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Ayomivic: Were they call themselves Muslims?

Yeah.Allah says in Surah Al-Imran 3:52-Then when Isa(Jesus) came to know of their disbelief,he said:Who will bw my helpers in Allah's cause? The disciples said:We are helpers in Allah's cause.We believe in Allah and bear witness that We are muslims

Taylor184: i cant stop laughin wen i read ur previous posts,because it is full of lies...I would have loved to prove you wrong but let me just leave you alone to avoid unnecessary arguments...God bless you sir

It's full of lies and none of your brothers including yourself can prove it wrong,Mtcheew.It's very easy produce the truth and I would withdraw.

Sissie: The least you can do is read properly, go back and read again. Educate yourself and stop joining the bandwagon.
This is how people fail exams.

Don't mind him sis,he can't comprehend all those above posts.He is just here to do follow follow.

waldigit :
Beloved, I am sorry to tell u that u cannot understand, because 1corinthians 2:14 . But know this for sure Jesus Christ is the Lord, the unfolding daily events in world today, even concerning Islam as accurately predicted by the bible is my witness. Shalom.

This is a super story,you are flowing with the 'holy spirit' right,please explain to us.

mazaje: What exactly are you on about?. . .Why must a chapter from the bible or any other religious text be the same with the Koran when they are not the same book?. . .How does this challenge make sense?. . .I can bring chapters from the bible that are at par with the koran when it comes to how god is praised and ex-halted for example. . .The bible is not the same book with the koran as such i can not bring a chapter from the bible that is the same with the koran. . .Your challenge makes no sense at all. . .You fail to understand the historical context of the passage, the ancient arabs pride themselves in their poetical prowess, the challenge was for the ancient pagan arabs to produce a book that has as much poetical prowess as the koran. . .Its claer you do not even know the historical context of the challenge. . .

You keep repeating this challenge that makes no sense. .is the koran the best book in the world?. . .Pls name anything, any system that has been talked about in the Koran, be it science, politics, economics, astronomy, law, banking, finance anything that the Koran has touched and I will provide books that have explained these systems much better than the koran can ever attempt to explain them. . .The modern biology text book used in secondary schools in Nigeria explain biology more than the koran can ever explain it so what exactly are you saying?. . .

Oops,why ranting all these? Is the Quran a science textbook? You said the Quran is a book of disjointed discourse,the challenge is that you and your mentors should come together and produce the like of the Quran,is that too hard to produce?

Welcome after all your long epistles.My questions are very simple.
1)Bring a chapter from the bible that's the same with the Quran.I mean a full chapter and not some few verses.
2)You said the Quran is a book of disjointed discourse and sometimes makes no sense.You and all your mentors should come together and produce the like of the Quran,that should be very simple for you I think.
Surah Al-Isra 17:88- And if Jinns and Mankind were together to produce the like of this Quran,they could not produce the like thereof,even if they helped one another.

mazaje: What is this nonsense?. . .What surah. . .many muslims have been taking this verse out of context. . .This was was a challenged to the pagan arabs o bring a book from their traditional pagan religions that can be compared to the koran,to claim it is a challenge to all religions is just ridiculous and funny because many oother religions have books that are at par with the Koran, examples are the bible and the verdes. . .

The shortest Surah(Chapter) in the Quran is Surah Kawther.Bring the like of Surah Kawther from the bible or the vedas.If the Quran and the bible agree on some points don't mean that's a Surah.
Are the arab pagans the only people living at arabia at that time? Maybe you will also tell me this challenge is for the arab pagans too.
Surah Al-Isra 17:88- And if Jinns and Mankind were together to produce the like of this Quran,they could not produce the like thereof,even if they helped one another.

If muslims do not need to defend the koran then why do muslims go about killing people when ever the koran has been defiled?. . .Why do muslims go about killing those that openly question the authorship of the Koran in their lands?

How many people were killed when those fake Qurans were published? How many have been killed when those thousand books were published?

...I have given you names of ex muslim scholars that were either killed or attacked in muslim lands because they questions,challenged and presented their own theory of how the koran came about. .

Ali Sina is an ex-muslim,now an atheist.Why is he still living?
Mirza Ghalib,
Mumin Salih are both ex-muslims,why are they alive?

When I talk of scrutiny and critical scholarship I mean academic scrutiny. . .By academic scholarship and scrutiny I mean the Koran should be open to every body,by that i mean,academics from all over the world that are interested in digging into the history should be allowed access to the holy land,earliert manusxcripts should be allowed to be examined,archological digs etc,so that other things could be dug and found out about the people that lived their, their mode of life and other stuffs that have been buried in the ground etc, all these things will open up and show people how the ancient arabs lived their lives,the gods they worshiped etc. . . .But that is not possible because the muslim holy lands are prohibited to non muslims. No non muslims will be allowed to enter the muslim holy lands. . .The bible has been opened to such, any body can visit Israel and have a look. . .You can visit the vatican and have a look at the ancient manuscripts etc. . .Scholars have dug and found so many thing about the bible. . .You can not even try that with the Kofran, all you can do is build your own theory from what the muslims have presented. . .

One of the earliest manuscripts is in Istanbul,Turkey.You can visit and have a look,don't you know how the arabs lived their early life? The names of their gods and how they worshipped them? Don't you know all these? Aren't there non-muslims studying Islamic history in the University of Madinah,Munawarrah?

I repeat.. . .The koran has NEVER been opened to academic scrutiny the way the bible has,muslims will never allow that to happen. . .

Can you us give the number of books that have been written against the bible?

mazaje: According to Islam,questioning the Allah's absolute authorship of the Koran is a serious blasphemy.A Muslim may face death sentence simply for nurturing an atom of doubt on Koran authenticity.The Koran is above all.Nothing in the creation of Allah is holier than the Koran.

Who told you this?
Allah says in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:23-24-

And if you are doubt concerning that which We have sent down[Quran] to our slave,then bring a Surah of the like thereof and call your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.But if you do it not and surely you can never do it,then fear the fire whose fuel is men and stones prepared for the disbelievers.

So muslims will use their life and blood to defend this narrative and tradition. . .

Muslims don't need to defend the Quran with his life.Allah says in Surah Al-Hijr 15:9- Verily,We(Allah) have sent down the Quran and We will surely guard it..
This has been proving Since more than 1400 years ago,many tried to alter the Quran,published many fake Qurans but they failed woefully.This is a promise from Allah and Allah never fails in his promise.

The koran has NEVER been scrutinized academically like the bible so i wonder why tbaba is even trying to bring up the issue of biblical scholarship, as if the same can be said of the koran. . .Before the bible was opened for critical studies and scrutiny,every body just accepted the position and tradition of the church. . .Now we know so many things about the bible that we wouldn't have known if it wasn't opened for academic scrutiny. . .Muslims should open the koran up and allow it under go the same academic scrutiny and critical studies and lets see. . .Until then muslims have no right to say or talk about scholarship or the bible, since the koran has not undergone the kind of scrutiny and critical scholarship the bible went through. . .

Stop displaying your ignorance here.The time Magazine has reported that more than 60,000(Sixty thousand) Books have been written over 50years to discret Islam and the Quran! Average of 1,200 books per year.So,which critical scrutiny are you looking for again?
Many articles have been written online to discret the Quran.

Have you heard of Ali Sina who owns faithfreedom.com? Do you know how many anti-islamic websites available today? Do you know how many articles have been written against the Quran? Which scrutiny are you looking for again? Read this again,this is another article written just of recent against the authenticity of the Quran.

www.faithfreedom.org/the-quran-was-written-by-aliens-ii/

Allah says in Surah At-Taubah 9:32- They want to extinguish Allah's light[Islam] with their mouths,but Allah will not allow except that His light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate it..
No matter the hatred for Islam and the scrutiny the Quran has gone and still going through,Allah will perfect his religion and guard his Book.....Peace

Jazakumullah Khairan,this is very interesting.

Nairatalks: Well, let us consider 2 things

1) Modern chess is different from the chess played in 700 ad in the Arab areas

2) There is disagreement among scholars on the status of chess. One opinion is that chess is halal if it is not sed for gambling.

I agreed with your 2nd point bro,scholars say if playing chess doesn't include gambling,it's halal.Do you have a backing for your 1st point please?

This is really interesting Tbaba,waiting for our christian brothers filled with 'holy spirit' to debunk these evidences.

m.k.o2005:
We have dwelt long on this mountain and God desires that we move forward !
For front page things,lets consider ur prophet a little just to balance this discussion. MOds please take this to the fron page if not,i will personal go and invite all to this section(religion) !

Jesus is mentioned 97 times in the quran -Why ?
And several hundreds of times in the bible !-Amazing

mohammed is mentioned only 25 times in the quran ! Reason should be becos the god a.llah is what the people needs !
mohammed was NOT mentioned even a single time in the bible yet you guys claim the Almighty God knows a,llah or ur quran !

The reason for this comparison,hoped to commence on the front page is to see how the mere man mohamad is greater than the Son of the Most High God the creator of the heavens and earth !
Sorry we have to go this way becos you guys have failled to provide me authentic evidence(s)disputing the sonship of Jesus Christ !

God help us

@Bold,Tbaba,we've been trying to educate a confused soul,it's a waste of time replying you.You have no knowledge about the Quran.....Peace

Rexyl: @Lanrexian.

Lanrexlan please.

YOU HAVE JUST SHOWN THE WORLD THAT YOUR BELIEF IS EXCLUSIVELY MAN MADE.Nothing Spiritual in it. May you serve God in His only true way - Gospel of Jesus Christ.

What makes it man-made? I believe and worship the one and only true God,who begets not nor was he begotten,there's none comparable to him,the Creator of the heavens and earth who never slumbers nor rest,never drinks blood nor eat flesh.Is this man-made belief?

m.k.o2005:
Concerning the Israel nation and Ephraim as a tribe bein the son of God and we M.K.O,Mintayo,rexsl,Frosbel and other Christians are adopted into the sonship of God ! Israel as a nation is the first son 'amongs nations'becos God chose Israel first before other nations.

Not that he chose Israel,he knew only Israel amongst all nations in the world.
Amos 3:1-2 (KJV) -Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you,O children of Israel,against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt,saying You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities..

Then for Ephraim who is the first son of God amongs the tribes in Israel ! The sons of God you saw picking up wives among the sons of men that got God angry,were the chosen sons of seth intermarrying with the cursed daughters of men;Cain(this one will be too big for u.Later we will discuss this one)

Lolz,engage me please.

We who were gentiles,were adopted into this sonship for accepting Christ ! Now all of us are sons but see below the case with the first son of God,the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD:HE IS THE FIRST AMONGS ALL THE SONS !

David is also a begotten son of God[Psalms 2:7].
Romans 8:14- For as many(not only gentiles)led by the spirit of God,they are sons of God.

Consider,though,the significance of this revelation that Jesus Christ is the Father's "only begotten" Son.This unique phrase is used with reference to the Lord Jesus many other times,and all the five verses below contain vitally important truths concerning Christ.

These verses are as follows: "And the Word was made flesh,and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).This is the key verse of the Incarnation,assuring us that the man Jesus, who dwelt among us for a time,was also the eternal Word who was in the beginning with God" and that He was God" and that "all things were made by Him" (John 1:1-3). He was God the Creator manifest in the flesh. "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him" (John 1:18).

Jesus rejected being good

The Father is omnipresent, and therefore invisible to mortal eyes,but as Jesus said: " He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9). Men have seen and heard the Father in the person of His only begotten Son.Whenever God has been seen by men,it has been through the Son who has revealed Him.

Which father is invisible?Amos 9:1 (NIV) -I saw the Lord standing by the altar.
Exodus 33:11 (NIV) -The LORD would speak to Moses face to face,as a man speaks with his friend.Then Moses would return to the camp,but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
Exodus 24:9-11 (NIV) -Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu,and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire,clear as the sky itself.But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites;they saw God,and they ate and drank.

" For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). This verse, of course, is the most magnificent of all gospel verses; many would call it the greatest verse in the Bible. It assures us that, if we simply put our trust in Jesus who has become man in order to die for our sins, and then to defeat death and become our Savior,our sins will be forgiven, and we shall live forever with Him. "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).

The word only begotten has been thrown out of the Revised Standard Version of the bible,revised by Dr. C I Scofield and other 32 christian scholars of the highest eminence.They said it has no basis in the greek manuscript.
John 3:16 (RSV) -For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son,that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Other than the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,"there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). In view of all that our Savior has done for us, this verse gives clear warning that t[b]hose who refuse or neglect to believe on the person and work of God's only begotten Son, will die in their sins, condemned forever by the Father whose Son they have spurned.[/b] " God sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him" (I John 4:9).

You see that you lanrexlan,tbaba,mclatunji and the rest can be adopted as sons too ! It's unfortunate ur mahamad died with accepting Chrsit as his savior !Don't make same mistake please !

I would rather be a slave like Jesus prostrating myself in prayers[Matthew 26:39,Matthew 14:23].

THE QURAN COPIED BOTH THE APOCRYPHAL AND MIXED IT UP THE FEW CANONICAL BOOKS ! God help us

Lolz,so all those grave errors and unscientific proofs in the bible was avoided in the Quran right?
Surah Yunus 10:38- Or do they said He has fabricated it? Say:Bring then a chapter like it and call upon whomsoever you can besides Allah if you are truthfull.....Peace

m.k.o2005:
Your own issue be say you don master how to google the old testament letters and you love to quote them at will

Dude,you don't know me nor do you know the books I have read.Saying I use google for the old testament verses is nothing but a fallacy.

It will be another long write up by me to educate you on how God in the OT dealt with unbelievers like mohamad and his followers;people like you. 'HE killed them',actually punished them for their disobedience ! We weren't around then and weren't Christians either! But i tell you,if you want to Know if i can kill or hate or bomb either as a suicide bomber or mosque bomber,look at the life of Jesus and HIS teachings.

So,those 50,070people killed by the biblical god just for looking into a box were unbelievers?[1 Samuel 6:19].
Jephthah's daughter he roasted was an unbeliever?[Judges 11:34-39].
Uzza that was smote because he put his hand on the ark was an unbeliever?[2 Samuel 6:6-8].

I am not a Judaist. God translated me from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light and that is how i'm called a christian ! We are telling you that becos of the grace of God bein made available to us through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross of Calvary,God will not kill any defiant this day ! HE will not kill you muslims for disobeying HIS word becos of HIS son Jesus !

So,the Jews were in darkness before the coming of christ? Isaac,Joshua etc were in darkness?
God transformed to Jesus and was crucified,died for 3days and 3nights,who was the god in heaven for this period?

God killed most of you muslims in the past who worshiped idol claiming it's God you worship just becos of the grace of God through HIS son Jesus wasn't around then! But HE isn't doing that anymore. YOU KNOW WHY ? JESUS'blood ! HE is waiting for you to repent !

The demands of the biblical god is even close or more than that of an idol.
Exodus 29:38-42 (TNIV) -This is what you are to offer on the altar regularly each day: two lambs a year old.Offer one in the morning and the other at twilight.With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with a quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives,and a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering.Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning--a pleasing aroma,a food offering presented to the LORD. For the generations to come this burnt offering is to be made regularly at the entrance to the tent of meeting before the LORD There I will meet you and speak to you.Is this a befitting character of the true God?
Sharing burnt sacrifices with people.
Deuteronomy 12:26-27 (TNIV) -But take your consecrated things and whatever you have vowed to give, and go to the place the LORD will choose.Present your burnt offerings on the altar of the LORD your God, both the meat and the blood.The blood of your sacrifices must be poured beside the altar of the LORD your God,but you may eat the meat..
So it's 50:50,they owns the meat and he owns the blood.Is this not an attribute of an idol?

m.k.o2005:
No one is saying or asking if Boko Harams are muslims or not ! They are muslims to the teeth ! They are only living the words in ur quran !

Boko Harams are just ignorant as you are.They aren't following Islam,killing innocent souls is forbidden in Islam.Who are the crusaders following? The biblical god footsteps I guess.

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV) -And he smote the men of Bethshemesh,because they had looked into the ark of the LORD,even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men:and the people lamented,because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

We do not need apocryphal books or even the canonical books to puncture the statements in the quran,they are there for themselves and to be punctured by themselves.No further evidences is needed to do that at all.tbaba quoting books not in the bible and rejected long ago by Christ and early Christians to counter the crucifixion,authority and Sonship of our lord Jesus Christ is highly laughable !It's Just like the scientists putting up evidences that are not scriptural to counter the bible,claiming that there is no God and you expect me to start an argument with them ?

@Bold,was Christ alive when those apocryphal were written?

We need biblical evidences that Jesus isn't the son of God and that HE was not crucified.Your quran lied by claiming Jesus isn't the son of God and that HE wasn't crucified ! Did that make me change from following Christ even as i have bein hearing that before i became a Christian ?

Psalm 2:7 (KJV)-I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,Thou art my Son;this day have I begotten thee.[At the age of 40]

Exodus 4:22 (NIV)- Then say to Pharaoh, This is what the LORD says:Israel is my firstborn son.

Genesis 6:2 (NIV) -the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Jeremiah 31:9 (NIV)- ......because I am Israel's father,and Ephraim is my firstborn son.

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The theological Dictionary of the new statement states: I have begotten thee is probably no more than a stereotyped formular.[Kittel. G Theological Dictionary of the New Testament,op cit. Pg 668].
Sonship and fatherhood in the bible means the relationship between the servants and the Creator.

Did 'Jesus' fulfilled the sign of Jonah? Was Jonah dead or alive in the belly of the fish For 3days and 3nights?[Matthew 12:40]

Your mohamed and his gangs copied other apocryphal books and are leading you guys to the part of destruction today !Considering the fact that mohamed came 6 hundred yrs after Christ and tbaba from his findings just said that the apocryphal has been there since the second century or so,does that not tell you that mohamed copied from the apocryphal as stated by tbaba ? Check the meaning of apocryphal and revert convincing me the apocryphal is inspired by God ! Even mohamed told you that the bible (canonical books)is inspired by God !


God help us

They now copied the apocryphal and not the canonical books of the bible again? Confusion,@Bold,do you have proofs for it?.....Peace

tbaba1234: I just read through your write-up and i must confess that i am thoroughly disappointed.

You did not read any of the evidences brought forth and you kept repeating verses that have serious inherent flaws already proven.

Your target should be to debunk the flaws with scholarly evidence first before attempting to use it as evidence. It does not fly.

You also noticed that,I expected him to debunk the flaws you presented one by one and clear it up.

Nairatalks: Yes, gambling games like poker, cards and dice are haram because their mainly due to chance before numbers

However, chess is not a gameof chance. It is a game of strategy.



Chess is not haram

Sahih Muslim Book 028,Number 5612: Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said:He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.

m.k.o2005:
See frosbel,no one is saying the muslim god is same as the Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth who's son is Jesus ! The fact has already been established that the muslim religion/.alah is not same as the God of the Christians but i don't know why dey always want to claim that we serve same God !

Exodus 31:17 (NIV)- It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth,and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.

Exodus 31:17 (KJV) -It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.

The Creator resting and was refreshed[With Viju milk or what?]Is this not human attribute? Does this befits the Creator? SubhanAllah.
Compare to Allah's statement in Surah Qaf 50:38- And indeed We created the heavens and earth and all between them in six days and nothing of fatigue touched us

The question that was asked was if the Christian God and the muslim god is same ? Christians say NO !
But the muslims keep beating about the bush telling yes/no,but you know,you see and if to say no be this one that one...blablablable !
Abeg i don tire !

God help us

Surah Al-Imran 3:64- Say:O people of the scriptures(Jews and Christians)! Come to a word that is just between us and you,that we worship none but Allah(Alone) and that we associate partners with Him and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah.Then if they turn away,say:Bear witness that we are muslims.
Salam alaikum.....Peace

SPORT AND FUN IN ISLAM:
Sports and fun according to Islam are not an end in themselves but fractional means to the essence of our lives, which is Ibadah. This is why some acts of ibadah (worship) such as salat;hajj;dawah and jihad carry in them some elements and sporting characteristics.
Sports,games,race and fun are not the essence of life,they are mere entertainment and very transient like their effects of pleasure,therefore must not dictate over other activities of our lives,especially worship in Islam.
There must always be check and balances in one’s living.A life full of fun and games is futile.
Allah reminds us of our purpose of existence on earth in Surah Ad-Dhariyat 51:56- I have not created the Jinn and Mankind for no other purpose except that they should worship Me

This is the fact,and if we think otherwise, we are further informed in Surah Al-Anbiyaa 21:16-17- We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them for mere play.

Sport does not count before Him,but genuine faith and worship of Him found in Islam that has value.

WHAT IS FORBIDDEN IN FUN AND GAMES:
There are good and bad sports/games in the light of Islamic truth even though it may not appeal to us or those who make them professions.
The prophet(pbuh) prohibits dice,chess and the likes such as backgammon and card games.Likewise there are bad or sinful ways some games are played.
Any game that reveals the body parts counted as naked by Islam in both men and women is not lawful.Salat should not be delayed by any game as even wars fought by Muslims did not deny them salat,and such must not include any falsehood, obscenity,swearing or insulting,it should be free of alcohol and drug abuse and must avoid betting,gambling,staking.

It should not be for fun only without application to social life or jihad fiisabilillah. And the sport or game or fun itself,must not be allowed to dominate or occupy one’s life to the extent of stifling worship,academic pursuit,professional practice,moral development,family responsibility and spiritual growth.


Contemplation of Allah’s sign is far better than any kind of fun. All games and fun are unpredictable, there is always degree of uncertainty about the winner or result, whereas not so the path and act of essence of life.Therefore,one should not allow certitude to be overridden or defeated by probability,and in fact it cannot!

Rexyl: You are on board. You are just starting reading the BIBLE but you have a long way to go cos HOLY SPIRIT has not been invited to interpret things that are obscure to you. You should know reason we are human beings to add and weigh things in order to locate the centre of balancing. At such location all burdens are properly tackled: be it physical, spiritual and mental. The Bible reveals that knowledge is for the rise and falling it is when truth is discovered that there will be confidence and stability. Read YOUR Bible all thru you will know it lays emphasis on certain things: the way to God and His salvation.

I don't like people beating around the bush,you are filled with the holy spirit you should be able to explain to us.

Emusan: By who?
Remember is the God's own word, don't quote God's word only without attending to the question,by who?

Do I look like the bible writers?

Yet you acused Christian God committed those atrocity list by you and supported by your brethens, why can't you say 'OUR GOD'.

I know why you conclude this way because you are coming again to claim that Bible support the coming of Muhammad....very confuse of you and you should be ashamed of your previous post with this of one.

Oops,does those attributes befits the majesty of the Creator of heavens and earth and all that's in between? What I am stressing is that the attributes of the Creator should be unique and not shared.We still see the fingerprints of Allah in the bible,His attributes are distinctive.
Malachi 3:6 (NIV)- I the LORD do not change.

Isaiah 66:1 (NIV) -This is what the LORD says:Heaven is my throne,and the earth is my footstool.Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?

Isaiah 43:11 (NIV)- I,even I am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

Deuteronomy 6:4(NIV)- Hear,o mean of Israel your lord our God is one God.
Does the above attributes make sense to you? It's the same bible that says God lives in Zion[Joel 3:17] and used to wander about[1 Chronicles 17:5-6],but Isaiah 66:1 says NO.It's the same bible that says nobody has see God at any time[1 John 4;12],yet the bible also says God was seen by the children of Israel[Exodus 34:6-7,Exodus 24:9-11].
It's the christian belief that God was transforming but Malachi 3:6 says NO.

So,how do we separate the chaff from the grains? How we give the Creator His proper attributes? We can only do this in the light of the Quran and logical reasoning.The Quran is a Muhaiminan- that testifies the truth that is therein and falsifies the falsehood......Peace

Emusan: Your own is what? Op asked a simple question but all what you do is ranting unnecessarily. Is Christian and Muslim serving the same God very simple question? Why are you perambulating like Jay Jay Okocha?

Lolz,and my answer is very simple,some attributes given to God in the bible are very absurd to the Creator.We are worshipping the same God only if christians don't believe in the godhead and trinity.

True Christ been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel[Matthew 15:24]so were his disciples[Matthew 10:5-6].But apostle Paul claimed he is an apostle of the gentile[Non Jews,samaritans etc].
Romans 11:13 (NIV)- I am talking to you Gentiles.In as much as I am the apostle to the Gentiles,I make much of my ministry.

lincolnj88: Go to wikislam.org and u will find all u need to know about d quran and hadith and u can tell dat allah is nothing short of an amunit arabic cult god.....and also it was a bishop of d amunit cult dat called mohammed a prophet after his mother took mohammed to him explaing d visitation of the evil spirit he claimed was an angel..........one baboon said mohammed perfected dier religion islam for them, can u really boldly paste out the characters and lifestyle of mohammed and compare it to dat of jesus........and u keep saying d quran is d word of God ,how comes common scientist was able to proove all science in d quran wrong exceept dat of all human beings came from one parents which was adam and eve(it was copied frm torah and d bible). So God can make mistakes which can be corrected by common man..........u said mohammed is d greatest of all prophet ,den y is he not d one to judge d earth y isa (jesus)...........a new born babe can tell u dat islam is a religon of confusion and war ....and we av millions of infalliable proof seen by everyone............ok anoda idiot here says dat d bible supported drinking, d bible is against drinking if u are learned at all.

Your ignorance is very pathetic,I am not here to reply a goon.Some absurd attributes were given to the Creator in your bible and you can't prove it wrong.The Creator's attributes must be unique,there's now comparable to him.

lincolnj88: One said d earth is flat and d bible said its spherical(round) ... D quran said d sun rises from mukky water..d bible confirmed east....d quran knows nothing abt rotation but jesus confirmed it.......one says kill infidels but jesus said luv ur enemie.......one said heaven is made of virgins d bible contradicts it......d quran authorized jihad (war) d bible authorise war against principalities and powers..........d quran knows nothing abt science but d bible confirmed scientific approach and d same time defiled it showing dat nothing is difficult for God........5 bible confirms d missing day in a year in joshua chapter 8 d sun stood still for 23hrs 20 mins and Ikings ( isaiah d prophet reverse d earth by 10 degrees.........summarized it ... Gen 1 vs 1 .in the begining (time) God created (power) the heaven (space) and the earth (matter)..and the spirit of the lord moves(motion) upon the surface of the earth......words in brackets took scientist 2450 yrs to discover that the basic things in science are time,power,space,matter,motion.

You are very very ignorant,it's easy to write things without backings.

lincolnj88: u need to read the Bible again oh. because no sain person argues with a goat.......Jesus continues to manifest his works till today and no soothsayer neither mohamed was able to flush out d doctrine despite their effort.....wat u need to do is to go to wikiislam.org and proove dem wrong about full analysis of the quran and hadith.....and dose verses u quouted frm d scripture answerd ur questions if u could read d whole chapter and not ignorantly and foolishly quoted one single verses and jump up with an immaterial conclusion

This is one thing I hate in my life.I quoted some verses,you just need to prove me wrong that those verses aren't there and I will withdraw,very simple.Why should I visit a site that malign Islam when I have the Quran and hadiths with me?

udatso: may Allah reward you for your wonderful post...one of my best decisions her is following you in this forum...i have learnt alot from you...i just love your replies on comparative religion. May Allah increase you in knowledge and grant you jannatal firdaus

Ameen,thumma ameen and you too my brother.May Allah always guide your ways.

lincolnj88: u see u dnt know wat u are saying ........ U dnt know anything abt d bible neither d quran(evil book of d ammunit god)....can u debate d characters of the fouder of both religion...

Lolz,I am just a student of comparative religion.You should just prove me wrong that those attributes aren't in the bible and I will withdraw,very easy.
Paul is the founder of christianity,what should I debate about paul's life? His lies?
Islam is the religion with Allah since time immemorial.Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)isn't the founder of Islam,he's the last and final messenger of Allah(swt) and the perfector of Allah's religion.
Allah says in Surah Al-Imran 3:19- the religion with Allah(the creator) is Islam.
Surah Al-Imran 3:85- And if anyone seeks any other religion than Al-Islam[Peace acquired by submiting one's will to the Creator],it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter,he will be among the losers..
Only Allah gives guidance.....Peace

Chibuebem: i actually meant acts 1:15-26.

Acts 1:15-26 (NIV) -In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty)and said,"Brothers,the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas,who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus-- he was one of our number and shared in this ministry.
(With the reward he got for his wickedness,Judas bought a field;there he fell headlong,his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this,so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) For,said Peter,it is written in the book of Psalms, May his place be deserted;let there be no one to dwell in it,and,May another take his place of leadership.Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias.Then they prayed,Lord,you know everyone's heart.Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias;so he was added to the eleven apostles.

This has nothing to do with the op.you just exposed another contradiction in your book.@ blue font,Acts 1:18 says Judas bought a land with the sliver he collected and fell headlong and his intestines spilled out but we read a different thing concerning the same Judas death in
Matthew 27:5 (NIV)- So Judas threw the money into the temple and left.Then he went away and hanged himself.
Which one should we believe? If you don't know about your scriptures,don't bother to quote.

And Jesus took on flesh. Thats what we believe.

Does it makes any sense to you? Does Bill Gates need to transform and pack himself into a computer before he can know what's bad for the computer? Imagine,a father becoming his son,yet the father still remain the father and offer his life for his brothers[His creatures],crying on Myself,myself why have I forsaken myself?
Does it makes sense to you?
Only Allah gives guidance.....Peace

ckkris: What for? Na by force?

None of your brothers can prove me wrong.How long do you wanna defend falsehood? Allah says in Surah Al-Isra 17:81- When truth is hurled against falsehood,falsehood perishes for falsehood by nature is bound to perish.Only Allah gives guidance.....Peace