₦airaland Forum

KratosCorp:
Okay, it's an insult to tell you to shut up and mind your business, but it's not an insult for you to tell others how to run their lives? Alright you have not seen insults yet. Just keep poking your nose where it's not needed.

Poking what nose? An issue for discussion is posted on a public forum, and you have the nerve to ask people not to comment on it? By the way, just how old are you?

BTT:
Come, Uncle Loudmouth ex NEPA staff, someone gave clear instances of his wrong treatment by your former colleagues and the system you helped destroy, the least you can do is to shut your demented cavity and pretend you didn't see his issues than attack his persona.

As against him, you did not provide any fact to counter his position. You neither provided any leeway nor succor but came to war against the vociferations of a cheated man with stones and cudgels like a war roach that you tag yourself.

Please tell, was his comment too complex for your brain the size of a fly, or just humour me and agree you were just being plain ill-mannered? Of course, your comment truly betrays who the Neanderthal is.

I am done glorifying you with my time.

You dey mind am? People like him have nothing sensible to contribute to the discussion at hand, that is why they resort to insults. God bless you, jare.

KratosCorp:
Since nothing concerns you, just shut the bleep up and realize that it's not your time that's getting wasted. Plus be on notice that ALL options are getting explored in.order to get what we want. So, just keep your unsolicited wisdom and knowledge to yourself or use it to get what you and your family want instead of wasting them on issues that do not concern you and on which your advice or input is neither needed nor solicited.

Why am I not surprised by your response? When folks like you have nothing intelligent to say, they resort to insults. FYI, I can make any comment I like, on any topic. It was NOT written anywhere, that I had to take permission from you or your deluded members to do so. Now swerve, and get off my mentions for good!

excanny:
If the judge didn't throw out their suit, it means they did all necessary prerequisites.

Wait for the court's judgement, first.

KratosCorp:
Go to US and strike away the suit if you're angry.

Wetin concern me? Was I the one that filed the suit? Or am I the one trying to trap Buratai? Advise your people not to waste their time, and explore other options of getting what they want.

abbey621:
Kiobel v. Royal Dutch Petroleum[edit] ¬ Main article: Kiobel v. Royal Dutch Petroleum

The plaintiffs in Kiobel were citizens of Nigeria who claimed that Dutch, British, and Nigerian oil-exploration corporations aided and abetted the Nigerian government during the 1990s in committing violations of customary international law.[30] The plaintiffs claimed that Royal Dutch Shell compelled its Nigerian subsidiary, in cooperation with the Nigerian government, to brutally crush peaceful resistance to aggressive oil development in the Ogoni Niger River Delta.[31] Plaintiffs sought damages under the ATS. The defendants moved to dismiss based on a two-pronged argument. First, they argued that customary international law itself provides the rules by which to decide whether conduct violates the law of nations where non-state actors are alleged to have committed the wrong in question.

Second, they contended that no norm has ever existed between nations that imposes liability upon corporate actors. On September 29, 2006, the district court dismissed the plaintiffs' claims for aiding and abetting property destruction; forced exile; extrajudicial killing; and violation of the rights to life, liberty, security, and association. It reasoned that customary international law did not define those violations with sufficient particularity. The court denied the defendants' motion to dismiss with respect to the remaining claims of aiding and abetting arbitrary arrest and detention; crimes against humanity; and torture or cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment. The district court then certified its entire order for interlocutory appeal to the Second Circuit based on the serious nature of the questions at issue.

In a 2–1 decision issued on September 17, 2010, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held that corporations cannot be held liable for violations of customary international law, finding that: (1) under both U.S. Supreme Court and Second Circuit precedents over the previous 30 years that address ATS suits alleging violations of customary international law, the scope of liability is determined by customary international law itself; (2) under Supreme Court precedent, the ATS requires courts to apply norms of international law—and not domestic law—to the scope of defendants' liabilities. Such norms must be "specific, universal and obligatory"; and (3) under international law, "corporate liability is not a discernible—much less a universally recognized—norm of customary international law",[30][32] that the court could apply to the ATS, and that the plaintiffs' ATS claims should indeed be dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

Kiobel petitioned the Supreme Court for review of the Second Circuit's decision, and this was granted on October 17, 2011. Oral arguments were held on February 28, 2012,[33][34] The arguments received considerable attention in the legal community.[35][36] Unexpectedly, the Supreme Court announced on March 5, 2012, that it would hold additional argument on the case during the October 2012 term, and directed the parties to file new briefs on the question "Whether and under what circumstances the Alien Tort Statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1350, allows courts to recognize a cause of action for violations of the law of nations occurring within the territory of a sovereign other than the United States."[37] Reargument of the case occurred on October 1, 2012.

On April 17, 2013 the U.S. Supreme Court held that the ATS does not apply outside the United States.[38]

For those looking for precedence, in summary even the Supreme Court has a hard time indicting a democratic government official!

End of story!

KratosCorp:
Guess you were not in Nigeria when AI released its report?

Guess you were in the moon when the army decided to play the ostrich in denial?

Guess you are not in Nogeria to know that up till now no single soldier has been sanctioned for the crimes against humanity that was committed against IPOB despite the darnming evidences?

Guess you were in slumber when rogues were paid to protest and deman for the expulsion of AI?

Amnesty International is NOT a court that has jurisdiction over civil or criminal matters. Neither can it pass sentences on crimes or detain offenders.

You did NOT answer my question, neither did you provide any relevant info. The question still remains: Have those who filed a case against Buratai in the US under this Act tried to get relief in the local Nigerian courts? Have they proved beyond reasonable doubt that they have exhausted local remedies in the location of the crime, to the extent that such remedies are "adequate and available?" Simple question.

abbey621:
Are you retarded or did your mother drop you while you were a baby? Read what you posted, does it mention criminal prosecution? NO! Where the defendants diresctly harmed by Burutai or his men? NO! The ATCA "allows Americans and foreigners to file suit for violations of international law while the defendant is in the United States.Why not stop relying on wikipedia and do some research yourself, you are obviously not strong in the intelligence spectrum so I'll repeat myself, U.S district courts have no jurisdiction in this matter, the case is beyond their authority and the act that you claim does not hold water in a democratic government. I could understand if the 10 Biafrans were direct victims and have exhausted all local efforts for compensation but to go direct to a U.S district court is foolish especially when we have international bodies capable of much harsher judgments...Stop your foolishness and educate yourself!

Guy, don't bother yourself educating these people. They have refused to learn. Let us wait until the court carries out its judgement, and they would see that filing that case was just a needless waste of time. As for the international scrutiny that the case would attract, they should not forget that the Nigerian govt has deep pockets and adequate funds to hire the best American lobbyists, PR firms etc., to do damage control, unlike IPOB. The noise will die down after a short while...

excanny:
The Torture Victim Protection Act of 1991 (TVPA; Pub.L. 102–256 , H.R. 2092 , 106 Stat. 73 , enacted March 12, 1992) is a statute that allows for the filing of civil suits in the United States against individuals who, acting in an official capacity for any foreign nation, committed torture and/or extrajudicial killing . The statute requires a plaintiff to show exhaustion of local remedies in the location of the crime, to the extent that such remedies are "adequate and available." Plaintiffs may be U.S. citizens or non-U.S. citizens.

Although the Act was not passed until early 1992, it was introduced the previous year, and the official name of the Act is the "Torture Victim Protection Act of 1991."

Legal issues
In 1992, Sister Dianna Ortiz was the first to file a case under the act, in a civil action against former general and Defense Minister Héctor Gramajo of Guatemala , contending that, by his command authority, he was responsible for her abduction, rape, and torture by military forces in Guatemala in November 1989. A federal court in Massachusetts ruled in her favor, awarding her $5 million in damages in 1995.

Have those who filed a case against Buratai in the US under this Act tried to get relief in the local Nigerian courts? Have they proved beyond reasonable doubt that they have exhausted local remedies in the location of the crime, to the extent that such remedies are "adequate and available?"

abbey621:
I'll just show you 3 things wrong here:

1. Civil Case: What Biafrans want is not monetary compensation but criminal prosecution.

2. Extrajudicial killing - Biafrans would have to argue that the protesters were not armed and the use of force was not sanctioned by the present rule of law in Nigeria.

3. They now have to show that they have exhausted all local remedies which means they have tried the judicial system in Nigeria, there are written documentation of nonchalant response from the justice system and so on.

There's a reason why this particular act has never been applied to a democratic government, the burden of proof is exhausting!

Exactly!! May God continue to increase the wisdom He has placed in your life.

12Monkeys:
Don't be daft.

The court would have thrown the suit out immediately if it did not have jurisdiction

The ruling the Biafran American citizens are hoping to get is to establish that Buruntai is a war criminal and from there other sanctions can follow

FYI, the US Foreign office has war criminals listed as one of many criminals that are barred from visiting th US

The suit is to make a US Federal court to declare Buruntai as a war criminal first and foremost. The financial compensation is secondary and of no relevance to those who sued Buruntai

For someone to be declared a war criminal, a war must first have taken place. Which war did Buratai wage against the so-called Biafrans? Was he a combatant in the civil war that took place in 1967-1970?

NothingDoMe:
Yoruba always dragging seniority even with anonymous monikers. Hahahaha.

My point is, is it now official? Does going back grant it officially?. The igbo reps have asked for referendum.

Are you guys ready cooperate?

Simple question you start to drag age. Lmao.

Where, when and how did the Igbo reps ask for referendum? On the pages of newspapers?

NothingDoMe:
You are smarter than this.

If going home would grant biafra my people would have left even before the ultimatum.

We both know that this path will lead to war and not Biafra. Let the rep member from the north supporting this action also ask for a referendum.

The reps from the North cannot ask for a referendum on your behalf. They are not the ones that want to form a new republic. So stop asking others to do your dirty work for you.

When Scotland sought a referendum, it was a Scottish MP Nicola Ferguson Sturgeon who is the current First Minister of Scotland and the leader of the Scottish National Party, in office since 2014, that pushed the request for a referendum through the Parliament. It was not a British or a Welsh politician.

You chaps have over 15 senators from the SE. Ask them to move a motion requesting for a referendum on Biafra, in the red chamber.

chib4true:
Sometimes you guys talk insensibly.When on earth did north become the government of Nigeria?Has Biafra being attained and the igbos refused to leave north

Go back and read my post and the post of the person I responded to. He said the Igbo were waiting for IPOB's order by August or Sept. I asked him why they had to wait till then? If you have the answers, then kindly tell us, o!

furrr:
Chia what is wrong with this ipob people ....

The so called sophisticated people have clearly lost their sophistication.....

According to you hausas and yorubas are responsible for organizing and conducting referendum for you.......

You have 15 senators in the SE how many of them have made your case in the senate......

Your have members of the house of reps how many of them have made your case in the house.........

You have governors, lga chairmen, councillors, and high ranking FG workers how many of them have made your case...........

You want the northerners and yorubas to approve something you did not propose.........

How on earth can someone approve a proposal that has not yet been proposed.......

Or you want the reps and senate of the north and west to make proposal for you and approve it themselves.........

When scotland wanted a referendum it was the scottish mps(precisely Nichola sturgeon) that made the proposal in the british parliament not the british mps.......

Now the Scots want another referendum due to brexit and still it was the scottish mps that are making the case in the parliament.........

And I promise you if the role where reversed and the hausas or the yorubas where the one looking for a referendum it would have been over long ago

That's why everyone is saying the ipobs and their igbo sponsors, and supporters, are a bunch of clueless, jobless, illiterate, and honestly very stupid and foolish bunch of people..........

Eziokwu!! What a brilliant submission! I wish I could dash you 1,000 likes for this post. Bia, turn left at the next corner. Ask Mama Onoja to give you five chilled bottles of the best beverage in town. Use it to chill, relax and unwind. All the drinks are on me...

Ogalanyachieze:
yes and no. No if you have valid documents eg. C of O. Yes if that c of o gets revoked. As a simple rule states in the north and all over the sw do not give igbos c of o. Cos of fear of paying compensation to igbos. The big questios still remains why do we igbos foolishly keep building and putting landed properties outside our zones. Emeka built one room dem no give am ifeanyi built four rooms them no give am now chinedu come go build four deckings is that not foolishness igbo ewu nu - ojukw

Oga, every state in the Southwest gives CofO once you buy land, pay the necessary fees and your documents are verified and found to be correct. It does not matter if you are Gwari, Igala, Tiv, Junkun, Igbo, Idoma, Bura or Efik. Even small Ogun State down there was advising people to come and collect CofO.

Ogun State Govt Distributes 1,000 Certificates of Occupancy

In furtherance of its fulfilment to Home Owners in Ogun State to regularize their landed property at a reduced discount, the State Government has again distributed another round of 1,000 Certificates of Occupancy (Cs-of-O), and building plan approval to home owners in the State.

Distributing the Cs-of-O at the Arcade Ground in Oke- Mosan, the Governor, Senator Ibikunle Amosun, represented by the Attorney General and Commissioner for Justice of the State, Mrs. Abimbola Akeredolu, said the Governor is very proud to identify herself with the programme, adding that the Homeowners’ Charter programme has come to stay in the State.

She said the programme has made the issuance of Cs-of-O and building plan approval very easy, putting into consideration the previous cumbersome and bottlenecks of the processes being experienced before the inception of the administration of Senator Ibikunle Amosun.

The Commissioner call on other State to emulate the Ogun State Government at championing the cause of programme that would add value to the citizens of their State, saying that the 1,000 Cs-of-O and building plan approval distributed was in fulfilment of Senator Ibikunle Amosun’s administration during his re- election campaign bids across the State. https://securenigeria365./2015/04/22/ogun-state-govt-distribute-1000-certificates-of-occupancy/

noblemind:
get your facts right every Ipob family welcomes the quite notice and we celebrate it as a catalyst to our #freebiafra struggle.The governors forum does not speak for us .By August and Sept. Ipob will order biafrans to vacate northern Nigeria and we shall see how it goes .Just like we shut down Biafraland on 30th may.one more thing dont say over your dead body just go and commit suicide

Why wait till August or Sept.? Is there still something you need in Nigeria, that you are still waiting to get?

FakoMaybach1:
It is very funny to me when i hear that yorubas were in the forefront in the fight for democracy when i know the biggest party in west africa i.e the PDP was formed by an Igbo man.

Making noise and writing articles is not fighting, it is called air pollution. the true warriors formed a political party even under abacha and they pushed for democracy, abeg make una let us hear word

You are just a child. Grow up. In the days of MKO Abiola, there was nothing like PDP. The only two parties contesting the presidency were Social Democratic Party (SDP) and National Republican Convention (NRC). Go back and read up on the struggle for democracy in Nigeria. Google is your friend.

Chamboor:
Take it easy guy, what do u stand to gain from this hell bound lies?? PDP was formed in August,1998 by Dr. Alex Ekwueme, Chief Solomon Lar, Senator Francis Ellah, Alhaji Abubakar Rimi, Chief Bola Ige, Dr. Iyorcha Ayu, Prof. Jerry Gana, Alhaji Sule Lamido and Mallam Adamu Ciroma. The group which subsequently was referred to as G9 gave birth to the G18 which gave birth to G34, the group that finally transformed into the PDP.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/pdp-chairmen/

May you live long! May the wisdom God gave to you, never depart from your life. Can you see how some school kids spew crap on this forum? I don't blame them. It is those who dashed them a free keyboard and free internet, that are at fault.

ernieboy:
don't peddle lies, on the contrary it is on record that the Yoruba's were in the forefront of the struggle against the military junta, have you forgotten the days of nadeco and other activist movements which finally led to the emergence of the present Democratic era?

Your post make sense, die! Thanks for educating the clueless ones....

Probz:
I wouldn't know your financial situation but those other descriptions could be applied to you.

Oh, here comes Probz - the attention seeker once again. Are you still hanging to my coat tails? I guess if I do not acknowledge you in one day, then you would feel lost. Alright, you have been noticed. Now, swerve...

Konquest:
P
^^^^^^^
@laudate

Thanks for pointing out my error of
judgement to me.

It was the sarcasm in @dumaknesset's
post that caught my eyes and the
fact that he has "Knesset" in his
monicker so I thought he was one
of the pro-Israeli SE guys who like making
spurious comments online which
have been gleaned from propaganda
Websites.

Thanks again for your kind clarification
and I hope I don't get burned like
this next time.

No problem, bro'. I understand you perfectly. Do enjoy the rest of your day. Cheers!!

ExInferis:
Fukk you too, maggot

Thanks for telling us all that 'maggot' is your middle name....

EVILFOREST:
What else do we expect the GOVERNORS to say...?
I never expected anything different.

They are after their 2nd term BIDS and Senatorial bids..
Nonsense.
Igbos have been insulted to the MARROW.
Igbos Loved NIGERIA so much , that was why they made efforts to travel, live and establish in other areas with the hope that ONE NIGERIA exists...

Then when those who claim to be PURVEYORS of ONE NIGERIA come down to the far south and east.., they dare not even RENT ACCOMMODATION ..
They rather sleep like Bats everywhere, still fomenting troubles as herdsmen who do not pay operational permits and taxes...
Chasing students out of classrooms with namas.

They are fast at publishing ARTICLES that IGBOS will not produce IG. of police in the next 20years...
IGBOS won't be allowed to head the custom..
IGBOS won't be allowed to head the JUSTICE cadre.
IGBOS won't be allowed to head the Immigration...
IGBOS not qualified to lead NIGERIA ...
When GEJ was president, they made sure they made his RIGIME ungovernable, just as they promised.
They always say things any how and get away with such.

A POLICE OFFICER said he would kill 200 southerners if PMB should give up the ghost....
A Redeemed Christian Lady was brutally killed, yet nothing.
Another was beheaded, despite arrests, they were released and compensated.
Osibanjo is being threatened now and asked to withdraw his ambition of vying in 2019, should anything happens to PMB....Isn't he eligible...??
U claimed to be for everyone and for nobody, yet 2weeks into office you displayed what a kindergarten kid couldn't do, by addressing people with a mathematical blunder of the century (97% and 5%)

.....what sort of a country is this....?

Someone in the south bunkers Oil, they call him an illegal oil bunker..
Someone in Zamfara mines LEAD, they encourage him..
Are both not NATURAL RESOURCES..??
...even when they come down with lead poisoning, they are treated by the Federal Hausa Government and compensated.

U say ONE NIGERIA, yet u spread Arabic inscriptions on our legal tender(money) and Nigerian Army logo without considering the feelings of others..
U built ASO ROCK and National Assembly like MOSQUES.
Yet u open your mouth to say ONE NIGERIA....because you are well represented... abiii
What nonsense....??
What do they take people down here for..?


So if all these have been planned, what else do they need the IGBOS for.....?.
THIS shouldn't cause WAR nor any form of rancor...
They should even help the IGBOS to pack their properties and leave the stupid recalcitrant IGBOS there..

Biko, why this endless lamentation nah? Just do what those Northern groups have advised...chikena! Isn't that what your people have been asking for?

steric58:
man he is only saying d truth those guys are Rogues, we paid for prepaid meter since last year December uptill will are unable to get, unless Nigerian stand as one against oppressors from govt and her public sector and not by fighting one another, there is real suffering in the land

You dey mind am?

ExInferis:
Hey watch it you broke motherfukker.

I'm not anyone's paid agent.

If you can't afford electricity then stick to candles, you Neanderthal.

You didn't have to resort to some misplaced indignation you ignorant titch.

I do know what I'm talking about cos i worked in the industry, you bird-brained halfwit.

Now...go rub some twigs. Mr Fred Flintstone.

When creatures like you run out of logical thoughts, they resort to insults. All the adjectives you used in your response, are such a good description of your person. You have just labelled yourself as a 'Neanderthal, ignorant titch, bird-brained halfwit and broke motherfukker.' Why am I not surprised at your reaction? Typical!

ExInferis:
You're always free to contest your billing. If you don't, it's on you.

And your case is largely an exception. Households with sizable families consume power all day long.

nigerians dont want to manage energy, preferring to turn on all their ACs and heaters and other appliances all day. Truth is Nigerians simply want free energy. Or energy for which they pay on their own terms.

Oga, you are talking from a very uninformed position. On my street, many families are not home during the day, as the parents are out and children are in school. Most people do not get home before 7 p.m. And most evenings, all you hear are the hum of generators, due to power outage. So how much electricity is supplied to power the ACs and heaters that you so blithely refer to?

My neighbour uses 2 ACs, a gas cooker and 3 fans. The number of his electronic gadgets exceed mine. But he does not spend more than 10k recharging his pre-paid meter each month. Just like me, he is only home in the evenings, anyway. So why should I be billed 35k for electricity that I have not consumed?

This is not the first time, it has happened. I will share one quick example. My family house in Festac was billed 65k in one month, just a year ago despite the fact that the entire house was deserted and only one caretaker living in one room in the BQ, was on the premises.

The day I took the bill to Eko Disco to complain, the chap there told me point blank that a wrong factor was used in computing the bill, but there was nothing he could do...I should just pay the bill.

I wrote several letters to them, but nothing happened. Electricity supply was even disconnected from the house. After 3 months of going back and forth, they still insisted that the entire bill should be paid, but only gave us the grace to pay in installments. Where is the fairness in that?

If you are a paid agent of Eko Disco, please tell them that extortion by any other name is not the right way to do business. They were not appointed to rip us off!

NairalandHowTo:
Oya go use am.

Definitely! Why won't I use it? You just put 2 insults in the same sentence - 'hypocrite' and 'shut up.'

NairalandHowTo:
Yes u hypocritically delete the place. Use the report button or shut up.

Thank you for giving me the ammo to use against you.

OShepherd:
I can help fix it, where is Ur location? Call 08060286044

Thanks. I will ask someone to call you. I am not in town right now.

APCsupporter:
I'm laughing at this right now. oya report me for telling somebody shut up since you think it's an insult

Is that a dare?

NairalandHowTo:
Pls allow in am doing something now. I did not call u hypocrite. I said u hypocritically delete the place.

In other word you stylishly ignore the part.

Oh, you are changing your tune, now? When you impute an action to a person, then you are subtly using that action to describe that person.

Please answer this question: You stated that I "hypocritically" deleted a word, even after I had explained to you that the word was not in your post, but you had added it after I quoted you. Yet, you still had the temerity to claim I hypocritically deleted the word. What if I say that you are hypocritically accusing me of deleting a word that was not there initially, when I first quoted you, and that you "hypocritically" added the word, after I had quoted you?

coptic:
How come I am just seeing this?

Thank you, boss. Na God go bless you for schooling these guys for free.

You can see that they got the guy banned on purpose, and are now bragging about it like a trophy.

Small time now, that APCsupporter will claim you are Malton.

You dey mind am? Didn't you hear him saying 'shut up' is not an insult? I guess it is a compliment or a prayer, in his own view....