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successmatters:I agree with you that it takes only an "unguarded statement" to inflame passions. But could it be that the Oba was speaking in a larger than life metaphor? I am surprised and still wondering, if the statement was to be interpreted literally, why would the Igbos present in "life and blood" be applauding the Oba at that event? It cant be out of fear as some would think because l dont see the Oba picking them up and dumping them into the Lagoon right there in front of Cameras? So, the explanation does not seem logical, IMO. ....and by the way, there was an apology on behalf of Kabiyesi (who by tradition, is beyond apologising to any mortal! ) and being just one person, how could the whole Yoruba Nation become an enemy on that account?Thanks for your opinion on the issues Lastpage! |
logica: logica: On the other hand, what the Igbo as a group tended to do is called amassing. Like a crowd of piranha on a hapless goat.This got me laughing unexpectedly that l spilled my tea! ![]() A few Northerners l have spoken with over the years, all say the same thing: These guests of ours are "brazenly usurping" in their general nature. I noticed that not a single Igbo responder had addressed this particular issue. Does it appear to remind one of the "We own Lagos" claims that also angered Yorubas, in recent times? Does such attitude breed resentment within the host community? Igbos, let us dissect this issue with honesty of purpose. Thanks for your opinion. Lastpage! |
chuna1985:Very true, that is why l threw it open, while requesting for MATURED PUBLIC OPINION! ![]() Is that all you can contribute? ![]() o'dikwa very big, resounding and informative! ![]() Thanks for such a huge contribution. Lastpage! |
barcanista:Aaah! Barcanista! E'tu Brutus! Issokay o! ![]() But seriously, we need ot discuss the "underlying issues", vent if necessary and then let it go as you said. I am even surprised that those who did not witness the war, seems to be more at loggerheads with themselves, for a generation with access to internet and technology, for that mater! Lastpage! |
Stolen:When you see a poorly bred Goat, you can easily discern it! ![]() Please stay-off this thread, it is meant for mature minds, to discuss matters of mutual concern. That Mod will not see this kind of "tribal insult" o,.... she is 3D (deaf, dumb and dazed) at this moment. B But wait till a Yoruba replies in kind, then she would spring to action. But l implore any Yoruba reading this, to just ignore that "stolen Imp"! "Levels" different naah |
Nnaabros:We also admire your zest for trading and commerce. The challenge is how we can all maximize our good potentials while recognizing our weaknesses so that we can synergize and complement each other, without any form of unhealthy competition. It will be a repetition and of no value, if we are all alike.... .....yet it will be an "economic waste", if we cant maximize the potentials inherent in our differences. Cheers Bro. Lastpage! |
Classicool:Dont kill me with laughter! ![]() I have lived long enough to know when someone is faking it. Granted, you are ALMOST one of us probably by the fact that you have lived with us long enough or you might even be born in the South West! I have a few Igbo friends like that who, apart from there Igbo-name, the way they destroy Amala or speak Yoruba will make you argue, if l tell you they are of Igbo stock! But nothing wrong in that,, what is wrong is to hide behind it and misrepresent a Yoruba ideology! Thats not cool Bro! We are trying to resolve issues here, not adversaries, so we need to be honest about it Thanks all the same for your own opinion on the matter. Lastpage! |
babyfaceafrica:How come the Original thread, by an Igbo person (Ngenekwenu) graced the Frontpage, immediately it was created? Did that stop the tribal bigots from posting on that thread? And you use of the phrase "NEVER" seems strange. ![]() I think there is this particular Igbo Mod in this Politics section that is responsible for stoking most of the Bigotry. As a Mod, when you see it coming, you stamp it out and immediately issue a warning, whether it is by a Yoruba or Igbo but she will let it fly if it is started by an Igbo but once a Yoruba responds, she will ban that Yoruba poster and erase their post! ![]() That is very childish and silly IMO, but the blame lies with Seun who cannot properly vet and at times double-check his Mods! Anyway, that is just by the way. Back to the topic and thanks for your response. Lastpage! |
logica:Hmmm.... reality can be very daunting at times! Can any Igbo comment on this fact of history? Is this right? Should it be so? Is it a "one-off" thingy or a general trait? Was this kind of behaviour, which l referred to in my original post as "Aggressiveness", what the hausas also detest back then, before Auiyi Ironsi took on himself to purge them of their political and military elites, by killing all of them? Has that attitude changed, as of today in 2015 These are just questions l want us to address, as part of the "honest truth and reconciliation" we seek. Lastpage! |
EggovinMma:Is that the genesis of the PROBLEM..... or just the AFTER-EFFECTS? How come none of the Igbos want to talk about what the Aguiyi Ironsi and his Igbo Soldiers, did to the Northern Political and MIlitary Elite, FIRST? If you can address issues honestly, how will you be able to "solve and reconcile" them? This topic is not about re-instating Biafra! There are too many topics on that already. We are trying to "HONESTLY" look at working at what went wrong and "solutions" ..And no one gives anyone secession, it is TAKEN!. You can take it (if that is what you really want) but you have to be up to it! Lastpage! |
EggovinMma:Is that the genesis of the PROBLEM..... or just the AFTER-EFFECTS? How come none of the Igbos want to talk about what the Aguiyi Ironsi and his Igbo Soldiers, did to the Northern Political and MIlitary Elite, FIRST? If you can address issues honestly, how will you be able to "solve and reconcile" them? This topic is not about re-instating Biafra! There are too many topics on that already. We are trying to "HONESTLY" look at working at what went wrong and "solutions" ..And no one gives anyone secession, it is TAKEN!. You can take it (if that is what you really want) but you have to be up to it! Lastpage! |
unstableaswater:Am l @NgeneUkwenu or is that a Yoruba person? Your "user-handle" says it all: UNSTABLE ![]() Now, Sod-off and let mature people talk joor. Lastpage! |
Classicool:Sharrap there! Amadioha fire you You are one of those foolish Igbos that register with Yoruba-sounding handles and then pretend like they are Yoruba. Be proud of who you are and speak for yourself. Anuofia! Lastpage! |
scholes0:No, we dont ....but its still good to let people 'vent'. |
worksmart:No you did not .....but its very easy to identify a low-life, asswipe like you! Tinubu is just one man. No big deal. |
anonimi:Like l said in my post, if you are not too beclouded to understand it, some areas are still remote and "new sites" like in some places in ikorodu hinterland. In such places, people still do borehole. Others also so is as a "backup" to the public water supply. Tell us about your own state and what your 'Sinnator' does with your constituent allowance! ![]() I hope that gully Erosion has not swallowed your family house sha? ![]() Lastpage! |
worksmart:she is not the cause of your POVERTY! Go and get a job, lazy cu*nt! |
worksmart:You are a real Bigot! Low-life asswipe! Now go and chew some grass. Anuofia! Lastpage! |
I guess the Mod is still expecting to be begged to put this one on FrontPage as well. This una double standard is part of the problem but then, @Seun is responsible for such lapses! Lastpage! |
illiad:But dont you see what he was alluding to, apart from the last part of the paragragh? Dont you think Igbos need t "tone it down" with fighting every tribe in Nigeria? I know you feel aggrieved at times...but WHY? If you have someone in your neighbourhood who thinks everyone hate shim and fights everyone, ...what would you think of such person? Would you think they are Arrogant? Aggressive maybe? Have attitude issues? Just leave your anger aside for now and think over it, using that example l made. Lastpage! |
sammyj:But why is it that after almost fifty years, we cant put it behind us, especially the New Age, technology generation? Lastpage! |
lastpage:Guys, Babes, read and give your take on that link above. I want to hear from all'ya. Your opinion matters |
amaben2020:Explain How? Omo-Igbo. ![]() Seriously, dont hate us now, Nna! Ogin'nemewu, hehn? ![]() |
abacusCm:Translated: "Between us and you igbos, the fight just started!" ![]() "Alloy, you no dey hear leave am"! Aaabeg now, fight nor good! We be Bloddas! ![]() Lastpage! |
I laugh at times at what l write on Nairaland too! I love 'yabbis' at times ![]() One of my best Pals of over 30yrs si Igbo. We dont even discuss all these silly things and its as if they dont exist in our real and private world. we initially discussed it a long tome ago and we were both honest to admit the mistakes our parents made and apologized and hugged each other after. And that was the end, till today. Thing is: Where are we getting it wrong? What should be done to get it right? You know, you cannot settle a fight, if you dont dig into what is causing the fight? The best you can do is to sweep it under the carpet, for some time, before it erupts again! That is why l think we need to "go deep down" and thrash it out so that our friendship will not be that based on "hypocrisy and pretense".... as most have now. Lastpage! |
lastpage:@NgeneUkwenu, what do you think? |
There is a REJOINDER to this Thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/2451382/settling-differences-igbos-what-yorubas It treats the issue from the perspective of a Yoruba person. Not sure if the Mod will promote it to front page but you can peep-in and offer your own opinion/suggestions. Its worth the effort. Please: No foul language or insults... just respond as you feel, in a mature manner. Your opinion is important Thanks Lastpage! |
I read a thread by one of our Igbo brothers, linked here Let us settle our differences, Igbo group tells Lagosians: https://www.nairaland.com/2450640/lets-settle-differences-igbo-group. I think this is a very heart-warming and credible effort on the part of the group. I have decided to create this response, as a way forward on the issue. The idea is to "TRY" to explain things from the point of view of a Yoruba person so that once we know what the issues are, we can begin to iron them out. [quote Author=Lastpage]Generally, l think the "yabbis" we post on Nairaland is just a way of 'venting' and does not actually represent how we actually "feel and relate" with ourselves in real life. I for one , do not carry it into the real world but then, we can make the relationship better, if we really want that, by working at it. We are not at "war" but a BETTER RELATIONSHIP between Igbos and Yorubas can (and will) only be achieved if we start with HONESTY of PURPOSE and address the "historic root of dislike" between us, as it relates to the Civil War. In particular: 1.) That the killings between the Hausas and Igbos "aggravated" as a result of Nigeria's first bloody coup led by Aguiyi Ironsi. There had been 'pockets of discontent' between the two hitherto, as the Northern Muslim is not renowned for being very tolerant, especially of an aggressive guest as the business-oriented igbos living in the North, turned out to be. An Huasa "reprisal coup" lead to Aguiyi ironsi's death later. This is the genesis of the Civil war, in one paragraph. 2.) That the Yorubas made it known to Ojukwu that they were not ready to go into a secession war as at that time because they were not ready militarily, were already surrounded by Northern populated military garrisons and to go to war at that point will be sheer suicide Every leader has a 'right and duty' to protect the survival of its people, you will agree. Awolowo did just that 3.) That Ojukwu unilaterally declared secession (whether that was the best and only option at that point is left to Igbos to contemplate) and expected Yorubas to follow despite our clear objections and ill-preparedness 4.) That Yorubas despite being part and parcel of Nigeria, stood aloof and did not actively participate in the Biafran Civil war, despite Lagos being the centre of Government. Yorubas were 'initially neutral' as the fight was basically between Igbos and Northerners. 5.) That Ojukwu in his military 'calculations and strategy', tried to force Yorubas into the war, thinking he was trying to open a second front and thereby 'stretch' the Nigerian Army. He also wanted a psychological blow on the federal govt by attacking Lagos. As a kid, l remember him attacking and bombing the Casino Cinema, at Alagomeji, in Lagos mainland. 6.) That for almost two years, Yorubas were reluctant to react to such provocations as we felt he should have directed his bomb "Northwards" since we hold no grudge against Igbos. 7.) That the 'final straw that broke the camel's back' was when Ojukwu's army attacked, as far as Oore town (current Ondo state, just before Ijebu-Ode) and Yorubas felt his intention was to destroy Yoruba lands, as he has done to Benin kingdom! 8.) That the Yorubas had no choice than to "defend and protect" their land, just as we would expect Igbos to do, if attacked. Yorubas at that point, joined the war and the rest as the say, is HISTORY. In war, there are no winners and anything to achieve victory is on the table. Our sympathy to all those who lost their lives on both sides. 9.) That the Igbos WRONGLY blamed Yorubas for their failure in the secession bid despite the fact that we only defended our land, when attacked, as any other nation would do. 10.) That Igbo parents see the above as a convenient excuse to tell their folks(That Yorubas made them lose the war), in a face-saving effort, when kids ask the question: But did you not realize that you could not win the war against North and S/West together? This in-turn, fueled hatred, over subsequent generations. the result of which we experience in 2015! 11. That despite all these, the Yorubas have always shown "open arms" to Igbos and other tribes of Nigeria as we are a very hospitable people. Our war effort was about our own survival as a Nation ...and after the war, we were willing to show the same disposition, as we had always shown to Igbos, before the war. 12.) That Igbos have since taken our 'hospitality and reluctance to resort to violence', as a sign of weakness and they do not think before calling us "cowards, to our face" but we make bold to say that no Nation is entirely a coward; it is just that our "risk aversion or risk threshold" are different. As Yorubas, we believe that we can solve most problems without recourse to violence. We think Violence should not be the first option, rather, "sound and logical brain-storming" is our hallmark. 13.) That Igbos have always adopted a confrontational and insulting posture, when it comes to discussing Yorubas, even within Yoruba enclaves. Such examples of provocative statements need not be repeated here though Yorubas have been known to reply in-kind, when provoked. 14.) That Peace between Nationalities is only achievable where there is mutual respect. A situation where one calls his host "Coward" or boast that they will overtake them on their ancestral land, reeks of arrogance and provocation. 15.) That Yorubas are first and foremost, Peace-loving people, intelligent and proud of who they are and as such, have no beef or deep-rooted animosity with any other tribe and we are always willing to "welcome and partner with" any other Nationality in Nigeria, as long as there would be mutual respect. Let me also add that Yorubas believe in an "indivisible One Nigeria" where Justice, fair-play, respect for one another and integrity" are the building blocks of the nation. Though Nigeria as it is today, is far from this dream, we think "True Federalism", as opposed to secession, is the solution to attain such. This is at variance with Igbos who believe they cannot live happily in a United and fair Nigeria, except they break-off into Biafra. This is the "problem and solution", from the perspective of a Yoruba person. I understand an Igbo person might see things from a different angle but l am sure that if we show honesty of purpose and are willing to accept and forget the past, then the future is always bright afterall, there are thriving marriages between both nations and in particular, Yorubas are known not to be "extremists" in anything, be it religion or tribal affinity. So, the ball is your court, our Igbo brothers. We also extend an "Olive Branch" in return. Like Broom, Together (based on Justice, fairness and mutual respect), we are stronger... What do you think and what would you want, from your Yoruba Brothers?[/quote] |
IsraeliAIRFORCE:There is Lagos = A State in Nigeria Then there is Lagos = A city in Lagos state of Nigeria Then there is also Lagos = Eko, ruled by the Eleko of Eko, Oba Akinolu, Oba of Lagos. See! When we say Lagosians, we could be meaning any of the three definitions above and l can tell you, they are miles apart. I dont know if you understand Yoruba but we have "omo Eko"... we also have "Ara-Eko" and we also have "A'tohun rinwa". ![]() Lastpage! |
anonimi:In most places in Lagos, except the "very rural and new sites", all you need do is inform the Water corporation and pay some stipend, and they would connect you to the Water grid. I am sure your own State Governor has provided Tap Water ALL OVER that your erosion-ridden state where ecological funds are looted abroad! No wonder you'all troop to Lagos! ![]() STOP #WailingWailers, it's no longer in fashion. Lastpage! |
Princewill1:Dont let your hatred of another tribe, make you lose your senses! Decoders like is not designed to show only TVC. You can always watch Aljazeera or Channels TV or even CNN on it if you dont want to watch TVC. ..and she is not forcing anyone to accept it, right? So move on, if you dont want it. Lastpage! |
kpez:Its a criminal SCAM! Once you see a request for: *Your Birth date and name => Identity fraud! (They will clone your identity and use it for fraud!) *Anything about Credit/Debit Card (even if they say you wont be charged! ) => Financial SCAM!Just delete it and move-on. Greed of course, will make some people to play along. ![]() Lastpage! |
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) and being just one person, how could the whole Yoruba Nation become an enemy on that account?