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Saw this on the other thread and reproduced it here Credits to the owner.

rashylous: MESSAGE TO ALL IGBO YOUTHS
"......!!!!Ndigbo wake up!!!!!!!..
We want federal appointments but we don't want federal prisoners transferred to our south east prisons.
We want Senate presidency yet we hate APC and didn't vote for APC.
We want to produce Nigerian President yet we want Biafra republic.
We want to rule Nigeria yet we aren't united.
We say northerners hate us yet we remain in the north despite the bombings.
We call President buhari a boko haram yet we want him to develop igboland.
We want to secede from Nigeria forcefully yet we keep investing all over Nigeria.
We want our sons and daughters appointed into key positions in the buhari govt yet we fight Rochas okorocha and Sen Chris Ngige.
Una think say power na Free drink? Who is deceiving who?
Ndigbo, we are the cause of our problems. I remain Honourable Victor Ezendigbo alias Radio without battery 93.1FM reporting from Adazi ani, Anambra state."
~ Honourable Victor Ezendigbo
MY TAKE
Ndigbo don't know what they want. They continue to confuse themselves. The old generations poison the minds of the new generations. If they continue like this, they shall become more irrelevant in Nigeria politics. I hope and pray they get their ass together. Hopefully they produce a president in the nearest future.
# NigeriaMustGetItRight

The above is why we cannot afford to keep fighting because all the baove will NEVER HAPPEN unless Igbos and Yorubas UNITE and live together as one.

or do you think l am mistaken?



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Yorubas are always ready to accept an Olive branch.
Trust me, No Yoruba man harbors hatred for nearly fifty years otherwise you would have heard of a pogrom, like you hear in other nationalities of Nigeria, in Yoruba states.

we just nor get time for such, with so many Owambes to shoki-shoki, from Ikorodu to Ijebu, to Ondo, to Benin, no tot mention our "Molete-Challenge" last chance sisters from Ibadan, every Friday evening?

I hereby declare on behalf of my own Yoruba folks that we have accepted the Olive branch.

Let us set-up a committee to implement further "talks, exchange of prisoners and wives".

Me, l have my eyes set on Adamma for my .......


Igbo-Kwenu! I hail o! Three Gbosaa!



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Dollyak:
First and foremost, a big respect to lastpage for this
initiative. I respect you and T8ksy knowledge about Nigeria's history. Your diplomatic approach is top notch and admirable Sir.

It is our pleasure M'aam but we take no credit for it. That T8sky na ogbonge pas sme o!

The credit goes to all of us, we just want to live peacefully with ourselves and debunk these distrust and rabble-rousing from our Brothers!

Thanks for your own opinion.



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BTW: Its still funny that that Igbo Mod refused to display this thread on front page despite going five pages throughput the whole night yet the other one by Igbo person was promptly displayed!
-Small time now, "it" go ban me like say na me take im husband!

Nellybii:
Even an idiot will know that this is impossible. In as much as we have freedom of speech, it is common knowledge that an employee that comes out openely to insult his employer has found another job. The LNG is owned by the federal govt. It is not an arm of the opposition. So this news is absolutely fake.
Also, why didn't that thief in Otuoke use the money for bail out? He was thinking of how to steal it again is the answer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Exactly!

They were probably planning to loot it as usual, if it is even true!


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CR77:
APC is just full of propaganda and lies...

[size=18pt]#WailingWailers [/size]part 2

PubLlcEnemy:
Pls am new in lag and I would love to go to the beach on weekends to clear my head.. But I don't know which to go to or which is safe... Could you help me pls.

Go to Alpha Beach..... it could just be only you and yours, there are no hustlers there.

Clean and serene, its where we roll all day!



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Thats why it is good to spread you rmoney around in at least five banks.

#500,000 x 5 in aday is #2.5Million, enough to settle my wahala on a daily basis.

Banks nor get sense, dem just dey form smart!


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Seadove70:
Pleas can some tell me, Amaechi is a muslim?

He is a Christian and what about it?


Even Jesus ate with the sinners abi which kind christian be your own?

Abeg, on Friday, me l dey jollof and bubble with my Muslim paddys!

we nor send Boko Haram.


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hopawern:
is Ameachi also fasting?

WHEN CHRISTIANS CELEBRATE, ...CELEBRATE WITH THEM.

NOTHING WRONG IN CELEBRATING WITH MUSLIMS, WHEN THEY ARE CELEBRATING.

IT IS THE FANATICS AND EXTREMIST LIKE YOU THAT WE ALL HATE


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There is a REJOINDER to this Thread here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2451382/settling-differences-igbos-what-yorubas
It treats the issue from the perspective of a Yoruba person.

Not sure if the Mod will promote it to front page but you can peep-in and offer your own opinion/suggestions.
Its worth the effort.

Please: No foul language or insults... just respond as you feel, in a mature manner. Your opinion is important

Thanks


Lastpage!

There is a REJOINDER to this Thread here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2451382/settling-differences-igbos-what-yorubas
It treats the issue from the perspective of a Yoruba person.

Not sure if the Mod will promote it to front page but you can peep-in and offer your own opinion/suggestions.
Its worth the effort.

Please: No foul language or insults... just respond as you feel, in a mature manner. Your opinion is important

Thanks


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As l suggested yesterday,

olillywales:
FEDERAL GOVT BANS RADIO BIAFRA

The Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Information, Dr. Sade Yemi-Esan, on Tuesday said the Nigerian Broadcasting Corporation has succeeded in stopping the signal of Radio Biafra because it was not licensed.



Yemi-Esan disclosed this to State House correspondents shortly after briefing President Muhammadu Buhari of her ministry’s activities inside the Presidential Villa, Abuja.

She said the commission was currently working with security agencies to apprehend those behind the illegal radio.



She said, “We also gave a report on Radio Biafra. Right now, the signals from the radio have been jammed successfully by the NBC. The commission is also working with security agencies to get those that are behind that radio because it is an illegal radio. It is not licensed by anybody to be on the airwaves in Nigeria.”

She added that the President had directed her ministry to put machinery in place to end the scourge of piracy in the nation’s movie industry.



She said the President gave a clear directive that the ministry must work hard to ensure that film producers get what is due to them. “The President raised concerns about piracy in Nollywood and he has instructed us to work harder to ensure that the producers of Nollywood films get what is due to them and that we reduce piracy to the barest minimum,” she said.



She added that the President frowned at some media houses that are in the habit of owing salaries.

She said Buhari saw the development as not too good for the country.



She said, “I think it was last week that one of the newspapers was shut down because of non-payment of salaries. I think that should not be heard of in a country like Nigeria.

“Mr. President frowns on things like that, the welfare of every Nigerian, especially journalists is one of the major concerns that we have.”



The Permanent Secretary said the President wanted the ministry to intensify publicity because of his desire that every Nigerian should know about policies and programmes of his government.

She said they also talked about external publicity and the possibility of re-opening the federal information services abroad.

http://www.metronaija.com/2015/07/nigeria-broadcasting-commission-finally.html

we cant allow some faceless Radio station to be spewing hatred into the ears of our young children.
we will get there, step by step.



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ogba20:
. Am nt an igbo man, with respect to what happen in dis past general election i must say that the yoruba are betretals, take it or leave it. Green snake in a green grass.

Thats nice coming from someone who is not Igbo.

BTW, what are you? Yoruba or Northerner abi u be Alien!

You mean voting out a government that was deemed not performing is betrayal?
What will you them call sticking to something/method that has failed for the last six years? Cow/Herd mentality or tribalism?

But this thread is not even about what happened in the last general election only.
It is about a request that "sane people" should find a way to make Nigerians work together instead of pulling at each others throat, especially between Igbos and Yorubas.

Gerrit?

Thanks for your opinion



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Largas:
You keep posting lies and expect sane men to take you serious.

* Not all the January 1966 coupists were igbos. There were some yoruba and northern soldiers involved.
* The coup failed. Hence civilian governors in eastern and mid western regions were not eliminated.

The reason this bad blood still festers is because some of you are living in denial, a sort delusion grandeur!
You argue like the "outcome of the war" depends on it!

Below is a list of the "Masterminds" of that Coup:
1.) Major KAduna Nzeogwu (Igbo)
2.) Major Timothhy Onwuatuegbuw (Igbo)
3.) Emmanuel Ifeajuna (Igbo)
4.) Maj. Chris Anuforo (Igbo)
5.) Major Don Okafor (Igbo)
6.) Maj. Adewale Ademoyega (Yoruba)
7.) Maj. Humphrey Chukwukah (Igbo)
Capt Emmanuel Nwobosi (igbo)
9.) Capt ben Gbulie (Igbo)
10) Capt. Ogbu Orji (Igbo).

So out of ten coup plotters, 9 are Igbos. (90%) and you say it is not an Igbo Coup?
Co-opting one Yoruba into it does not change anything!
where are the "some" Northern and Yoruba soldiers you are talking about?

And by mere coincidence, the plotters killed all the Top "Military and Political" Northern leaders, .....leaving no single Igbo military or political leader dead?
By mere coincidence, the ONLY PLACE it was well planned, was in the North!
Are you for real?
Even Ironsi, who is Igbo was the one that decided he had to use "military coup" to "CALM the tension in the country and he did so with entirely Igbo cabinet, those are the only people he could trust!! LMAO!

You guys like to deceive yourselves and you fabricate a thousand excuses why you are never responsible for your own part of the shenanigans!

This is why we are still where we are today, 2015.

But fabricating stories is not the interest of this thread.
We want to see how future generations at least, can learn and move-on with what happened, as the Igbo organisation that threw the olive branch suggested.

Thanks for your opinion, sane man!



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pazienza:
The rest of the opening post were simply not worthy of any reply as they were mainly emotional rants with no substance.

You have responded almost ten times and yet you keep saying it warrants no response!

Nna, calm down now, biiko!

The war is over. We are just trying to ease the tension and see where we can vent out so that we dont bottle all that hate inside.

And your use of foul language is unnecessary.


Will you not help a Yoruba man, if you see him being attacked by Robbers or would you sayy Good for him,. na Yoloba im be!

Chillax Bro.
Even if we go to war today, we will still come back and discuss on at a a table ..... so why not just discuss at a table as we are doing than trying to hack ourselves to death first, huh?

At this time of the night sef, how can you still be angry?
BTW: hypothetical question sat times are designed to make you reflect on your own position and see if is logical


I wont thank you this time, for your opinion though but then Thanks for your opinion


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Largas:
The northerners saw It as an Igbo coup neglecting the couple of yoruba and even northern soldiers caught up during the investigation of the failed January 1966 coup. doesn't that disqualify the tag 'igbo coup'?


nevertheless, you have failed to answer why there is double standard by the northerners on 5th case of prosecuting coup plotters like danjuma, babangida, abacha and Buhari.

I also want you to answer me why the 3Rs: reconstruction, réconciliation and réhabilitation started at Lagos where no property was destroyed, neglecting the East which was the battlefield that witnessed aerial bombardment, starvation answering economic meltdown.

You have failed to answer why the South east have lowest number of states, senators and representatives at the lower chamber of the House, in a bid to ensure they are marginalised and never resurge to implement policies favouring their war torn zone. In a bid to deny them equity, fairness and justice. why do they have lowest number of federal presence since 1970?

I can go on and on and on. people have resorted to Biafra because they are tired of being neglected 45years after the civil war wars imply cause they lost.

If Nigeria seriously want them to end Biafra agitation. then they must be treated fairly like the rest of Nigeria. or or you or you conduct or you conduct referendum so so they so they determine so they determine if so they determine if they so they determine if they should go seek equity, justice and fairness in a new country of theirs.

Do you by any means "stammer"? Just kidding, l guess it was your keyboard that was stammering up there!

On a more serious note.... and l will not mince word with you so you might not like what l would say but l am giving you the mindset of "others" which you might not be aware of.

1.) There is no equity in Nigeria, not even amongst the Yorubas who were part of the #teamvictory in the war, the only luck Lagos has was because it was the capital and anywhere in the world, the Capital comes first in development.

2.) I agree that the Northerners who held sway on power after the war, did not go overboard to let you guys feel welcomed. Its a combination of "anger, vissionlessness, selfishness and post-war vendetta" . That was not right if and when we are trying to forge a united Nigeria. ND suffered similar neglect despite being the Apple basket!

3.) The fact that Igbos did not actually "openly accept" defeat (remember Ojukwu was still in Ivory Coast for some time before he wss pardoned to come back home) and accept their role in what led to the war (as they still do today) gave the impression that they were only "bidding their time" to start another war of secession.

4.) This created an atmosphere of distrust such that "others" were wondering what these Igbos might try to do, if you give them too much room and power. The impoverization was deliberate though we also have to acknowledge that the fact that the Igbos tend to be Nomadic and live outside their own domain also contributed to their under-development!

5.) Some Igbo "leaders" are also to blame as they play "sell-out" of their people, for personal gains. From Nzeribes, to Ojukwu himself (l know Igbos wont like that part but l think he should have been a God father "anointing from behind", instead of playing partisan Politics when he came back as that would have given him more respect and bargaining power; just my opinion). I also wonder why Igbo Governors have not find it in their heart to "come together and use their allocation to do meaningful collaboration projects that would uplift their area...they are not poor mind you, as a people! but have nothing to show for it in the East itself...maybe in Lagos sha)

6.)Even up till today, there is still that trust deficit between Igbos and other Nigerian tribes, not just Yorubas alone. Even their closest neighbour, the Niger Deltans still view them with distrust. But How can you "completely trust" people who dont believe in the nigerian project?

so we have a "chicken and egg" situation here:
*Igbos agitate for Biafra because they are neglected by Nigeria and are not properly integrated
*Nigeria feels Igbo are not trying to properly ingrate into Nigeria because they still want to actualize Biafra and cannot be trusted with anything, especially Power, in the nigerian equation.

Who should break the ice? I think Igbos need to show Nigerians that they are onboard the Nigerian ship FULLY. No tjust waiting to seize an opportunity!
I say this because when you have a "chicken and Egg situation", you only need to go back and look at the "antecedents" to decide which should give first.

Take the last election as an example: Igbos wanted all hell to break lose so they can seize the opportunity to secede and actualize Biafra.
But meanwhile, they were urging the ND folks on, like they were really rooting for them because they think some injustice is being done to them for trying to vote our former President Jonathan.
Other Nigerians know and see this.
It is this kind of scenario that makes "Nigeria" to consciously suppress Igbos.

Igbos have also been known to be unstable (forgive my use of that word) and to not stand solidly behind what is right, even if they dont benefit from it.
Take the Saraki scenario as another example: Igbos knew what Saraki did was treacherous. Such Vile humanbeing MUST never be put anywhere near a position of responsibility but because it is a "dagger in the heart of Yorubas", Igbos are willing to go along with it.
When you behave that way, you are sending out the wrong signals and telling others that you are "unreliable and undependable".

I can go back to the past thirty of forty years wherein Igbos have acted the spoiler role (NPN Vs.UPN, SDP Vs NRP, Abiola Saga, Renaming of Unilag, e.t.c). In most cases, it is directed at Yorubas but meanwhile, the Northerners who reap the benefit dont give a phuck about Igbos. For them, they have seem the Igbos thru and thru.
Mind you, the Northerners are not that "indecisive" as the Westerner Yoruba when it comes to swift actions and they follow themselves dogmatically. Yorubas have this penchant for not following "orders", except they completely agree to it (Obasanjo's first term is an example)

In summary (l dont want to dwell too much on these examples as it will raise other arguments again), I think the igbos should throw the Olive branch first and let Nigerians embrace them.
The likes of Nnamdi Kanu is not doing such effort any favors at all.
I will also suggest that Igbos not put all their eggs in one basket because things dont always go as planned.
That your sworn enemy might be your saving grace when the time comes!

It is not that we actually like the Hausas (Sharia and blood-letting Vs. Born-to-rule mentality) and we collude with them, but we have found them to be at least more reliable than the Igbos. We can tolerate their excesses and we can also make our own demands which they also know when to "bow to" (as in Presidency and other political matters) otherwise, they know what we are capable of doing without even fighting!
Babangida will remember us, if not Abacha!
Igbos too have to know when to stop boasting and use "deft tactics" to achieve set objectives!

Chai, who da phuck am l to turn myself into "igbo adviser" sef, abi dem don dash me wife?


Thanks for your opinion Sir!


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pazienza:
5.) That Ojukwu in his military
'calculations and strategy', tried to force
Yorubas into the war, thinking he was
trying to open a second front and thereby
'stretch' the Nigerian Army. He also
wanted a psychological blow on the
federal govt by attacking Lagos. As a kid,
l remember him attacking and bombing
the Casino Cinema, at Alagomeji, in Lagos
mainland.

I have always heard Yorubas speak of Biafrans attacking Lagos, I wish Biafrans were able to attack Lagos, but the fact remains that that never happened, Biafran led Army was stopped at Ore[b] by Nigerians[/b], sabotaged by Banjo, probably because the Yorubas were not eager for the Northerners to be eliminated from Lagos after all. Awo was only bluffing.

Ojukwu match to Lagos was obviously and prompted by Awo's posture of being inability to eliminate the Northern soldiers from the West being the reason why he couldn't declare Odua republic, and the fact that the Northerners were headquartered at Lagos.

Look l dont know how old you are during the Civil war but l use to live less than one kilometer from the Casino Cinema in the late sixties and l can tell you as an eye witness that Casino Cinema was bombed by Igbos. I am not saying a battalion of Soldeirs matched all the way to Lagos O!
They sent suicide bombers like Boko Haram is doing today, to bomb places in Lagos!
That Cinema never recovered till today!

And by the way, are you telling us Yorubas are no longer Nigerians and vice-versa? You were stopped at Oore by Yoruba soldiers led by the Scorpion Himself.
dont let us go to that side as it will start to appear we are gloating over the debacle, as a sign of respect to those who lost their lives on both sides, or dont you know we also lost soldiers? ITS A FREAKING WAR, for God's sake!

Thanks Sir, for your opinion



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hakeem4:
but what the northerners saw was an igbo coup because no Igbo leader was affected and another became the head of state + making all his co-workers IGbos only and the natural behaviour of the IGbos .... They always have this pride


After the hausa's retaliated ... They made a middle beltan and even a Christian the leader

Thanks for this additional insight.

Igbos should just call a spade, a spade and let us move on.



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pazienza:
4.) That Yorubas despite being part and
parcel of Nigeria, stood aloof and did not
actively participate in the Biafran Civil war,
despite Lagos being the centre of
Government. Yorubas were 'initially
neutral' as the fight was basically
between Igbos and Northerners

Yorubas at no point in the Biafran Nigerian conflict were neutral, they were Nigerians from the onset Biafra was declared and the attacks against Biafra were being launched right from Lagos in Yorubaland by Northern military,that automatically made Yorubaland enemy land. Neutrality was simply not an option available to Yorubas.

They had too options:

1. Join the Biafrans and eliminate the Northerners from Lagos.

2. Join the Northerners and attack the East.

In the end they chose option 2. It was their right to chose any of the option, but each of the options came with consequences.

Eternal enemity with Ndiigbo is the consequence of option two. Yorubas should accept that in good fate and stop this propaganda of neutrality, cos it never happened.

Bros, You are talking "after the fact".
I am saying Yorbas were neutral from the onset, before the war started.
*Dont forget it was Igbos and Hausas that were killing themselves (mostly) in the coup and counter-coup
*Dont forget that till todays, hardly will you hear that Yorubas gather to kill any Igbo person, as happens in the North
Even now that things were tense! I tell you, if it was in the North that had so much Igbos doing business, during the last election with the utterances of Igbos, the killings would have started. You and l know this.

You need to separate Lagos as a sit of governemnt, and Yorubas as indigene of Lagos.
Order can be given in Lagos and implemented in Anambra, by the then military Govt.
Order can be given in Enugu and implemented in Kano ror Kaduna, by the Biafran military commanders.

But what would appear dubious is to give order in Enugu, to attack Lagos (despite being the sit of government) to kill Yorubas while leaving Hausas in Kano and Kaduna unscacthed!
How many times did you hear that Kano or Kaduna was attacked during the civil war?
Yet, from Benin down to Oore was decimated by Biafran Soldiers?

In all honesty, Ojukwu wanted to destroy the South West Yorubaland, for not joining him, even if it means he would let go the Hausas that are his main traducers. That is very vindictive and Yorubas make no Apologies for defending themselves robustly.
Igbos would do same, if in our shoes

As for the eternal enmity, go and sit down joor!
You dont marry into the tribe of your eternal enemy! or can anyone war with himself?


Thanks for your opinion Sir!



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pazienza:
3.) That Ojukwu unilaterally declared
secession (whether that was the best and
only option at that point is left to Igbos to
contemplate) and expected Yorubas to
follow despite our clear objections and ill-
preparedness

Biafra wasn't unilaterally declared by Ojukwu, Ndiigbo and indeed the East are too free minded, (a people not used to bowing down to self appointed kings) to be unilaterally led by Ojukwu whims and caprices. And no matter how you Odua-Arewa people try, the truth remains that Biafra was never an Ojukwu or Igbo agenda. Biafra was put to vote democratically by members of Eastern region consultative assembly consisting of members drawn from all ethnic nationalities present in the defunct Eastern region. Igbos of course being the Majority ethnic group in the East had a major stake in Biafra. But Biafra was never an Ojukwu or Igbo agenda, it was the wish of the Eastern region people.

Ojukwu expected Yorubas to atleast remain neutral. Awo's major complain for the West not being ready to attempt secession was the presence of Northern military in the West, to this effect, Ojukwu's first move after declaring Biafra was a Biafran military force led by a Banjo Yoruba man ( the choice of a Yoruba man obviously being to signify his noble intentions) to join forces with Yorubas in expelling the Northern soldiers from Lagos atleast and subsequently the entire Yorubaland.

You still dont get it, do you?
1.) Yorubas did not attack any Igbo soldier nor participated ACTIVELY in the war till it was about two years old.
We only defended the S/west when Ojukwu and his Biafran Army wanted to run-over us, as far as Oore town in present Ondo state.
Even when they overran Benin Kingdom, a part of Yoruba entity, we were still "begging" them to desist ...as we do not want to tackle them headlong! Please be fair in your response now?

2.) Yorubas do not want Biafra Soldier to "liberate them" using force and war. We have our own "mental startegy" for achieving desired results.
But you insisted on "helping us liberate" ....... us!
Na by force to help people liberate them?

We knew the impact of war on our people and how it will set us back a hundred years....something Igbos are feeling up to this moment. But then We cant afford and dont want "those impact". Things might be different today in 2015
Instead of accepting that you miscalculated, you are "shifting blame and clamoring for separation"!

This is the sole reason why Igbos are saying[b] "Allow us to go"![/b]
I mean, if it was that easy to go, you would have tried to go and wont be asking for permission to go!
Who gives that kind of permission? Even the Bible says "the Violent take it by force"! .... that is if they can sha!
Be realistic, l am begging you, for the sake of love.
Thats all.


Thanks for your opinion.



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Largas:
NO

It must be stated clearly and openly that Ironsi was never part of the coup plotting. Even professional investigations carried out after the January coup indicted many professional soldiers but Ironsi.

Ironsi got wind of a coup, and gathered trust-worthy soldiers to block Nzeogwu act lagos after Ifeajuna had fled to Ghana. Nzeogwu was outnumbered so he smartly surrendered.

Ironsi quenched the coup attends the most senior professional Nigerian soldier.

It's never the fault of Igbos that they dominated every Nigerian institution even the military during the first Republic between 1960-1966. From the most decorated military official to the least decorated military official. No wonder majority of the January '66 coup plotters plotters were Igbo, majority if not all the January '66 coup quenchers led by General Ironsi were Igbo.



I repeat the truth, Ironsi had no hand in the January 15 1966 coup, as the most most senior most senior military official, he only tried to use the military to restore calm following the sham and corruption called elections held in 1965 which led led to January 1966 coup. IRONSI WAS NOT MADE HEAD OF STATE.

I am trying to understand you perfectly Sir!

*Are you saying it was a "mere coincidence" that all the Coupist were Igbos? (maybe they are the only ones in the military then, huh?)
*That it was a mere coincidence that ALL Northern Political and Decorated Top Military officers of Northern extraction were murdered, including Tafawa Balewa
*That it was mere coincidence that Ironsi became the Head of state of an Igbo Coup and within a short time, all Federal appointments seems to "fall into Igbo hands"? ....as exemplified by what happened in University of Ibadan?

That is one coincidence too many Bros!

My Blodder, the war is over and we are in 2015.


Thanks for your opinion



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klevjey:
you call Lagos land of yorubas, but call the oil of Niger Delta Nigeria's...

You don't set terms and definitions for a people, strong in their millions!!

Agreed!! Lagos belongs to the Yorubas, but you should also agree Niger Delta's oil is ND's

If you don't, then LAGOS HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO BE A NO MAN'S LAND!!

Dont get it twisted please!

You are mixing-up TWO THINGS

1) geographical land area and the people (2) Resources under the ground

A.) Yes, Niger Delta, as a land, belongs to the Niger Deltans as a people, just as Lagos belongs to Yorubas as a people; and Anambra belongs to Igbos, as a people or Kano belongs to Hausas, as a people


B.) Because Nigeria is a "Federal Republic", it RESOURCEs belong to the Federal Govt.
The Groundnut Pyramids of the north, the Cocoa of the West, the Oil of the Niger Delta, the Rubber in Ondo state, e.t.c ALL BELONG TO NIGERIA represented by the Federal Govt.

I hope you see what is meant now?

But let me add that this does not justify the wanton ecological disaster of the ND, the poor infrastructure there nor the poverty there. These are the "failures of Governance", from your looting LG chairmen, to the Governor and the President of the federation.
Those issues arose out of corruption


Thanks for your opinion



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Remarkable:
but before the civil war wasn't there hot competition between the two? political, economical and otherwise... if I am not mistaken, 3SC and Rangers were pretty much west pitted against east.... free education was Awo's way of catching up with the east in education... okpara was working to make igweocha the 'lagos' of the east ... (note that I said that I could be mistaken in those assertions before you start on me)... so I think it predates the civil war that a form of competetition begun between the east and the west, Nigeria can not contain the two, it seems... its almost like a fight needs to be fought... let the two tribes agree to fight and the loser will henceforth respect the other; no help from Britain, Russia or world powers... the north, perhaps, can join the yorubas.... and if some groups in the middle belt and south south want to join the igbos, they are free to... un will call/referee the fight and the fight will be televised. Again, the rules of war will be heeded by both sides, so no ojoro, one year to prepare and map out your strategies... and one year later, the winner will ... prostrated to by the loser.

Guys I'm just kidding.

You are mistaken Sir, Those issues were not what caused the war.
Naturally, there will be competition between nations, even Ijebus compete with Ibadan and Egba, within Yoruba nationality but it is a healthy competition.

The cause of the war was as l have chronicled it in my fifteen point post on page one.
*Hausas feel bad about igbos in their midst. They kill them (hence my use of the phrase "not the least accommodating". They still do it till today!
*Igbos retaliated in that very genocidal Coup that put such crimes on a National scale!
Individuals killing individuals.... is different from one nationality erasing all the "Political and military leaders" of another and then installing themselves in their place!
*The Northerners retaliated in similar fashion.
*Igbos could take it no more and decide to secede!
*Northerners said you aint going no-where, not now! => CIVIL WAR

If anyone tells you anything different, call them LIARS! They are lying to you.
I have no reason to lie to you on the cause, it changes nothing

Notice that the word Yoruba did not even show face in the process until the war was really in its second year

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pazienza:
2.) That the Yorubas made it known to
Ojukwu that they were not ready to go
into a secession war as at that time
because they were not ready militarily,
were already surrounded by Northern
populated military garrisons and to go to
war at that point will be sheer suicide
Every leader has a 'right and duty' to
protect the survival of its people, you will
agree. Awolowo did just that

Awo said should Biafra secede that the West will do the same, he did make mention of Northern soldiers stationed in Lagos.The west wasn't ready to join the East to liberate Lagos of Northern soldiers, but it was well ready to join Arewa in her match to the East. ( Of course this is the point you tell me the clock and bull story of the west remaining neutral until Banjo match to Ore leading Biafran forces, right?)

Awo not only didn't secede when the East seceded, he teamed up with the North to fight against the East, and would even suggest the use of starvation as a weapon of war. Awo didn't stop there, he would go on to suggest the 20 pounds policy against Ndiigbo after the war.
For a man who never believed in one Nigeria, Awo broke so many records to keep Nigeria one.

Of course, Awo's duty is the safety of Yorubas first, but if you achieve that safety on the blood of another, you shouldn't expect anything short of eternal enemity from such group.

Let us assume what you posted is the true version of events (which it is not) three questions come to mind:

1.) Why would Biafra or Ojukwu predicate his success on the actions of another region seceding?

2.) if he knew he cant win unless he gets the support of Yorubas (by them also seceding) why cant he just surrender and recant his words (okay we wont secede anymore but we need a better deal), instead of going-on headlong into the war, when he knew he cant win since the Yorubas have decided it was "foolhardy and suicidal" to do it at that point in time?

3.) Does it not appear to you that Ojukwu and Igbos decided their own fate by continuing the process of Biafranisation (even as some of you still do today) when it was obvious the support he envisaged was crucial but not forthcoming?
Should you now blame your failure to "critically analyze the situation" and make a decision that is "in the best interest of your people" ...on another tribe?

Again, you mean the "West" should be stewpid enough to "allow Igbos to help them liberate Lagos of Northern soldiers" by making their homeland A THEATRE OF WAR AND THE ATTENDANT DESTRUCTION?
What you proposed to the West is silly because we could (and have) achieve the same thing a few years later, without destroying our enclave or sending millions of our people to an early grave.

If you cant see the wisdom in that, then .....*** you must think we are just mouthing when we say we have "superior intelligence"!

*We never joined the Northerners until you guys matched Westwards as far as Oore town, a few kilometers from Ijebu Ode, next to Lagos!
*We reminded you time after time, that you are threatening our survival when you were bombing Lagos!
*We gave you enough time to direct your artillery "Northwards" ...towards the North that you have a beef with but you were willing to "bite more than you can chew" and did not "critically analyze the situation" you are leading yourselves into ..... just as you are doing now in 2015!
*Maybe you took our "warmness" for cowardice, just as yo are still doing now..... but we had no choice than to prove you wrong!
*Moreso, Awolowo was a "Nigerian" in as much as secession was concerned and he served "his fatherland" meritoriously till the end of the war. Same cannot be said of Ojukwu, for his "fatherland Biafra"!

Yet you are not even honest enough to blame yourselves for your own actions!

I have explained the rationale behind the "Food and Monetary policies" in those war times and they cannot be faulted by any objective mind.

Having cleared the above, the war is over, get over it NOW!
We are about reconciliation and forgiveness here.


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klevjey:
what of alakija and odetola owning oil wells in south south?

And did that prevent Nnamdi or Dipriye from owning one in the South-South or even in Lagos?

What he is talking about is "aggrandisement, unbridled greed and ridiculous selfishness"!



You look at it yourself:
There are 22 post to be shared between the North and South.
Northerners (NE,NW, N.Central e.t.c) took half and left half (11) for we Southerners (S.W, S.E as of then)

Out of this 11 posts, Igbos took Ten (10) and left One (1) for the south West!
What will you call that? Smartness, Fairness? Justice, Love?

what about the appointments in the Only University we had in Nigeria, located in the South West?
Did you read about what happened when Igbo was the head of state and made one of their the V.C.?

What do you call that?
Smartness, Fairness? Justice, Love? Wetin sef?


why cant Igbos look themselves in the face/mirror and accept that they have done "some"wrong and acknowledge it?
Ist not a sign of defeat or weakness you know, to accept you are wrong, when you are wrong?

Why do you guys shy away from discussing such issues instead go on a tangent about hatred and such emotional things?


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SUBWAY101:
God knows. I do nairaland e-war for fun then with them chino and co and it all ends on nairaland. I have got no hatred in me for yeebhoes except the normal e-bashing we all do for fun, but the before election drama and radio biafra has now awaken me. I listened to that radio and heard yeebhoe calling in that they are ready to kill my people anytime and waiting for command. Even the elderly ones do call in, an old woman even promise to donate money for ammunitions yet some bastard said we should fold our arms and keep looking. His facebook page is filled with hatred and curse words for other tribe and you still want us to keep quiet. The hatred is now mutual and may it be so.

You want biafra and yorubas are not the cause of your problem yet you planning how to kill us and you said we should keep quiet. We are not holding you, we dont rush to your region to disturb you there. You are the one rushing to ours and still looking for our trouble yet you want us to keep quiet. Nnamdi Kanu, God bless you for waking my spirit and planting the hatred. I am helping you spread it in Yorubaland and informing everyone to now listen to your curse words and genocide plans so they can know they are in the midst of there enemies.

Brother, I know how you feel and i understand what it means, to listen to your "guest' planning to annihilate you on a large scale, as on a radio programme. It will never happen, God/Nature/Heavens is always on the side of those who stand for Peace and Truth.
Ala t'aja bala, inu re n'igbe!

There is a reason we are Yorubas: We are very intelligent and we dont allow "emotions" to becloud our reasoning!
Oruko ti ama'so omo eni, inu eni ni'gbe! ... Owo t'okere bayo, n'afi ngbe

I want you to relax! Calm down.
We both know Yorubas, though hate wars and are not aggressive but what happened in Ondo state during the NPN Vs. UPN political wahala is enough to be an eye opener to anyone that Yorubas are very grounded when it comes to war or defending themselves.

Having said that its a shame that some Igbos still applaud what nnamdi kanu is spewing.
Igbos talk about Genocide yet are supporting someone calling for Genocide!
What if he is arrested now, wont they say "They are picking on us" again?
Should Igbos not be the ones at the forefront of condemning such open display of aggression?

You know one Northerner asked me: What do you think Igbos would do, if they ever have the "Ultimate Power" in the Nigerian equation?
I could not answer but l mustered courage to say "We need to give them the benefit of the doubt".


I hope OMB will not only jam the signals of that hateful station but also arrest anyone encouraging Genocidal war in this country. Whoever or wherever that person comes from. Our kids cannot be allowed to be poisoned by such stewpid utterances, apologies for my language!

Let us not return hate for hate, evil for evil...... That is why we are Yorubas! That is why we are who we are, a cut above the rest

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Largas:
you are very drunk to post that Ironsi led that coup.

I stopped reading from that line onward.

Do you want me to post the members of that Coup or was it not Igbos that staged it or was Ironsi not the one made the Head of state after that Coup by his Igbo brothers and was he not Igbo?
The important thing isnot even who led the Coup, the important thing was "What happened in that Coup"...

And that is that "Northern Political and Military Elites were COMPLETELY ERASED ....by the Igbos

Dont you as an Igbo person find that abhorrent and unnecessary?
Do you actually think they (Northerners) would fold their hands and not revenge, in a very polarised Nigeria back then?
Why do Igbos, never for once condemn this "Elite Genocide" on the Northerners and only talk about their own "Genocide' which even happened in a war situation?

"Truth and Fairness" is very important in detoxifying one's spirit.

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sweetgala:
Igbo children are often thought to have a distrust of their Yoruba friends. A Yoruba parent would not often call their child aside say" be careful of that Igbo boy" however Igbo parents use false tales of the civil war to cloud their kids judgement

Distrust should not be spread into the minds of innocent children!

This is why we adults need to "come to terms" with our history.

Some of our Brothers still think the war is still ongoing and there is going to be a trophy next tomorrow?

we all need to take a deep breath and take a step backwards..... detach our feelings from the issue and examine it like outsiders.

For example, l ask myself: If l am a Ghananian, and somebody attacks Accra, what would l do?
Would l provide Bread for that person so he can have strength for the next day fight, after being exhausted killing my own people or would l throw his remaining bread into the pit so he can starve and not have strength to fight the next day?
That is the "mentality of war" and it is human nature.

We have all tried our best but the war was over almost 50years ago! We need to get over it and dont spread it into future generations

Its like a divorced husband and wife with children, they hate each other so much but the children between the means they cannot "completely sever the cord" between them cleanly as they both would like to do, hence, the best thing to do is to "manage it amicably" with the children's interest being uppermost in the minds of both parties!
But like most women, "some" of our Igbo brothers will use the children as a weapon of punishment to their spouse!

It may not sound good coming from a Yoruba person but l have not seen a single place where any Igbo has accepted their role in the whole fiasco? Is it that Igbos never did anything to precipitate the war or were they "saints" just sitting idle during the war?
Why the denial? Its not a shame to admit you are wrong, if you are wrong


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barcanista:
My Oga, we've dwelt so much on the event of 1967-70. We need to moved forward.

I concur with you brother! We need to move forward and we all need to speak to the "die-hards" in our different side of the divide.

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pazienza:
You opening article is full of conjectures, lies and half truths, that had all been exposed and thoroughly trashed out here on NL time and time again.

It is safe to say that Yorubas have reached a point of no return in the lies and false propaganda against Ndiigbo, if after thorough debunking, you still stick to your half baked lies and half truths.

I mean, what's the point of this thread? To start going back and front on issues already discussed in the past? That will be a waste of time.

In summary, your thread belongs to nowhere but trash bin. Such a waste of internet space.

If l were you, even if l could not "repeat" the truth here or point out he "lies", l would just provide a link to it so that others might read it and make an "informed and independent opinion" on it truthfulness.
You just want everyone to swallow your own version of events, right?

Okay, you called it "half-truths", that means there are some truths in it, right?
We are getting there!

Pride makes it difficult to accept certain facts of life, at times, but we are not here to trade blame.
Its a sort of South Africa's "truth and reconciliation" thread.

"closing your eyes in daylight and saying it is Night time, does not make it night time" though!

The truth will set you free, one day!

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Mckennedy:
until yorubas apologise for all igbo treasury they looted and at the end of the civil war,, don't forget igbos were giving £20 only no matter how much millions you may have banked with Nigerian bank provided you're an igbo..Secondly the idea of food blockade instigated by Awolowo is another food for thought,, yorubas should put pride away and apologise to igbos on all these issues , less I forget last time I checked Fashola deported igbos from lagos,Oba Akiolu treating to dump them in the lagoon,so where are your love??.until the sovereignty of the disposes people are addressed there will never be peace.

Some of you have a way of "starting a journey from the middle"!
Let us go to the beginning of the matter
Apology is never a problem with Yorubas because they dont have that haughty self-pride.

Is it Yorubas that looted the CBN in benin City when it was ransacked by Biafran Soldiers?
Or dont you know that is the "sole reason" for Changing the currency overnight since Biafra was using the currency they looted, to buy weapons from outside?
Your understanding of history is poor or deliberately mischievous.

On the starvation issue: Let me remind you there is a war going-on and in war, ANYTHING IS GAME!
Each side will do anything to win.
That is a fact of war.

That is why those who have witnessed a war, ....never pray for one.
All these "after war children" who bay for war are just making me laugh because when reality sets-in, my Brother, there are no winners.

Let me also add that at times, a very sympathetic leader who wants to win a war, uses what is known as the "sledge hammer" treatment to bring the war to an end.
That starvation policy, as bad as it may seem, also saved a lot of lives by facilitating the "surrender of Biafra" very quickly otherwise just imagine how many more millions would have died on both sides, if the war did not end quickly and decisively?

America used the same "sledge hammer" policy, in Hiroshima and Osaka, when it dropped the Atomic bomb which ended that war immediately and the Japanese had to surrender immediately!
The loss of lives are however regrettable as all life are important.
But dont forget, IT IN A WAR SITUATION, PEOPLE WILL DIE

As for the Twenty Pounds policy, it is a general knowledge that any nation that loses a war, has to pay or offset "the cost" for that war, for years to come, .....to the victors. It also ensure that the loser does not (immediately) have access to funds, to start another war, for some time!

Germany had to pay for many years, to Europe and America, for losing the first and second world wars.
Iraq is still paying to America, using its Oil, for the Gulf wars.
The Twenty Pounds was the "after war offset-payment" in the Nigerian scenario.
It is still part of the "war clean-up effort" the "loser" of any war goes through hence the admonition that no one should take going to war lightly because if you lose, the consequences are far-reaching.

Awolowo knew this and hence he chose not to involve his Yoruba people in a war in 1967, when he was sure (or not sure) of winning at that point. That is how leaders who love their people and are wise, should do. [color=#000099]You preserve your people at all cost.
If anyone should apologise, it should be he who took that decision to go to war by SECEDING AT THAT POINT IN TIME, without properly looking at the success rate and the attendant consequences.
The phrase, "He STOOPEd..... so as TO CONQUER LATER", readily comes to mind[/color]

I am laying it out "very bare" to you here because l want you to be very clear about it.
I am not saying these painful things just to gloat at your misfortune of losing the war, mind you.
But it is critical you understand "how and why" things are really the way they are.


As for Fashola "deporting" Igbos, l think that issue has been discussed and explained properly and you should not use it as an excuse to justify your ill-feelings.

Here, we want to assist each other to forget the past, by telling the bitter truth, as it "was and is", then reconcile thereafter, if possible.

It is only the TRUTH that can set us free.

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betty202020:
OK like u said we can not leave together, I am igboman , if u say we can not live together, let the two tribes maintain peace. our people said for one to wash his two hands clean, left hand must wash right hand and vise vasa. let peace reign. nature has placed us in southern region of the country, we should bury our differences and forge ahead. the war was between east and north though the roles west played cannot be forgotten easily but we will not be like this forever. now even if we go our separate ways, won't we have ambassadors to odua republic or what ever name our Western brothers choose to bear. won't we have bilateral agreements? let peace reign . Okey now we have interethnic marriages going on between us on daily basis is it not enough reason for us to leave in peace? let us maintain peace .

You have spoken well. May we have more of people like you amongst us.
Even if we go our separate ways, we would be what we call "neighbouring countries"! Will igbos still not come to Lagos to do business and vice-versa?
The East has the goods, the West has the market; Its that not mutually beneficial to both?

I dont see Nigeria and Rep. of Benin being peopled with humans who hate themselves else, it will be even worse than now that "Nigeria" still binds us together!