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NL member: How about answering the question of why muhammed ordered the raype of his enemy's daughter?

Provide the reference.Make sure it's an authentic narration.....Peace

NL member: Don't fall for lanre's tricks

He doesn't want to answer the questions you asked him about Muhammed's questionable behavior but he wants you to answer questions about what Jesus said.



This is what Muslims do all the time, if you show them a bad part of Islam that they cannot explain,they bring up the bible and say 'but christians do it too!'

Don't fall for it.

Lol,I am not playing any pranks or tricks.I will answer any question if I wanna.How many of your questions have I dodged? I am not just in the mood.....Peace

alexis: I have a gun, I haven't killed anyone. I used it for target practicing and go to the range often. I keep it in case anyone is stupid enough to break into my home.

Your point?

But you can't be sure what Christ and disciples purchased swords for because John says in his gospel[John 21:25]that there are many things Christ did and there's no space to write them in the bible.JIHAD may be one of those things.

alexis: I am fine mate - I always enjoy debating with you. You seem "some-what" reasonable . How were your exams?

Ooh,you remembered my exams.Wow! Nice of you,it was good.ALLIAMUADULILAH.

alexis: So, where in those scripture did Jesus kill anyone?

What's the purpose of a sword?

alexis: Ah, the muslim community have left their muslim forum. Welcome mate

Just passing by,I am not here for a hot argument with you.In between,how're you?

alexis: I will concede if you can show me where Jesus Christ killed anyone or taught Christians should kill people. You want verses from the Quran and Hadith:

Luke 22:36-38 (NIV) -He said to them,But now if you have a purse,take it,and also a bag;and if you don't have a sword,sell your cloak and buy one.
It is written:And he was numbered with the transgressors;and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me.Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
The disciples said, See Lord,here are two swords.That is enough,he replied.

Luke 12:51-53 (NIV) -Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No,I tell you, but division.From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.They will be divided, father against son and son against father,mother against daughter and daughter against mother,mother- in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law..Then John hid everything Christ did under the pretence of lack of space[John 21:25]

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

New dimension from alexis,what's Tabari 7:79? Is that what you were able to copy from the site you are using?

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

@bold,even this has nullify your claim.As usual,in your dubious manner,you chose to Jump some verses.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190 -And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you,but transgress not the limits.Truly,Allah likes not the transgressors.

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:193 -But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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Tell me what's wrong with those verses,fight those who fight you.

Do you want me to tell you about the raids Mohammad went on and the people he killed? Or the Jewish man he tortured and killed and married his wife after killing her husband

We don't need your fabricated lies that you have concocted with a biased mind.....Peace

alexis: Old story, you haven't quoted one Surah or Hadith to backup your explanation. In a scholarship debate, you have to refer to the same sources you have been talking about. I mentioned two verses, so please put them in the correct context.

From your explanation, you are saying the context is confined to 7th century Arabia wars - is that correct?

You have started your blind game again,can't you see Surah 9:5 and 6 there? Limit your groundnuts

miss_ibk: Hi everyone....for those still waiting for their names to come out,i just wanna encourage u and tell u to pray...i scored 201 in jamb nd 60% in post utme and i was admitted for elect elect.WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE

Wow! Still praying for mine o.

Ray McBlue: Then what's the point of all this then? What's the point of this thread. What's the point of your contributing? How do you expect me to see things in your perspective, if you don't go the extra mile?

We give the answers in the clearest manner,with logical reasoning and proofs.We deliver the message and Allah gives guidance.....Peace

Ray McBlue: When? The only one I remembered that made a semblance of sense was the first one that goldpen helped clarified.

So which other ones were you referring to?

Tbaba has clarified most of your posts,we aren't here to convince and it's not a must you accept our answers.....Peace

Ray McBlue: You know what, guys? Let's just move on. Treat my other post, if you can.

Sire,all your pots have been treated.....Peace

Ray McBlue: Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night
outstrip the day. They float each in an
orbit.

The bold hinted on the possibility. According to the verse, Sun moves in a orbit, and since the moon, orbits around earth, one would then naturally assume that the Sun does the same, since the verse said "they float each in an orbit" translated in plain English as "they each move in their respective orbits" Scientifically it's incorrect. Sun doesn't orbit.

You are still not getting it.Allah says in Surah Yasin 36:40- La alshshamsu yanbaghee laha an tudrika alqamara wala allaylu sabiqu alnnahari wakullun fee falakin yasbahoona
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day.They all float,each in an orbit.

The sun is rotating on its own axis,nowhere does the Quran says the sun orbits,it says the sun is in its own orbit.What's the definition of orbit? As defined by Collins Dictionary,Orbit is a field of influence.You are using orbit as a verb instead of a noun.The sun is in its own orbit rotating on its axis.Is that clear?

I have heard a lot of Christians make excuses in similar nature as yours. It's known as allegory(a symbolic representation). They only use it when they are cornered. I would assume the same of you, until you come up with more intelligent explanation, thanks.




Exactly.

I'm not cornered.....Peace

ritababe: i didnt tak becus no moni den but now i hav gather alot of moni am jst planning wat to fil wen the time com, am going for medicine

Not in Futa,think of another university.

Mustay: Ultimately,Bidah is the first thing that comes to mind,then Ar-Riya for me.

I agree with you bro.The prophet(pbuh) said something similar to it.
Sahih Bukhari,Book Of Holding to the Quran and Sunnah,Hadith Number 422:Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:The Prophet said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you,span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a mastigure,you would follow them." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?"

Mithra has the following in common with the 'Jesus' character:
^Mithra was born on December 25th of the virgin Anahita.
^The babe was wrapped in swaddling clothes,placed in a manger and attended by shepherds.
^He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
^He had 12 companions or "disciples."
^He performed miracles.
^As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
^He ascended to heaven.
^Mithra was viewed as the Good Shepherd, the "Way,the Truth and the Light," the Redeemer,the Savior,the Messiah.
^Mithra is omniscient, as he "hears all, sees all,knows all:none can deceive him."
^He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.
^His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day,"hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
^His religion had a eucharist or "Lord's Supper."
^Mithra "sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers."
^Mithraism emphasized baptism.

December 25th Birthday

The similarities between Mithraism and Christianity have included their chapels,the term "father" for priest,celibacy and,it is notoriously claimed,the December 25th birthdate.Over the centuries,apologists contending that Mithraism copied Christianity nevertheless have asserted that the December 25th birthdate was taken from Mithraism.
As Sir Arthur Weigall says: December 25th was really the date,not of the birth of Jesus,but of the sun-god Mithra. Horus,son of Isis,however,was in very early times identified with Ra, the Egyptian sun-god, and hence with Mithra... Mithra's birthday on December 25th has been so widely claimed that the Catholic Encyclopedia ("Mithraism" remarks: "The 25 December was observed as his birthday, the natalis invicti, the rebirth of the winter-sun, unconquered by the rigours of the season."
www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm
www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm

deols: I was able to release your first ban.For the second, You have only a few minutes before it expires. check again after about 11 minutes.

Thanks ma.

jammyng: That's good. The Quran gives a clearer picture. But I'd like to know how it is linked to the first man created. Link it to creation of human in the Quran

The first man was created from dust.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Ar-Rum 30:20- O mankind! Surely We created you from dust.
Surah As-Sajdah 32:7-9 -He began the creation of man from dust.Then He made his progeny of an extract of water held in light esteem.Then he made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit and made for you ears and eyes and heart......Peace

Ray McBlue: Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?

Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.[/i]

Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The
Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.


Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran.

Because, Allah standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Allah truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun moving) of pre-historic people.

Every time Allah mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun’s movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Allah by saying: look Quran told about sun’s movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe.

And obviously this movement of sun has
nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all.

Why then, Allah was telling the Sun’s movement again and again. I have
already mentioned above, why Allah was hysteric about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Allah has to mentioned about the Sun’s 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night?

What relation Sun’s movement has with the day and night?

Nowhere in the Quran does it says the sun rotates around the earth.
The arabic word used in both verses you quoted is YASBAHUN and it means the motion of a body.If this word is used for a body in a water,it doesn't mean the body is running,it means the body is swimming.Similarly when the word YASBAHUN is used for a celestial body,it doesn't mean the body is floating it simply means it's rotating along its axis with its own motion.
And today science tells us that apart from the sun revolving,it also rotates on its axis

Does the Sun rotate? Are we seeing the same face of the Sun all the time?
The Answer Yes,the Sun does rotate.We can observe this by observing sunspots.All sunspots move across the face of the Sun. This motion is part of the general rotation of the Sun on its axis.
Observations also indicate that the Sun does not rotate as a solid body, but it spins differentially. That means that it rotates faster at the equator of the Sun and slower at its poles. (The gas giants Jupiter and Saturn also have differential rotation.) The movements of the sunspots indicate that the Sun rotates once every 27 days at the equator,but only once in 31 days at the poles..
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970108a.html

Ebig22: then where did the meeting hold.where did they went to meet God if not in heaven

The meeting took place in heaven.Read this
2 Chronicles 18:19-22 (NIV) -And the LORD said,Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?
One suggested this,and another that.
Finally,a spirit came forward,stood before the LORD and said,I will entice him.By what means?' the LORD asked.
I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,he said.
You will succeed in enticing him,'said the LORD,Go and do it.
So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you. What's a lying spirit if not satan?

enilove: It is in the bible in the book of:
Genesis 11:1-9 KJV
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. [2] And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. [3] And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. [4] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. [5] And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. [6] And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. [7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. [8] So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. [9] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Is this not a sadist god!?
How can the biblical god create confusion in the language of the people because they wanted to build a high tower to reach heaven thereby becoming famous? Is he afraid they may hijack his dominion?

Glorified and exalted is Allah,differences in languages is just a sign from Allah[Surah Ar-Rum 30:22] and Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Ar-Rahman 55:33 -O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth,then pass (them)! But you will never be able to pass them,except with authority (from Allah)!.
So Allah challenged men,if you can go beyond the heavens then pass and you won't be able to do that except Allah wills.This is the quality of a True Living God.....Peace

Different races is a sign of Allah.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Ar-Rum 30:22 -And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours.Verily,in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge......Peace

enilove: The devil is not a man but a falling angel(spirit)

Nowhere in the bible is the devil called a fallen angel.Even if devil is an angel as claimed by you and your bible,he's not a fallen one.
Jude 1:6 (NIV) -And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness,bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
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So even angels that failed with their positions are bound in darkness and fetters with everlasting chains and not fallen into earth.

The devil and other angels are spirit beings and God is also a Spirit being,it is there4 easy for them to see God even to accuse us b4 God.
Revelation 12:10 KJV
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Ok,and easy access to work together right?

When a man/ woman is dead and is allowed to see God,that means the man or woman has been justified as a holy person.
But d reason for d devil to see God is to condemn,to report & to accuse us b4 God and not for salvation.

Not necessarily.

No man can see God in with physical eyes and remain alive but the devil ( spirit being) can see God for permission to perpetrate evil .

This is a lie,many saw god in the bible and remain alive.
Genesis 32:30 (NIV) -So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying,It is because I saw God face to face,and yet my life was spared.

Exodus 24:9-10 (NIV) -Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu,and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire,clear as the sky itself.Hmmm

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NL member: I can never believe that statement is a prophecy.
I have a brain and I reason with it..

Ok

Explained what? What are you talking about for heavens sake? This is what you said before:

Then to prove to you that he wasn't an ummi, I posted a hadith that shows Muhammed was literate and since he was literate, he could have read about those nations competing in building tall structures.

Besides assuming he didn't read about the tall buildings and assuming he didn't travel to those lands to see them, there was also a possibility that he was told of the nations building tall structures by those who had travelled far and wide and seen those monuments for themselves.
Many possibilities exist dude.
Many possibilities.

I have explained this to you in another thread and i'm not keen repeating myself.....Peace

NL member: What's your point exactly?
I said the hadith doesn't look like a prophecy to me. It looks like Muhammed{Saw} was making deductions about what the future
would look like based on what he'd observed around him at the time. Muhammed could have heard or read of tall buildings existing in prosperous/wealthy nations so he stated that in the future there would be competitions among nations or peoples to build tall buildings. This isn't surprising at all because even during his time there had been competitions among great empires in different parts of the world in building of very tall buildings.

Well,it isn't a must you believe it to be a prophecy.Keep to your perspective.

Muhammed could read and write. I posted a link to an hadith where Muhammed requested for writing materials

A narration attributed to Sa'id b. Jubair
reports:
“ from Ibn Abbas that he said: Thursday, and what about Thursday? Then tears began to flow until I saw them on his cheeks as it they were the strings of pearls. He (the narrator)
said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bring me a shoulder blade and ink-pot (or tablet and inkpot), so that I write for you a document (by following which) you would never go astray. They said: Allah's Messenger (may peace upon him) is in the state of unconsciousness. "
Sahih al Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 9 hadith
number 468 and Volume 7 hadith 573

Apart from this incidence, I'd said before that it would have been impossible for a merchant to continue with his trade without any knowledge of how to record his transactions on paper so Muhammed was definitely educated since he was a merchant.

I have explained all these to you,I don't have time going over it again.....Peace

ritababe: Please i need someone to drop the list of all university that accept second choice in nigeria, or do futa accept?
Thanks

Futa do accept

Okunoye joseph: @aweonline how do u know the list is for pds 2013/2014

The list is for new pdites,don't you see they are requesting for form number?

NL member: Putting aside the fact that these hadith about tall buildings could have been fabricated, let us consider that people competing on building taller buildings has been going on for a long time, people have been competing about building the biggest, tallest, grandest forever Eg the Egyptian Pyramids, the Erechtheion in Ancient Greece and the Ziggurats that date from the 6th century BC

What's our problem with egyptian pyramids now? Read the hadith again.Among the minor signs of the hour,the Messenger (Peace and blessings be upon him) said:When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings.And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah. [Bukhari ::Book 1::Volume 2:Hadith 47].Are Egyptians or romans shepherds of black camels? Read very well before jumping into conclusion you hear.

And Mohammed could read and write.He was also a travelling merchant, he could have read/heard of empires that stretched in Rome, China and Greece and tall monuments already existed in these places during his lifetime.

This doesn't look at all like a prophecy to me thank you very much.It appears to me to be nothing more than a man drawing deductions based on what he'd seen or read of before.

Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Al-Ankabout 29:48 -Neither did you (O Muhammad SAW) read any book before it (this Quran),nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand.In that case,indeed the followers of falsehood might have doubted.
The Prophet(pbuh) was an ummi(Illiterate).How did he knew about tall skyscrapers when he only travelled out of Arabia just twice?.....Peace

meracool: Those New PDite given Admission are to Pay #160K

160k just for 8months? Na wa oo.

Muba'rok X:
Good day Nairalanders. Curiosity made me put out this questions to you guyz. What do you think.Intellectuals only.

1).You will be able to recognize in the Bible what may be described as "The Word of God."
2).You will also be able to discern what can be described as the "Words of a Prophet of God."
3).And you will most readily observe that the bulk of the Bible is the records of eye witnessess or ear witnesses,or people writing from hearsay.As such they are the "Words of a Historian".
The following quotations will make the position crystal clear:
The FIRST Type: (a) I will raise them up a prophet . . . and I will put my words in ... and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18)
(b) I even,I am the Lord,and beside me there is no saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)
(c) "Look unto me,and be ye saved,all the end of the earth:for I am God,and there is non else." (Isaiah 45:22)
Note the first person pronoun singular in the above references,and without any difficulty you will agree that the statements seem to have the sound of being GOD'S WORD.

The SECOND Type:
(a) Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? . . ." (Matthew 27:46) (b) "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord:" (Mark 12:29)
(c) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.(Mark 10:18).
Even a child will be able to affirm that: Jesus "cried" Jesus "answered" and Jesus "said" are the words of the one to whom they are attributed, i.e. the WORDS OF A PROPHET OF GOD.
The THIRD Type:
And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he,(JESUS) came,if haply he (JESUS) might find anything thereon: and when he (JESUS) came to it,(Jesus) found nothing but leaves . . ." (Mark 11:13)
The bulk of the Bible is a witnessing of this THIRD kind.These are the words of a third person.They are not the Words of God or of His prophet,but the WORDS OF A HISTORIAN.
But the Quran is a revelation from the Creator-Allah(swt).Allah says in
Surah Al-Imran 3:3- It is He(Allah) Who has sent down the Book (the Quran) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth,confirming what came before it.And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).
Surah Hud 11:1- Alif-Lam-Ra.[These letters are one of the miracles of the Quran and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings].
(This is) a Book,the Verses whereof are perfected (in every sphere of knowledge, etc.),and then explained in detail from One (Allah),Who is All-Wise and Well-Acquainted (with all things).
Surah Al-Kahf 18:1 -All the praises and thanks be to Allah,Who has sent down to His slave (Muhammad SAW) the Book (the Quran),and has not placed therein any crookedness.There are many verses from the Quran that also testifies to this.So the Quran is a revelation from almighty Allah and no word of prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is added.....Peace

basilico: In a quran Allah says he is the best deceiver. If I was muslim Id have a real prob believing any word from the Best Deceiver.

No evidence for your claim,produce your proof if you are truthful.The biblical god is the greatest deceiver.
Jeremiah 20:7 (KJV)-O LORD,thou hast deceived me,and I was deceived:thou art stronger than I(in deceiving),and hast prevailed:I am in derision daily,every one mocketh me.