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Christianity Etc › Re: Shiites Give A Drawing Of Jesus To Christians In Bauchi To Promote Peace by lastpage: 9:53pm On Feb 01, 2017
malware:
Now that their leader is in detention, they're looking everywhere, left, right and centre for allies. Desperation can lead to anything sha.
Forging "friendship and peace" is all that Christianity is about.
If that is what it takes to make them want to forge peace and alliances, then what is wrong with that?

what manner of person are you sef?




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Christianity Etc › Re: Shiites Give A Drawing Of Jesus To Christians In Bauchi To Promote Peace by lastpage: 9:49pm On Feb 01, 2017
cirmuell:
Nice gesture. smiley

Hell no! May ewerybody dey im lane abeg angry
Chill Bro!

I am a Christian but let us reason together like grown-ups.

Let us ASSUME that the Shiites were bad before now (emphasis on "assumption"wink.
Let us assume they have done bad things against Christians in the past.

But right now, they have decided to turn a new leaf, seek peace with all men and tow the path of peace.
(Mind you, l am not saying they are Evil, this is only an assumption so l can make my point).

Question is: What is wrong in one correcting one's past mistakes and seeking to make peace with a former "enemy"?
Is that not what we Christians preach?
Is that not what Christ taught us (to strive to do good to others)
What is wrong if they show us love.... and we in-turn, show them love?

Is it not commendable that they are "making the effort" to promote peaceful co-existence?
Should we not encourage them, lead them and make a good example for them to follow so that they are even more inspired to understand that "We do not hate them".... but we are for peace?

Christianity is NOT BY WORDS OF MOUTH, it is BY ACTION AND DEEDS.
The Bible asked us (Christians) to "Let your light so shine so much that men will wonder and ask: Which God do you serve" (so they may also serve).

The meaning of this is that we must lead by GOOD EXAMPLE and be an INSPIRATION to others.


Irrespective of what is going-on between the Shias and the Sunni people in Govt right now (I hope we all realise that "all Nigerians" in general, are not the one having an issue with Shias, the problem is between them and "those in power"wink we Nigerians wil welcome anyone who sues for PEACE, with open hands.

The Shias have done it and l commend them wholeheartedly.
The Sunnis, if they also want Peace, should do same and extend a hand of friendship.

We Christians should also reciprocate by opening-up dialogue routes with them, explain further to them that we do not wish to disturb them in the "free practice" of their belief/religion and they in turn must show respect to Christians in the practice of our belief/religion.


Religion is of the heart, in the heart and is between you and your God.
God (whichever one you believe) is too big and powerful to require a mere man, who cannot even create an ant, to fight on his behalf.


If you think anyone has insulted your God, then be sure that "god" is watching him and would punish him at the right time of His choosing.
Dont be overzealous and extremist by killing others, claiming you are avenging for God.
God does not require it and He does not want you to do such.

Thank you Shia Muslims, show Nigerians that you are not what you are being portrayed as.
Let you love so-shine...
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Christianity Etc › Re: Shiites Give A Drawing Of Jesus To Christians In Bauchi To Promote Peace by lastpage: 9:27pm On Feb 01, 2017
WHOcarex:
Make una check inside o. Bomb fit dey inside undecided
You should be ashamed of yourself, if this is all you can post!



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Health › Re: Man Removes Clothes, Runs Unclad In Utako, Abuja by lastpage: 10:27pm On Jan 31, 2017
Everywhere, some people are trying to scare others by going unclad!

Whoever wants to be mad should just go mad.......... Stop blaming the Dollar please.
angry angry




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Politics › Re: Okorocha Flaunts New APC Membership Card (Photos) by lastpage: 10:20pm On Jan 31, 2017
amnesty7:
The Conqueror-General of Igboland. May your days be long!
The only smart Yiibo alive......... all others died a long time ago! grin grin grin

But there are still IPOD Yoots all over the place! shocked shocked shocked

.... and "Dilector" Nnamdi Kanu is still languishing in Kudje Prison!
shocked shocked




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Christianity Etc › Re: Burning Shrines, Eating Bibles, Killing Christians And Other Issues - Opinion by lastpage: 10:16pm On Jan 31, 2017
lovat:
i am mad
You and yours wasted your vote by voting the clueless one............ now you are being a real Eediot, for asking for change!

Did you even pay a kobo?
huh huh



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Politics › Re: Adegboruwa Drags Buhari,Others To Court Over Non Confirmation Of Onnoghen As CJN by lastpage: 10:05pm On Jan 31, 2017
PHIPEX:
If pastor Osinbajo can not defend the interests of Christians and southerners in this govt then he should resign. We can as well have a Northern president and a Fulani VP since we are not better off right now.

Buhari has submitted the name of Magu twice for confirmation even with all the corruption allegation, what's he waiting for in this man's case?
It is not only Christians that voted for Osinbajo and Buhari. Muslims also voted.
The point l am making is that Osinbajo was not voted-in to look after Christian interest but to look after the interest of ALL Nigerians.

And to think that a lot of Christians from the East making noise now, did not even vote for the Buhari-Osinbajo ticket (APC)! shocked shocked angry

Having said that, l think the President, though cannot be forced to forward Onoghen's name for conformation, should openly inform Nigerians on why he is lukewarm in forwarding his name..... so as to avoid unnecessary speculations




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Politics › Re: Adegboruwa Drags Buhari,Others To Court Over Non Confirmation Of Onnoghen As CJN by lastpage: 9:58pm On Jan 31, 2017
Built2last:
Mark my words and book mark it.

Two people that will not see 2018 in government are the Acting CJN . And Emefiele.

The north can't risk having a southerner head the Judiciary ahead of 2019.

Emefiele seats on the vault to fund 2019. He must be removed.

I stand to be corrected with time.
You all know that Godwin Emefiele, as the CBN Governor is the greatest mistake and gamble that Buhari took in 2016.

This Emefiele has made silly policies and reversed himself, causing instability in the system, God knows how many times.
95% of the instability n the financial sector that we all blame on Buhari, is caused by this misfit called Emefiele.

Infact, everyone is wondering how he still kept that portfolio..... despite his level of crass management of our fiscal and monetary policies.
One is forced to wonder whether he is "intentionally" causing problems for this Buhari Govt or he is just completely inept.
I think it is both
. undecided

That Emefiele should have been booted out since early 2016 but l think the constitution guarantees a minimum term of 4yrs for each CBN Governor and that is the reason we are still saddled with Emefiele.
It has nothing to do with 2019 so dont play on our intelliegence




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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 9:08pm On Jan 31, 2017
Empiree:
Are you a journalist or trying to be one?. You certainly know how to write epistles grin grin . My view is in harmony with both sides actually cheesy
Thank you!

I have always loved writing since l was a young boy and l read widely. maybe it s agift but as it is often said, "You cant give what you dont have", ..........the corollary being that "You can only regurgitate as much as you have in you"! grin grin

Though, the idea is to communicate effectively with the reader so they understand succinctly, what l am passing across.

I wont sound my own gong so l will just stop here.




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Politics › Re: "See The Men Who Imported The Pump Action Rifles Found In A Container In Lagos". by lastpage:
neoapocalypse:
Two northerners and one easterner , I don't see any westerner there
Pictured are the suspects; Mr Oscan Okafor (an importer), Mr Mahmud Haruna (a clearing agent), Mr Sadique Mustapha (accompanying the consignment to its destination).
The Northerners are mere transporters, to move it to the destination from the Wharf.

The real Criminal who imported the Guns is Mr. OKAFOR!

I guess you already know where he hails from!
grin grin undecided undecided



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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 4:16pm On Jan 31, 2017
abbatoir:
.Well... a good degree of intelligence.
Thank you.

What is your own take on the matter?



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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 4:13pm On Jan 31, 2017
Demainman1:
Well said @Spyder, making your point without writing a whole A3 paper garnished with colour crayon like people like Lastpage do.

Thank you jaré.
We have advised you not to get insulting, so we can keep the discussion MATURED!
At least you should have learnt from what Spyder wrote in the first paragraph of his post

I just laugh at people like you who are quick to point at how long someone wrote.... when the fact remains that to do so is likely a big challenge for them!
Spyder responded to what l wrote.... civilly! You can do the same if it is in you.

Please let us keep it cordial as it is just an "aside discussion" so we dont want insults to turn it into another thing.

If you want to abuse me, come over to the politics section.
Over there, it is "blow-for-blow", real rofo-rofo fight!
Am sure you cant even survive there! grin grin

Thank you for doing it the right way.



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BTW: Life is a choice and you should not allow @Lastpage's choice, to define who you are or who you can be.
It reeks of "complex"!
Carve your own niche, so'gbo? huh
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 4:02pm On Jan 31, 2017
kopell:
Mr lastpage. I believe you have educate some of them enough. Mr A lay his argument the way he saw it, Mr B doesn't make any since in his argument or mind up his mind. Its could be ignorance of knowledge. very simple question I need to ask, if one loss 80% of his income, with commitment of 150% of his income. will he still be spending as if he as 180% income? with noting in savings.
I cant ask it better!

But at times, we all take different "time lapse" to see the "Big Picture"..... for different reasons.
No one knows it all.

Thank you Sir!



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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 3:59pm On Jan 31, 2017
FastShipping:
Well, there was opportunity to borrow form World Bank when he first came and he totally rejected it forming macho man. He did have good will when he first came in and this was around June 2015. The rest is now history.
Sir, a Govt cannot just take "any money" thrown at it, just because it is broke!
These loans ALWAYS come with certain CONDITIONS!

The question is whether you are ready to accept and live with such conditions.

Let me recall that in 1985, l was an Undergraduate at the University and Ibrahim Babangida was the President and had just taken the IMF loan.
By then the Naira was 75K to a Dollar, just before then, every Teacher could get a loan to buy a car (My Mums Volkswagen was #1,200).
Power was stable and petrol cost either 7K/litre (not sure exact amount right now).
Nigeria had a National carrier (Nigeria Airways) and we had a National Shipping Line (NNSL).
Nigeria had a few working Refineries and Steel Companies like Aladja, Itakpe, e.t.c
Almost every Graduate would get a job and the brilliant ones like one of my Brothers, had two jobs waiting, each with a brand new Peugoet 504 to boot!
In summary, Life was easy-peasy fir Nigerians though the Politicians that these same Buhari came to chase away, were squandering our wealth so much so that one of them said Nigeria was so rich and our problem was "how to spend the money".

Then IBB took the IMF loan and the "conditionalities" completely destroyed Nigeria's economy.
They asked us to "liberalise everything", open our doors to imports, stop protecting our industries, e.t.c.
These were the conditions that IBB accepted, for him to be given the loan.
It was these "conditions" that destroyed Nigeria's economy and everything was NEVER THE SAME, from then on.
We are still paying the price for accepting tht loan, till today!


So, if you see a lender running after you (like a bank!) telling oyu it has money to borrow you, please "read and study the contions attached properly" otherwise you might be signing-away your freedom for forever.
Some have even committed suicide, based on the conditions of the loan/mortgage they accepted (at individual level).

Yes, Nigeria committed suicide, by accepting that loan (with conditions).......and the country died!

Buhari, having been removed by IBB and placed under arrest, watched an economy he and Idiagbon were starting to gradually rebuild, destroyed by one greedy, gap-tooted Evil genius!

So, you should understand why Buhari hated the IMF like leprosy...and with good reason.
I will enjoin you to google some countries that received the IMF loan and see what happened to ALL of them.
Not a single one of them recovered rather, they all died!


Infact, if you can lay your hand on a book titled "How Europe under-developed Africa".... you should read it and it explains how our "masters" used such Brenton-Woods institutions like the IMF, World Bank, to "deliberately arrest our development"... with the connivnace of our foolish leaders who are often promised juicy returns to ruin their own country!

Ofocurse, the stubborn one like Jonas Savimbi of Angola, gets murdered by the CIA! (Ok, you will say that is conspiracy theory but a few members of the IMF have owned up after retirement.)

So Sir, he was not forming "macho", he was taking the best interest of the country into account, using his vast previous experience!
Experience is priceless.



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***Just imagine for a moment, what the value of the Naira would be if we accepted the loan at a point when the price of crude also nosedived for about 80%?
Zimbawean Dollars would not even exchange for the Naira, IMO. grin grin
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 3:29pm On Jan 31, 2017
spyder880:
On the contrary, I think we can discuss economy on this thread when it concerns price of building materials. Maybe we should not mention the name of the president or apportion blames but without discussing economic policies and effects, we can never plan effectively or have a good strategy to survive with our plans to build good quality homes at reasonable prices.

The only thing we need to check is our tone of language and our emotions.
Thank you for emphasising this Sir. I strongly concur.


spyder880:
Having said that, I think this government has totally lost control of the economy. Its not in their hands anymore and that is why everything has gone haywire, I will not blame the Nigerian seller for "greed or wickedness" as suggested by some of us here. The sellers are just pawns in the game, and if they fail to raise their costs substantially, they will be wiped off sooner than they think. And the problem will even get worse, as more sellers and labourers get unemployed, armed robbery, pros.titution and criminal activities will rise to an all time high
Sir, Permit me to respond to the bolded by asking: IN WHOSE HANDS IS IT RIGHT NOW, if we agree with your assertion that it is no longer in the Government/Buhari's hands?
My position on the same question is that "It is in the hands of we Nigerians.
We can ease our buirden on ourselves or we can continue to do "all man for himself" and choke ourselves to death
undecided undecided

spyder880:
The dealers in building materials don't manufacture them, they buy from manufacturers,
The manufacturers don't make the raw materials, they import them,
The importers don't print dollars, they buy them,
And when the dollars are scarce, demand and supply law will raise the cost, and this will set off a chain reaction which will ensure that the rise will cascade down to the last man on the ground, me and you, the consumers. Then, finally, the tenants will have to cough out more naira to rent these houses as nobody is a Father Christmas.
Sir, l am happy that you have narrowed it down to SCARCITY OF DOLLARS, (especially with regards to products whose origin is foreign and has to be imported)
The above represents a detailed ANALYSIS of THE PROBLEM.... but what about CAUSE of the problem.... and what about the SOLUTION to the problem?

To avoid repetition, l will "summarise" what l proposed was THE CAUSE of the Problem, in my earlier post.

1.) Nigeria is a Mono-Economy: An economy which is heavily dependent on ONE SOURCE of foreign exchange (Dollar) receipt, which is Crude Oil.
2.) The above means that we have neglected other 'possible source' of forex/Dollars, over the years
3.) We are a heavily IMPORT DEPENDENT ECONOMY: This means that even if we are able to earn enough forex (by some magic), we are quickly depleting it as we buy/import almost everything from abroad
4.) The Only Product that we sell in order to receive forex (Dollars that are scarce) being crude Oil, has lost 80% of its value when the Govt took power. The implication is that Nigeria has lost 80% of whatever Dollars it used to have.
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL SOURCE OF THE SCARCITY YOU ALLUDE TO.
Thus we cannot blame the Govt of Nigeria (led by Buhari) for this drop in price of Crude Oil because it is an "international phenomena" affecting many other Oil producing countries. The only difference is that countries like Quatar, Saudi Arabia, who are also in the same position as we are, have "WISELY" INVESTED their previous incomes (Forex/Dollars) in areas like Housing, Refineries, Roads, Health, Agriculture...... while our Own previous Governments LOOTED AND STOLE OUR OWN DOLLARS!
The Govts in question was not led by Buhari but by the likes of OBJ but specifically cancerous under Goodluck Jonathan!

5.) In addition to the above, despite the deep slump in Crude oil price (and our receipts), the little we export also got seriously cut due to the sabotaging efforts of fellow Nigerians from the Creeks who (rightly or wrongly, l wont go into that argument here) bombed and destroy Nigeria's oil flow stations... under Buhari's Govt. Thus, a Dollar revenue that has been down for about 80% due to global Oil price crash, also went further down because we could not meet up with our allocated export Quota! So, we the Govt was working under a sort of 15-18% Dollar/Forex receipts, for the first one year and few Months of its being in power.

This is the REASON for the Scarce Dollars you mention, that caused the price to rise as demand remains unabated, leading to the Manufacturer buying Dollar at a high price, passing it down to the distributor and trickle down to the final seller and then the "end-user of the product.

- How is the above scenario, caused by this Govt of Buhari?
- Did he crash the price of Crude Oil?
- Did he squander the forex we accumulated/reciept when the value of Oil price was high (he was not even the President then)
- Was he responsible for not investing wisely (like other countries did), the huge receipts of Dollars we had in the "good days"?
- Is he responsible for our penchant for imported products, even for goods that can be produced locally"
- Was he the one bombing and destroying oil flow stations all over the place?


The answer to these 'posers' is why l say we Nigerians are not honest with ourselves.


The second part of this discussion has to do with "goods"t that have very "low dollar input"......... yet the price keeps galloping at the same rate as the rise in Dollar exchange rate.
While it is easy to say everyone is responding to the "market forces" as Exchange rate rise forces price-rise in dollar-dependent products, the reality is that most "sellers" are just into "profit-taking", which is an act of selfishness and Greed.

For example, look at the increasing rate of House rent:
Some houses were built in the 1970's, with very low maintenance as it was built on solid ground, yet the owners have kept increasing the rent on such house at the rate of '"prevailing rising prices", citing the Dollar rate!
Question is: What is the "direct relationship" between the exchange rate and the Rent of such house.... that it should go along hand-in-hand, if not sheer exploitation of one another?.
If Dollar rate was rising at 20% monthly, why should the Rent of such house be at par with it? Why not a 10% increase say over two years?

spyder880:
The government not only hasn't done enough, my fear is that they dont even have the capacity to solve the problem, I feel the economy is now on auto pilot, while the operators are watching and hoping for the best. Its a pity.
[b]Well, most people that say the above have not provided any "alternative solution that is workable and viable" to justify their position infact, most only 'identify' the problem (which is very easy to do), fail to give an in-depth analysis of the CAUSE of the problem and hence, are unable to proffer any workable solution.
*I personally think the Govt can do more than it has done, for example, l dont like Govt banning items that people need but we are unable to produce in large enough quantity because it puts pressure on supply and as a result, price rise astronomically.
*I dont like a situation where Govt thinks throwing more money at a problem (like in the Electricity and Petroleum supply Sectors where the "Cabals" are always asking for tariff increase, since l was a small boy, claiming if given such increase, supply will stabilise!) will solve the problem.

*I think Govt should be "more aggressive" in dealing with saboteurs in those sectors.

*I think Govt should be more decisive in dealing with those who "fake/adulterate" products, those who fail to deliver on paid projects like infrastructures, reduce the fat allowance of the National Assembly members or make it a part-time job such that only a "honorarium" is paid each time there is a "House Sitting" and this should not be more than thrice in a month. That way, only serious and intelligent people will want to be "House members"..... as against now that every crook will murder their mother, just to become a Senator! [/b]

Having said that, l will score the Govt a pass mark on Agriculture, Security, diversification, nti-corruption, e.t.c though l am also aware that some of these issues take longer than one or two years to really bring out their full benefit.
Thus, l completely disagree that the Govt does not have the capacity to solve the problem or not solving it ..... l just think that we Nigerians are a very difficult lot to govern, as some of us are outright saboteurs, some are profit-takers irrespective of whether the country's moral fibre is ruined or not and problems created over a long time, dont take a year to solve!

There is no Silver-bullet to Nigeria's problem except if we INCREASE EXPORT so as to EARN more Forex ,via Agriculture, Manufacturing, Mining, while REDUCING IMPORT through local production so as to spend less of our forex reserve and shore-up the value of our own currency (Naira) but the above can only happen under two conditions
1.) Stable Power supply (2) Functioning Iron and Steel industry to power the industrial revolution that Nigeria needs.
These two things take an average of five years detailed and continuous planning, investment and development,, to show the first signs/result that one can point to.


This is where we are, this is who we are!



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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 1:07am On Jan 31, 2017
FastShipping:
Let me respond to the first 2-3 paragraphs of yours by asking you a question: did you miss the part where I said Buhari should have borrowed massively from inception of his presidency to cushion the effect of the recession? Borrowing isn't as bad as some of you think as long as we know what are are doing. You can now go back and read my points again.

I won't discuss politics or economy again on this thread.
I read that part but my response was that "he cant do that because the borrowing needs approval by a yet to be constituted National Assembly and even at that, he is at the mercy of a very corrupt NASS who sees everything as a bargaining chip (not as what is good for Nigeria).
You saw what happened with the $30billion Chinese loan, at the NASS?
That is Nigeria for you.



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I edited some parts to conform with the way we are discussing issues
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 12:56am On Jan 31, 2017
mank1234:
Very nice epistle. However, the premise that because garri has no foreign input therefore the price should remain unchanged is fallacious.
No, dont get me wrong!

What l said was that the "Rate of Change" in price of such product, should not be DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL" to the fluctuation in the Dollar exchange rate.

For example, we have seen situations where if the Dollar rises by #10 in the open market, from say 400 to 410, the price of Garri is jerked-up by an equivalent rate of #10.
Since Garri is not a direct product of importation, (there are mostly local factors associated with its production/manufacture), the hiking of the price using the Dollar as an excuse or reason, is just exploitation of a "free market" without any price controls, borne out of greed and our general penchant to "cash-in" on at any slight opportunity.

The above is not the same with your sentence l quoted above.
Emphasis being on the "rate" of price hike.



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Editted: I agree with some of your latter points that "There are things that could still be done, that have not been done - resettling IDPs, local content of refining and manufacturing, etc).
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 12:49am On Jan 31, 2017
Demainman1:
Complete nonsense. Can you predict the value of naira to dollar next week? Why won't people jack up their goods price in a volatile economy like ours?

What is buhari doing in London when he should be home trying to fix Nigeria?

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to defend the indefensible.

Talking about akamu and akara sellers, why won't they jack up their own prices if their landlord increase their house rent? What about the transportation cost? So that no dey affect akamu seller ehn.

Anyway, no more politics for property section. I'm out.
First, you need to show some decorum in your response.... and get control over your emotions, since this is not the Politics section.
When you do, l may dignify you with a response.

Thank you.



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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage:
FastShipping:
This is property section and not let us discuss politics and economy here. But let me make few points and move on.

Buhari's economic policies have stagnated and grounded everything to a halt. He did not cause the recession but he made it worse. He came in and for six months he didn't appoint finance minister who suppose to oversee and manage the economy. When you are in a recession, you don't mop up money from circulation. When you are in recession, you don't stifle the cash flow or make it hard for people to access loan. It is glaring for sound minds to know that all we need at this time is economic stimulus package in form of capital projects and small business loan. What was Buhari doing between March 28 - May 29, 2015? Buhari should have gone into borrowing immediately he assumed office.
Massive loan from World bank and any other source available within few months into his administration. Deficit are not as bad as many people think as long as you manage it well. Use the loan judiciously and invest the loan into building roads, bridges, schools, accessible loans for small businesses, massive housing etc. All these projects would have injected money into the system and 1-2 million jobs would have been created in the process. The stubborn man of a president is hell bent on doing it his own way and listen to no one. I read somewhere that funding of 2016 budget was not even up to 24% as at September, 2016. Ministry of Work and Power is not functioning as it should because Buhari wouldn't trust his minister to award contracts as his minister would have liked. Buhari's policy has been one capital project per region at a time. I don't know how that is going to help when we have development deficit. You cannot just think everybody is here to steal. You have to fully trust your ministers with money. All you have to do is oversight and monitoring. Buhari trusts no one. Everybody is here to steal except him.

Do you realize that we still import most of what we need in this country? Even some of the products that are being produced in Nigeria depend on raw materials from overseas. These companies have to source for foreign exchange to procure raw materials. I am not saying Buhari should be blamed for all of our woes but this man seems to only believe in his own idea. His ideas are paramount and we are in worse situation than we were on May 28, 2015.

Buhari's policies are not working. We do not need to bury our heads in the sand and say let's stay the course. I was one of his biggest supporters on nairaland but let's call a spade a spade. Jonathan didn't do well but Buhari hasn't been better.
It appears you are mixing "Mr Buhari, a person who is the President of Nigeria"....... and 'The Federal govt of Nigeria" with Buhari as President.

Both are not the same thing!

The economic stagnation was actually caused by our over dependence on a mono-product economy which runs on Crude Oil.
Unfortunately, the price of that mono-product CRASHED to less than 20% of its value (from $110 to $23 per barrel) when Mr. Buhari assumed leadership.
Loosing 80% of our forex income (fall in Oil price) means we dont have money to finance/pay-for our "over-dependence" on IMPORTS.
There is NOTHING he could have done, no magic he could have wand, to prevent the slide into poverty.

But being the lazy bums we are, we still want to continue like "all is well" and everyone who is a trader/importer was shouting Buhari is not releasing Dollar, like Buhari kept the Dollar under his bed! grin grin
In actual fact, there was No Dollar to use in buying our frivolous imports!
undecided

Yes, the best way to get out of recession is to "spend your way out" but anyone can say that because it is actually Economics 101.
What seasoned Economist would tell you is that "You cant spend money you dont have"! grin
So, if you are broke, (No more money from receipts and income due to the crash in our source of income), where is the money you will use to "spend yourself out of recession", .........come from? You see, its easier said than done! undecided

- You said he should have "gone borrowing immediately he assumed office!
This is very naive, to put it mildly!
No Sir, to borrow, Mr. President needs the APPROVAL of the National Assembly to approve such international borrowing.
On those dates you quoted, the NASS has not been constituted or at the very least will not have granted him any approval at such early stage of his administration.

Again, you just dont raise-up your hand and say "I need loan" and countries/bodies start bringing the money! grin
They will look at your economic road-map, so as to be sure they are either getting their money back or that you are spending the money on projects they can also gain from (Look at China: President made a trip to China, signed bilateral agreements and highlighted projects like rail and Roads that he wants to partner with China to do in Nigeria...... then he FINALLY asked China for a $30billion loan!
Which the NASS REFUSED to approve!
That is how it works..... in the real world!


- You said Buhari is one capital project per region and Budget was under-funded!
Do you even think these projects are free-funded.... or needs to be paid for?
Where is the money to pay for "many-project in many-regions simultaneously going to come from?
Do you not understand that a country is ran on MONEY (from exports, which Nigeria rarely does; from Receipts, which is down by 80%) and the money is just not there?
How do you fully fund your Budget when the money to do so is NOT AVAILABLE?
Does he go borrow to fund the budget also? Do you know the implication of this at all? Do oyu know how these loans affect the value of the National currency (we are not talking about an America that "manufactures its own currency and the rest of the world "buy" it nor are we talking of a China that "manufactures everything very cheaply" and sells it to everyone, including America!
We are talking about a Nigeria that manufactures nothing, exports nothing and imports everything.... at a time when its source of money has gone comatose!

- Let me also add that "when you "borrow externally", you are devaluing your currency".
Naira was already "self-devaluing" due to our dwindling Foreign Reserve (as a result of an over 80% decline in forex receipts, due to the fall in oil price!)

On the issue of trust:
This is one of the reason it took him time to find a finance Minister.
When you are faced with a Govt where people are callous enough to loot Money meant to prosecute a war, a war where your soldiers are being killed daily, a war where you are losing territory to terrorists..... yet those who are in-charge at the highest level of Govt think the best thing to do is to "share the money ala Dasuki-gate........... and you think there is no serious "trust deficit"?

I dont have to tell you that CORRUPTION is ingrained in our DNA and it is our greatest problem.
I dont have to tell you that if you put 10 Nigerians in a room, their greatest problem will be "How to trust each other".
How can "fantastically corrupt" people TRUST themselves? (We have Cameron for that statement because it is insulting but let us agree that there is a lot of truth in it)
Even YOU, have had very bitter experience about TRUST, on a small level, from the various people you entrust your project to! (I wont recant the tales here)
What l am saying is that Buhari was faced with a big problem of who he can trust, as to do the interest of the people, rather than serve their own pocket. Infact, if he was not "too trusting", he wont face some of the problems he is facing right now.

He trusted the CBN Governor to "mind the monetary policies" (I dont expect a retired Army General to be talking economics but l expect a trusted assistant like the CBN Governor to do it well.) ,,, but the guy was a somersault of a Governor.
Meanwhile, there is a law that prevents the Executive for sacking the CBN Governor willy-nilly. That was why Sanusi could get away with many things under Jonathan.
Same thing with the NNPC Director cum Oil Minister. These two personalities where the ones who produced most of the uncertainties in the system but we are quick to blame Buhari, either out of ignorance or outright mischief!

Let me add that l am just sorry that we Nigerians did not have to "experience the alternative" if for example Jonathan had continued in government or another looter was elected and it was "business as usual".
Most of us here have built a house in the last one-two years or still building, despite the very high inflation rate but l wish we were faced with the alternative like in Zimbabwe (when their currency was completely worthless and no one would accept it) or with a Somalia situation when the country became a failed state and it was "all man for himself".
I said "sorry" because we seems not to appreciate that God had just saved us from a major disaster which some of us might not have lived through! You can only build form Diaspora or locally, when there is a country.

*Buhari has and is gradually revitalising Agriculture through massive incentives (Never seen so many young people diverting to farming as of today!), loans in form of cash, farm inputs, e.t.c.
The results are beginning to show in areas like Rice Production (falling price from an all-time high that was caused by lack of Dollars to import as used to be the case). Tomato-scare has abated. The high price of food stuff we have as of today (when price should be gradually coming down) is as a result of sheer EXPLOITATION by hiking price (foodstuff sellers say they have to hike their own price too so as to compete with and justify the way other sellers hike their price! That is "the Nigerian" for you, irrespective of the "real cost" of the product/goods.).
With time, we will all see the benefits of this Govts Agric policies. Some Crops take a year just to mature!

*The Govt has been able to inject sanity and a bit of transparency into Governance.
You have Ministries now returning "unspent Budget", back into the National coffers (via TSA Account) whereas before now, You must finish any Unspent allocation/budget, by looting it!

*The Govt has shown 'balls' in tackling terrorism but for a big country like Nigeria, it is challenging.
Also, Terrorism does not disappear overnight, it is an ideology and can only be beaten down to a manageable level.
Even in America today, we still have pockets of terrorism but it is manageable.

*Gradually, the Govt is rehabilitating Roads that have been left undone for years (Lagos-Ibadan is one), at a pace we have not seen for decades.
*Our Armed Forces are begining to face what they are paid for: Protect the Nation's interest and we have seen their level of professionalism on the rise.
No more "Politicians-Armed Forces Officers". Discipline is being instigated in the Forces, equipment are being bought and deployed at a rate that has been alien in recent times.
* The Govt has systematically "dabbled-into and tackled corruption" in places that are "very dirty but hitherto, considered untouchable", like the Judiciary.
Now, we all have a feeling that if a Judge misbehaves or gets corrupted, (and they do so most times, in a very corrupt manner that nauseates the mind!), a common man can seek redress and the Judge can be punished. The 'idea' alone cannot be quantified in terms of what it means for the masses who dont have millions to swing a case the way they want

Let me stop here on what the Govt has done, as l am not their mouth-piece.

Finally, to say we are in a worse situation than we are in 2015, is reminiscent of thinking of a "single planar thought process" .... in terms of prices alone.

In the "Hierarchy of Pyramids", these sort of 'need' are said to be premordial and at the 'base-level' of human wants.


There are times when you dont have "cash" in your pocket but you are actually feeling very rich because of "what you have done with money".
Vice-versa, there are times when you can stuff a million in your Wallet and yet you know you are just living above the border-line!

Look at things from with a "long term perspective" - beyond how much things cost today - but at how much things will cost tomorrow (based on what the Govt is doing TODAY, that will have a bearing on TOMORROW"wink and How much it would have cost, if this Govt was not in-place.
Most of you have no clue at how bad our situation was, in 2015 and How miserable it would have gotten if we Nigerians have not made the "bold choice".
Most people who voted for Buhari dont really like him as a person but what they love about him is "What the country needs, at this trying times".

Infact, let us just thank God that we never experienced "How it would have been", if we did not change that Govt and vote a man that though "old-schooled, fragile and not overly exuberant", is a symbol of integrity for others to follow, commands the respect of the Armed Forces, have people that still believe in his long term vision .....and that he means and acts-well for this country.

How can we still compare Buhari's Govt to that of Jonathan, who presided over a Govt that earned the highest revenue on record, for five years, met the highest Foreign reserve on the kitty when taking over, yet left the highest debt profile, lowest foreign reserve and decayed infrastructures and a time-bomb of an economy, with the only earner for the country nose-diving and being sabotaged at every opportunity by militants ........... .


It is okay to just lament like the common (ignorant) man on the street because honestly prices are very high, but that is where it should end.


And that is why l said "except these comments were made hyperbolically"




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Politics › Re: "See The Men Who Imported The Pump Action Rifles Found In A Container In Lagos". by lastpage: 11:18pm On Jan 30, 2017
Shemkaz09:
Hmm...... Maybe he bought it to fight Boko haram #grin
Naah!

Mr. OKAFOR is from Biafra and those guns are destined for IPOB.... to be used on *****

Really, some crimes like these should attract outright beheading, as done in China.



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Education › Re: Imeime Umana Emerges 1st Black Woman To Serve As President Of Harvard Law Review by lastpage: 11:06pm On Jan 30, 2017
thesicilian:
waiting for the biafrans to come and claim her as usual.
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jiinxed:
Igbo girl. Why am I not surprised?
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Revelation1:
She is a Biafran.
UMANA is either from Cross Rivers or Akwa Ibom.

Stop claiming 'lubbish', you this IPOD Yoots!
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Crime › Re: Man Slaps Policeman Twice For Bashing His Lamborghini In Lagos (video, Pic) by lastpage: 10:59pm On Jan 30, 2017
illitrate:
In every country the lights red and blue are for police and ambulance only

Red and blue otherwise not police
Even Okada man uses Red and Blue in Nigeria! grin grin

Total Madness!



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Crime › Re: Man Slaps Policeman Twice For Bashing His Lamborghini In Lagos (video, Pic) by lastpage: 10:56pm On Jan 30, 2017
propzncribz:
Certainly senator or governor pikin lol
Not withstanding, "A slap" is still an ASSAULT....... a criminal offence punishable by law.

The Policeman can sue and use the Video as evidence.

Damaging your car requires REPAIR.... not assault of the other driver, Policeman or not.

We Nigerians need to learn how to show decorum and self-respect in Public.
What if the Policeman was drunk and decide to use his firearm on him?
Do we then say Police is NOT our friend?
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Politics › Re: ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG HANDED THEM OVER TO NAF by lastpage: 10:45pm On Jan 30, 2017
HopeAtHand:
What is your point? Cos the grouse of RVSG is the statement of NCS that the choppers were illegally imported by unknown individuals for clearly sinister purposes. Had the NCS not feigned ignorance of the real situation, the media release by Wikes office wouldn't have sufficed.

Now, RVSG has made the NCS look irresponsible.

This is a story we've followed for over 2yrs now when then Gov. Amaechi was complaining of the refusal of Customs Min. Of Finance to clear Rivers state helicopters that were brought in for surveillance and protection of pipelines. So this is the continuation and eventual closure of the matter.

Disabuse your mind and avoid unnecessary tangling of issues.
If you still can "decipher" my point, then you need to seek help!
My post was clear enough for those whose mind are open to knowledge.

BTW : The Grouse of Wike is that he can no longer lay ownership to the Choppers, cant retrieve them back (as in case of asking NAF to "clear and use it" on its behalf) as it has now been "legally siezed" and 'given' to NAF, by the Law Courts in tandem with the Customs Services.

That is called a forfeiture.

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Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 10:30pm On Jan 30, 2017
FastShipping:
I bought 16mm in January 2016 for N1900.

Buhari has destroyed Nigeria.
Demainman1:
I remember that a lot of folks here supported this wonderful change from buhari and his APC people cheesy cheesy
Thank God we are all enjoying the change today.

By the time they finish with us ehn even to buy one block will be wahala.
Haaaa! make we fear God o... except these comments were made hyperbolically. shocked shocked

I know it is Buhari that is selling all these stuff and hiking the price on a daily basis even when some of these items had been in-store for weeks!
I met a seller recently and he told me point-blank that if l dont buy now, he would (and others in their line) simply create an artificial scarcity by "locking-up" the items in the shop and release it after two weeks!...by then, we would have doubled the price and you have no choice than to buy it!
I asked him if that sort of sharp-practice was ordered by Buhari since we all love to blame the 73yr old man for everything imaginable, including our unparalleled penchant for "self exploitation and unbridled GREED".

We are quick to attach everything to the Dollar, like everything is imported!
Even the Garri seller is quick to adduce "Dollar don rise" to greedy doubling of the price of Garri, ditto Tomato seller, Palm oil seller, Cooked Beans seller is not left out.

I know we Nigerians hate the truth with some bitterness.
But the Truth is that we are a greedy people, very exploitative (that is why our own price-demand curve never obeys simple laws of Economics vis-a-vis DD Vs. SS.
We are wicked to each other and would eat one another, given the chance.
Let us keep blaming Buhari instead of telling ourselves the Home Truth: STOP THESE SELF-EXPLOITATION OF ONE ANOTHER.

Buhari is just one man, honest and working too hard for his old age, to change the wicked and greedy mentality of 180 Million shysters!
He will/can fail but his failure will be worse on the populace, on we Nigerians who either directly, are trying to sabotage his Govt or those who indirectly, contribute tot he hyper-inflation through senseless price hyke of Goods and Services.

Even if Jesus should come down and lead this country, he will have a very hard time controlling the Greed, exploitative and wicked nature of we Nigerians.
Except by magic, no one on earth can stop our downward spiral into infamy... except we decide to stop it by ourselves.

But let us at least, be honest with ourselves and stop pretending like we believe it when we blame Buhari for our own actions, greed and wickedness
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I can understand the "political accusers" (l see and headbutt a lot of them in the Politics section.... thats cool) but its another thing when we come here where "everything is real"....and we still say the same things we say over there.

Look at the price of Milk, Ribena, Pap (Yes, Ogi! Akanmu!! ) Roasted Plantain, groundnuts, all made in Nigeria yet the price has doubled within one month! Is it Buhari that is selling these items, producing them or are they also imported using Dollars?

I dont want to write too much here (Property) because it is not Politics Section and l dont want us to "start it" over here. grin grin

Let me just take iron rods, which is what most people have identified here:
It is produced in Nigeria so you dont have to buy imported one. But the local one is more than doubled in price as well.
So, Let us ask ourselves: How did Dollar affect the price of this local product.... and how can we blame Buhari for it?
Iron is smelted to produce "Rods".
Aside the raw "iron ore" (which we have in abundance in Nigeria, the other critical component is Electricity.
Our Electricity is at an all time low.
Is it Buhari that steals our Transformers and resell it in the open market?
*Is it Buhari that destroys GAS pipelines that supply gas to the Turbines generating Electricity at the Power Plants?
*Is it Buhari that "shared-out and bought" all the DISCOS and GENCOS in the last five years?
*They said they want more money (tariff increase) if they are to give us stable power, the old man "grudgingly agreed" because he wants Nigerians to have stable power supply but as usual, they just took the money and pocketed it
*Is it Buhari that works in those places or we Nigerians?
*Is it Buhari that destroyed all our Steel Rolling Mills (Ajaokuta, Itakpe, Ekpan, e.t.c) or we Nigerians?
*Is it Buhari that owns the current Steel producing Companies or is he the one hiking the selling price of those products?

So, Is it Buhari that is destroying Nigeria... or we Nigerians?

What exactly is the man supposed to do?

Carry Gun and hurl every thief into detention... then we willvall carry placards and say he is a Dictator, this is Demo-crazy!
Is he supposed to "impose" price Controls when we are all shouting free-market and he should not tell us how much to sell our products, in a democracy?

The President will try his best (Yes, we voted for Change...but most greedy, selfish, wicked, exploitative and manipulative Nigerians ARE NOT READY TO CHANGE!
We did not vote Buhari to ENFORCE CHANGE because He cant do so in a democracy! If it were in 1983, all these nonsense would never happen, Buhari would have made some scape-goats amongst the populace and all the rest will get the message and sit up.

But in a "Democracy", you can only "tell the people to do what is right"....... If them "en-masse" decide to be wicked and exploit themselves, then so be it.
That is where we are today!

Not much to do with Buhari except if we want to be HYPOCRITES.




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NB: at the two posters quoted above, please dont take this personal, l only used your post to emphasis what l wanted to discuss, it has nothing to do with the two of you 'personally'. I read over a hundred a day, of same comments, on different threads.
Properties › Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 9:14pm On Jan 30, 2017
Empiree:
Lots of builders will get caught up in this inflation man. Thank goodness i finished my decking before the damn thing jumped. Even at that time in November 2015, the price was up. I had to add more money for the quote. Now i am afraid of wiring bcuz the way you brothers are talking about it. Electrician already quoted 1m (materials not included bulbs or chandlers and all that)+ 400k workmanship = 1.4m and I wanna pee pee as i got the quote 2wks ago. And now with dollar rise, I am afraid by the time i gather 1m, it might rise. That should be another month from now.

Matter of fact, i think i should post the quote for you to see if it is moderate one. Will hola at you when i found it. I de shivering as i set my eyes on it.
Use the money you have AT HAND NOW, to buy "some" of the Cables you need.... at the CURRENT PRICE ...AND STORE IT SAFELY.
Do so as money comes-in (say in tranches of 200K).
It will have saved you almost 500K by the time you are ready.



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Politics › Re: ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG HANDED THEM OVER TO NAF by lastpage: 8:40pm On Jan 30, 2017
angels09:
you registered in 2009 and still speak like a Slowpok .. even if you are not intelligent by origin you ought to have garnered some bits of intelligence
What has "date of registration" got to do with intelligence? Is that how far foolish you have become?

You dofus son of an slowpoke just want to be noticed.... that is why you go about checking date of registration!
Contribute to the topic, if you have any brain matter........but l guess right, you are a "brainless-Igbo".
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Olori'buruku, omo'ale.

Next time, please remember to ask me for my date of birth, Oloshii!
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Politics › Re: ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG HANDED THEM OVER TO NAF by lastpage: 11:19pm On Jan 28, 2017
ustavo:
When did it become d constitutional job of a state government to secure d creek?
Even private Militants took over the Job of the Nigerian Navy and NIMASSA, under that Goatluck Jonathan.

He was deliberately arming the militants so that when his second term is up, they will be so armed as to challenge whoever was the next President and make ruling impossible for him.

Some say it was an arrangement between him and the Biafrauds........ to create a "state of chaos and insecurity" so that those "Jews" can cowardly do that which they can only do under a crippled Nigerian Govt.


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Politics › Re: ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG HANDED THEM OVER TO NAF by lastpage: 11:16pm On Jan 28, 2017
nwakibie3:
But what did the NCS said say abt the choppershuh

Your answer will tell u the reason why Wike is agitated as u said
That it was not properly declared/imported.
That they are not clear about who imported the machines.


if there is anything specifically you have in mind, please make reference to it.


Wike is only agitated because he wanted to corner the machines but did not want to pay th ehuge sum of money required to pat Taxes (Clearing, Demur rage, import duty, e.t.c) on it.
Recall that under the GEJ administration, there was a "waiver" for the machines, which has lapsed.

So, what Wike tried to do is use the Nigerian Airforce to "clear" the machines (by asking them to take CUSTODY..... not OWNERSHIP!), and then after a while, turn around to REQUEST they be returned to him/his Govt.

By acting swiftly, the Customs Boss, nipped that "Wike-wayo" in the bud as the Aircraft now are the PROPERTY OF THE AIRFORCE.
Wike cannot request for then any longer!


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Politics › Re: ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG HANDED THEM OVER TO NAF by lastpage: 11:06pm On Jan 28, 2017
OBAGADAFFI:
Because the costoms lied about the buyer, Ameachi.
Customs did not lie about the buyer!

Infact, the Customs Boss (intentionally or otherwise) said They are YET TO IDENTIFY THE IMPORTER!

It would have been considered a "lie" if Mr. A imported it and the Customs said it was imported by Mr. B.

Customs did not even mention Amaechi's name anywhere in its interview.

BTW: Why is everyone keep mentioning Amaechi as the Importer when the Report put forward by Amaechi said it was a 'Joint Venture' between the River State Govt and private Oil Companies in the State?





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Politics › Re: ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG HANDED THEM OVER TO NAF by lastpage: 9:55pm On Jan 28, 2017
BADNEAT:
ARMOURED HELICOPTERS : GOVERNOR WIKE REVEALS THAT RSG WROTE TO FG TO HAND THEM OVER TO NAF

Rivers State Governor, Nyesom Ezenwo Wike has revealed that he officially wrote to President Muhammadu Buhari asking that the two armoured helicopters bought by the immediate past administration in the state .be handed over to the Nigerian Air Force.

He explained that he wrote the letter following the high custom duty charged for the helicopters and the refusal of the present administration to grant the Rivers State Government the waiver to clear the two armoured helicopters.

A statement issued by Simeon Nwakaudu, Special Assistant to the Rivers State Governor on Electronic Media informed that the governor spoke during an interview with editors of Sun Newspapers Titles on Saturday in Port Harcourt.

The governor said that it was unfortunate that Security Agencies would resort to political propaganda and outright lies, when the facts of the two armoured helicopters are public knowledge.

He said: "These helicopters were imported by the immediate past administration. When I assumed office,we wrote to the Federal government that it was strictly for security use. What am I going to use armoured helicopters for?

"In any case, where will the Rivers State Government get money at this time to import armoured helicopters. The previous administration imported it because they had the money.

"I went to to the Federal Government to give me a waiver for us to clear the helicopters, but the Federal Government refused.

"I wrote a letter to the President and to assure him that the helicopters are meant for security purposes, it should be handed over to the Nigerian Air Force ".

The governor added: "I am surprised that they have started propaganda and political falsehood on the said armoured helicopters. What kind of country are they turning Nigeria into ?

"We stated that we cannot pay the custom duties because the helicopters are not for commercial use. They are to be used to monitor the creeks and track criminals.

"I wrote to the President to give the helicopters to the Airforce. It is shocking that the custom would turn around to claim that they inpounded the helicopters. The Chief of Staff to the President admitted that I have done well when I wrote the letter to the President ".

It will be recalled that the immediate past Governor of Rivers State, Rotimi Amaechi in December 2012 announced the payment of two helicopters for security surveillance.

Simeon Nwakaudu,
Special Assistant to the Rivers State Governor, Electronic Media.
28th January, 2017.

Cc Lalasticlala , OAM4J, Mynd44
Why dont you just STFU!

Customs have transferred (by OUTRIGHT SEIZURE, which is what you are trying to avoid........ while playing "hold-in-custody" games with the Airforce!) the title of the helicopters to Nig Airforce, so whay all the noise?

or is that not what you said you want? grin

That Wike thinks he is smart but he has just been out-smarted.

Now, the Choppers belong to the Airforce! Not Wike or Rivers State anymore.
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NB: Most people commenting here have no idea the kind of games Wike is playing with the Airforce, Customs and the FG.
he said he wrote that the Choppers be "given" to the Airforce..... It has been given to the Airforce, so WHY IS HE SO AGITATED AS TO BE SENDING US ALL THESE RECIEPTS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS... when "buyer" was not the issue? grin
Politics › Re: Busted - See Details Of The Fake News Websites Which Published Buhari’s Death by lastpage: 9:38pm On Jan 28, 2017
macgodon:
I wish him death, I don't believe in all this stories if he is alive he should come out and speak
He cant speak to a lower animal like you.

You can go ahead and die of HBP......... e nor concern Buubu! tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue


Sai Baaba nor send una FLATPOBS!
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