the greatest bliss is the Good Pleasure of Allah.That is the supreme success.....Peace

musa ajebor: For instance, the ashura festval practiced in commemoration of the matyrdom of the prophet's grandson by shiite Muslims. Is it contained in the qur'an , hadith or the sunnah? Just asking.

I know about fasting on the day of Ashura which is 10th day of the month of Muharram.
Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him)said:The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)came to Madinah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of 'Ashura'. He said,What is this? They said,This is a righteous day,it is the day when Allah saved the Children of Israel from their enemies,so Musa fasted on this day.' He said,We have more right to Musa than you,' so he fasted on that day and commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day." [Sahih Al-Bukhari,Hadith Number 1865]

Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said:I never saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) so keen to fast any day and give it priority over any other than this day,the day of 'Ashura',and this month,meaning Ramadhan.[Sahih Al-Bukhari,Hadith Number 1867]
But I don't think the prophet(pbuh) celebrated Ashura day as a festival.The Jews took Ashura day as a festival instead and He(pbuh) advised Muslims to be different from Jews.
Abu Musa (may Allah be pleased with him),who said:The Jews used to take the day of 'Ashura' as a festival [according to a report narrated by Sahih Muslim Reported Hadith Number 1916:the day of 'Ashura' was venerated by the Jews,who took it as a festival.According to another report also narrated by Muslim:the people of Khaybar (the Jews) used to take it as a festival and their women would wear their jewellery and symbols on that day].
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'So you [Muslims] should fast on that day.'[Reported by Al-Bukhari]Allah knows best.....Peace

musa ajebor: For instance, the ashura festval practiced in commemoration of the matyrdom of the prophet's grandson by shiite Muslims. Is it contained in the qur'an , hadith or the sunnah? Just asking.

I know about fasting on the day of Ashura which is 10th day of the month of Muharram.
Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him)said:The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)came to Madinah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of 'Ashura'. He said,What is this? They said,This is a righteous day,it is the day when Allah saved the Children of Israel from their enemies,so Musa fasted on this day.' He said,We have more right to Musa than you,' so he fasted on that day and commanded [the Muslims] to fast on that day." [Sahih Al-Bukhari,Hadith Number 1865]

Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said:I never saw the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) so keen to fast any day and give it priority over any other than this day,the day of 'Ashura',and this month,meaning Ramadhan.[Sahih Al-Bukhari,Hadith Number 1867]
But I don't think the prophet(pbuh) celebrated Ashura day as a festival.The Jews took Ashura day as a festival instead and He(pbuh) advised Muslims to be different from Jews.
Abu Musa (may Allah be pleased with him),who said:The Jews used to take the day of 'Ashura' as a festival [according to a report narrated by Sahih Muslim Reported Hadith Number 1916:the day of 'Ashura' was venerated by the Jews,who took it as a festival.According to another report also narrated by Muslim:the people of Khaybar (the Jews) used to take it as a festival and their women would wear their jewellery and symbols on that day].
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'So you [Muslims] should fast on that day.'[Reported by Al-Bukhari]Allah knows best.....Peace

Question
- Is it permissible to write the verse of Al-Kursi, [Quran 2: 255],or any other chapter from the Quran on a piece of paper and then put this piece of paper in water and the patient drinks it?
- If it is permissible, is there evidence from the Quran supporting its permissibility?
- Is it permissible to use supplications instead of Quranic verses in the same manner? According to the Sunnah, are there certain supplications that may be dissolved in water and then drunk?
Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah,The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah,and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. Scholars have varying opinions regarding the permissibility of writing verses from the Quran on a piece of paper, tablet, dish or vessel and then washing it with water and giving this water to the patient to drink as a remedy.
Some of them considered it an innovation in religion,such as the Maaliki scholar Ibn Al-‘Arabi whereas some of the righteous predecessors held that it was permissible and they quoted a narration on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbaas. In this regard, the Hanbali scholar,Ibn Al-Qayyim mentioned on the authority of Mujaahid and Abu Qilaabah that a group of the righteous predecessors were of the view that it was permissible to write verses from the Quran, wash them with water and then let the patient drink it. Another scholar supporting this view was the Shaafi‘i scholar, An-Nawawi . He mentioned that Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Mujaahid, Abu Qilaabah and Al-Awzaa‘i held that it was permissible, whereas An- Nakha‘i considered it to be disliked. An-Nawawi added that it was permissible according to the requisites of the Shaafi‘i School of Fiqh, and that Al-Qaadhi Husayn, Al-Baghawi and others held it to be permissible. Ibn Taymiyyah quoted the view of Ahmad and mentioned that it was permissible to write some verses from the Quran using permissible ink and wash them with water and then let the patient drink it. Referring to this, ‘Abdullaah ibn Ahmad reported on the authority of his father (i.e. Ahmad ibn Hanbal ) that Ibn ‘Abbaas said that when a woman faces difficulty in childbirth, the following may be written for her:
Bismillaah. Laa ilaaha illa Allaah Al-Haleem Al-Kareem. Subhaanallaah Rabil-‘Arsh Al-‘Atheem. Al-Hamdulillaahi Rabil-‘Aalameen (In the name of Allaah, none is worthy of worship but Allaah, the Forbearing the Generous.Exalted is Allaah the Lord of the Great Throne. All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the worlds). {It will be, on the Day they see it, as though they had not remained [in the world] except for an afternoon or a morning thereof.} [Quran 79: 46] {On the Day they see that which they are promised - as though they had not remained [in the world] except an hour of a day. [This is] notification. And will [any] be destroyed except the defiantly disobedient people?} [Quran 46: 35]
He also reported on the authority of his father that it was permissible to write verses from the Quran on a clean vessel, wash it with water and let the patient drink it. Wakee' added to the narration of Ibn ‘Abbaas that the woman drinks from the water and the part of her body below the navel is sprinkled with it.

Consequently,we see that it is permissible to do this when the following prerequisites are satisfied:Using pure ink when writing the Quran and writing it on a pure object.
One should not write the verses with blood, as some ignorant people do, because blood is impure and the Book of Allaah and His verses are not to be exposed to impurities.
Read more here
www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=7852

alexis: Now you are shifting from him been violent to cursing a tree . Come on man! . It appears you knew it was a parable yet you deliberately try to LIE that he ordered the killing when you knew it wasn't true. Why are you been dishonest?

I said no christian has ever explained the parable to me,I never lied.See you next time mate.
**unfollows thread**.....Peace

alexis: Did you answer mine?

Did Mohammad order the killing of a 70 year old woman by tying her to 2 camels and making them run in opposite directions?. A simple YES or NO will suffice

A simple NO and has been proven with proofs.....Peace

NL member: Lol,the usual excuses,
the source is not authentic,
the authentic sources say otherwise,
muhammed was just to holy to ever do anything wrong,
the enemies of islam are on a mission to tarnish the name of the prophet.

You always get your information from Liars and fabricators like Ibn Ishaq or if the narrator is Al-Waqidi.Yeah,enemy of Islam like you.Let me tell you something,no matter the hatred for Islam and our beloved prophet Muhammad(pbuh),Allah is enough for us as a Wakil,He will surely perfect his religion.Islam will keep waxing.

Get real.
Do you honestly believe that such a crime would be recorded the way it happened in your islamic books? Is it not obvious that even if muhammed was guilty that there would be attempts to cover up his crimes by your 'authentic hadith' recorders?

I know he did commit those crimes, I know for certain that he ordered the raype of the girl and the murder of the woman.

Even after I showed you where you and your mentors are wrong from authentic sources,you still insisted on it your wahala sha.

What makes me so sure is the fact that the man had also pulled some ruthless stunts like killing the people of bani qurayza without informing them about his intention to wage war.
He also had sex with his female slaves.......after claiming that Allah gave him permission to do so.
Why would Allah (who is supposed to be a loving god) give permission to men to sleep with slaves?
Including slaves who were already married and the ones who hated their muslim owners had no interest in sleeping with their owners?
Why would allah permit their raype just because they were unfortunate enough to be captured?

Lies again,I am not interested in explaining anything again here.
**Signing off from the thread**.....Peace

alexis: Lanre, I honestly thought you were honest . I will assume you are ignorant on this one. Let us read the passage taken from Luke 19:




It's either you are deliberately lying or you are not doing the text above justice. You keep trying to associate Jesus with violence and AGAIN, there is no where in the Bible that Jesus harmed or killed anyone. This just goes to show that you are really ignorant of basic bible teachings such as this one. The text clearly shows Jesus was narrating a parable as he has done on several occassions.

Seriously,I am not ignorant of it,just that I haven't see a christian that can explain the parable to me.But he cursed an innocent tree right? ....Peace

alexis: Whenever you talk about Spirituality in Christianity,it confuses muslims. For example,muslims don't believe in the original sin so Christ death for atonement of our sins doesn't make sense to them

Your atonement theory is just a story based on assassination of Christ[John 11:47-51].Seriously,If you wanna know about spiritual battle,go and read Ephesians 6:10-20.......Peace

NL member: I don't believe in that authentic hadith bullshyte,only Sunni muslims have their special division of authentic and non authentic hadith,no other sect of Islam selects hadith,not Shia,not ahmadiyah,no body else but sunnis.

Sahih Bukhari,Sahih Muslim,Jami At-Tirmidhi,Sunan Abu Dawud,Ibn Majah and Ahmad are the six authentic hadiths.

Crap.
Crafty bunch of Attaqiyah experts.

Attaqiyah has no basis in the Quran.

This is part of the account of what happened and the source;

Allah’s Messenger sent Zayd to Wadi Qura, where he encountered the Banu Fazarah. Some of his Companions were killed, and Zayd was carried away wounded. Ward was slain by the Banu Badr. When Zayd returned, he vowed that no washing should touch his head until he had raided the Fazarah. After he recovered, Muhammad sent him with an army against the Fazarah settlement. He met them in Qura and inflicted casualties on them and took Umm Qirfah prisoner.

Firstly,Why would Muslim Historians and Biographers collect false stories about Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)?
The reason is because of course people lied during the time of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh),of course people are going to lie or make up stories.After the time of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh),
sometimes Muslim historians and biographers collected these false/ made up stories and put them in their books.However the isnad system tells us if something is early and reliable.So we judge the reliability of a story about the Prophet Muhammad (p),his wives,companions,their wives,and other Muslim figures based on the chains of tranmission.If the chain is authentic,we accept it,if it isn't we don't. As simple as that.
However,this narration is weak because it contains Ibn Humayd.

Muhammad ordered Fatima to be tortured and a crippled slave to rape her daughter in front of him. After the slave has finished,Muhammad called Zayd bin Haritha and ordered him to kill Fatima

The daughter of Umm Qirfa was never raped.According to sound narration of Sahih Muslim.
We arrived in Medina.I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl,O Salama!’I said: Messenger of Allah,she has fascinated me.I had not yet disrobed her.The next day,the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) again met me in the street, he said:O Salama,give me that girl,May God bless your father.I said: ‘She is for you. Messenger of Allah! By Allah! I have not yet disrobed her.The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) sent her to the people of Makkah,and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Makkah.(Sahih Muslim, Hadith 3299)
Now one can observe that Salama (RA) said that he had not disrobed her when they reached Medina and again when the Holy Prophet (PBUH) met him in the street he told that he had not disrobed her.And even the next day,after the night having passed, when he was again asked for the girl,he testified that he had yet not disrobed her though she fascinated him.This is enough proof that Salama didn’t forcefully lay with her as it was against the teachings of Islam.
Islam does not allow a man to forcefully have sexual intercourse with his slave woman,otherwise no could stop Salama from sleeping with a slave girl who fascinated him.We have seen the conduct of pious companion Salama (RA) and there is no reason to say that another pious companion Hazn (RA) would have violated the Islamic injunction and forced the daughter of Umm Qirfa into the intimate relation.

Many people begged the prophet to have mercy on Fatima because she was only an old woman,andalready 70 years old.
Muhammad then ordered Zayd bin Haritha to kill Fatima,who was also known as Umm Qirfa.He killed her in a sadistic way,he tied both of her legs on two camels. He forced those two camels to run in different ways until she was torn into two pieces
At Tabari Vol.8:Page.96

^^^^The source is in bold

Lies,prophet Muhammad(pbuh) never ordered the killing of Umm Qirfa.We learn that Umm Qirfa in her capacity of being the tribal leader plotted to harm the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in person (Ar-Raheeq al-Makhtum p.457).
In Sirat Halabiyya it is stated that;
Zaid bin Harith ordered the killing of Umm Qirfa for she used to revile the Prophet,on whom be peace and blessings of Allah,and because she had prepared thirty riders from amongst he children and grand children and had asked them to attack Medina and kill Muhammad (PBUH).(Sirat Halabaiyya 3/251)

Now this clarifies certain points.
1)It was the Tribe of Fazara,which was headed by Umm Qirfa,who first attacked Muslims who were merely on trading journey.
2)They killed Muslims and took their merchandise.
3)Muslims made a counter attack to punish the trigger-happy tribe.
4)There is no authentic report whether Holy Prophet (PBUH) ordered her killing specifically.Infact it was Zaid bin Harith (RA) who ordered her killing as she was, being the leader of the tribe,responsible for all that happened.
And we just read Zaid himself had seen their aggression and merely survived it.
5)The manner she was killed was not ordained by the Prophet (PBUH)but was carried on by the people who had undergone the terror practiced by her men. It was a reaction by such people; nevertheless it goes against the mannerism taught by Islam.And though such a behavior is deplorable....Peace

alexis: You may be right but we don't go by - MAYBE. In debate and in matters that concern the souls of billions, we go by the truth and fact. It was never recorded that Jesus killed anyone and I CHALLENGE you to prove it - neither in the Bible or the Quran.

Luke 19:27 (NIV) -But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.

On the contrary,he healed the sick, raised the dead,fed the hungry. I find it hard to believe that someone who not only taught love and kindness but also showed it will go back on his own words

Elijah and Enoch did the same as Christ.So,nothing special.