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Obaaderemi2:
I thought you said before that Iessous was Zeus's son. You definitely can't back it up that the name yeshua was derived from a Greek name originally. It's a Jewish name originally.

The article you read is just the writer's opinion.

Yes the article said Iesus was Zeus" son. He was a Christ in Greek theology I did not say Yeshua came from Greek. Yeshua is Joshua is Yisa is Isa. It is a Jewish name. Jesus is the one derived from Iesus and the name is Greek. Jesus and Yeshua are not the same names. One is Greek and the other Hebrew.

Nwaikpe:
Lawal Abdulhakeem,
Afain, I understand that your beliefs prohibits freedom in any way. But I will reiterate my words: if they like, let them sell heaven in a bottle. As far as they aren't FORCING anyone on it or robbing anyone, then they are legally carrying out their own business simply because they are asking for money in return for the wares they sell.

And that same Christianity that was "invented" permitted you to have your own freedom to be a follower of that man you call a prophet by reason of the freedom the Christian Europeans gave in the choice of belief when they conquered all of Africa.

Meaning that yoou worship the god yoou are worshipping simply because the invented Christianity permitted you to.
Now you see what freedom entails, right?

You are not free to make a career of libelling someone's parents for instance. They will sue you. The same should be true of God. There was spiritual decorum on Earth before religions were invented. Nobody was telling anybody to abandon their culture and be following a particular path. No Jihads or crusades. That is the natural state of humanity. What we have now is unnatural. We don't need the freedom to describe God as a mad man. That is not good freedom

Cmeo:
Academia that has been lying there whose only contributions are only just written papers upon papers and citations without anything tangible to show for it even in their immediate academia environment?

Man, forget it, we know them as far as Nigeria's academia are concerned. I can't talk of academia in other clines though.

Even the professionals you are talking about are still academia. They are educated. The only advantage of using the established academia is that that is already their job, they have salaries already and it will therefore cost you less

Obaaderemi2:
Appolo was Zeus's son. He had no son called Iessous.

I read an article on Quora a while back where someone knowledgeable on the matter discussed it. The name Iesous is one of the Greek pantheon and has nothing to do with Yisa or Joshua which is a typical Jewish name. Iesous was a Christ and Christ means the perfect son of God and this is Greek theology. Jesus has no resemblance to Yisa and they are definitely not the same name. Both existed in their different cultures. Jesus came from Iesous and the concept of Christ is not Hebrew but Greek theology. Some people try to say Christ means messiah but that is wrong. Messiah is a Jewish concept of political savior. It has nothing to do with theology. A Messiah is supposed to save Israel from colonizers or oppressors. They were expecting one to save them from Rome. Therefore Messiah is not the same as Christ. That is a misinterpretation. Christ has always existed in Greek theology while Messiah has always been a part of Jewish political discourse. Iesous is a Greek name that has always been Greek and it became Jesus and Yisa is a Jewish name that has always been Jewish

Cmeo:
Why must it be academia?? Is it forbidden for a company to have it own research and development unit?? Research is not for academia only, professionals also understands research most times better than academia.

Research is research. Using the academia that is already lying there is cheaper

Obaaderemi2:
It's a Jewish name. It's yeshua in the original Hebrew form. The Greek had their own way of pronouncing it and the English version is Jesus

Iesous the Christ is the only son of Zeus in Greek mythology and Jesus was derived from it. Yeshua is the same as Joshua or Isa but not the same as Jesus. They are very dissimilar

Obaaderemi2:
Well anybody including you can own their opinion but fortunately they do not own their facts. You write in the language of your slavemasters today. Does that mean you do not have your own language. If Jesus spoke Hebrew, that does not mean that was the only language he could speak. He conversed with a centurion who wasn't from his parts.

The question is: did Jesus ever exist in that area known as Israel today? Was there ever a time Romans had to persecute followers of his teachings? Did those teachings originate out of Europe? Were they started by Romans or Greek?
The fact is there are bodies of ancient works that mentioned Jesus. Some from Jews and others from non Jews. Pliny a roman administrator in Israel wrote to Rome to complain about the menace of the followers of Christ. Josephus a Jew wrote about Jesus too. These are people who were not connected in any way. So if Jesus existed and there is evidence of his teachings, who spread these messages outside middle East if not his disciples and followers of his teachings, like Paul? Even Jesus mythicists do not dispute that Paul existed.

Some of you know very little but are so blissful in their ignorance. Facts are stubborn at least

Jesus Christ is a Greek and not Jewish name. No Jewish parent ever named their child such a name. This shows that Those people that mentioned Jesus were relaying fables. A Jew can't be named Jesus Christ.

kayyyy44:
Wether you believe the figure or not, one thing is sure south Africa is ahead of Nigeria. A shame
Honestly Nigerians are too boastful this type of humbling is needed sometimes

Nigeria has more high net worth people than South Africa. The problem is that assets that are worth 20k in Nigeria are worth over 100k in South Africa. Nigeria has more private jets than any country in Africa for instance.

Cmeo:
Did you mean the academia that studied has and taking our local raw materials all these while and couldn't turn it to a product? To be honest with ourselves, majority of our academia are failure renamed.

Instead of spending money on frivolities as a company, take your problems to the academia by sponsoring research. It is a growth strategy

CoronaVirusPro:
Thanks for the add.

The financial literacy around the country is at an all time low that people tend not to know how things work.

Most times, I think it’s just hate, envy and jealousy. These people they talking about played big risk while working their way up. They lost billions due to failed businesses and keep persisting.

And one bold investment decision can double your net worth.

Fenrir:
Under your logic your 14th century ancestors made a tradition where a whole village of men can run a train on a woman, she has 10 kids outside marriage and your ancestors would have been proud of that? And said "that family is the pride of our tribe and they deserve worship"

Your ancestors had a specific ritual traditionally to restore a woman after divorce or pre marita lsex or sexual assault, you dont practice that tradition anymore or the white cloth tradition

You have a very funny definition of being proud of your culture and history when you hide most of it from the world

I know of the white cloth tradition. There is nothing like restoring a woman to virginity. It is just basic common sense that prostration is a part of Yoruba marriage rite since it is part of the culture

nedekid:
I understand you, but oga those guys do so much turn over 500m is nothing, maybe a few sales. People that may turn over 20,30,40, 50 forty foot container monthly. From motorcycles, furniture, tvs, kitchen equipment etc. Just biscuits, chocolate bars, nko. What of medicines which are high value products. Imagine a pack of 30 tablets of zeralto costing 50k, then imagine how much it will cost at to fill up a 40foot container. 500m is certainly not much money for a low level importer, when you talk of higher level ones just as how PO was those days, trading capital will be in excess of $5m easy.

They maybe collaborating with each other. Somebody with capital of five million dollars is a company employing many not a small trader. Also a trader definitely has his physical assets visible as real estate which he then uses to secure credit. How many people in the country have real estate worth even one million dollars?. Not to talk of five million

Fenrir:
You can tell a man like you an absolute truth like "there is no such thing as a circular square" and even with evidence you are the type that will argue "yes there is, its called a triangle"

You have formed your opinion. It is OK but there is nothing special in prostrating for any elder in Yoruba land especially an in law and it was not reserved for virgin brides though brides were expected to be virgins in the past

Nwaikpe:
So you somehow believe that policies should regulate religion which in itself is the freedom to belief and association?

The funny part is that people like y ou who advocate for people's right to be taken are ignorant of the fact that anyone who takes away your neighbours right, will surely come for you.

He, the Friday person, who goes for the Saturday people, will eventually go for the Sunday people.

Its a known fact.

Do you really think people should be collecting money and employing people to spread the gospel that Jesus died for your sins past present and future two thousand years ago?.
Do you think it is right to allow people to be saying in public that God is burning people in hell for unbelief and idolatry?.
Do you think anybody should be allowed to be saying any human being is something other human beings can never become like God, son of God or last prophet?.
These issues have been causing problems on Earth for centuries and they were not an issue before the invention of Christianity

Innovators too can look for investors by themselves. Tesla, Space X etc were private companies initially before Elon Musk became an investor and then they became public.

Pro force has FG shares in it of the defense industry company. I think it is the foremost Nigerian company using a patent to produce.

Then companies need to learn the culture of taking their problems to the academia. The academia can solve any problem

Then we don't really have monopolies in the country again

nedekid:
These people do not know what they are saying. In naija alone, just traders alone in Alaba market with $1m will be in hundreds if not 1000s, trade fair nko, oke arin, onitsha market, aluminum village, what of that place where they sell building materials on badagry expressway, traders in computer village, omo $1m aren't nothing to those guys. You then talk of the general public including government officials that use pen to steal millions of dollars. Nigerians with $1m will be at least 500k if not more.
Anyway no thanks to apc, buhari and oga at the top, that introduced wanton poverty on Nigerians, that met a country where $1m was 140m naira and now made it 1.6b just in a space of 10 years. Where others were dragging millions out of poverty, these kangaroos instead are celebrating immersing millions into poverty.
To say na 10 years ago shebi some guys for fit claim dollar millionaires based on raw cash for bank, today de de drag less than 100k.

Any average trader with 500 million naira wares is using bank guarantee. It s not easy to gather money like that. From your profits you will build house and then be using that house to secure credit and you don't have a monopoly and you have to also take care of your family. I don't think it is that common to see traders having ten houses unless you scale up your trading.

SarkinYarki:
Nigeria has one of the worst GDP per Capita in Africa so what are you saying , even Benin Republic has almost double our GDP per Capita ..

How much GDP per capita do you think a country needs?. If you have USD 5000 in Nigeria, it means a family of five should have an income of USD 25000 which is like 35 million naira or so. Do you need such to live well in Nigeria?. No. You can survive as a family on even ten million naira and be living OK. That is a per capita income of around 2000 dollars.

Eteka1:
Una funny o. Only 7,200 Nigerians have N1.6bn? Almost 1 million people have that money in Nigeria in case you don't know.

We don't have more than seventy million earning income. With one million dollars you can build 40 flats of three bedroom in Nigeria. Do we have one million people in the country who can do that?. In South Africa, one million dollars can build only ten such houses. They don't have more high net worth people but their country is more expensive or overpriced. The same assets in both countries have different values with the value in RSA several times higher and this applies to their stock exchange too

Church has almost as much revenue as the federal government. They collect taxes in form of tithe but are not accountable to anybody. With the revenue they can even attempt to topple the government.

It should be illegal to collect any form of taxes by force, subtle force or emotional manipulation unless you are the government

If the cost of living is high, per capita income will be high and the number of millionaires will be high but what they own don't really have the value in reality. Remember North Korea has a per capita income of USD 1500 and they eat well, dress well, live in quality houses, drive cars and use smart phones

Fenrir:
Yes fella, thats exactly what im saying
Its exactly what your ancestors said

Prostration was for the pride meeting a woman as a virgin and marrying her as a virgin, there is nothing traditional about yoruba people at all, just narcissistic

Prostration was only for being a womans first husband and her first man not her second anything at all

I am telling you as a Yoruba man that there can be a second wedding for a woman and the groom would still be expected to prostrate. There is no big deal in prostration to the Yoruba. As a young man the normal way to greet your in law is by prostrating

Fenrir:
Fella, fib about it all you want
The truth is the truth and your people do nothing but twist history and misrepresent it

If you cannot do the white cloth tradition you have no right expecting prostration or any part of your particular traditions

Virginity until marriage was common in the past only because most women married as teenagers and even today most teenagers are virgins. Are you now saying if a divorcee is being given out in marriage there will be no ceremony in the past and there will be no prostration?

Kobojunkie:
How many husbands had land? How many women had husbands who could afford to lease lands? Again, stop telling these fantabulous stories, which mainly serve as embellishment and nothing more.🙄🙄🙄

2. They could make palm oil from what? stones? Abeg, cut the bull, o'jare! People like you like to paint pictures of how poverty was not a problem back then, as if the rest of us as stewpid for you.🙄🙄🙄

Even today that Yoruba land has over seventy million people on their land, land is not a problem if you want to farm food crops like cassava and maize and you pay isakole from your produce in the past. You pay nothing up front. Land can only be a problem if you want cash crops. The society was better organized than today's society because they had nothing like unemployment. They were more productive than others because they made their own clothes, furniture, farm tools, jewels, weapons and etc unlike today when almost everything is imported. Nowhere on Earth was better than Yoruba land in the nineteenth century and before. The only way we are better than our ancestors today is because of the gadgets we have access to now which are mostly imported. There was negligible poverty if any so far the crops don't fail.

Kobojunkie:
. That many were farmers did not mean they owned land or had enough to lease the land.

2. And please, let's stop regurgitating what were mostly lies/propaganda. 🙄🙄🙄

Land cant be a problem for you if you want to farm. You can use your husband's land or any vacant land but you will pay isakole. You can make palm oil too as it was women's job after men do the harvesting. Trading was almost totally a women's affair and they controlled the markets. Many women got rich through trading. Madam Tinubu had over 2000 people in her household. Efunsetan Aniwura used to send ships to Brazil

Kobojunkie:
Stop telling lies! 🥱🥱🥱

If all your great grandmas were farmers then what you are saying is that all men were rich enough to own or lease farm land back in the days, something we all know was not true.

Most people had farms in the past. Yoruba women were traders and often the wealthiest people in the land were women. Efunsetan Aniwura of Ibadan comes to mind as well as Madam Tinubu of Lagos. Men were leaders, soldiers, crafts men and sometimes long distance traders etc but there were often more money women than men in Yoruba land. Only that it is unlikely you would be richer than the king sitting atop taxes and most monarchs were men

Fenrir:
And no, a father does not own his children, they are people not property

Daughters have been sexually assaulted by the fathers throughout all tribes histories and alot during covid lockdown because of that attitude

Its a father's responsibility to raise their children and once 21 years old they are free to do whatever they want regardless of what the father says

Nobody exists as an island. We are people because of other people. We belong to our communities and we build on our forebears. If they deposit in you they have a stake in you. This does not mean children are properties nor does it mean they should carry on as if they should consider only themselves when getting married

Fenrir:
Fella, I understand but what you don't understand that those men no right to disrespect people and demand it is done when it is offensive to most cultures in the world

I never its an outright culture but is narcissistic to manipulate and lie about it

Actually get off your backside and do a very very deep dive into the origins of the culture

1) was never about begging, it was never about respect, it was thanks for purity

2) it was never yoruba originally to return the bride price, they started doing that around the 1970s after the civil war

3) they absolutely no right to go around saying who is exempt and who isnt

4) the only they can automatically demand it and expect it is from their own people for their own people

5) they do not value humility and respect if the second a man says no to it they immediately start insulting him and calling him worthless and all the names under the sun and not automatically just drop it

6) respect earns respect its that simple, if an old yoruba only sees a husband for his daughter as worth marrying her by if he will get on his stomach or not then he should make sure his daughter only marries a yoruba man

7) the majority of them will actively try and destroy a relationship if a man is not willing to do it, how can a person get to the age to of 50+ and have the arrogance to judge people in such a petty manner

They are not humble or respectful men because of how they act as soon as the word no about is said, look at that topic about edo boy that agreed to do a full traditional wedding and no one actually told him what it in involved, and the second he learned about it he was sickened by it and respectfully said hes not doing it, how did that family treat him?

There are a few tribes that will not do it for yoruba if they can respect them saying no, then they can respect everyone saying no

It is not only thanks for purity but an acknowledgement that you are taking somebody away from the clan to go and be increasing your own population. No women no next generation. It is also the reason the bride price is shared to the extended family. It is to kind of compensate them for the loss. It is one of Earth's cultures and we should not be preaching against it. All cultures that are not harmful should be preserved. One thing that can also be done is to get people that will prostrate on contract. If a King is getting married for instance he will not prostrate by himself

shaybebaby:
True,in terms of the Nigerian constitution modelled after a system of government that is not African.

We do however, have customary laws (as established by our forefathers) and in some states, Sharia laws which are faith based.

Will there be friction having those 3 frameworks at play at the same time? Yes.

But just because you have lost touch with your customs ( which you are obviously nostalgically harkening back to with your YouTube links) does not mean you get to decide how, why and what relevance it is should be to us.

Not that I disagree with your sentiment as to its relevant in this day and age,however as much as you are allowed your opinions,it is NOT in your place to judge our affairs because you are NOT one of us nor have you earned the right.

What he does not understand is that Yoruba show excessive respect for age. All cultures respect age but Yoruba is excessive. Unless an old person shows self as not worthy the person will be respected in Yoruba land. I don't have a problem with that at all as age is not easy to come by. As a Yoruba you bow down or prostrate to greet random elders and relatives then how much more to someone as old as your father who is giving you a wife?. That is the issue. You may be exempted in some cases but most people just do it even when they are elderly. Remember in Yoruba land a wife is a huge gift because all her children belongs to the husband's family. I don't agree with Fenrir that it is a bad culture. If you don't agree with it you can be excused

One party system

Just like China has the CPC today, the Yoruba had a one party system before colonization. The one party that everybody belonged to was the Ogboni. Every free born belonged to the Ogboni society and the Oba or king was just a hard working figure head working for the Ogboni. The Oba was not accorded any respect during Ogboni meetings and the Ogboni can overrule the Oba on any matter. They can also sack the Oba without ceremony. No Oba will take any important decision without consulting the Ogboni. The highest council of the Ogboni in a Yoruba town or city will be the assembly of family or compound heads. In Oyo, the highest Ogboni council was the seven member Oyo mesi headed by the Bashorun. In Ijesa, it was the Agba Ijesa.
The system ran perfectly for thousands of years and it is surely more efficient than the system of opposition party democracy. Everybody will be very serious and in the same boat. It can however be upgraded by making it elective. Parties can contest elections into the council under the understanding that there must always be a government of national unity no matter the differences in ideology. This is in a way operational in Germany where parties often share power.
Ogboni as a word means expert and the gathering is a gathering of experts. Therefore trade unions with enough financial members should be able to field candidates just like any political party and they should also be able to remunerate the candidates. In the olden days the Ogboni were not paid by the state because they were the state or the owners of the state. They were generally well to do people. In the modern day, any council member that needs to be paid should be paid by the platform that sponsored him or her.

The statistics maybe right. A home that is not worth more than 15000 dollars in Nigeria is worth over 100k dollars in South Africa

Love800:
As at 2022, india has a 1.2billion lower income class out of their 1.4billion population!
What magic did they want to do in order to increase between 2022 and 2025!

India's per capita is 2,878. Very poor!

Countries with above 20,000 per capita are the ones recongnized as a better figure.

Tell me exactly what you need a per capita income of 20k dollars for.

Why Osun is highest is worth researching into. It is a mystery